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possible bug with Numpad Nav Mode add-on

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi all,
I think I've found a bug, but not sure if it's with NVDA itself or
with the Numpad Nav Mode add-on. The easiest way to find this is by
doing the following:
1. On a webpage, use the letter C to navigate by combo box.
2. With Numpad Nav Mode running, press alt+numpad 2. Instead of
opening the combo box as expected, NVDA says "symbol263B." If you use
the normal arrow keys, the operation works as expected.
Bob


Re: Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

benmoxey@...
 

Hahaha Good point! Sorry, I meant, someone else!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 10:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Ben,

 

In fact, I am running Office 2016 so you have your answer!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

I forgot to mention that I am running Office 365, rather than 2016. I don’t think this will make a difference, but it would be interesting to hear from someone running 2016 to clarify if navigating by sentence is working for them using Alt + up or Down arrow.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 8:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Ben,

 

Thanks for taking the trouble to reply.

 

I have downloaded the add-on today called “SentenceNav” and another called “TextNav”. These do the job. So, in response to your suggestion, I restarted NVDA with add-ons disabled. This eliminated the functions provided by those two apps. I could now try out your suggestio. In Outlook, I found that you were right. When I switched to the active cursor with NVDA + space, the sentence commands did work. However, they failed to work in NS, Word. Any ideas?

 

I restarted the two add-ons and now I have the sentence reading controls in both Word and Outlook!

 

I would like to hear from the developers why this strange behaviour is happening.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

The next and previous sentence commands should be working as normal in Word. However, note that they will not work if you are using Browse mode in a Word document to navigate by headings etc. Ensure you are in Focus mode by using the toggle command, NVDA + Space, and give them another try.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 2:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I just happen to have a word document open as I’m reading this, running office 2016 as well, and I get the same result. alt plus up or down arrow does not move by sentence.


On Jan 3, 2021, at 3:35 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:



Ben,

 

In fact, I am running Office 2016 so you have your answer!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

I forgot to mention that I am running Office 365, rather than 2016. I don’t think this will make a difference, but it would be interesting to hear from someone running 2016 to clarify if navigating by sentence is working for them using Alt + up or Down arrow.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 8:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Ben,

 

Thanks for taking the trouble to reply.

 

I have downloaded the add-on today called “SentenceNav” and another called “TextNav”. These do the job. So, in response to your suggestion, I restarted NVDA with add-ons disabled. This eliminated the functions provided by those two apps. I could now try out your suggestio. In Outlook, I found that you were right. When I switched to the active cursor with NVDA + space, the sentence commands did work. However, they failed to work in NS, Word. Any ideas?

 

I restarted the two add-ons and now I have the sentence reading controls in both Word and Outlook!

 

I would like to hear from the developers why this strange behaviour is happening.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

The next and previous sentence commands should be working as normal in Word. However, note that they will not work if you are using Browse mode in a Word document to navigate by headings etc. Ensure you are in Focus mode by using the toggle command, NVDA + Space, and give them another try.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 2:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Ben,

 

In fact, I am running Office 2016 so you have your answer!

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 10:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

I forgot to mention that I am running Office 365, rather than 2016. I don’t think this will make a difference, but it would be interesting to hear from someone running 2016 to clarify if navigating by sentence is working for them using Alt + up or Down arrow.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 8:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Ben,

 

Thanks for taking the trouble to reply.

 

I have downloaded the add-on today called “SentenceNav” and another called “TextNav”. These do the job. So, in response to your suggestion, I restarted NVDA with add-ons disabled. This eliminated the functions provided by those two apps. I could now try out your suggestio. In Outlook, I found that you were right. When I switched to the active cursor with NVDA + space, the sentence commands did work. However, they failed to work in NS, Word. Any ideas?

 

I restarted the two add-ons and now I have the sentence reading controls in both Word and Outlook!

 

I would like to hear from the developers why this strange behaviour is happening.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

The next and previous sentence commands should be working as normal in Word. However, note that they will not work if you are using Browse mode in a Word document to navigate by headings etc. Ensure you are in Focus mode by using the toggle command, NVDA + Space, and give them another try.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 2:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Tony,

 

I’m so grateful for your two add-ons! They solve the problem to which there seems to be no answer.

 

I am now happily navigating by sentence as I wanted to. I’ll try the movement by paragraph later with the TextNav add-on.

 

Good work!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

I am not sure why built-in navigation is not working for you, but I just wanted to point out that I have an add-on SentenceNav, that recently I made to work with MS Word. It uses the same keystrokes Alt+UP/Down to navigate between sentences. You need to enable MS Word support in add-on settings.

Download:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon

 

On 1/3/2021 7:43 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Cearbhall

 

I forgot to mention that I am running Office 365, rather than 2016. I don’t think this will make a difference, but it would be interesting to hear from someone running 2016 to clarify if navigating by sentence is working for them using Alt + up or Down arrow.

 

Cheers

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 8:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Ben,

 

Thanks for taking the trouble to reply.

 

I have downloaded the add-on today called “SentenceNav” and another called “TextNav”. These do the job. So, in response to your suggestion, I restarted NVDA with add-ons disabled. This eliminated the functions provided by those two apps. I could now try out your suggestio. In Outlook, I found that you were right. When I switched to the active cursor with NVDA + space, the sentence commands did work. However, they failed to work in NS, Word. Any ideas?

 

I restarted the two add-ons and now I have the sentence reading controls in both Word and Outlook!

 

I would like to hear from the developers why this strange behaviour is happening.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

The next and previous sentence commands should be working as normal in Word. However, note that they will not work if you are using Browse mode in a Word document to navigate by headings etc. Ensure you are in Focus mode by using the toggle command, NVDA + Space, and give them another try.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 2:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Ben,

 

Thanks for taking the trouble to reply.

 

I have downloaded the add-on today called “SentenceNav” and another called “TextNav”. These do the job. So, in response to your suggestion, I restarted NVDA with add-ons disabled. This eliminated the functions provided by those two apps. I could now try out your suggestio. In Outlook, I found that you were right. When I switched to the active cursor with NVDA + space, the sentence commands did work. However, they failed to work in NS, Word. Any ideas?

 

I restarted the two add-ons and now I have the sentence reading controls in both Word and Outlook!

 

I would like to hear from the developers why this strange behaviour is happening.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of benmoxey@...
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 9:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi Cearbhall

 

The next and previous sentence commands should be working as normal in Word. However, note that they will not work if you are using Browse mode in a Word document to navigate by headings etc. Ensure you are in Focus mode by using the toggle command, NVDA + Space, and give them another try.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 2:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

Tony Malykh
 

I am not sure why built-in navigation is not working for you, but I just wanted to point out that I have an add-on SentenceNav, that recently I made to work with MS Word. It uses the same keystrokes Alt+UP/Down to navigate between sentences. You need to enable MS Word support in add-on settings.

Download:

https://github.com/mltony/nvda-sentence-nav/releases/download/v2.9/SentenceNav-2.9.nvda-addon


On 1/3/2021 7:43 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

benmoxey@...
 

Hi Cearbhall

 

The next and previous sentence commands should be working as normal in Word. However, note that they will not work if you are using Browse mode in a Word document to navigate by headings etc. Ensure you are in Focus mode by using the toggle command, NVDA + Space, and give them another try.

 

I hope this is helpful.

 

All the best.

 

Ben

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Monday, 4 January 2021 2:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

 

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 


Re: SPSS and NVDA

 

On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 06:57 AM, Lukasz Golonka wrote:
I can't comment on SPSS as such, but recent versions of NVDA not only bundles JAB but also should activate it by default.
-
I believe you are absolutely right because of my having followed your workaround instructions to get temporary access to Crucial Storage Executive and how same "disappeared" after running NVDA (not reinstalling it, just firing it up) once after having deleted the file:

.accessibility.properties

in the %userprofile% folder/directory.  Running NVDA put it right back.

That being said, there is a word of caution, even though it is back, and this clearly indicates that JAB is active, the checkbox in Ease of Access center is NOT checked for Enable Java Access Bridge.  It wasn't for me even at the outset of all of this.  So it appears that things like NVDA can install and activate Java Access Bridge without the Ease of Access Center knowing that they've done so, or at least without directly indicating that they've done so.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Say all in word working in a strange way

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Chris,

 

Jean and you have made very helpful points, thanks.

 

I can confirm that the shift key is very effective in pausing the Say all flow. It resumes again perfectly without losing position on a second press of the shift key.

 

The control key does, as you say, terminate the Say All flow completely. It leaves the cursor at the first word of the current line. This means that a repeated press of the NVDA + down-arrow restarts Say all from the beginning of the line on which NVDA stopped speaking and so repeats only a few words that were already heard but not the whole spiel again.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 3:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way

 

Hi

Gene is correct, you use the shift key as a pause toggle when using the Say All command.  Pressing the control key stops the Say All command and it appears to leave the cursor at the point that Say All has red to.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Gene
Sent: 03 January 2021 14:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way

 

What happens if you stop reading with control?  While its slightly more

inconvenient to issue the read to end command again, that my work around the

problem until you may find a solution.  Also, isn't pause done with the

shift and not the arrow keys?  I haven't used the [pause or skim reading

feature but I believe you are using the incorrect command just to pause

reading.  I think its shift to pause, then shift to resume.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

-----Original Message-----

From: Declan Meenagh

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:07 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way

 

 

 

Hello everyone.

 

Has anyone got the issue where after you hit say all (insert + down arrow)

and want to pause you hit down or right arrow and instead of moving cursor

to the bottom it moves it to the point where you started say all. This is

happening in large documents that are hard to navigate. Is there a way to

move the cursor to the end of the text?

 

I’m on windows 10 and office 365.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Say all in word working in a strange way

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Gene is correct, you use the shift key as a pause toggle when using the Say All command.  Pressing the control key stops the Say All command and it appears to leave the cursor at the point that Say All has red to.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: Gene
Sent: 03 January 2021 14:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way

 

What happens if you stop reading with control?  While its slightly more

inconvenient to issue the read to end command again, that my work around the

problem until you may find a solution.  Also, isn't pause done with the

shift and not the arrow keys?  I haven't used the [pause or skim reading

feature but I believe you are using the incorrect command just to pause

reading.  I think its shift to pause, then shift to resume.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

-----Original Message-----

From: Declan Meenagh

Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:07 AM

To: nvda@groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way

 

 

 

Hello everyone.

 

Has anyone got the issue where after you hit say all (insert + down arrow)

and want to pause you hit down or right arrow and instead of moving cursor

to the bottom it moves it to the point where you started say all. This is

happening in large documents that are hard to navigate. Is there a way to

move the cursor to the end of the text?

 

I’m on windows 10 and office 365.

 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Say next and previous sentence not working in Word

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi, all,

I am using Windows 10, NVDA 2020.3 and Word 2016.

 

When I try to read the next or previous sentence in a Word document, using alt + down-Arrow, or alt + up-arrow, I get no response. Indeed when I turn on keyboard help, these key combinations get no echo. It appears that this function has been removed from NVDA! I opened the NVDA User Guide and it still says that alt-Down-arrow is to be used to say next sentence and alt-up-arrow for previous sentence.

 

Can anyone explain what is happening? Is the user guide out of step?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Say all in word working in a strange way

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Declan,

 

I think you may be working in NVDA, is that right?

 

I recently had a  similar issue and I realised that if I stop “Say All” with down-arrow or any other key, the cursor reverts to its last known position, which was usually the start of “Say All”. The only way to get close to retaining the stopped position was to press the left or right control key once. This stops NVDA speaking without interfering with the cursor. I noticed that I would invariably find the active point at the beginning of the current line if not at the actual last word spoken.  This seemingly inaccurate behaviour has to do with the speed of the cursor navigator and the relatively slower response of the screen reader.

 

Perhaps you could raise this tomorrow at the FB-Exchange meeting?

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Declan Meenagh
Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 1:07 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way

 

Hello everyone.

Has anyone got the issue where after you hit say all (insert + down arrow) and want to pause you hit down or right arrow and instead of moving cursor to the bottom it moves it to the point where you started say all. This is happening in large documents that are hard to navigate. Is there a way to move the cursor to the end of the text?

I’m on windows 10 and office 365.

Thanks.


Re: Say all in word working in a strange way

Gene
 

What happens if you stop reading with control? While its slightly more inconvenient to issue the read to end command again, that my work around the problem until you may find a solution. Also, isn't pause done with the shift and not the arrow keys? I haven't used the [pause or skim reading feature but I believe you are using the incorrect command just to pause reading. I think its shift to pause, then shift to resume.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
-----Original Message-----
From: Declan Meenagh
Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2021 7:07 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Say all in word working in a strange way



Hello everyone.

Has anyone got the issue where after you hit say all (insert + down arrow) and want to pause you hit down or right arrow and instead of moving cursor to the bottom it moves it to the point where you started say all. This is happening in large documents that are hard to navigate. Is there a way to move the cursor to the end of the text?

I’m on windows 10 and office 365.

Thanks.


Say all in word working in a strange way

Declan Meenagh
 

Hello everyone.

Has anyone got the issue where after you hit say all (insert + down arrow) and want to pause you hit down or right arrow and instead of moving cursor to the bottom it moves it to the point where you started say all. This is happening in large documents that are hard to navigate. Is there a way to move the cursor to the end of the text?

I’m on windows 10 and office 365.

Thanks.


Re: SPSS and NVDA

Lukasz Golonka
 

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 14:02:56 +0800
"William" <xsuper.sillyx@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, I wanna clarify.
What Joseph meant that, JAB is packaged with NVDA.
But we still have to enable JAB through control center to make SPSS accessible ?
I can't comment on SPSS as such, but recent versions of NVDA not only
bundles JAB but also should activate it by default.

--
Regards
Lukasz


Re: Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Guys, was there anything unclear in my earlier response? Expand the header fields in Outlook once and the addon reads all the fields as required. Such simpel...

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 20:25
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

I don't know how the add-on works and I don't use Outlook. But what happens if you open a message and start tabbing backwards? See if you start moving through fields such as subject, and other fields including those you want to see.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 12:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Other screen readers have this ability for years. NVDA should also have this ability.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ralf Kefferpuetz
Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2021 7:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Hello,
There is nothing we can do from an addon perspective, you need to expand the outlook message header. Pls see this link:
https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/msoffice_outlook-mso_win10-mso_2016/show-to-and-cc-separately-in-open-message-in/7717805d-141a-4997-a440-0b1579752259?auth=1

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ramesh Patil
Sent: Samstag, 2. Januar 2021 09:41
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Outlook 2016 NVDA not announcing To & CC fields separately

Sir,

I am using NVDA and outlook 2016 with addon outlook extended. But by keystroke ALT + 3 NVDA will announce both To and CC fields of mail together.
we can not able to understand which mail id is of CC and which of To field.
Addon developer please guide or any other way to listen CC and To fields separately

Ramesh Patil


Re: SPSS and NVDA

mohammad suliman
 

Hi William,

Regarding the mailing list, yes, exactly, this is the one you linked to in a previous email.
Regarding the Java Access Bridge, sorry for my somewhat outdated comment, I forgot that recent versions of NVDA comes with I think a dll for the Java Access Bridge.
I don't want to provide inaccurate information, because it has been a while since I have worked with JAB, but I think the right thing to do, is to enable the JAB from the control panel as Lukasz has stated, and this should work as expected I guess. There were previously some problems after enabling the JAB this way, but I think NVDA knows now how to deal with this by bundling the necessary dll.
Let us know if this works for you!

Good luck!
Mohammad

On Sun, 3 Jan 2021 at 08:03, William <xsuper.sillyx@...> wrote:

Sorry, I wanna clarify.

What Joseph meant that, JAB is packaged with NVDA.

But we still have to enable JAB through control center to make SPSS accessible ?


Brian Vogel 於 3/1/2021 9:59 寫道:
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 08:57 PM, William wrote:
According to Joseph, latest NVDA do have java access bridge packaged already, so I dont have to install java access bridge myself right?
-
That would be true, as I never installed it manually as a standalone thing.  But it was not activated on my system by default.  Lukasz gave the steps for doing that in Ease of Access previously.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: SPSS and NVDA

William
 

Sorry, I wanna clarify.

What Joseph meant that, JAB is packaged with NVDA.

But we still have to enable JAB through control center to make SPSS accessible ?


Brian Vogel 於 3/1/2021 9:59 寫道:

On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 08:57 PM, William wrote:
According to Joseph, latest NVDA do have java access bridge packaged already, so I dont have to install java access bridge myself right?
-
That would be true, as I never installed it manually as a standalone thing.  But it was not activated on my system by default.  Lukasz gave the steps for doing that in Ease of Access previously.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 

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