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Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

In www.vocalizer-nvda.com you only have option to buy the complete package.

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.
-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Fantasy Sports
Data: 16 de abril de 2017 03:27
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function


Thank you for your help with these issues.

I am still looking for an answer to my question about
buying voices for NVDA.

I found the website about voices, its something
like vocalizer-nda.com, but not sure really how to
buy voices off that site.

In particular, I wanted to know if you can buy just
one or a few voices, rather then $100 on all
the voices.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function



Control down-arrow reads an entire paragraph. Control up-arrow reads the previous paragraph.









From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fantasy Sports
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function







Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.







However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to



do exactly what I need.




I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.







Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.




You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that



in the menu options anywhere.




Thank you for your help.



Paul











-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function






Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling) Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics?







I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA. they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.







there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary. I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.







Here is an article discussing some of these programs.



http://dyslexiahelp.umich.edu/tools/software-assistive-technology/text-to-speech-readers







Gene



----- Original Message -----



From: Fantasy Sports



Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM



To: nvda@nvda.groups.io



Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function







I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube



before I ask more questions.







It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with



this program. I'm using Chrome browser.







However, my concern about the voices is valid.







The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken



link.







Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,



is there a way to only buy one voice for less?




Thank you for the help.



Paul



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.



On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:



1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.



If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female. I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up. Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu. Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice. The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate. You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.





2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?



So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way: How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there. After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly). I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout. It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point. However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one) the behavior is quite different. If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word. I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely. I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.





3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?



It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use. One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage. You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there. This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader. It's taking longer than I had expected!

There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Importing NVDA's MS Word book

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

If you have extracted the .zip file of the e-book about using Microsoft Word with NVDA, you will have noticed that there are several copies of the book in different formats. One of these is the .epub format which Voice Dream Reader can read.

Therefore, instead of importing the whole .zip file of the Microsoft Word e-book into Voice Dream Reader, import only the .epub file after extracting the .zip file somewhere else. Then you shouldn’t get an error: I didn’t when I imported the .epub file on its own.

I hope this helps!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: dimanche 16 avril 2017 23:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Importing NVDA's MS Word book

 

I purchased the NV Access new book on MS Word. I’m trying to download it into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone. I’m getting the prompts to do that but it shows up in VoiceDream as “Error”. No doubt this is because it is a zipped file. How do I get it unzipped and into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone? Seems like I heard that downloading files in the ePub format gives you more navigation options in VoiceDream Reader e.g. selecting something in the Table of Contents and going straight to that section of the book. Comments, Help with downloading?

 

Thanks.

 


Re: Importing NVDA's MS Word book

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What a messyway to copy files. Makeds not not to get Apple smart phone.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Rhodes" <gkrhodes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, April 17, 2017 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Importing NVDA's MS Word book


That did it. Thanks David.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2017, at 5:50 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

By far the easiest way to import into Voicedream is to use its loader function.
This requires a little setting up.
1.Install iCloud for Windows manager. Enable iCloud drive from the preferences..
2. In Voicedream Settings enable iCloud integration.
3. Now on your PC copy the ePub file you want to import. Navigate to iCloud Drive, then Voicedream and finally in the Voicedream folder find the Loader Folder.
4. Open the loader folder and paste any book you want read in Voicedream here. It can be in any supported format including audio books.
5. Open Voicedream on your iOS Device. After a few seconds your book will appear in your library.

Note the copied file in your loader folder will disappear as soon as Voicedream imports it so make sure you only copy items here and do not move them.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Greg Rhodes
Sent: 16 April 2017 22:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Importing NVDA's MS Word book

I purchased the NV Access new book on MS Word. I’m trying to download it into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone. I’m getting the prompts to do that but it shows up in VoiceDream as “Error”. No doubt this is because it is a zipped file. How do I get it unzipped and into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone? Seems like I heard that downloading files in the ePub format gives you more navigation options in VoiceDream Reader e.g. selecting something in the Table of Contents and going straight to that section of the book. Comments, Help with downloading?

Thanks.



Re: Importing NVDA's MS Word book

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Can you not simply download it on the computer and extract the files and then send those to the mobile device of choice?

Or did I misunderstand.
Myself, I do not use any mobile devices yet. I'm afraid I'll have to soon though to get access to stuff I need. Sigh.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Rhodes" <gkrhodes@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 10:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] Importing NVDA's MS Word book


I purchased the NV Access new book on MS Word. I’m trying to download it into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone. I’m getting the prompts to do that but it shows up in VoiceDream as “Error”. No doubt this is because it is a zipped file. How do I get it unzipped and into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone? Seems like I heard that downloading files in the ePub format gives you more navigation options in VoiceDream Reader e.g. selecting something in the Table of Contents and going straight to that section of the book. Comments, Help with downloading?

Thanks.


Re: Importing NVDA's MS Word book

Greg Rhodes
 

That did it. Thanks David.

Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 16, 2017, at 5:50 PM, David Griffith <daj.griffith@...> wrote:

By far the easiest way to import into Voicedream is to use its loader function.

This requires a little setting up.

1.Install iCloud for Windows manager. Enable iCloud drive from the preferences..

2. In Voicedream Settings enable iCloud integration.

3. Now on your PC copy the ePub file you want to import. Navigate to iCloud Drive, then Voicedream and finally in the Voicedream folder find the Loader Folder.

4. Open the loader folder and paste any book you want read in Voicedream here. It can be in any supported format including audio books.

5. Open Voicedream on your iOS Device. After a few seconds your book will appear in your library.

 

Note the copied file in your loader folder will disappear as soon as Voicedream imports it so make sure you only copy items here and do not move them.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Greg Rhodes
Sent: 16 April 2017 22:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Importing NVDA's MS Word book

 

I purchased the NV Access new book on MS Word. I’m trying to download it into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone. I’m getting the prompts to do that but it shows up in VoiceDream as “Error”. No doubt this is because it is a zipped file. How do I get it unzipped and into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone? Seems like I heard that downloading files in the ePub format gives you more navigation options in VoiceDream Reader e.g. selecting something in the Table of Contents and going straight to that section of the book. Comments, Help with downloading?

 

Thanks.

 

 


Re: Importing NVDA's MS Word book

David Griffith
 

By far the easiest way to import into Voicedream is to use its loader function.

This requires a little setting up.

1.Install iCloud for Windows manager. Enable iCloud drive from the preferences..

2. In Voicedream Settings enable iCloud integration.

3. Now on your PC copy the ePub file you want to import. Navigate to iCloud Drive, then Voicedream and finally in the Voicedream folder find the Loader Folder.

4. Open the loader folder and paste any book you want read in Voicedream here. It can be in any supported format including audio books.

5. Open Voicedream on your iOS Device. After a few seconds your book will appear in your library.

 

Note the copied file in your loader folder will disappear as soon as Voicedream imports it so make sure you only copy items here and do not move them.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Greg Rhodes
Sent: 16 April 2017 22:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Importing NVDA's MS Word book

 

I purchased the NV Access new book on MS Word. I’m trying to download it into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone. I’m getting the prompts to do that but it shows up in VoiceDream as “Error”. No doubt this is because it is a zipped file. How do I get it unzipped and into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone? Seems like I heard that downloading files in the ePub format gives you more navigation options in VoiceDream Reader e.g. selecting something in the Table of Contents and going straight to that section of the book. Comments, Help with downloading?

 

Thanks.

 

 


Importing NVDA's MS Word book

Greg Rhodes
 

I purchased the NV Access new book on MS Word. I’m trying to download it into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone. I’m getting the prompts to do that but it shows up in VoiceDream as “Error”. No doubt this is because it is a zipped file. How do I get it unzipped and into VoiceDream Reader on my iPhone? Seems like I heard that downloading files in the ePub format gives you more navigation options in VoiceDream Reader e.g. selecting something in the Table of Contents and going straight to that section of the book. Comments, Help with downloading?

 

Thanks.

 


Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Thank you Gene, and thanks to everyone else who has helped me.

I am planning to make a donation to NVDA in the near future, 
I want to support this software.  I think its a really great program.

Peace.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Apr 16, 2017 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi


the nvda key is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key which is found on the numeric keypad i think it is the zero and the caps lock key.


If you had the insert key as one of the modifier keys and wanted to go into the preferences of nvda you would use the insert key + the letter N. When the preferences comes up in nvda you would then arrow down to the help menu then right to the user guide. If you press the enter key on that the user guide will come up and give you all the commands you can use with nvda.


If you are using the desktop layout in nvda you would use the desk top commands.

The layout can be found under the keyboard settings section in nvda.


When the preferences section is up if you arrow around say down then to general settings then down to voice settings under that section you can change the rate of nvda speaking. When you go into each section there will be different choices you can do in each section. make sure if you want to check some thing use the space bar and after you finish in each settings section tab to the ok button then press the enter key.


Gene nz



On 17/04/2017 6:55 AM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
The commands you have been talking about work fine in Microsoft Word and probably
with other processors.  They don't work in Notepad for some reason, but that is okay.

What do you mean by NVDA key?

By the way, is there a list of commands for NVDA somewhere?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 16, 2017 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

It reads the current line of the navigator object you are in if you are using object navigation. If you are using screen review, it may read something else.  When in object review, this behavior corresponds to the NVDA key up arrow command.  It requires only one hand and one finger.  It is more convenient than the read current line command, NVDA key up arrow.  I never use that cumbersome command and I didn't know about it until today. 
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi


Number 8 on the numeric keypad is for text review for that line or is it sentence


Gene nz

.




On 16/04/2017 8:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I see why there is confusion and why I was saying the command wouldn't work.  NVDA key up arrow does read the current line but numpad 8 also reads the current line if object navigation is being used.  I'm sorry for the confusion but when discussing such commands, because screen review commands are usually done with the numpad in the desktop layout, it would be very helpful if people would specify that they are talking about the up arrow on the main key board.  Numpad 8 doubles as up arrow in applications where the numpad isn't taken over for other uses. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi again


the NVDA key + up arrow key will read the current line.


Just repeat the process to hear it again.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 5:02 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill






Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


the nvda key is a modifier key and can be the insert key the extended insert key which is found on the numeric keypad i think it is the zero and the caps lock key.


If you had the insert key as one of the modifier keys and wanted to go into the preferences of nvda you would use the insert key + the letter N. When the preferences comes up in nvda you would then arrow down to the help menu then right to the user guide. If you press the enter key on that the user guide will come up and give you all the commands you can use with nvda.


If you are using the desktop layout in nvda you would use the desk top commands.

The layout can be found under the keyboard settings section in nvda.


When the preferences section is up if you arrow around say down then to general settings then down to voice settings under that section you can change the rate of nvda speaking. When you go into each section there will be different choices you can do in each section. make sure if you want to check some thing use the space bar and after you finish in each settings section tab to the ok button then press the enter key.


Gene nz



On 17/04/2017 6:55 AM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
The commands you have been talking about work fine in Microsoft Word and probably
with other processors.  They don't work in Notepad for some reason, but that is okay.

What do you mean by NVDA key?

By the way, is there a list of commands for NVDA somewhere?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 16, 2017 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

It reads the current line of the navigator object you are in if you are using object navigation. If you are using screen review, it may read something else.  When in object review, this behavior corresponds to the NVDA key up arrow command.  It requires only one hand and one finger.  It is more convenient than the read current line command, NVDA key up arrow.  I never use that cumbersome command and I didn't know about it until today. 
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi


Number 8 on the numeric keypad is for text review for that line or is it sentence


Gene nz

.




On 16/04/2017 8:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I see why there is confusion and why I was saying the command wouldn't work.  NVDA key up arrow does read the current line but numpad 8 also reads the current line if object navigation is being used.  I'm sorry for the confusion but when discussing such commands, because screen review commands are usually done with the numpad in the desktop layout, it would be very helpful if people would specify that they are talking about the up arrow on the main key board.  Numpad 8 doubles as up arrow in applications where the numpad isn't taken over for other uses. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi again


the NVDA key + up arrow key will read the current line.


Just repeat the process to hear it again.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 5:02 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill






Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

The commands you have been talking about work fine in Microsoft Word and probably
with other processors.  They don't work in Notepad for some reason, but that is okay.

What do you mean by NVDA key?

By the way, is there a list of commands for NVDA somewhere?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 16, 2017 5:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

It reads the current line of the navigator object you are in if you are using object navigation. If you are using screen review, it may read something else.  When in object review, this behavior corresponds to the NVDA key up arrow command.  It requires only one hand and one finger.  It is more convenient than the read current line command, NVDA key up arrow.  I never use that cumbersome command and I didn't know about it until today. 
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi


Number 8 on the numeric keypad is for text review for that line or is it sentence


Gene nz

.




On 16/04/2017 8:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I see why there is confusion and why I was saying the command wouldn't work.  NVDA key up arrow does read the current line but numpad 8 also reads the current line if object navigation is being used.  I'm sorry for the confusion but when discussing such commands, because screen review commands are usually done with the numpad in the desktop layout, it would be very helpful if people would specify that they are talking about the up arrow on the main key board.  Numpad 8 doubles as up arrow in applications where the numpad isn't taken over for other uses. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi again


the NVDA key + up arrow key will read the current line.


Just repeat the process to hear it again.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 5:02 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill





Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

As I said before, using the ivan voice, NVDA is pronounced as individual letters regardless of case. All caps, All lower case, mixed case, makes no difference, it is still pronounced as n v d a.
(obviously, your mileage may vary.
I've done no customizing of the speech dictionary.

On Sat, 15 Apr 2017, Brian Vogel wrote:

Just a brief update:  NVDA is saying N V D A when written all in caps.  It
so happened I was looking at a message where the writer had written it in
lowercase.
I am aware that I can add a dictionary entry for lowercase NVDA, and may,
but this is a case where the likelihood of the lowercase version being
anything other than the same as the uppercase version is very close to, or
actually, zero.  I just found it odd that NVDA doesn't recognize this
particular quirk without requiring customization by the end user.
It's certainly not an earth-shattering issue, that's for sure.
--
Brian
     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the
right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
            ~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes one thing I've been warned about by RNIB is if buying a new laptop particularly to have all the media keys disabled and put back to a standard function set.
I had no idea that this sort of thing was being done as default these days. Shows how long ago I bought a brand new machine.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows Key commands not working?


Hi!
Some system tray processes which come pre-installed on new computers are
quite aggressive and may eat up hotkeys. Have you checked if exiting some
of them solves the problem?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> schrieb am So., 16. Apr. 2017 um
11:50 Uhr:

Oops! Thanks Gene! Yes, of course I did indeed mean NVDA+1 (the 1 key on
the number row, not the one in the number pad). I must have eaten too much
Easter chocolate (or not enough) :)

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Gene New Zealand <
hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


This is what Quenton is referring to. He put in a typo it is nvda key + 1


This is from the user manual.


4.4. Input Help Mode
Many NVDA commands are mentioned throughout the rest of this user guide,
but an easy way to explore all the different commands is to turn on input
help.
To turn on input help, press NVDA+1. To turn it off, press NVDA+1 again.
While in input help, performing any input gesture (such as pressing a key
or performing a touch gesture) will report the action and describe what it
does (if anything). The actual commands will not execute while in input
help mode.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 8:31 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

NVDA has a feature called "Input help". Press NVDA+f1 (the NVDA key is
usually INSERT, but you can also set it up as CAPS LOCK) to turn this on -
when on, keys don't get passed through to Windows, so you can press any
keys you like to find out what they are and learn your way around a new
keyboard. Press NVDA+f1 again to turn it off.

Otherwise, let us know if restarting NVDA and / or restarting the
computer doesn't fix it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Chris <chrismedley@...>
wrote:

Just out of curiousity you are pressing both key together and not
individually?










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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Gene
 

That is what is being said. 
Commands such as Windows d and Windows m aren't working. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 4:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows Key commands not working?

I cannot find the original post in this thread. However going on the subject
line it sounds like they are saying that the windows shortcuts are the ones
not working, which is a somewhat more serious issue.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows Key commands not working?


> NVDA has a feature called "Input help".  Press NVDA+f1 (the NVDA key is
> usually INSERT, but you can also set it up as CAPS LOCK) to turn this on -
> when on, keys don't get passed through to Windows, so you can press any
> keys you like to find out what they are and learn your way around a new
> keyboard.  Press NVDA+f1 again to turn it off.
>
> Otherwise, let us know if restarting NVDA and / or restarting the computer
> doesn't fix it.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:
>
>> Just out of curiousity you are pressing both key together and not
>> individually?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>




Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene
 

It reads the current line of the navigator object you are in if you are using object navigation. If you are using screen review, it may read something else.  When in object review, this behavior corresponds to the NVDA key up arrow command.  It requires only one hand and one finger.  It is more convenient than the read current line command, NVDA key up arrow.  I never use that cumbersome command and I didn't know about it until today. 
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 4:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi


Number 8 on the numeric keypad is for text review for that line or is it sentence


Gene nz

.




On 16/04/2017 8:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I see why there is confusion and why I was saying the command wouldn't work.  NVDA key up arrow does read the current line but numpad 8 also reads the current line if object navigation is being used.  I'm sorry for the confusion but when discussing such commands, because screen review commands are usually done with the numpad in the desktop layout, it would be very helpful if people would specify that they are talking about the up arrow on the main key board.  Numpad 8 doubles as up arrow in applications where the numpad isn't taken over for other uses. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi again


the NVDA key + up arrow key will read the current line.


Just repeat the process to hear it again.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 5:02 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene
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Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill





Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Felix G.
 

Hi!
Some system tray processes which come pre-installed on new computers are quite aggressive and may eat up hotkeys. Have you checked if exiting some of them solves the problem?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> schrieb am So., 16. Apr. 2017 um 11:50 Uhr:

Oops!  Thanks Gene!  Yes, of course I did indeed mean NVDA+1 (the 1 key on the number row, not the one in the number pad).  I must have eaten too much Easter chocolate (or not enough) :)

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


This is what Quenton is referring to. He put in a typo it is nvda key + 1


This is from the user manual.


4.4. Input Help Mode
Many NVDA commands are mentioned throughout the rest of this user guide, but an easy way to explore all the different commands is to turn on input help.
To turn on input help, press NVDA+1. To turn it off, press NVDA+1 again. While in input help, performing any input gesture (such as pressing a key or performing a touch gesture) will report the action and describe what it does (if anything). The actual commands will not execute while in input help mode.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 8:31 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
NVDA has a feature called "Input help".  Press NVDA+f1 (the NVDA key is usually INSERT, but you can also set it up as CAPS LOCK) to turn this on - when on, keys don't get passed through to Windows, so you can press any keys you like to find out what they are and learn your way around a new keyboard.  Press NVDA+f1 again to turn it off.

Otherwise, let us know if restarting NVDA and / or restarting the computer doesn't fix it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:

Just out of curiousity you are pressing both key together and not individually?

 

 

 

 




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Re: Accessible Speed Test

Felix G.
 

I don't know if there's a non-German version though.
Kind regards and happy Easter,
Felix Grützmacher

Noah Carver via Groups.Io <carvernoah309=yahoo.com@groups.io> schrieb am So., 16. Apr. 2017 um 11:54 Uhr:

Thanks all. Worked like a charm.

On 4/15/2017 9:55 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi



take a look at this page it will do the trick for you.


I will add it to my nvda road tested programs page later on today.


the link to this page is http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6221188582

You need to start the test it is a button and wait until it does both download speed and upload speed which is found down the page a little.


hope it helps.


gene nz




On 16/04/2017 1:46 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,


I just got Ethernet set up, and thought I'd do a speed test... until I found a lot of them were inaccessible. Any suggestions on any speed testers that will owrk on my computer?


Cheers,


Noah Carver




Re: Accessible Speed Test

 

Thanks all. Worked like a charm.

On 4/15/2017 9:55 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi



take a look at this page it will do the trick for you.


I will add it to my nvda road tested programs page later on today.


the link to this page is http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6221188582

You need to start the test it is a button and wait until it does both download speed and upload speed which is found down the page a little.


hope it helps.


gene nz




On 16/04/2017 1:46 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,


I just got Ethernet set up, and thought I'd do a speed test... until I found a lot of them were inaccessible. Any suggestions on any speed testers that will owrk on my computer?


Cheers,


Noah Carver




Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Quentin Christensen
 

Oops!  Thanks Gene!  Yes, of course I did indeed mean NVDA+1 (the 1 key on the number row, not the one in the number pad).  I must have eaten too much Easter chocolate (or not enough) :)

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 7:37 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


This is what Quenton is referring to. He put in a typo it is nvda key + 1


This is from the user manual.


4.4. Input Help Mode
Many NVDA commands are mentioned throughout the rest of this user guide, but an easy way to explore all the different commands is to turn on input help.
To turn on input help, press NVDA+1. To turn it off, press NVDA+1 again. While in input help, performing any input gesture (such as pressing a key or performing a touch gesture) will report the action and describe what it does (if anything). The actual commands will not execute while in input help mode.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 8:31 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
NVDA has a feature called "Input help".  Press NVDA+f1 (the NVDA key is usually INSERT, but you can also set it up as CAPS LOCK) to turn this on - when on, keys don't get passed through to Windows, so you can press any keys you like to find out what they are and learn your way around a new keyboard.  Press NVDA+f1 again to turn it off.

Otherwise, let us know if restarting NVDA and / or restarting the computer doesn't fix it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:

Just out of curiousity you are pressing both key together and not individually?

 

 

 

 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


NVDA and Plover Application. How to fix for an Accessible Workflow.

Daniele Casarola
 

Hi,

I'm Daniele from Italy.

I've published a three part video on youtube to explain better which is my problem. I'm sorry but without the help of images I'm not able to explain.

If this is not the place for this kind of request I apologize in advance. Please in case link me to the right person/community able to help.

Part 01:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0Mpuup1p1U

Part 02:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmnGp6Clx6c

Part 03:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaMHsYplX2M


Happy Easter!!


Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I cannot find the original post in this thread. However going on the subject line it sounds like they are saying that the windows shortcuts are the ones not working, which is a somewhat more serious issue.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Quentin Christensen" <quentin@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows Key commands not working?


NVDA has a feature called "Input help". Press NVDA+f1 (the NVDA key is
usually INSERT, but you can also set it up as CAPS LOCK) to turn this on -
when on, keys don't get passed through to Windows, so you can press any
keys you like to find out what they are and learn your way around a new
keyboard. Press NVDA+f1 again to turn it off.

Otherwise, let us know if restarting NVDA and / or restarting the computer
doesn't fix it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:

Just out of curiousity you are pressing both key together and not
individually?











--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
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