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Re: Looking for the eloquence add-on

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As far as I'm aware, its a complete package that you pay for including the voice. There are two sources, one at present being better than the other. Unfortunately, in case you do not know this. Although you may find eloquence on many products you have, most are restricted for use . IE they only work inside that program and have no facilities for use outside. Any hacks around this are outside of the remit here, as we have to stay legal. Someone will be along in a moment to point you at the web sites where you can buy the official product, I'm sure.
I did notice that on some web sites you can still get a cut down Sapi 4 version of eloquence but I'm not sure if its still legal, or whether it can offer the range of voices and controls in the main paid for packages.
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Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2017 2:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Looking for the eloquence add-on


Does anyone know where I can download the eloquence

Add-on? Thank you very very much in advance.



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Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

 

hello.
you should go to the options in tools menu.
in load save open general and uncheck Warn when not saving in ODF or
default format
then find always save as and change it in to Microsoft Word
97/2000/XP/2003 in the combo box.

openoffice does not save as docx and if you want to change your docx files,
you should save them in another formats except docx!
but libreoffice does not have this problem and supports even docx for
saving files.
hope that help.
God bless you.

On 4/17/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
Just for reference, I installed open office version 4.3 today, and it
works just fine with NVDA.

At least it did for opening and editing a word file. Saving became
problematic, as it wanted me to save in odt format instead of doc, since
it said it would loose formatting information if I saved in the original
doc format, which makes no sense to me, since it was opened in the
original doc format, how could it loose information it already has?

<shrug>

But, as for functionality, I had no issues.


On 4/17/2017 7:21 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
For many months I resisted to do this.

But the only solution to this annoying behavior of LibreOffice/NVDA
was downgrading to LibreOffice 5.1.

I don't have the patience, the knowledge or the time to look for what
changed from versions 5.1 to 5.2 of LibreOffice. but sure here lies
the cause of the problem I described months ago.

Even if I don't like to use old versions of any software, it appears
that the problems of using LibreOffice with NVDA ARE FAR FROM BEING
SOLVED.

I feell very sad because both programs are excellent and the problems
are just a few (but very annoying) and could very probably be solved
easily if both developers were willing to communicate with each other
and search the causes.



Em 03/01/2017 10:00, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io escreveu:
In a Calc spreadsheet I have some cells with numbers formatted to
show only two or three decimal places.

But NVDA reads all digits before and after the decimal point.

When I copy the cell contents to the clipboard and use INSERT+C to do
NVDA read the contents, the number is announced correctly, with the
two or three decimal places.

I don't remember seeing this issue in LibreOffice 4 and NVDA 2015,
but cannot tell wich program is causing the problem.









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nvda april 17th tech talk recording?

 

Hello I missed the tech talk recording of nvda and the changes can I get a link to the recording?

thanks

Hank


Re: Looking for the eloquence add-on

 

what is the add on that has eloquence and another synth on it?

On 4/17/2017 6:50 PM, Gene wrote:
The Eloquence add on is illegal, assuming you are asking about the free one and it can't be discussed on the list. 
 
There are two legal ways to get Eloquence, one a SAPI 5 voice and the other is an add on you pay for that contains Eloquence and another synthesizer.  The add on has many artifacts in the eloquence voice and you will likely not want it.  The SAPI 5 Eloquence is good and you may be satisfied with it.  Both are available as demos so you can evaluate them both before deciding if you want to purchase them.
 
It was a good while ago since I looked into these ways of getting Eloquence and I don't recall much about how you get the demos.  Others on the list certainly can tell you.
Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Looking for the eloquence add-on

Does anyone know where I can download the eloquence

Add-on?  Thank you very very  much in advance.

 

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Re: Looking for the eloquence add-on

Gene
 

The Eloquence add on is illegal, assuming you are asking about the free one and it can't be discussed on the list. 
 
There are two legal ways to get Eloquence, one a SAPI 5 voice and the other is an add on you pay for that contains Eloquence and another synthesizer.  The add on has many artifacts in the eloquence voice and you will likely not want it.  The SAPI 5 Eloquence is good and you may be satisfied with it.  Both are available as demos so you can evaluate them both before deciding if you want to purchase them.
 
It was a good while ago since I looked into these ways of getting Eloquence and I don't recall much about how you get the demos.  Others on the list certainly can tell you.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Looking for the eloquence add-on

Does anyone know where I can download the eloquence

Add-on?  Thank you very very  much in advance.

 

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Re: Email Client

Gene
 

If f7 doesn't work, it's very unlikely the ribbon method will work but it's worth trying.  The other suggestion I made is something you may have already done, according to one of your previous messages today.  It is a setting you get to in preferences and you evidently already checked that setting.  Uninstalling and reinstalling may solve the problem or there may be a third party spell checker you can use.  Either way, you can probably solve or work around the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Chin
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

Sorry, I was not clear. What I meant was that I tried to use spellcheck  by bringing it up through the ribbon instead of pressing F7,but couldn’t get it to work when I pressed enter.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
I'm not sure what you mean by check the spell tab.  You can't check the spell tab, it isn't a check item.  It's a tab that announces that you are in the spell part of the dialog.  If you mean check the items in the spell tab, meaning tab around and look at how they are set, that may help, but I doubt it.  But there's no harm in trying.
 
Gene

----- Original Messsage ------
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
This may sound crazy but did you go in to the options and mail options and check the spell tab?
 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM.  If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
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            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

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Looking for the eloquence add-on

Dan Thompson
 

Does anyone know where I can download the eloquence

Add-on?  Thank you very very  much in advance.

 

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Re: Email Client

Peter Chin
 

Sorry, I was not clear. What I meant was that I tried to use spellcheck  by bringing it up through the ribbon instead of pressing F7,but couldn’t get it to work when I pressed enter.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
I'm not sure what you mean by check the spell tab.  You can't check the spell tab, it isn't a check item.  It's a tab that announces that you are in the spell part of the dialog.  If you mean check the items in the spell tab, meaning tab around and look at how they are set, that may help, but I doubt it.  But there's no harm in trying.
 
Gene

----- Original Messsage ------
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
This may sound crazy but did you go in to the options and mail options and check the spell tab?
 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM.  If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
--
Brian

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            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?


Re: Email Client

Peter Chin
 

Yes, I did and it tells me that it is disabled.
 

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
This may sound crazy but did you go in to the options and mail options and check the spell tab?
 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM.  If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?


Re: Email Client

Peter Chin
 

Thanks, Gene and Brian. No, I was not thinking of uninstalling MS Office. I was meaning I might have to uninstall WLM. However, Gene has sent me another suggestion which I will try soon. When I have done it, I will inform you whether it works.
 
Thanks again.
 

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM.  If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Quentin Christensen
 

Not the original query, but another similar thing to look out for, is that on most older laptops, you can press the FN key with the function keys (F1 - F12) to do various functions like adjust the volume and screen brightness.  On a lot of new laptops, the function keys are set to do those screen brightness and volume controls on their own and you have to press FN+function key to do its original function.  So, to close a window for instance, on such a machine, you would have to press alt+fn+f4.  Depending on the machine, there may be a setting in say the keyboard or driver options you can change to fix this, but on some, you need to do it in the BIOS (which is not accessible).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Apr 17, 2017 at 12:34 AM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes one thing I've been warned about by RNIB is if buying a new laptop particularly to have all the media keys disabled and put back to a standard function set.
I had no idea that this sort of thing was being done as default these days. Shows how long ago I bought a brand new machine.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows Key commands not working?


Hi!
Some system tray processes which come pre-installed on new computers are
quite aggressive and may eat up hotkeys. Have you checked if exiting some
of them solves the problem?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> schrieb am So., 16. Apr. 2017 um
11:50 Uhr:

Oops!  Thanks Gene!  Yes, of course I did indeed mean NVDA+1 (the 1 key on
the number row, not the one in the number pad).  I must have eaten too much
Easter chocolate (or not enough) :)

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Gene New Zealand <
hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


This is what Quenton is referring to. He put in a typo it is nvda key + 1


This is from the user manual.


4.4. Input Help Mode
Many NVDA commands are mentioned throughout the rest of this user guide,
but an easy way to explore all the different commands is to turn on input
help.
To turn on input help, press NVDA+1. To turn it off, press NVDA+1 again.
While in input help, performing any input gesture (such as pressing a key
or performing a touch gesture) will report the action and describe what it
does (if anything). The actual commands will not execute while in input
help mode.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 8:31 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

NVDA has a feature called "Input help".  Press NVDA+f1 (the NVDA key is
usually INSERT, but you can also set it up as CAPS LOCK) to turn this on -
when on, keys don't get passed through to Windows, so you can press any
keys you like to find out what they are and learn your way around a new
keyboard.  Press NVDA+f1 again to turn it off.

Otherwise, let us know if restarting NVDA and / or restarting the
computer doesn't fix it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Chris <chrismedley@...>
wrote:

Just out of curiousity you are pressing both key together and not
individually?












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Re: Accessible Speed Test

Quentin Christensen
 

fast.com is another one - it's fairly simple, it does a basic test when it loads (not like Speedtest which does three different tests).  The first item is the fast.com logo graphic, go down a line and the text is the current speed.  It tests for about 20 seconds and then stops.  You can refresh the page to redo the test with f5.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Felix G. <constantlyvariable@...> wrote:
I don't know if there's a non-German version though.
Kind regards and happy Easter,
Felix Grützmacher

Noah Carver via Groups.Io <carvernoah309=yahoo.com@groups.io> schrieb am So., 16. Apr. 2017 um 11:54 Uhr:
Thanks all. Worked like a charm.

On 4/15/2017 9:55 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi



take a look at this page it will do the trick for you.


I will add it to my nvda road tested programs page later on today.


the link to this page is http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6221188582

You need to start the test it is a button and wait until it does both download speed and upload speed which is found down the page a little.


hope it helps.


gene nz




On 16/04/2017 1:46 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,


I just got Ethernet set up, and thought I'd do a speed test... until I found a lot of them were inaccessible. Any suggestions on any speed testers that will owrk on my computer?


Cheers,


Noah Carver






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Re: vocalizer tiflotecnia

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

well, you mean the new hardware based authorization doesn't need to contact the internet. If that is the case then couldn't you fix this after six months

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rui Fontes" <rui.fontes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotecnia


Hello!

Yes, we will supportt the new voices.

We are with some problems with the new authorization, hardware based, not needing Internet conexion and with the adaptation of our infra-structure...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Lino Morales
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 18:59
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotecnia

Que pasa RUe? Will you all ever support the Vocalizer II voices that VFO
Group does in the future?


On 4/14/2017 11:53 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Yes, it will be released as soon as it is ready...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original----- De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 06:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotechnia


Rui from Tiflotechnica is on this forum so hopefully can answer, but in the meantime, are you experiencing a particular problem that you hope an update will resolve? Or is there a particular feature you would like in a new update?

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:

Hi, are they ever going to update the driver and voices?














Vocalizer Tiflotecnia VS Vocalizer Codefactory

 

Hi all,

Since Vocalizer from Tiflotecnia doesn't seem to be receiving updates, I wonder is there any advantages in switching to the Codefactory version, in terms of the prospect of getting future updates and functionality? I checked the price of the Codefactory version, and looks like it's cheaper than the Tiflotecnia version.


Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Just for reference, I installed open office version 4.3 today, and it works just fine with NVDA.

At least it did for opening and editing a word file. Saving became problematic, as it wanted me to save in odt format instead of doc, since it said it would loose formatting information if I saved in the original doc format, which makes no sense to me, since it was opened in the original doc format, how could it loose information it already has?

<shrug>

But, as for functionality, I had no issues.

On 4/17/2017 7:21 AM, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io wrote:
For many months I resisted to do this.

But the only solution to this annoying behavior of LibreOffice/NVDA was downgrading to LibreOffice 5.1.

I don't have the patience, the knowledge or the time to look for what changed from versions 5.1 to 5.2 of LibreOffice. but sure here lies the cause of the problem I described months ago.

Even if I don't like to use old versions of any software, it appears that the problems of using LibreOffice with NVDA ARE FAR FROM BEING SOLVED.

I feell very sad because both programs are excellent and the problems are just a few (but very annoying) and could very probably be solved easily if both developers were willing to communicate with each other and search the causes.



Em 03/01/2017 10:00, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io escreveu:
In a Calc spreadsheet I have some cells with numbers formatted to show only two or three decimal places.

But NVDA reads all digits before and after the decimal point.

When I copy the cell contents to the clipboard and use INSERT+C to do NVDA read the contents, the number is announced correctly, with the two or three decimal places.

I don't remember seeing this issue in LibreOffice 4 and NVDA 2015, but cannot tell wich program is causing the problem.





Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

 

hi.
excuse me because i am not familiar with calc to test.
in writer, when i want use say all, i press alt+f to go to the file menu.
then find preview in web browser.
in this case, libreoffice makes temporary html from my doc docx file,
opens my default web browser which is firefox and shows my html in my
firefox.
so, i use insert+down for say all command.
and also i remember that i converted one calc file in to html to study
it with firefox!

On 4/17/17, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io
<wsautodidata=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
For many months I resisted to do this.

But the only solution to this annoying behavior of LibreOffice/NVDA was
downgrading to LibreOffice 5.1.

I don't have the patience, the knowledge or the time to look for what
changed from versions 5.1 to 5.2 of LibreOffice. but sure here lies the
cause of the problem I described months ago.

Even if I don't like to use old versions of any software, it appears
that the problems of using LibreOffice with NVDA ARE FAR FROM BEING SOLVED.

I feell very sad because both programs are excellent and the problems
are just a few (but very annoying) and could very probably be solved
easily if both developers were willing to communicate with each other
and search the causes.



Em 03/01/2017 10:00, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io escreveu:
In a Calc spreadsheet I have some cells with numbers formatted to show
only two or three decimal places.

But NVDA reads all digits before and after the decimal point.

When I copy the cell contents to the clipboard and use INSERT+C to do
NVDA read the contents, the number is announced correctly, with the
two or three decimal places.

I don't remember seeing this issue in LibreOffice 4 and NVDA 2015, but
cannot tell wich program is causing the problem.







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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Engin Albayrak <mealbayrak@...>
 

Hello. By the way, is there any Solution to disable abriviations for vocalizer voices?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rui Fontes
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hello!

In www.vocalizer-nvda.com you only have option to buy the complete package.

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Fantasy Sports
Data: 16 de abril de 2017 03:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function


Thank you for your help with these issues.

I am still looking for an answer to my question about
buying voices for NVDA.

I found the website about voices, its something
like vocalizer-nda.com, but not sure really how to
buy voices off that site.

In particular, I wanted to know if you can buy just
one or a few voices, rather then $100 on all
the voices.




-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function



Control down-arrow reads an entire paragraph. Control up-arrow reads the
previous paragraph.









From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fantasy
Sports
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function







Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for
the job.







However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does
seem to



do exactly what I need.




I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.







Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire
paragraph.




You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that



in the menu options anywhere.




Thank you for your help.



Paul











-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function






Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling) Have
you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for
dyslexics?







I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with
NVDA. they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of
unnecessary work.







there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not
developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may
very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary. I don't
know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.







Here is an article discussing some of these programs.



http://dyslexiahelp.umich.edu/tools/software-assistive-technology/text-to-speech-readers







Gene



----- Original Message -----



From: Fantasy Sports



Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM



To: nvda@nvda.groups.io



Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function







I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on
youtube



before I ask more questions.







It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with



this program. I'm using Chrome browser.







However, my concern about the voices is valid.







The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken



link.







Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,



is there a way to only buy one voice for less?




Thank you for the help.



Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes
are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're
running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to
be more specific in guidance.



On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:



1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.



If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose
for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can
listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest
that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to
one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male
voice and Zira for female. I am presuming you know how to right click on
the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up. Both of
the above settings fall under the Preferences menu. Synthesizer is under
synthesizer and voice is under voice. The first slider in the Voice dialog
is rate. You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this
is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.





2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?



So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but
someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer
the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a
way: How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're
in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of
getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.
After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is
hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or
close to it if I bumped it slightly). I can get NVDA to Say All from that
point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.
It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.
However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one) the
behavior is quite different. If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for
instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which
I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that
point like it does in Word. I've also tried the "navigate to the object
under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during
hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it
seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have
focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm
hovering over entirely. I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the
system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of
clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.





3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?



It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related
to mouse-based use than keyboard based use. One thing you might want to try
is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the
Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage. You can
then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start
reading from there. This only works, of course, on pages that are coded
with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient
method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen
reader. It's taking longer than I had expected!

There are definite differences in the way someone who's
sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the
right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: vocalizer tiflotecnia

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Sorry, but you have requested a activation reset and it was done in April of 2016.
When you stop using our product you still have one activation remaining...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Nimer Jaber
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 17:43
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotecnia


I believe that there is no update, that all this hype isn't doing any good. A year ago, this update was coming. Since then, we keep asking and the update is still coming. I highly recommend that, if you wish to use Vocalizer with more voices, check out the version from code factory. I also own Vocalizer for NVDA, and due to PC upgrades I requested a reset of my licenses, however this never happened. Stay away from this product. If many in the community weren't using it, I would consider a ban on the topic of this particular TTS engine, as I hate to think of the users buying it that have not received updates or support.

Thanks.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:56 AM Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
What exactly is delaying the release of the update? There are
additional voices and higher qualiy speech to be gained from this
update. I don't use the product, but am curious as to the reason for
the delay

On 4/14/17, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
Yes, it will be released as soon as it is ready...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 06:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotechnia


Rui from Tiflotechnica is on this forum so hopefully can answer, but in the

meantime, are you experiencing a particular problem that you hope an update

will resolve? Or is there a particular feature you would like in a new
update?

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:

Hi, are they ever going to update the driver and voices?










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Re: vocalizer tiflotecnia

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Yes, we will supportt the new voices.

We are with some problems with the new authorization, hardware based, not needing Internet conexion and with the adaptation of our infra-structure...

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Lino Morales
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 18:59
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotecnia

Que pasa RUe? Will you all ever support the Vocalizer II voices that VFO
Group does in the future?

On 4/14/2017 11:53 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Yes, it will be released as soon as it is ready...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original----- De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 06:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotechnia


Rui from Tiflotechnica is on this forum so hopefully can answer, but in the meantime, are you experiencing a particular problem that you hope an update will resolve? Or is there a particular feature you would like in a new update?

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:

Hi, are they ever going to update the driver and voices?










Re: NVDA and LibreOfice annoyances - Two, three or many places?

Walmir Schultz
 

For many months I resisted to do this.

But the only solution to this annoying behavior of LibreOffice/NVDA was downgrading to LibreOffice 5.1.

I don't have the patience, the knowledge or the time to look for what changed from versions 5.1 to 5.2 of LibreOffice. but sure here lies the cause of the problem I described months ago.

Even if I don't like to use old versions of any software, it appears that the problems of using LibreOffice with NVDA ARE FAR FROM BEING SOLVED.

I feell very sad because both programs are excellent and the problems are just a few (but very annoying) and could very probably be solved easily if both developers were willing to communicate with each other and search the causes.



Em 03/01/2017 10:00, Walmir Schultz via Groups.Io escreveu:

In a Calc spreadsheet I have some cells with numbers formatted to show only two or three decimal places.

But NVDA reads all digits before and after the decimal point.

When I copy the cell contents to the clipboard and use INSERT+C to do NVDA read the contents, the number is announced correctly, with the two or three decimal places.

I don't remember seeing this issue in LibreOffice 4 and NVDA 2015, but cannot tell wich program is causing the problem.