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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I imagine his hardware won't support it that is why.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


You can get windows 10 for free from Microsoft if your visually impaired. Why not do that instead of getting and 10-year-old operating system and then expecting the developer to keep supporting it for thousands of dollars more to their expense then you getting a free windows 10 and staying up-to-date.

David Tanner

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On Aug 31, 2017, at 3:37 AM, Stephen <whocrazy@internode.on.net> wrote:

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I don't think this tone is helpful here.
I do know many people who are stuck on xp. However the functionality I get from nvda 2017.3 and indeed snaps up to when next crashed is far better than any screenreader I had previously, so why should I complain. All my clunkers will bite the dust eventually and till then i can use them as stores and for other non critical tasks.

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For as many years as you have been using NVDA in technology I would think you should understand by now the price that it cost so developer to keep supporting a 10-year-old operating system which has even less and less relevant with the software that is now available. For the cost that you can purchase a windows 10 computer it would be smarter for you to buy a new computer for 100 or $200 then to expect in the Valtr to spend thousands of extra dollars supporting a 10-year-old operating system

David Tanner

From my iPhone 7

On Aug 31, 2017, at 4:46 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

I did point out to Mick that this has been handled badly, as I seem to have been the first to encounter a complete bricking of an xp machine. Its not so much that I mind it happening myself, as obviously we all see fewer and fewer pieces of software allowing use on XP/Vista, but to me, before the pointer had been moved, it should have been [publicised, Indeed, it would have been best to only move Next.
I wonder if there is perhaps some leeway here?
For example, the last Master to support XP could be made into the last version supporting it via some subtle name change, ie nvda20017.3XP, which would be the very last one for xp and kept separate.
Of course if anyone out there with a significant investment in keeping nvda going on XP etc, wanted to make special versions, then I'm assuming that would be fine as long as they themselves handled any security and other reliability and translation issues.
Similarly, add ons that will still run on old versions should be flagged. I'm quite happy if pointed at the right links to test things in XP machines.
Of course this also means that the later versions of NVDA will probably not have the switch that allows them to run on old processors that do not have the sse2 instruction set either.
Could I also ask that versions of snaps running on xp, ie if somebody tries to download one that may not work, be made to just display a message?
The current crash may well brick the machine as it kind of locks things up with no speech till you can get rid of the error box.
Spotting this in the loader should be possible???

Just a few ideas.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Dear NVDA community:



If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the
following statement from NV Access (just published):



* Windows XP
* Windows Server 2003
* Windows Vista
* Windows Server 2008
* Windows 7 without service pack 1



The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-
systems/



Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers received
tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart NVDA
while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but it
used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically, Windows
XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot
guarantee that it'll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many people,
coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above,
coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended support
for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has
decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3
will still be made available for download for people who need to use old
Windows versions.



Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:



* If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic
NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update
checkbox).
* For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding
support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for those
using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next
week).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: NVDA or Firefox issue

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And the search for bookmarks works very well.
I do hope though that when Firefox 56 comes out they fix the focus issue.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue


I like your suggestion Bryan about bookmarks. I rarely use multiple tabs. I have several sites bookmarked.


On 8/31/2017 6:12 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
How much memory has your computer got and are you using the 32 bit or 64 bit version of Firefox?
Might be wise for me to say that 4 gigs is definitely slow compared to 8 when you start opening tabs, escpecially if javascript is active on a fair number of them.
Also some people say the 64 bit version is more capable, but have never tried it as I don't think I would open more than about four on a session.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue


thanks nasrin, but it's not opening any new tabs, just jumping me over to one of my other open tabs. Brian may well be right that I just have too many open! They are all tabs that I currently need to keep an eye on, so to speak. They are a mixture of information that I need as I prepare my Masters application, my social media (Twitter-related and FB), and numerous poetry submissions and competitions that I'm preparing documents for, so they are all 'active' which it's easier to find as an open tab rather than naviogating up and down the bookmarks list every time I want to look back over the info. I've been a huge fan of tabbed browsers ever since the Netcaptor shell for IE, that introduced tabs back in 1995, long before the likes of Opera, Netscape and IE followed suit ... I guess I just got accustomed to haveing a multitude of tabs open! To be fair, apart from the slow process of each tab having to load as I open Firefox and select re-open last browsing session, I don't find Firefox slows down any great extent by having 36 tabs open :)




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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Sorry this is off topic, but my name is often mud or that bloke who won't shut up or indeed my last name is often mis spelled. OuI You is probably best. grin

I had not noticed his different name in words and email till you mentioned it.

Lets all lighten up eh?

I do understand where he comes from on this, as he wants to help but has problems getting a newer system. I will say this though, Windows 7 in my opinion is still better than 10. However the potential of 10 is very good. I just hope they stop bringing out so many different incarnations as complete rebuilds.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Why don't you change the "name" entry in your email client so that it shows
your correct name, followed by your email address, then we would know what it
is and use it.

Currently you appear as: "nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>" therefore
people think your name is Nasrin.

I hope that helps,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 18:15:46, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi bhavya.
thanks very much for calling my real name in your second message!
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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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No me neither, I think people are getting two things confused.
1. there is a known bug in some versions of Open office and for that matter demo versions of Microsoft Office that altered DLL files are removed but the old ones not re registered with the system. this causes browse mode not to work as nvda cannot see the access info for many browsers
2 the problem of late has been that if nvda is rebooted, say after an upgrade and firefox is running, the iaccessible 2 API is locked out. It has other problems as well and in the most serious cases needs a complete reboot of windows. However 7 and up do actually basically provide a way to access this api via another more secure and preferred route but its a piece of code not in xp or vista.
This is not going to be the only issue like this either, so you can see that you are between a rock and a hard place. Do you live with the bug due to xp code not allowing it to be sorted without rebooting or use the new code and basically crash nvda when its run on xp. Remember it has to initialise this code at start up.
OK this is a gross over simplification and I had to give up trying to really understand it from the code this morning at about 3 of clock but I think that is the gist of it!

I think Mick originally assumed he had done a work around but when that started to crash nvda on xp as well he made a decision I think.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Hi Nasrin,
Gene raised a valid point. Since you have explicitly stated on
multiple occasions that you wish to use NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2
forever and never upgrade, why the passionate opposition to this
decision? In case NVDA version 2017.1 or 2017.2 with Windows XP is the
software setup you desire to use forever, I can assure you that this
option will remain unaffected. Also, I am unable to figure out the
corelation of the uninstallation of OpenOffice with the Firefox browse
mode bug being referred to here. Please clarify.
Thanks.

On 8/31/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
anthony, i realy cant use newer versions of windows.
i should and wish to use xp forever!
i should fulfill my duty and do the only thing that i can and its better.
so, its not important for me which programs stop xp, i can use my
current versions forever!
these versions support xp and newer versions of windows, even some
programs support older versions than xp!
so, for me was important to know the relationship between supporting
of xp and browse mode not available!
i realy dont understand and i myself, did not have this problem,
except one time that i uninstalled openoffice!

On 8/31/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@gmail.com> wrote:
change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and
reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued
support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many
other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer
runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The
Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very inefficient
to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important
issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards,
and
I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You have
to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over
time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well
for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade
from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad
news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run
under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system
which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software
will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run
and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions
of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

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Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

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version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service
pack
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Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
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Re: Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop

Gene
 

I said entity because I have no idea who owns it now.  It's probably a company but since I didn't know, I said entity.
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 1:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop

Well entity?
 It sounds exactly like it even to the lisp!
 I got mine on an old cd called Home Page reader by IBM it was a freebie.
Goes back a very long way!

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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop


Via Voice isn't Eloquence.  it is similar in sound and performance, but it
isn't the same program and isn't owned by the same entity.

Gene
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I've not noticed this on any of the legal Eloquence drivers, even the old
sapi 4 one called via voice. I agree that old hacked one was rubbish but
anyone using that still would probably have no hair left by now. smiley.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop


> hi.
> this may be caused by an old version of elequence.
> before you update switch to espeak then upgrade and then switch back.
> also do a restart of your laptop.
> i dont mean shutdown and restart.
> i mean a full restart.
>
> On 8/31/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hmmm did you try to alt tab a few times.
>>
>> Sometimes I get a uac prompt, usually it pops up but if I for example
>> have more than a couple windows open then it may be hidden.
>>
>> The trick is to know how long something should take to download and if
>> you heard the completed sound or think it should be well should be, then
>> you need to alt tab.
>>
>> On the other hand, the other way you can handle this is download the
>> main exe file, close everything window wise and run that.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31/08/2017 6:39 p.m., Akbar S. Currim wrote:
>>> I retried the update with the same result and installation failed.
>>> The update downloaded fine and then stated that my existing copy would
>>> be updated and asked me to click OK which I did.  After that I keep
>>> getting a message saying "please wait-your existing copy of NVDA is
>>> being updated" and this goes on repeating with simultaneous beeps
>>> indefinitely untill finally it says that the update installation
>>> failed.  How do I get over this problem?  Should I remove the existing
>>> copy of NVDA and install a fresh copy from scratch?
>>>
>>> Alternatively, is it possible to make a portable copy from my other
>>> laptop which has a proper working version and try to reinstall from
>>> that?  In that case if it is possible, then I would be spared from
>>> reconfiguring NVDA all over again to suit my needs.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Akbar
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/29/17, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...> wrote:
>>>> I got no such notification on either of the laptops.  Anyway I will
>>>> try your suggestion tomorrow as I am travelling now.  Will get back to
>>>> you after that with the result.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> Akbar
>>>>
>>>> On 8/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>>>> When you go to install a program, Windows pops up a dialog advising
>>>>> that
>>>>> you are about to change the system and you need to accept that before
>>>>> you
>>>>> can install the program.  Sometimes this dialog appears behind other
>>>>> windows.  In that case, you may need to alt+tab to it if it doesn't
>>>>> seem
>>>>> to
>>>>> appear.
>>>>>
>>>>> That is usually the reason for this kind of problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Quentin.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I tried to install NVDA17.3 on my HP laptop and although I could
>>>>>> download the new version without any difficulty and also after
>>>>>> clicking to install it when I got the message to do so the
>>>>>> configuring
>>>>>> progress went on and on for at least 20 minutes and after that I got
>>>>>> an error message saying that the installation failed.  I tried the
>>>>>> same thing three times with the same result.  Could someone please
>>>>>> enlighten me as to what is happening and how I could remedy the same.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incidentally I had no problem updating NVDA on my second laptop which
>>>>>> is an Asus.  Both laptops are running Win 10 duly updated to the
>>>>>> latest version.  On the second laptop the installation took only a
>>>>>> few
>>>>>> minutes and there was no problem at all.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I give below the log I received for the installation failure.  Any
>>>>>> help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Akbar
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Log for failure:
>>>>>> INFO - __main__ (10:41:42.874):
>>>>>> Starting NVDA
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.140):
>>>>>> Config dir: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda
>>>>>> INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:41:43.140):
>>>>>> Loading config: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
>>>>>> NVDA version 2017.3
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
>>>>>> Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
>>>>>> Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
>>>>>> 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
>>>>>> Using comtypes version 0.6.2
>>>>>> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Loaded synthDriver eloquence
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
>>>>>> INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Braille input initialized
>>>>>> INFO - braille.initialize (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Using liblouis version 3.2.0
>>>>>> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:41:43.940):
>>>>>> Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
>>>>>> WARNING - core.main (10:41:43.994):
>>>>>> Java Access Bridge not available
>>>>>> INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:41:43.994):
>>>>>> UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
>>>>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:45.861):
>>>>>> NVDA initialized
>>>>>> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.197):
>>>>>> Failed to execute installer
>>>>>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>>>>>    File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
>>>>>>    File "config\__init__.pyo", line 182, in execElevated
>>>>>>    File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
>>>>>> WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
>>>>>> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.198):
>>>>>> Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the
>>>>>> user.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: NVDA or Firefox issue

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  I use the book mark menu when convenient.  If I can get to something faster nby first letter navigation because of its position in the menu or if I can up arrow a small number of times to get to something that is more convenient than using search.  there are many times when search is more convenient.  I have no strange occurrences when using the menu.
 
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue

And as I found, it does not then go dashing off until you actually finish
the selection. In the bookmark menu some strange things can happen.

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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue


you don't have to navigate the bookmark list in Firefox.  Firefox has a
search book marks feature.

Open it with control I.  type the name or any part of the name, then tab to
the list of results.  If you type a unique word in the name of the book
mark, there will only be that one result.  Select the book mark by down
arrowing, then up arrowing if you are already on it to start with and press
enter.  The page will load.  Then, close the book mark search with control
I.

The search for book marks feature is very useful if you have a lot of book
marks and they aren't convenient to get to by moving through the list.
Also, the search function searches all book marks so it doesn't matter how
they are organized insofar as what folders they may be in.  the search
function searches everything.

Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue


thanks nasrin, but it's not opening any new tabs, just jumping me over to
one of my other open tabs. Brian may well be right that I just have too many
open! They are all tabs that I currently need to keep an eye on, so to
speak. They are a mixture of information that I need as I prepare my Masters
application, my social media (Twitter-related and FB), and numerous poetry
submissions and competitions that I'm preparing documents for, so they are
all 'active' which it's easier to find as an open tab rather than
naviogating up and down the bookmarks list every time I want to look back
over the info. I've been a huge fan of tabbed browsers ever since the
Netcaptor shell for IE, that introduced tabs back in 1995, long before the
likes of Opera, Netscape and IE followed suit ... I guess I just got
accustomed to haveing a multitude of tabs open! To be fair, apart from the
slow process of each tab having to load as I open Firefox and select re-open
last browsing session, I don't find Firefox slows down any great extent by
having 36 tabs open :)




Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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The issue is this.
The problem only occurs on newer versions of windows. and the way round it is to use code that is only in newer versions of windows. If you cannot use that routine on xp then it will break.
I guess one could, this time do a work around to detect xp and act accordingly, but since the new browse mode code has to keep on checking and using a different routine it would be very hard to get it to work and I'd also suspect a speed penalty.


You have to look at nvda just as you look at Firefox and older versions of other software. There comes a time when systems are so divergent that to make one version to do all is not possible. It then becomes a nightmare of having several versions to take care of and track what add ons work in what etc.
I agree, its a great shame and I don't want it either, but if you read the posts you will see how nv Access has moved mountains to keep it going up to now, so please remember that resources are not a bottomless pit, and anyway, if you can find people interested, being open source it can be tweaked if folk want it.
its beyond me. I'm a simple so all and though I understand a lot of how things are done, I'm no ace programmer or knowledgeable enough to know how to get at APIs etc and make it secure and not a back door for the hackers.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


anthony, i realy cant use newer versions of windows.
i should and wish to use xp forever!
i should fulfill my duty and do the only thing that i can and its better.
so, its not important for me which programs stop xp, i can use my
current versions forever!
these versions support xp and newer versions of windows, even some
programs support older versions than xp!
so, for me was important to know the relationship between supporting
of xp and browse mode not available!
i realy dont understand and i myself, did not have this problem,
except one time that i uninstalled openoffice!

On 8/31/17, kavein thran <kaveinthran@gmail.com> wrote:
change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued
support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer
runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very inefficient
to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards, and
I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You have
to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over
time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well
for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade
from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad
news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software
will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

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Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack
1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
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Re: Nvda OCR should allow user to add new character

Muklesur Rahman
 

And in the same time nvda ocr should have option to scan image
directly from a scanner but if this scanning image is unknown to nvda
ocr, it should allow user to recognize it by using unicode character
and then it should convert to ms word automatically or allow user to
select and copy the text to save in a desired file.
Thank you.

On 9/1/17, The Wolf <hank.smith966@gmail.com> wrote:
what about interacting with the text like you can do with jaws ocr?

like you can left click on a certain part of the ocr imager and have it
activate the control?

thanks

Hank



On 8/31/2017 3:15 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I'm not quite clear on what you are asking for? The way the OCR works
is that you can scan an image (which has some text somewhere in it)
and the OCR feature will find the text in the image and present it to
you to read. It works in various languages but it does not, of
itself, translate text. You can translate text with several services,
including Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Muklesur Rahman <muklesju@gmail.com
<mailto:muklesju@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello community, I am sharing my idea. If it is wrong, let me
correct.
I think, as Nvda has an ocr, it should allow user to add new
character
in the input by scanning an image of the character and add an output
according to the user's desire. I think, if this process is possible
to apply, any one will be able to add any language with ocr.
I don't know, if any ocr software provides this opportunity to it's
user or not. However, if you know, please advice.
Thank you all.






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Re: NVDA or Firefox issue

Giles Turnbull
 

Thanks Brian, Gene and nasrin. To comment / answer / thank each in turn,

Brian, I have quite a powerful Asus gaming laptop with 8Gb Ram and a 1TB drive. Obviously  when I open Firefox it takes a while for all those tabs to load up, but onece they're open I find it a pretty quick process to simply use Shift+Tab to cycle forwards through the open tabs and CTRL+SHift+Tab to cycle backwards. I have these tabs open all the time until I'm done with them, so don't find it much slower than any other means of navigating. I use Firefox 32 bit.

Gene, I have never tried using the bookmarks search option so I will give that a try now and, I may well like doing that and use it sometimes. I don't have a great memory for names of tabs so some may be easy to search for and others may not.

nasrin, that is great news to hear that loading lots of tabs is set to get much faster in NVDA 17.4 :)

Giles


Re: Anyone else found that every check for updates on snap channels is screwed today?

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Well you now I assume know what is going on.
Not much to say, except that it had to happen sooner or later.

I think Jamie has been doing great work on keeping the xp system going, and I don't think that any new recruits will have his experiences from the past of xp.
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From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone else found that every check for updates on snap channels is screwed today?


brian, could you please send the reported bug which is mention nvda
17.4 does not support xp?
thanks.

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Tis has been superseded. I wrote some messages on the dev list and raised a

ticket about xp installs, and it transpires that the only way to fix a
problem with Firefox and potentially other browsers will be to use calls to

parts of windows during initialisation which xP does not possess, and
neither does Vista.

I cannot say I'm surprised as the list of companies which now present a
message that you cannot install this on xp when you run their updates is
growing by the day.
Firefox
Dropbox
K-lite codec pack
Most newer versions of Ccleaner crash when xp and old amd processors are in

use.
I'm sure there are many many more of these.

Firefox on xp is stuck at maintained release 52 or 48 for amd chipped
machines.


The only widespread use of xp I know of in the corporate sense is in the UK

NHS, but this is only on machines that run special hardware for diagnostic
equipment like ultrasound scanners. Most of the NHS now uses Windows 7.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 10:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anyone else found that every check for updates on snap
channels is screwed today?


hi,

Works fine here.


On 8/31/2017 5:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It seems no matter which branch I run, master, next or rc, the update
presented suggests its the release version, ie 2017.3.
How weird is that?
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Re: Firefox Alerts

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Yes but most announce, for me at least that they have keyboard shortcuts, so I never have to actually go there.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox Alerts


When such announcements are announced, use control l to move to the address bar. That is near the part of the Firefox window where such announcements are made. I don't recall if you tab or shift tab to get to the controls regarding the announcement but I think you shift tab one or more times. You may see an option and if you alt tab further, or perhaps its before the option, I don't recall, you may see something like a button to open a menu regarding the option. This is a long unaddressed lack in Firefox accessibility, that focus isn't moved to the announcement field and that there is no short cut command in NVDA to move focus there.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: kelby carlson
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 8:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Alerts


Hello,


I'm having an issue with Firefox when it announces an alert. It will
anounce the alert and give me several options. But it won't announce any
shortcut keys to activate the options, nor have I found a way to see the
buttons in the alert. Any solution is appreciated.


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I think my only regret is thatthere could be some computer users in parts of the world where what they have is an old xp machine and no prospect of anything else.
As I have said though. the current nvda is very good and if there are things people want enough, I'm sure someone could madke it work. Unfortunately for most software now, you need better hardware, and as you say, NVDA has to make those a joy to use.
Its a shame it could not have ended cleanly at the end of this year. and I have to say, I've not encountered the issue that broke ti this time, but that does not mean its not needed.
I think Windows 10 constantly changing the goal posts has a lot to do with this, and of course its very much based on the legacy of windows 7 code, still.
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


change is constant, and only if we are ready to adapt, we can
progress, I fully wellcome this. In result of this transformation, we
can adapt newer codes and modern programming methods.

thanks

On 8/31/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long standing
problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and reload
and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be available.
This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be
annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued support
for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many other
reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer runs
in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The Drop
Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very inefficient to
work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important issue.
And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop
support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a
public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards, and I
would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You have to
use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over time
in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You will
still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable and
which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well for
quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade from
17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad news
for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version
to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system which
ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software will

not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run and
will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher versions

of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version should

continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing this
as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

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Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

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From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@internode.on.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack
1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
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Re: NVDA and Windows older versions

Lino Morales
 

Yes. They will just keep adding new features.

On 8/31/2017 2:25 PM, Arlene wrote:
That's right. I'm learning what I can before I dive into Ten. I know sooner or later 7 is not going to be supported! Is windows ten the last version of windows that Microsoft will make?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lino Morales
Sent: August-31-17 10:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Windows older versions

Amen Carlos! Now for coperate America should read your post cause they themselves use XP. I.E major banks.


On 8/31/2017 1:45 PM, Carlos wrote:
Hello All:

I can't believe the level of "whining" that is going on in regards
to NVDA dropping support for older versions of Windows!

Can't you people understand that it has become a great security
risk to keep on supporting versions of Windows which Microsoft
themselves will no longer support and recommend that users of older
versions to upgrade!

You are not only doing harm to your own PC's. But! Every time you
get online with unsecure Windows you are also spreading whatever
viruses are in your PC's throughout the internet!

If you are unable to upgrade for monetary reasons? There are many
ways to buy legal license keys for Windows 7/e/8.1/10.

If you need to upgrade to a new PC? There are several
organizations that sells refurbished PC's for the blind. As well as
for poor people in general!

Here in the U.S. GoodWill, The Salvation Army and Computers for
the Blind sell good computers with Windows 7 installed. I believe the
same applies for the U.K., Asia and other far away land.

If your idea for not upgrading is that you don't want to give your
money to Microsoft? Then turn off your PC and hide under your bed and
hope and pray that Microsoft does not go into the furniture business!

It's all a matter of being a well informed blind person!

You need to get out there and find out all you can so you will be
able to make an well informed decision about which PC is right for you!

Don't be spreading your viruses by using unsecure PC's just
because you are afraid of learning the new technology!!!

I will now get ready by putting on my fire resistant suit as I
begin to read all your flaming posts/replies!

Have lots of fun at my expense!!!





Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

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I mentioned it in my post also. The problem with dropbox web site is these badge thingies which seem to be invisible and in any case its very hard to use it for massive updates via the web interface.
Google drive still works in xp, but not the latest back up version as that crashes most of the time even in 7!

It is however slow, compared to dropbox.


Remember firefox 48 and 52 are where it stops for xp users also. If you have also been following conversations here and on dev groups you will also know that an upgrade to Python 3 and new versions of the toolkits that display menus etc are going to happen early next year and hence, xp is not going to be supported there very well.
It may well be that if you want an nvda to run in xp, that you need just a programmer who can back out of any update that does not run on xp, and then things will work, but what you may also be able to do is design add ons that do work for some of the bits you cannot do in the main code in any case.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


nasrin

It wasn't that browse mode wouldn't run. there has been a long standing problem that, if NVDA freezes and runs again, or if you unload and reload and rerun NVDA when a browser is opened, browse mode won't be available. This necessitates closing and opening the browser again, which can be annoying. The developers want to correct this problem but continued support for XP makes it much harder to do. And, as you see, there are many other reasons to discontinue support. One significant program that no longer runs in XP is Drop Box, which wasn't mentioned in Antony's comments. The Drop Box site isn't fully accessible and its design makes it very inefficient to work with using a browser. For many users that's a very important issue. And at some point, I don't know when, antimalware designers will drop support for XP. Fortunately, many haven't done so yet and may not as a public service for quite some time, but it will happen at some point.

Modern peripherals, printers, scanners, perhaps external sound cards, and I would think others I haven't thought of, no longer support XP. You have to use old ones, which are going to become increasingly hard to find over time in the used market and increasingly less reliable as they age. You will still be able to use the current version of XP which is very capable and which will meett many peoples' needs who use XP well or reasonably well for quite some time. And I recall you saying you didn't intend to upgrade from 17.2 ever because its so wonderful. So why do you say this is such bad news for you? You don't even intend to use the latest available version.

Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Antony Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system which ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software will
not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52 (March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run and will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher versions
of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version should
continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing this as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

On 8/31/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@internode.on.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
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Re: Adobe Digital

Jitendra Kumar
 

it is lucifox, and yes for mayank, you can use your screen-reader's
jump to line or placemarker feature to return to and set a location.
since the content is in virtual buffer, try selecting the text and see
what it brings.

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<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
What is it called on the add on store?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jitendra Kumar" <jeet.invincible@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Digital


Just for information: if any of you use firefox, an extension epub
reader is a great thing, and it has next and previous chapter buttons,
and the layout is divided in frames, the first frame is the navigation
pane, second is the main document and last for next and previous
buttons.
it is very accessible, and you can open any epub file using open file
dialog from the firefox.
Hth, thank you.

On 8/30/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
Mostly because calibre uses a *lot* of resources, and when I extract the
epub files, I don't use any resources at all just clicking on them
(well, on the first one), to load it into my browser, after that, the
only thing I need to change is the last 1 or 2 digits in the address
bar, and that's real simple. I only change the names of the files to
make it easier for me, it's actually not necessary.

And, besides, why should I convert html to html, it's a waste of time.
The epub books are already html format, and I see no reason to use a 3rd
party program to simply make their names more convenient for myself,
when I can do that myself.


On 8/29/2017 4:15 PM, Rob wrote:
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
It's a lot easier for me to change a number in the address bar of my
browser to move through the pages/chapters than it is to hunt around on
some inaccessible interface, trying to find the previous and next
links.
Um, why not just use Calibre (which is cross platform too, by the way)
to
convert .epub to .htmlz and read it that way. No skipping around in the
address bar, with split000.html and split00001.html.








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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Brian,
4% of NVDA users are still on Windows XP.
Thanks.

On 9/1/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Although I'm sad. The writing is on the wall and has been for some time. I
personally do not think too much risk is there for users if you are careful.

The sad fact is that the hoops that one has to jump through to get features

to work on later systems while detecting the earlier ones where it cannot be

implemented is kind of self defeating.
It might be probably better if there are people interested in developing
some extras for nvda in xp and vista, if a dedicated band of programmers do

this as I think I posted earlier today.

I'd have ideally liked to have had a warning first though, so people could
put things in place like changing machines. I do see though that if you look

around the world for machines for second users on the cheap not many are
offered with xp.. You have a lot on 7. I think NV Access know how many
machines are running what systems from what comes back from the downloder
system I'd imagine. After all when you go on web sites these days nearly all

of them tell you what operating system you have and what browser you have
and direct you to the right download. I don't think Nv Access would take
this decision lightly if a significant number still use xp.
However why not set up a mail list for interested XP parties and see what
happens. if enough people are affected, I'm sure nv access would listen to
you.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Yes, this means that NVDA 2017.3 is the last version which will run under
Windows XP.

The browse mode problem is not the only reason for NV Access deciding to
stop
putting effort into making NVDA compatible with an operating system which

ended
mainstream support from Microsoft in 2009 and extended support in 2014.

Microsoft no longer supports Windows XP, and plenty of current software
will
not run under Windows XP. Firefox support for XP stopped at version 52
(March
2017) for example.

It is a significant security risk to continue using Windows XP.

If you do want to continue using XP, NVDA 2017.3 will continue to run and

will
continue to be available if people want to reinstall it, but higher
versions
of NVDA will require features which are only present in later versions of
Windows.

NVDA is open source software, so if enough people think an XP version
should
continue to be developed there is nothing to stop anyone from pursuing
this as
a forked project, but I personally think it is better for the core
developers
to focus their efforts on writing for supported operating systems and
current
machines than being held back by being limited to what XP can do.


Regards,


Antony.

On Thursday 31 August 2017 at 13:34:08, nasrin khaksar wrote:

hi joseph.
its a very very bad news for me.
do you mean that nvda 2017.3 is the last version that xp users can use?
i realy cant understand why continue support of xp, may cause browse
mode not available for people who use firefox!
can you explane me about this?
but please explane me in simple sentences that i can easy understand.
thanks so much.

On 8/31/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io

<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Well I'm going to have to keep my clunkers on xp, since they are too
slow, but basically the current version of nvda is now very capable
indeed so its

not such a loss. I'll probably get thae last master or next snap that
will still work and stop updates there.

Brian

----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen" <whocrazy@internode.on.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last
version

to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack

1

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.
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Re: Nvda OCR should allow user to add new character

 

what about interacting with the text like you can do with jaws ocr?

like you can left click on a certain part of the ocr imager and have it activate the control?

thanks

Hank



On 8/31/2017 3:15 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I'm not quite clear on what you are asking for?  The way the OCR works is that you can scan an image (which has some text somewhere in it) and the OCR feature will find the text in the image and present it to you to read.  It works in various languages but it does not, of itself, translate text.  You can translate text with several services, including Google Translate: http://translate.google.com/

On Wed, Aug 30, 2017 at 2:39 AM, Muklesur Rahman <muklesju@...> wrote:
Hello community, I am sharing my idea. If it is wrong, let me correct.
I think, as Nvda has an ocr, it should allow user to add new character
in the input by scanning an image of the character and add an output
according to the user's desire. I think, if this process is possible
to apply, any one will be able to add any language with ocr.
I don't know, if any ocr software provides this opportunity to it's
user or not. However, if you know, please advice.
Thank you all.






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Re: Firefox Alerts

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

alt a and all that you mean? It is true that there seem to be no buttons, most are short cut keys, but the update ones I think do have buttons but I'm so used to alt a alt r alt u alt lots of others, that I tend to just do it.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "kelby carlson" <kelbycarlson@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 2:23 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Alerts


Hello,


I'm having an issue with Firefox when it announces an alert. It will anounce the alert and give me several options. But it won't announce any shortcut keys to activate the options, nor have I found a way to see the buttons in the alert. Any solution is appreciated.





Re: Adobe Digital

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

What is it called on the add on store?
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
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briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jitendra Kumar" <jeet.invincible@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Adobe Digital


Just for information: if any of you use firefox, an extension epub
reader is a great thing, and it has next and previous chapter buttons,
and the layout is divided in frames, the first frame is the navigation
pane, second is the main document and last for next and previous
buttons.
it is very accessible, and you can open any epub file using open file
dialog from the firefox.
Hth, thank you.

On 8/30/17, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
Mostly because calibre uses a *lot* of resources, and when I extract the
epub files, I don't use any resources at all just clicking on them
(well, on the first one), to load it into my browser, after that, the
only thing I need to change is the last 1 or 2 digits in the address
bar, and that's real simple. I only change the names of the files to
make it easier for me, it's actually not necessary.

And, besides, why should I convert html to html, it's a waste of time.
The epub books are already html format, and I see no reason to use a 3rd
party program to simply make their names more convenient for myself,
when I can do that myself.


On 8/29/2017 4:15 PM, Rob wrote:
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@softcon.com> wrote:
It's a lot easier for me to change a number in the address bar of my
browser to move through the pages/chapters than it is to hunt around on
some inaccessible interface, trying to find the previous and next links.
Um, why not just use Calibre (which is cross platform too, by the way) to
convert .epub to .htmlz and read it that way. No skipping around in the
address bar, with split000.html and split00001.html.








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