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Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


This is what Quenton is referring to. He put in a typo it is nvda key + 1


This is from the user manual.


4.4. Input Help Mode
Many NVDA commands are mentioned throughout the rest of this user guide, but an easy way to explore all the different commands is to turn on input help.
To turn on input help, press NVDA+1. To turn it off, press NVDA+1 again. While in input help, performing any input gesture (such as pressing a key or performing a touch gesture) will report the action and describe what it does (if anything). The actual commands will not execute while in input help mode.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 8:31 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
NVDA has a feature called "Input help".  Press NVDA+f1 (the NVDA key is usually INSERT, but you can also set it up as CAPS LOCK) to turn this on - when on, keys don't get passed through to Windows, so you can press any keys you like to find out what they are and learn your way around a new keyboard.  Press NVDA+f1 again to turn it off.

Otherwise, let us know if restarting NVDA and / or restarting the computer doesn't fix it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:

Just out of curiousity you are pressing both key together and not individually?

 

 

 

 




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Re: NVDA + Stenograph + Microsoft Word

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You cannot attach stuff here. Best choice is to use dropbox and post a link in your post here.
Incidentally did you not post this same query already under a different subject line
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniele Casarola" <casaroladaniele@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA + Stenograph + Microsoft Word


It seems the problem has been solved automatically. I don't know why, maybe because of NVDA updates, or Windows Updates, or Microsoft Word updates... mha...


Re: Reading menus in Excel?

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Which version of the software. I think if its the ribbon menu versions you need to find an article on how to navigate ribbons. not really nvda, more a Microsoft issue, and not under the control of nvda really.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brandon Keith Biggs" <@brandonkeithbiggs>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 12:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] Reading menus in Excel?


Hello,
I have an Excel File that I need to choose a menu option in. It is attached.
How do I do this with NVDA? IN Google Sheets I press enter and down arrow,
but f2 and down arrow doesn't work here. The menu is under IEP.
Thanks,

Brandon Keith Biggs <http://brandonkeithbiggs.com/>


Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Number 8 on the numeric keypad is for text review for that line or is it sentence


Gene nz

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On 16/04/2017 8:04 PM, Gene wrote:
I see why there is confusion and why I was saying the command wouldn't work.  NVDA key up arrow does read the current line but numpad 8 also reads the current line if object navigation is being used.  I'm sorry for the confusion but when discussing such commands, because screen review commands are usually done with the numpad in the desktop layout, it would be very helpful if people would specify that they are talking about the up arrow on the main key board.  Numpad 8 doubles as up arrow in applications where the numpad isn't taken over for other uses. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi again


the NVDA key + up arrow key will read the current line.


Just repeat the process to hear it again.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 5:02 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill





Re: NVDA + Stenograph + Microsoft Word

Daniele Casarola
 

It seems the problem has been solved automatically. I don't know why, maybe because of NVDA updates, or Windows Updates, or Microsoft Word updates... mha...



Re: Windows Key commands not working?

Quentin Christensen
 

NVDA has a feature called "Input help".  Press NVDA+f1 (the NVDA key is usually INSERT, but you can also set it up as CAPS LOCK) to turn this on - when on, keys don't get passed through to Windows, so you can press any keys you like to find out what they are and learn your way around a new keyboard.  Press NVDA+f1 again to turn it off.

Otherwise, let us know if restarting NVDA and / or restarting the computer doesn't fix it.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Apr 16, 2017 at 6:29 AM, Chris <chrismedley@...> wrote:

Just out of curiousity you are pressing both key together and not individually?

 

 

 

 




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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
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Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene
 

I see why there is confusion and why I was saying the command wouldn't work.  NVDA key up arrow does read the current line but numpad 8 also reads the current line if object navigation is being used.  I'm sorry for the confusion but when discussing such commands, because screen review commands are usually done with the numpad in the desktop layout, it would be very helpful if people would specify that they are talking about the up arrow on the main key board.  Numpad 8 doubles as up arrow in applications where the numpad isn't taken over for other uses. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Hi again


the NVDA key + up arrow key will read the current line.


Just repeat the process to hear it again.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 5:02 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene
 

Insert up arrow, if the desktop keyboard is being used, isn't a reading command.  Just plain numpad up arrow is read current line.  But that won't read the last line read if you are using read by paragraph and the paragraph is more than one line long.  There is a way to have NVDA speak the last thing it spoke but I don't remember more about that.  It isn't read current line, it's a feature that keeps a temporary record of what NVDA has spoken a number of times back.  But again, when reading by paragraph, it may reread the entire paragraph.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Aravind R
Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2017 12:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

press insert+up arrow. not control

On 4/16/17, Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...> wrote:
> Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many
> different situations.
>
> Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just
> read?
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gene
>> Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function
>>
>> I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor
>> documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you
>> read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Fantasy Sports
>> Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function
>>
>> Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to
>> the
>> end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.
>>
>> I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.
>>
>> Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting
>> CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
>> or other arrows is not doing anything at all.
>>
>> Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Gene
>>> Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function
>>>
>>> I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by
>>> paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move
>>> to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again
>>> will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to
>>> the previous paragraph and reads it.
>>>
>>> I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I
>>> checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Gene
>>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function
>>>
>>> There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what
>>> happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start
>>> reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word
>>> processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start
>>> reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move
>>> to that place on a web page.
>>>
>>> As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and
>>> press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
>>>
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Fantasy Sports
>>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function
>>>
>>> Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool
>>> for the job.
>>>
>>> However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it
>>> does seem to
>>> do exactly what I need.
>>>
>>> I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.
>>>
>>> Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire
>>> paragraph.
>>>
>>> You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
>>> in the menu options anywhere.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your help.
>>> Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Gene
>>>> Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function
>>>>
>>>> Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)
>>>> Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such,
>>>> for dyslexics?
>>>>
>>>> I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with
>>>> NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of
>>>> unnecessary work.
>>>>
>>>> there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not
>>>> developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you
>>>> may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.
>>>> I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>>> Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
>>>> http://dyslexiahelp.umich.edu/tools/software-assistive-technology/text-to-speech-readers
>>>>
>>>> Gene
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Fantasy Sports
>>>> Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function
>>>>
>>>> I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on
>>>> youtube
>>>> before I ask more questions.
>>>>
>>>> It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page
>>>> with
>>>> this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.
>>>>
>>>> However, my concern about the voices is valid.
>>>>
>>>> The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a
>>>> broken
>>>> link.
>>>>
>>>> Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these
>>>> voices,
>>>> is there a way to only buy one voice for less?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the help.
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Brian Vogel
>>>>> Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
>>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul,
>>>>>
>>>>>           Presuming you install the program, so that your settings
>>>>> changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>           It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows
>>>>> you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with
>>>>> in order to be more specific in guidance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
>>>>>> this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.
>>>>>
>>>>>              If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your
>>>>> purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that
>>>>> you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would
>>>>> strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech
>>>>> API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10
>>>>> for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming
>>>>> you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to
>>>>> cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under
>>>>> the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is
>>>>> under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can
>>>>> use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true
>>>>> whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
>>>>>> or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
>>>>>> below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?
>>>>>
>>>>> So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but
>>>>> someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to
>>>>> answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if
>>>>> there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse
>>>>> position when you're in a web browser?
>>>>>
>>>>> When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal
>>>>> of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from
>>>>> there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over
>>>>> which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat
>>>>> is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to
>>>>> Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the
>>>>> desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect,
>>>>> keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and
>>>>> it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm
>>>>> reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down
>>>>> the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I
>>>>> click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in
>>>>> Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse"
>>>>> command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to
>>>>> be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems,
>>>>> does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have
>>>>> focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm
>>>>> hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force
>>>>> the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted
>>>>> way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it
>>>>> either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has
>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>> reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually.
>>>>>> Is
>>>>>> there a way to fix this?
>>>>>
>>>>>                    It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more
>>>>> related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you
>>>>> might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog
>>>>> comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings
>>>>> in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite
>>>>> easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of
>>>>> course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot
>>>>> of pages.
>>>>>
>>>>>                    I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient
>>>>> method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen
>>>>> reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!
>>>>>
>>>>>                    There are definite differences in the way someone
>>>>> who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>      The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
>>>>> the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
>>>>> moment.
>>>>>
>>>>>             ~ Dorothy Nevill
>>>>>
>>>>>
>


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Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi again


the NVDA key + up arrow key will read the current line.


Just repeat the process to hear it again.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 5:02 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


I just had a play to read the next paragraph. it only works in supported programs and will depend on which one it is.


I just tried it in note pad and using the CTRL key + down arrow key would only read that line yet in a supported program it would do the paragraph.


The only thing that comes to mind is highlighting the area you want like the paragraph then copying it to the clip board. Then you would use the nvda key + letter C to read out the clipboard just keep on repeating the nvda key after it has been read out to hear it again.


Depending how you do it it could be done with the mouse or by using the shift key plus arrow keys to high light the text then copy it to the clipboard then use the nvda key + letter C to read it out.

.


The much slower way is to do it word by word and hear each word as it is said. You can use the CTRL key + right arrow key to go one word to the right each time you press that combination.


to go back a word at a time you could use the CTRL key + left arrow key to go back one word at a time.

if the document supports paragraphs and you use the CTRL key + down arrow key to read it out I think i used the CTRL key +up arrow key then the same CTRL key + down arrow key to read it out again.

it would be a much slower process copying each paragraph to the clipboard then having it read out again with the nvda key + letter C.

Were you able to slow down the voice enough so you could make out what nvda was saying?

There are also other voices that can be used with nvda and these can be sapi 4 and 5 voices etc Some packages are free but some are paid for.

Under the voice settings part in NVDA it will give you a whole heap of e speak voices to chose from. I use the Gene one as it is clear to me.

If you do not touch the mouse in the document you might want to do it with the down or up arrow keys one line at a time in a document.

Gene nz

On 16/04/2017 5:02 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Aravind R
 

press insert+up arrow. not control

On 4/16/17, Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...> wrote:
Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many
different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just
read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor
documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you
read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Fantasy Sports
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to
the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting
CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by
paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move
to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again
will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to
the previous paragraph and reads it.

I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I
checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what
happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start
reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word
processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start
reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move
to that place on a web page.

As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and
press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Fantasy Sports
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool
for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it
does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire
paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)
Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such,
for dyslexics?

I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with
NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of
unnecessary work.

there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not
developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you
may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.
I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking
about.

Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
http://dyslexiahelp.umich.edu/tools/software-assistive-technology/text-to-speech-readers

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Fantasy Sports
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on
youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page
with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a
broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these
voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings
changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows
you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with
in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand
what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.
             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your
purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that
you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would
strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech
API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10
for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming
you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to
cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under
the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is
under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can
use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true
whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where
the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?
So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but
someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to
answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if
there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse
position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal
of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from
there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over
which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat
is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to
Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the
desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect,
keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and
it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm
reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down
the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I
click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in
Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse"
command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to
be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems,
does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have
focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm
hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force
the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted
way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it
either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has
trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually.
Is
there a way to fix this?
                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more
related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you
might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog
comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings
in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite
easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of
course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot
of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient
method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen
reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone
who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in
the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting
moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

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Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613.
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Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Yes, I am having no luck at all with Control plus Down Arrow in many different situations.

Do you know if there a way to make NVDA repeat again the last thing it just read?


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene
 

I haven't used read by paragraph much.  In word processors using processor documents, it works.  I'm not sure what it does in Notepad.  And if you read a text document in a word processor, I'm not sure what it does.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


as far as i know there is only the one option and that is all. I have not heard any different.


Gene nz



On 16/04/2017 2:27 PM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Thank you for your help with these issues.

I am still looking for an answer to my question about
buying voices for NVDA.

I found the website about voices, its something
like vocalizer-nda.com, but not sure really how to
buy voices off that site.

In particular, I wanted to know if you can buy just
one or a few voices, rather then $100 on all
the voices.




-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Control down-arrow reads an entire paragraph. Control up-arrow reads the previous paragraph.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fantasy Sports
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

 

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

 

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to

do exactly what I need.


I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

 

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.


You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that

in the menu options anywhere.


Thank you for your help.

Paul

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function


Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 

 

I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.

 

there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.

 

Here is an article discussing some of these programs.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

 

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube

before I ask more questions.

 

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with

this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

 

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

 

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken

link.

 

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,

is there a way to only buy one voice for less?


Thank you for the help.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.

 

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 



Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Thank you for your help with these issues.

I am still looking for an answer to my question about
buying voices for NVDA.

I found the website about voices, its something
like vocalizer-nda.com, but not sure really how to
buy voices off that site.

In particular, I wanted to know if you can buy just
one or a few voices, rather then $100 on all
the voices.




-----Original Message-----
From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Apr 15, 2017 3:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Control down-arrow reads an entire paragraph. Control up-arrow reads the previous paragraph.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fantasy Sports
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 5:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

 

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

 

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to

do exactly what I need.


I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

 

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.


You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that

in the menu options anywhere.


Thank you for your help.

Paul

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function


Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 

 

I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.

 

there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.

 

Here is an article discussing some of these programs.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

 

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube

before I ask more questions.

 

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with

this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

 

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

 

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken

link.

 

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,

is there a way to only buy one voice for less?


Thank you for the help.

Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.

 

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 


Re: Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Okay, so from my experience so far, INSERT plus DOWN ARROW will read to the
end of the paragraph and even beyond that, to the end of the document.

I've had some success with this, seems to work pretty well.

Unfortunately, when I'm in text or word documents or files, hitting CONTROL plus DOWN ARROW
or other arrows is not doing anything at all.

Not sure why that is.  Maybe it is meant to work elsewhere.









-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I need to correct an important point.  I said there is no read by paragraph command but that is not correct.  Control down arrow will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Then issuing control down arrow again will move to the next paragraph and read it.  Control up arrow moves to the previous paragraph and reads it. 
 
I thought that these commands moved you but didn't read much but I checked to be sure and they do read the paragraph you move to.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

There is no read paragraph command.  On a web page, I don't know what happens if you move the mouse to someplace where you want to start reading and click.  It is my recollection that in a document in a word processor, that moves the cursor to where you clicked and you could start reading from there.  But on a web page, I don't know if NVDA would move to that place on a web page.
 
As I said, read to end is insert and down arrow.  Hold either insert and press down arrow on the main keyboard.  Stop reading with control.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Perhaps there might be easier software, perhaps I'm using the wrong tool for the job.

However, from the amount that I've used this NVDA software so far, it does seem to
do exactly what I need.

I really just need to learn how to navigate with the keyboard.

Can you please tell me what the command is to make it read an entire paragraph.

You mentioned READ TILL END, or some such command, but I can't find that
in the menu options anywhere.

Thank you for your help.
Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Have you looked into applications for people with deslexia? (spelling)  Have you joined anything like e-mail lists, I presume there are such, for dyslexics? 
 
I don't know what it's like for a sighted person to use a web page with NVDA.  they could learn to use the keyboard but that may be a lot of unnecessary work.
 
there are lots of sighted people, such as Dyslexics who use programs not developed for blind people and if you haven't inquired about those, you may very well be going down a much more difficult track than necessary.  I don't know what you have done but here is a sample of what I'm talking about.
 
Here is an article discussing some of these programs.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 6:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

I think it would be a good idea for me to watch some tutorial videos on youtube
before I ask more questions.

It might simply be that I don't understand how to navigate a web page with
this program.  I'm using Chrome browser.

However, my concern about the voices is valid.

The link to buy new voices on your NV Access website seems to be a broken
link.

Also, someone mentioned on youtube that it costs $100 to buy these voices,
is there a way to only buy one voice for less?

Thank you for the help.
Paul

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Apr 14, 2017 6:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Tweeking NVDA voices and function

Paul,

          Presuming you install the program, so that your settings changes are saved, many of the things you ask about can be done.

          It would be really helpful to know what version of Windows you're running under and what programs you're trying to use NVDA with in order to be more specific in guidance.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 02:26 pm, Fantasy Sports wrote:

1. I've noticed it speaks very fast, too fast for me to understand what
it is saying. Is there a way to change how fast it speaks, or will
this automatically change when you buy a new voice for it.

             If you happen to be running under Windows 10, and your purpose for using NVDA is primarily to have things read to you so that you can listen rather than trying to read them yourself, I would strongly suggest that you change your synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API-5 and your Voice to one of the two that are built into Windows 10 for SAPI-5, David for male voice and Zira for female.  I am presuming you know how to right click on the NVDA icon in the system tray to cause the NVDA menu to come up.  Both of the above settings fall under the Preferences menu.  Synthesizer is under synthesizer and voice is under voice.  The first slider in the Voice dialog is rate.  You can use this to increase or decrease the speech rate, and this is true whatever synthesizer and voice combination you happen to be using.



2. It appears to read just one single line at a time, based on where the
mouse is. Is there a way to make it read entire paragraphs at a time,
or to hi-lite paragraphs for it to read? Or to make it read everything
below a certain point on the screen, for multiple paragraphs?

So far in my playing with this the answer depends on the program, but someone who uses NVDA as their primary access method may be able to answer the following question for me, which will help me help you if there is a way:   How does one route the system caret to the mouse position when you're in a web browser?

When I'm in Microsoft Word, for example, I can easily achieve your goal of getting focus to where the mouse is and to continue reading from there.  After I've heard NVDA give the voice output for the line over which it is hovering I can simply click the mouse and the system carat is there (or close to it if I bumped it slightly).  I can get NVDA to Say All from that point by hitting INS+Down Arrow since I'm using the desktop keyboard layout.  It will do exactly what one would expect, keep reading from that point.   However, when I'm in a web browser (and it doesn't matter which one)  the behavior is quite different.  If I'm reading this group on Groups.io, for instance, as I run the mouse down the page it will read the line over which I'm hovering, but when I click it does not move the system caret to that point like it does in Word.  I've also tried the "navigate to the object under the mouse" command, which causes the same text I just heard during hover over to be repeated, but the system carat doesn't move and neither, it seems, does what NVDA has focus on because I generally seem to still have focus on a link at the top of the page that's outside the area that I'm hovering over entirely.  I just cannot seem to figure out how to force the system caret to the mouse location via NVDA and the usual sighted way of clicking where my mouse pointer indicates I am isn't doing it either.



3. It doesn't seem to work very well for Chrome browsers, it has trouble
reading just about everything that is in the Chrome browser actually. Is
there a way to fix this?

                   It's not just for Chrome but the problem is more related to mouse-based use than keyboard based use.  One thing you might want to try is hitting INS+F7, and when the NVDA elements dialog comes up select the Headings radio button to see the various headings in the webpage.  You can then jump to various spots on the page quite easily and have NVDA start reading from there.  This only works, of course, on pages that are coded with headings but that's an awful lot of pages.

                   I'm still trying to figure out a fast and efficient method to read the online archive for any Groups.io group with a screen reader.  It's taking longer than I had expected!

                   There are definite differences in the way someone who's sighted would use screen readers than their target audience does.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Accessible Speed Test

Robert Mendoza
 

Hi, Gene nz and et al,

Yes, that is a good source that I often used when checking the speed performance of your internet. Primarily, this is very useful and non-flash site and likely it is very accessible.


Robert Mendoza
On 4/16/2017 9:55 AM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi



take a look at this page it will do the trick for you.


I will add it to my nvda road tested programs page later on today.


the link to this page is http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6221188582

You need to start the test it is a button and wait until it does both download speed and upload speed which is found down the page a little.


hope it helps.


gene nz




On 16/04/2017 1:46 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,


I just got Ethernet set up, and thought I'd do a speed test... until I found a lot of them were inaccessible. Any suggestions on any speed testers that will owrk on my computer?


Cheers,


Noah Carver




Re: Accessible Speed Test

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi



take a look at this page it will do the trick for you.


I will add it to my nvda road tested programs page later on today.


the link to this page is http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6221188582

You need to start the test it is a button and wait until it does both download speed and upload speed which is found down the page a little.


hope it helps.


gene nz




On 16/04/2017 1:46 PM, Noah Carver via Groups.Io wrote:

Hi,


I just got Ethernet set up, and thought I'd do a speed test... until I found a lot of them were inaccessible. Any suggestions on any speed testers that will owrk on my computer?


Cheers,


Noah Carver



Re: What's new in Stascom Utility Suite version 2017.1.7:

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi



take a look at this page it will do the trick for you.


I will add it to my nvda road tested programs page later on today.


the link to this page is http://beta.speedtest.net/result/6221188582

You need to start the test it is a button and wait until it does both
download speed and upload speed which is found down the page a little.


hope it helps.


gene nz

On 14/01/2017 5:57 PM, Jacques wrote:
Hi All

Apologies to those who receive this as a cross posting.

Please allow me to thank everyone who has contacted me with comments
and suggestions on my program. I am surprised about how many people
around the globe are using the package. I really appreciate all the
feedback.

What's new in Stascom Utility Suite version 2017.1.7:
•Minimum allowed volume can now be specified by the user between 5 and
50 percent,
catering for use of audio induction systems, earphones or amplification;
•when minimum or maximum volume is reached with the volume adjustment
keys, a SAPI5 message will now report the level
percentage, replacing the previously used message boxes;
•When sound recovery is made, a SAPI5 message will report the event,
name of sound card and the time recovery was performed;
•specifying window title exceptions hot key for auto maximising was
removed, it's now a button
in the configuration window under auto maximising options;
•day / night volume adjustment will default to disabled with a new
installation. If enabled in a previous installation,
the old setting will be honoured;
•added hot keys for typing accented and other special characters;
•when Stascom is active, the desktop shortcut will open the program
menu, similar to pressing control+Windows+M;
•added an option to announce time on the quarter hour;
•added an option to change the chime sounds used for time announcements;
•simplified configuration window interface;
•Enhanced summary report;
•fixed a problem where status messages occasionally were spoken twice
on slower processors;
•fixed a bug where "on the half hour time announcements were spoken
after the last active hour of the day;
•fixed a bug where volume, if manually changed after pre-defined
night-time, did not adjust to night-volume at midnight;
•fixed a bug where the installer on some configurations did not
recognise a previous installation;
•fixed a bug where some previously defined settings were not retained
after an update;
•fixed appdata and Windows temp folder entries in the Windows
applications and settings hot key;
•users of versions prior to 2017.1.7, please read the heading on
changes in the latest version in the user guide;
•first time users, please read the installation instructions in the
user guide on my web site prior to installing.

http://www.stascom.co.za


Accessible Speed Test

 

Hi,


I just got Ethernet set up, and thought I'd do a speed test... until I found a lot of them were inaccessible. Any suggestions on any speed testers that will owrk on my computer?


Cheers,


Noah Carver