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Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

Walmir Schultz
 

Excuse me for my insistence, but...

The fact that a screen reader announces something different than that is shown in the screen is a very serious problem.

If we encounter this problem in a spreadsheet, the urgency of a solution is unquestionable.




Em 03/01/2017 10:00, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io escreveu:

In a Calc spreadsheet I have some cells with numbers formatted to show only two or three decimal places.

But NVDA reads all digits before and after the decimal point.

When I copy the cell contents to the clipboard and use INSERT+C to do NVDA read the contents, the number is announced correctly, with the two or three decimal places.

I don't remember seeing this issue in LibreOffice 4 and NVDA 2015, but cannot tell wich program is causing the problem.



NVDA and Libreofice, a new problem: CRASH!!

Walmir Schultz
 

One of the reasons I decided to downgrade to LibreOffice 5.1.x was a new problem.

While using Calc 5.3.2.1, the program crashes randomly, showing a message saying that the files will be saved. Then a dialog invites to send a report and the file recovering is launched.

As far as I know, this only occurs in conjunction with NVDA.


Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

 

walmir,
i remember that only i tested calc 5.2 with nvda one time and i was
not comfortable with it.
you can subscribe in
www.bugs.libreoffice.org
and report it for developers to fix it.
also did you try libreoffice 5.3 calc with nvda to see the result?

On 4/19/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Excuse me, but LibreOffice is broken, at least when working with NVDA.

This is especially true with Calc.

At least in the case of decimal digits being announced in a different
form that they are shown on the screen, the fault apparently is of
LibreOffice 5.2.x


Em 18/04/2017 16:06, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Nasrin,

As a matter of policy I never use anything but the latest
versions of open source or free software such as LibreOffice, so I
really can't advise regarding what earlier versions are like. I
personally would not use an earlier version unless the latest has
somehow become broken from an accessibility standpoint, and that's not
particularly likely.
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Re: Wordpad ribbons

Kwork
 

For a WordPad replacement, there's always Jarte, still using clasic menus:
http://www.jarte.com/
Travis

----- Original Message -----
From: "mk360" <mk.seventhson@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Wordpad ribbons


Wooo, testing it, wordpad is totally unusable for me in Windows 7. I
can't open ribbons, I can't move between buttons in save dialog, I can't
locate the ribbon with object navigation (I can locate these using flat
navigation but is not activated) etc... horrible.


El 19/04/2017 a las 4:38, Brian's Mail list account escribió:
Hmm, for the record in 7 at least one can import the xp version of
Wordpad with its ordinary ribbons.
It also seems to get around the apparent random format choices in save
that the newer version seems to exhibit, at least for myself.
Thinks.. I wonder if this is in any way related to the some menues
dont work after running some software, issue I meantioned yesterday?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 4:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wordpad ribbons


I'm not sure which list it was on but the subject of ribbons came up
in Wordpad yesterday. two people reported that they couldn't get the
ribbons to come up. there was speculation as to the cause but now we
know. On another list, the topic came up again tonight. A list
member reports that his ribbons working properly in Windows 7. He
then installed the four important updates Microsoft said should be
installed and now they no longer work. So much for the wonders of
forced updates in Windows 10. this was in Windows 7, as I said and we
don't know if Windows 10 is affected. But all those who cannot defer
updates may have this problem. They can't be deferred in Windows 10
home.

Gene




Re: Read current line 3 times to copy its content to clipboard?

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Gerardo,
In fact, I had filed a ticket a very long while ago on the tracker,
but admittedly, I had been unable to provide any substantial usage
case for the same. Moreover, another user even reported that pressing
NVDA+T thrice accidentally was sufficient an annoyance because due to
that inadvertent extra NVDA+T press, the clipboard contents got
modified which can be an understandable irritation, thus voting
against NVDA+L thrice copying the current line. I would be happy to
look and provide you the ticket link if necessary, in case you wish to
substantiate the feature requests with usage cases and other
justification.
Thanks.

On 4/19/17, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:
I've always wondered with nvda Why not PUT IN A COMMAND OF 3-TIMES
nvda+L (Laptop keyboard layout) that reads current line, 3-times so that
what NVDA just read gets copied onto the Clipboard? Just like the logic
behind NVDA+t 3-times to copy the title's content to the clipboard, the
same logic could be applied to NVDA+l 3-times, right? it's just so
natural of nvda+T 3-times that I've thought why not implement this into
copy current line? I'm always looking for ways to better NVDA, thus the
suggestion.




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Re: free alternative to Qcast

Tea Turković
 

Didn't hear for this program before. I just downloaded the program, it looks great.
Thanks, Robert.


19.4.2017. u 15:52, Robert Kingett je napisao/la:

There is a free alternative to Qcast, and Qread, even, but I think this is a better podcatcher in some aspects. Anyway, the link is below.

http://www.webbie.org.uk/accessiblepodcatcher/





Re: Wordpad ribbons

 

On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 12:41 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Myself I'd prefer the old system of a nag message that says, windows has some updates. When can I install them?

I personally miss that aspect of old Windows Update as well.  I always had my systems set to download updates but to let me choose when to install them.  I don't care very much with regard to updates that don't require a restart, but for the ones the will it would be nice to have a really obvious warning that one is waiting, and you don't get that anymore.

My machine did a restart overnight to apply updates regarding which I had not noticed anything come up in the notification center.  There have been other times when, by chance, I have and could choose to either restart now or just let the Windows Update process do that for me during non-active hours.

What I find interesting is how readily some want to assign any malfunction on their computers to "a bad update."   It's not that these have never occurred, but when a true bad update goes out the effects are generally not isolated, but broad.   Updates can, and sometimes do, reveal a vulnerability that was idiosyncratic to one's own machine due to something that came (or didn't come) before rather than the update itself.   During the old Windows Update era I had a lot of calls over the years that were for problems that I solved by applying Windows Updates that the user had not applied, sometimes by intent and sometimes through malfunction of Windows Update that they hadn't noticed.  My own experience in doing technical support for a long time now strongly suggests to me that there were many more issues that were the direct result of refusing updates selectively and, over time, that creating a house of cards that finally came crashing down.
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            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Off-Central Topic: Firefox 53, Released Today, Drops Support for Windows XP and Vista

 

The subject pretty much says it all but since there seem to be a lot of Firefox users here as well as some Windows XP and Vista users, see article:  Firefox 53, Released Today, Drops Support for Windows XP and Vista
--
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     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Wordpad ribbons

mk360
 

Yes, it works for me in windows 10 too.


El 19/04/2017 a las 5:30, Gene escribió:
I've seen three reports now cumulatively on different lists that Windows 10 users aren't affected by the Wordpad problem.  One or two users have Windows 7 and Windows 10 computers and they have the problem on their Windows 7 machines after updating and not on their Windows 10 machines updating.  So Windows 10 users don't need to worry.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 2:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Wordpad ribbons

Hmm, for the record in 7 at least one can import the xp version of Wordpad
with its ordinary ribbons.
 It also seems to get around the apparent random format choices in save that
the newer version seems to exhibit, at least for myself.
 Thinks.. I wonder if this is in any way related to the some menues dont
work after running some software, issue I meantioned yesterday?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 4:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wordpad ribbons


I'm not sure which list it was on but the subject of ribbons came up in
Wordpad yesterday.  two people reported that they couldn't get the ribbons
to come up.  there was speculation as to the cause but now we know.  On
another list, the topic came up again tonight.  A list member reports that
his ribbons working properly in Windows 7.  He then installed the four
important updates Microsoft said should be installed and now they no longer
work.  So much for the wonders of forced updates in Windows 10.  this was in
Windows 7, as I said and we don't know if Windows 10 is affected.  But all
those who cannot defer updates may have this problem.  They can't be
deferred in Windows 10 home.

Gene





Re: Wordpad ribbons

mk360
 

Wooo, testing it, wordpad is totally unusable for me in Windows 7. I can't open ribbons, I can't move between buttons in save dialog, I can't locate the ribbon with object navigation (I can locate these using flat navigation but is not activated) etc... horrible.

El 19/04/2017 a las 4:38, Brian's Mail list account escribió:
Hmm, for the record in 7 at least one can import the xp version of Wordpad with its ordinary ribbons.
It also seems to get around the apparent random format choices in save that the newer version seems to exhibit, at least for myself.
Thinks.. I wonder if this is in any way related to the some menues dont work after running some software, issue I meantioned yesterday?
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 4:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Wordpad ribbons


I'm not sure which list it was on but the subject of ribbons came up in Wordpad yesterday. two people reported that they couldn't get the ribbons to come up. there was speculation as to the cause but now we know. On another list, the topic came up again tonight. A list member reports that his ribbons working properly in Windows 7. He then installed the four important updates Microsoft said should be installed and now they no longer work. So much for the wonders of forced updates in Windows 10. this was in Windows 7, as I said and we don't know if Windows 10 is affected. But all those who cannot defer updates may have this problem. They can't be deferred in Windows 10 home.

Gene



free alternative to Qcast

 

There is a free alternative to Qcast, and Qread, even, but I think this is a better podcatcher in some aspects. Anyway, the link is below.

http://www.webbie.org.uk/accessiblepodcatcher/


Re: Tek Talk featuring Joseph Lee - New NVDA Features

 

Just for the record, there is a free alternative to Qcast. It is the accessible podcatcher, found in the webbie suite of accessible programs. Link is below.

http://www.webbie.org.uk/accessiblepodcatcher/


Re: Wordpad ribbons

brian
 

    Now you see why we need to have updates announced when you check for updates so you can defer them until there is a fix for them and some on this list don't think so.  Some of us care what is being downloaded in toour computers.  I still want what little control I still have.  

Brian Sackrider 


On 4/18/2017 11:36 PM, Gene wrote:
I'm not sure which list it was on but the subject of ribbons came up in Wordpad yesterday.  two people reported that they couldn't get the ribbons to come up.  there was speculation as to the cause but now we know.  On another list, the topic came up again tonight.  A list member reports that his ribbons working properly in Windows 7.  He then installed the four important updates Microsoft said should be installed and now they no longer work.  So much for the wonders of forced updates in Windows 10.  this was in Windows 7, as I said and we don't know if Windows 10 is affected.  But all those who cannot defer updates may have this problem.  They can't be deferred in Windows 10 home.
 
Gene


Re: Tek Talk featuring Joseph Lee - New NVDA Features

john s
 

Tea, I tried that and the url wasn't recognized.


At 06:33 AM 4/19/2017, you wrote:
Hi, John,

try to open it in your browser. I opened this link in Chrome and it works for me.
If you would like to subscribe to Tek talk podcast:
- open qCast
- press the Alt key to enter the podcast menu
- press down arrow key untill you here "Add podcast" and then press enter.
Paste the URL Jessica gave for subscription and tab till Check Url.
After that, you'll see the name of the podcast and last ten available episodes.

Cheers,
Tea Turkovic

19.4.2017. u 12:15, john s je napisao/la:
I tried this link in QCast and the link wasn't recognized.

At 04:30 AM 4/19/2017, you wrote:
Check out Tek Talk featuring Joseph Lee - New NVDA Features from the Tek Talk Archives Podcast!
You can listen to it at http://accessibleworld.org/sites/default/files/tt-04-17-17-features-joseph-lee-latest-upgrades-nvda.mp3 with your media player,
or in QCast from
http://GetAccessibleApps.com/qcast
which will never lose your place and will let you speed up, slow down, fast forward, rewind and download this episode!

                 John

                 John


Read current line 3 times to copy its content to clipboard?

Gerardo Corripio
 

I've always wondered with nvda Why not PUT IN A COMMAND OF 3-TIMES nvda+L (Laptop keyboard layout) that reads current line, 3-times so that what NVDA just read gets copied onto the Clipboard? Just like the logic behind NVDA+t 3-times to copy the title's content to the clipboard, the same logic could be applied to NVDA+l 3-times, right? it's just so natural of nvda+T 3-times that I've thought why not implement this into copy current line? I'm always looking for ways to better NVDA, thus the suggestion.


Re: using find to locate text on a webpage with NVDA 17.1

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I tried to access afb.org using NVDA 17.1 and observed the following:

 

  • Opened afb.com site in Google chrome
  • * pressed letter f
  • * landed in ‘Search edit’ box, no reference to landmark or combo box
  • Pressed spacebar to enter focus mode and typed ‘access world’, (just as a test).
  • Pressed tab and landed on a ‘Go’ button, which I assume is what is pressed to start the search (Your pressing enter after typing your search criteria works just as well but if your instructing students, using the site as intended may be a more correct approach)
  • Landed on link entitled ‘Skip to Content’, and pressed enter to activate
  • Landed on heading entitled ‘Search Results for: access world’
  • Used down arrow to read through the search results.

 

A ‘one size fits all’ approach to browsing the web is not appropriate as sites have varying levels of accessibility built into them.  Afb.com has accessibility at the forefront of it’s design and as you would expect is very blind user friendly.  

 

HTH

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 19 April 2017 01:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using find to locate text on a webpage with NVDA 17.1

 

Do you mean using h to move through results?  NVDA has the same kind of input help that JAWS does.  NVDA and 1 on the main keyboard toggles it on and off.  While in the browser, you can check all the quick navigation keys by typing any key you want and seeing what it says.  the movement commands, h for heading, n for skip block, of links, b for button, etc. are almost all the same in JAWS and NVEDA.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:47 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] using find to locate text on a webpage with NVDA 17.1

 

Yes, the find was causing me problems. 

However, I do have one more question now you asked.

When I am using google, when moving to the search edit field I press the letter f as with other screenreading programs.

Then when reaching “search landmark combo box editable” I hit enter, a short click signaling the edit field is opened.

 

Then I enter text and hit enter.

Next I press escape and a short beep is heard.  Pressing H will move me through the search results as should happen.  Is that the recommended way with NVDA?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] using find to locate text on a webpage with NVDA 17.1

 

It's control NVDA key f.  If you are using the default desktop layout, insert is the only active NVDA key.  Do you know other commands students should know such as read current line and other screen review commands?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 6:03 PM

Subject: [nvda] using find to locate text on a webpage with NVDA 17.1

 

Greeting NVDA wizards,

I am trying to write directions for some students on how to search a webpage for text.

I am using AFB.org site. I wish them to locate “access” that will land the cursor on “Access World Registered.” This is a magazine published by AFB which I am sure all of you have heard of.

However, When trying control-f, typing in the search and hitting enter. The cursor does not move anywhere.

I had heard this was going to be fixed in Version 17.1. Does anyone have a solution or work around?

Thanks in advance.


Re: NVDA with LibreOffice annoyances - Silent is not golden

Walmir Schultz
 

This problem apparently arises when the CTRL+PAGEUP or CTRL+PAGEDOWN are used to navigate between the spreadsheets in a file.

I forgot to mention that NVDA is not totally mute in Calc. It announces the title bar.

It seems that the sheet change somehow affects NVDA.


Em 03/01/2017 09:25, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io escreveu:

I have a spreadsheet composed of many sheets.

While editing the data, sometimes NVDA stops announcing anything in Calc, but continues to work in the other open applications.
The only way to force NVDA to speak again within Calc is restarting it.
I mentioned the existence of various sheets because this behavior do not exist in a spreadsheet with only one sheet.
Note that I myself and other people already mentioned this issue in this group.



Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

Walmir Schultz
 

Excuse me, but LibreOffice is broken, at least when working with NVDA.

This is especially true with Calc.

At least in the case of decimal digits being announced in a different form that they are shown on the screen, the fault apparently is of LibreOffice 5.2.x


Em 18/04/2017 16:06, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Nasrin,

          As a matter of policy I never use anything but the latest versions of open source or free software such as LibreOffice, so I really can't advise regarding what earlier versions are like.   I personally would not use an earlier version unless the latest has somehow become broken from an accessibility standpoint, and that's not particularly likely.
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            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: Tek Talk featuring Joseph Lee - New NVDA Features

Tea Turković
 

Hi, John,

try to open it in your browser. I opened this link in Chrome and it works for me.
If you would like to subscribe to Tek talk podcast:
- open qCast
- press the Alt key to enter the podcast menu
- press down arrow key untill you here "Add podcast" and then press enter.
Paste the URL Jessica gave for subscription and tab till Check Url.
After that, you'll see the name of the podcast and last ten available episodes.

Cheers,
Tea Turkovic

19.4.2017. u 12:15, john s je napisao/la:

I tried this link in QCast and the link wasn't recognized.

At 04:30 AM 4/19/2017, you wrote:
Check out Tek Talk featuring Joseph Lee - New NVDA Features from the Tek Talk Archives Podcast!
You can listen to it at http://accessibleworld.org/sites/default/files/tt-04-17-17-features-joseph-lee-latest-upgrades-nvda.mp3 with your media player,
or in QCast from
http://GetAccessibleApps.com/qcast
which will never lose your place and will let you speed up, slow down, fast forward, rewind and download this episode!

                 John



Re: Tek Talk featuring Joseph Lee - New NVDA Features

john s
 

I tried this link in QCast and the link wasn't recognized.


At 04:30 AM 4/19/2017, you wrote:
Check out Tek Talk featuring Joseph Lee - New NVDA Features from the Tek Talk Archives Podcast!
You can listen to it at http://accessibleworld.org/sites/default/files/tt-04-17-17-features-joseph-lee-latest-upgrades-nvda.mp3 with your media player,
or in QCast from
http://GetAccessibleApps.com/qcast
which will never lose your place and will let you speed up, slow down, fast forward, rewind and download this episode!

                 John