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nvda (next 13944,8cd12221) and addon focus highlight (ver 4) in file explorer (win10 1607 - 14393.969 are triggering anerror sound

J.G
 

Hi,


has anyone, who uses nvda with focus highlight addon found next problem:

- start file explorer

- tab to listview

expected: normal navigation

actual: an error sound and nvda does not show a content of folder.

I don't know if this problem exists in earlier versions of nvda but I found it in last next snapshot.

I think that problem is with focus highlight, because when I have disabled this addon, Nvda worked normaly.


Any solution?


Thanks.


regards, Jožef


locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Christo Vorster
 

My take on this discussion is:

 

If you want to use Excel as a database, I fully agree because it is a wonderful tool, much better than Access. For wordprocessing, Word would be the better choice.

 

The bottom line however, I feel that everybody are entitled to use the application of their choice.

 

Regards

 

Christo Vorster (Worcester, South Africa)

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 5:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

As you already know, excel is not a word processor.  It always irks me when folks use excel for document management.  It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking.  There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this.  If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired.

Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium.

 

On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.

 

The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc.  Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.

 

I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it.  But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using

 

Sheri

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.

 



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Last two next snaps will not install on xp

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Re: NVDA changing tab order

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Well who really knows, but I've most certainly had this sort of strangeness with any kind of embedded flash. I have removed flash from many machines now that html5 is being used more and more and its reliable, ie it either works or does not work, non of this buttons in different orders when c going up and down wiht shift tab and no labels etc.
Might one ask why you want flash on the page?
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----- Original Message -----
From: <@JoseP>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 6:57 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA changing tab order


Hi everyone.

I'm making accessible one web application and I'm facing a really weird issue. The application opens a web browser (internet explorer) and navigates through asp pages which have a flash embedded in html.

I have the tabIndex defined in the elements of the flash movies and everything works ok in our test machine.

The problem comes when I switch to a different computer. With NVDA turned off (or turned on in silent mode), the tab order works as intended. When I open NVDA or I disable the silent mode, the tab order is messed up. I've tried in several computers and that happens in all of them, except the test machine which for some reason works ok.

Both machines (the test one which works ok and the ones that fail) are pointing to the same server, so they both use the same asp pages, flash movies etc.

I've also checked both NVDA have the same configuration (I even exported a portable copy of the NVDA working ok and run it in the other machines). Internet explorer and flash also have the same version and configuration.

Any ideas about why this is happening? I've spent a lot of time investigating the issue with no success, so any help would be appreciated. Many thanks.


Re: PHPstorm and NVDA

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Just a thought, are the two java access bridges activated, and also is it supposed to be accessible. I have to say I've not heard of it but having used some Java written apps I know that unless the authors were aware of accessibility almost anything can and does happen!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bogdan Onyshenko" <bogdanus91@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:38 AM
Subject: [nvda] PHPstorm and NVDA


Hello all. Please help. Here is the problem: when I try to use a PHPstorm
IDE by Jetbrains it is written on Java I have a problem with it's editor.
When I start to edit the text write somethin I can't access the previous
text that I wrote one symbol ago or line. In order to be able to read
everythin I have written I have to press Alt+Tab and focus an other window
and go back to the IDE. How can I avoid pressing Alt+Tab and read text
normaly? I have NVDA version 2017.1 and Phpstorm version 2016-3-3.

P.S. Sorry for my bad spelling. I will do my best to improve it.


Beware latest next if you use certain add ons

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At present sound theme editor and focus highlight appear to be affected by the new code for uia.
Its supposed to speed things up, but both of the above add ons use a variable that looks at the position on screen, which is now constructed differently, and hence throws errors every time the add on tries to process the screen position.
I and others have reported this but feel free to add any other add ons or bits of nvda it affects as fixing it will be more solid the more the devs know about what uses the old system.

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locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

Browse mode is implemented indeed for Excel and is very useful in a few situations. One such scenario is when looking for input fields while in browse mode, but a number of other advantages can be explored, no doubt.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Felix G.
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 09:55
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

Hi!

If the intent is to keep the information organized in a table, then Excel is a good choice, not just for numerical data but for any kind of data that has tabular dimensions, headers, columns, you get my meaning.

I have had some good results working with Excel and NVDA. In particular, arrowing to a cell will read its contents and will also read headers if so configured, as was previously mentioned here. I believe even browse mode is implemented for Excel but my memory may be failing me here.

Kind regards,

Felix

 

Arlene <nedster66@...> schrieb am Do., 23. März 2017 um 05:48 Uhr:

Hi, sorry I’m late in this thread. I thought Excel was only used as a spread sheet  not for documents.  Yes, excel can be used with NVDA. I’ve seen it but only as a spread sheet. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: March-22-17 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

As you already know, excel is not a word processor.  It always irks me when folks use excel for document management.  It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking.  There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this.  If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired.

Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium.

 

On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.

 

The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc.  Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.

 

I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it.  But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using

 

Sheri

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.

 



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locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Felix G.
 

Hi!
If the intent is to keep the information organized in a table, then Excel is a good choice, not just for numerical data but for any kind of data that has tabular dimensions, headers, columns, you get my meaning.
I have had some good results working with Excel and NVDA. In particular, arrowing to a cell will read its contents and will also read headers if so configured, as was previously mentioned here. I believe even browse mode is implemented for Excel but my memory may be failing me here.
Kind regards,
Felix

Arlene <nedster66@...> schrieb am Do., 23. März 2017 um 05:48 Uhr:

Hi, sorry I’m late in this thread. I thought Excel was only used as a spread sheet  not for documents.  Yes, excel can be used with NVDA. I’ve seen it but only as a spread sheet. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: March-22-17 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io


Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

As you already know, excel is not a word processor.  It always irks me when folks use excel for document management.  It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking.  There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this.  If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired.

Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium.

 

On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.

 

The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc.  Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.

 

I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it.  But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using

 

Sheri

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.

 



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Re: Reading PDFs

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Unfortunately, many of the pdfs one gets today are untagged and have reading orders set to all worts of things so if columns do vary through the doc, whatever you do with the file will end up wrong either in the order of pages or with no spaces or with columns running together in one long line or increasingly just no text whatsoever as its just a picture.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading PDFs


hello.
if you only need its content, you can open it with firefox.
write the last page number in the spin button which you can type.
then, a little waite and after that, copy all of your text and peist
it in other programs.
if i have one pdf english, i do this or use sumatraPdfReader to open
the pdf file and save it as txt.
i dont use any commercial programs like adobe products for this purpose.
hope that help.
i am very glad to help and God bless you all.

On 3/21/17, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
Dear Listers,

Someone sent me a protected PDF file but I couldn't read it with Adobe
Acrobat Reader XI. There was a message about some DLL file being missing. Is

there anything I can do to get back the DLL file short of reinstalling
Acrobat?

Thanks in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading PDFs

Hi!

I am sorry for this e-mail, but I am little frustrated. Abbii fine
reader isn't well for reading PDF. Those PDFs are manuals in English
language and ofcourse, Mozilla reads PDF very bad.

Also, I have heard, that new version of Adobe acrobat reader isn't very
well accessible.

Please, could You help me?

Thank You!

Marco Oros








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Re: Reading PDFs

 

hello.
if you only need its content, you can open it with firefox.
write the last page number in the spin button which you can type.
then, a little waite and after that, copy all of your text and peist
it in other programs.
if i have one pdf english, i do this or use sumatraPdfReader to open
the pdf file and save it as txt.
i dont use any commercial programs like adobe products for this purpose.
hope that help.
i am very glad to help and God bless you all.

On 3/21/17, Peter Chin <peter.chinpk@...> wrote:
Dear Listers,

Someone sent me a protected PDF file but I couldn't read it with Adobe
Acrobat Reader XI. There was a message about some DLL file being missing. Is

there anything I can do to get back the DLL file short of reinstalling
Acrobat?

Thanks in advance.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marco Oros
Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2017 3:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading PDFs

Hi!

I am sorry for this e-mail, but I am little frustrated. Abbii fine
reader isn't well for reading PDF. Those PDFs are manuals in English
language and ofcourse, Mozilla reads PDF very bad.

Also, I have heard, that new version of Adobe acrobat reader isn't very
well accessible.

Please, could You help me?

Thank You!

Marco Oros







--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Arlene
 

Hi, sorry I’m late in this thread. I thought Excel was only used as a spread sheet  not for documents.  Yes, excel can be used with NVDA. I’ve seen it but only as a spread sheet. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: March-22-17 8:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

As you already know, excel is not a word processor.  It always irks me when folks use excel for document management.  It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking.  There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this.  If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired.

Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium.

 

On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.

 

The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc.  Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.

 

I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it.  But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using

 

Sheri

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.

 



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locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

Talk about rude.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

I'm sorry you feel that way, but with all due respect, I didn't ask if Excel was a good sollution. I asked if Excel, in general, worked with NVDA. Just answer the question.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

As you already know, excel is not a word processor.  It always irks me when folks use excel for document management.  It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking.  There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this.  If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired.

Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium.


On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.
 
The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc.  Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.

 

I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it.  But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using

 

Sheri

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.




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locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Never mind. I got the info I needed. Don't get me wrong here. I get the point you're trying to make, but the way you phrased things honestly was quite short in tone, whether intended or not.
 
Have a good day, and again, thanks, Jacques, for being... civil regarding my question.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Hi.

Just test it and see how it works. Different persons have different results.

On 3/22/17, Jacques <lists4js@...> wrote:
> 1. Column and row headers can be set on the column or row containing the
> headers and will be echoed by NVDA while navigating through cells. The NVDA
> user guide covers this in detail in the section pertaining to Excel.
> 2. As for cell co-ordinates, this can be set to speak while navigating by
> cells. This setting is found under document settings, NVDA+control+d and the
> changes made here can be saved globally or under an Excel specific profile.
> See NVDA user guide for details. Alternatively cell co-ordinates can be
> queried on the fly with NVDA+numpad-delete, which will speak the name of the
> sheet and the cell address which has focus. I believe the latter keystroke
> was added in NVDA 2017.1.
> 3. I can’t think off-hand how one would read the entire row in Excel, but
> that could be because I use Excel for its purpose and not as a database or
> word processor.
>
>
>
> Jacques
>
>
>
>  <https://certification.nvaccess.org/> Visit NVDA certification page here
>
>  <https://www.stascom.co.za/> Open my home page  |
> <mailto:webmaster@...> contact webmaster  |
> <https://www.twitter.com/stassenj> follow on Twitter
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 05:19
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
> extremely elementary questions
>
>
>
> So, I'm confused thoroughly.
>
>
>
> Are you trying to imply that NVDA will not natively read Excel documents
> just by arrowing from one cell to another?
>
> ---
> Christopher Gilland
> Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
>
>
>
> http://www.gshministry.org
> (980) 500-9575
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Louis Maher <mailto:ljmaher@...>
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:54 PM
>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
> extremely elementary questions
>
>
>
> Hello Christopher,
>
>
>
> I would always keep your basic documents in Excel.  When you are required to
> read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
> separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down
> until you see paste as unformatted text.
>
>
>
> Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file.
>
>
>
> You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files.
>
>
>
> Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and
> just read the braille produced from these text formatted files.
>
>
>
> Again, keep your original files in Excel.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Louis Maher
>
> Phone: 713-444-7838
>
> E-mail:  <mailto:ljmaher@...> ljmaher@...
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely
> elementary questions
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which
> will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet
> documents which will be created in Excel.
>
>
>
> I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them
> of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using
> Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
> make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.
>
>
>
> So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but
> more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work
> with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until
> now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance
> to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will,
> then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a
> problem, I just need to know either way.
>
>
>
> As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes
> the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location
> assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
> and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and
> see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
>
>
>
> Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants
> without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one
> I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I
> have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire
> row?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Chris.
>
>
>
>



locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Gene
 

You might not take things so personally or be more temperate in your responses.  I wondered why you were discussing the question since as I recall, you use NVDA.  I thought you just might not have gotten around to trying it yet but even so, I wondered and I thought it perhaps a bit odd that you hadn't tried it.  We aren't mind readers.  Not every slight comment that may be construed as a mild criticism or a bit of slightly critical humor is worth a dramatic explosion.  A comment, perhaps or a mild expression of annoyance perhaps, but this?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Well, excuse me Sir, but your comment is quite rude. Have you ever thought just maybe that I'd only been home from work a matter of 10 to 15 minutes when I wrote that message? Secondly, have you ever thought that maybe... just, maybe... at that time, I didn't have access to a computer that had NVDA installed on it, and that that's why I didn't try? Give this guy a break for crying out loud!
 
I don't know what you find so amusing, in your words, about my previous message, but I'll tell you one thing: your comment definitely wasn't so, with all due respect.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

firstly, NVDA works quite well with Excel. For you to say you have not
had the chance to try Excel with NVDA amuses and puzzles me, because
NVDA is free.

On 3/22/17, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:
> Hello Christopher,
>
>
>
> I would always keep your basic documents in Excel.  When you are required to
> read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
> separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down
> until you see paste as unformatted text.
>
>
>
> Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file.
>
>
>
> You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files.
>
>
>
> Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and
> just read the braille produced from these text formatted files.
>
>
>
> Again, keep your original files in Excel.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Louis Maher
>
> Phone: 713-444-7838
>
> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely
> elementary questions
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which
> will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet
> documents which will be created in Excel.
>
>
>
> I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them
> of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using
> Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
> make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.
>
>
>
> So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but
> more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work
> with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until
> now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance
> to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will,
> then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a
> problem, I just need to know either way.
>
>
>
> As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes
> the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location
> assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
> and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and
> see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
>
>
>
> Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants
> without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one
> I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I
> have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire
> row?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Chris.
>
>
>
>



locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Jacques,
 
You are awesome! Thank you so so much! This is precisely! the info I needed.
 
Have a fantastic day, and thank you for such a thorough response. It is profusely appreciated!
 
God bless.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Jacques
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 12:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

  1. Column and row headers can be set on the column or row containing the headers and will be echoed by NVDA while navigating through cells. The NVDA user guide covers this in detail in the section pertaining to Excel.
  2. As for cell co-ordinates, this can be set to speak while navigating by cells. This setting is found under document settings, NVDA+control+d and the changes made here can be saved globally or under an Excel specific profile. See NVDA user guide for details. Alternatively cell co-ordinates can be queried on the fly with NVDA+numpad-delete, which will speak the name of the sheet and the cell address which has focus. I believe the latter keystroke was added in NVDA 2017.1.
  3. I cant think off-hand how one would read the entire row in Excel, but that could be because I use Excel for its purpose and not as a database or word processor.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 05:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

So, I'm confused thoroughly.

 

Are you trying to imply that NVDA will not natively read Excel documents just by arrowing from one cell to another?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Louis Maher

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

Hello Christopher,

 

I would always keep your basic documents in Excel.  When you are required to read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down until you see paste as unformatted text.

 

Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file.

 

You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files.

 

Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and just read the braille produced from these text formatted files.

 

Again, keep your original files in Excel.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.


locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

Just test it and see how it works. Different persons have different results.

On 3/22/17, Jacques <lists4js@...> wrote:
1. Column and row headers can be set on the column or row containing the
headers and will be echoed by NVDA while navigating through cells. The NVDA
user guide covers this in detail in the section pertaining to Excel.
2. As for cell co-ordinates, this can be set to speak while navigating by
cells. This setting is found under document settings, NVDA+control+d and the
changes made here can be saved globally or under an Excel specific profile.
See NVDA user guide for details. Alternatively cell co-ordinates can be
queried on the fly with NVDA+numpad-delete, which will speak the name of the
sheet and the cell address which has focus. I believe the latter keystroke
was added in NVDA 2017.1.
3. I can’t think off-hand how one would read the entire row in Excel, but
that could be because I use Excel for its purpose and not as a database or
word processor.



Jacques



<https://certification.nvaccess.org/> Visit NVDA certification page here

<https://www.stascom.co.za/> Open my home page |
<mailto:webmaster@...> contact webmaster |
<https://www.twitter.com/stassenj> follow on Twitter





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 05:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions



So, I'm confused thoroughly.



Are you trying to imply that NVDA will not natively read Excel documents
just by arrowing from one cell to another?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries



http://www.gshministry.org
(980) 500-9575

----- Original Message -----

From: Louis Maher <mailto:ljmaher@...>

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few
extremely elementary questions



Hello Christopher,



I would always keep your basic documents in Excel. When you are required to
read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down
until you see paste as unformatted text.



Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file.



You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files.



Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and
just read the braille produced from these text formatted files.



Again, keep your original files in Excel.





Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: <mailto:ljmaher@...> ljmaher@...





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely
elementary questions
Importance: High



Guys,



I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which
will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet
documents which will be created in Excel.



I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them
of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using
Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.



So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but
more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work
with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until
now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance
to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will,
then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a
problem, I just need to know either way.



As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes
the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location
assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and
see that I’m in the, “Name” column?



Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants
without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one
I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I
have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire
row?



Thanks.



Chris.




locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

  1. Column and row headers can be set on the column or row containing the headers and will be echoed by NVDA while navigating through cells. The NVDA user guide covers this in detail in the section pertaining to Excel.
  2. As for cell co-ordinates, this can be set to speak while navigating by cells. This setting is found under document settings, NVDA+control+d and the changes made here can be saved globally or under an Excel specific profile. See NVDA user guide for details. Alternatively cell co-ordinates can be queried on the fly with NVDA+numpad-delete, which will speak the name of the sheet and the cell address which has focus. I believe the latter keystroke was added in NVDA 2017.1.
  3. I cant think off-hand how one would read the entire row in Excel, but that could be because I use Excel for its purpose and not as a database or word processor.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Thursday, 23 March 2017 05:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

So, I'm confused thoroughly.

 

Are you trying to imply that NVDA will not natively read Excel documents just by arrowing from one cell to another?

---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:54 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

 

Hello Christopher,

 

I would always keep your basic documents in Excel.  When you are required to read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down until you see paste as unformatted text.

 

Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file.

 

You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files.

 

Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and just read the braille produced from these text formatted files.

 

Again, keep your original files in Excel.

 

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.


locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I'm sorry you feel that way, but with all due respect, I didn't ask if Excel was a good sollution. I asked if Excel, in general, worked with NVDA. Just answer the question.
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

As you already know, excel is not a word processor.  It always irks me when folks use excel for document management.  It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking.  There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this.  If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired.

Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium.


On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.
 
The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc.  Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.

 

I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it.  But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using

 

Sheri

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.




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locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

As you already know, excel is not a word processor.  It always irks me when folks use excel for document management.  It's like nobody knows it's a spreadsheet program, and millions of other tools exist to handle documents, including formatting to one's liking.  There's zero reasons to use excel for document management, and it's just a sad state of affairs that folks still do this.  If it were me, I'd be campaigning strongly for a change in venue, since typically, it's generally best to use a program for it's intended purpose instead of shoehorning it into a role it was never meant to fill, but that's just my take on things, feel free to ignore as desired.

Just saying, excel is a horrible tool to use, just because formatting is a premium.


On 3/22/2017 11:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
That's way more work than necessary! And, with the platform we're using, we *can't* use Word, nor do text.
 
The files absolutely *MUST!* be in Excel format.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

You could copy and paste the content into a Word doc.  Once it’s in a word doc, you can convert the table to text which would simplify everything greatly, but still keep it lined up.

 

I don’t have any personal experience with NVDA and Excel, but someone who works for me who is blind hates it.  But all the things he has complained about (drop down boxes, comments, totals changing when content changes etc.) you probably wouldn’t be using

 

Sheri

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions
Importance: High

 

Guys,

 

I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet documents which will be created in Excel.

 

I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.

 

So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will, then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a problem, I just need to know either way.

 

As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and see that I’m in the, “Name” column?

 

Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire row?

 

Thanks.

 

Chris.




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locked Re: Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Well, excuse me Sir, but your comment is quite rude. Have you ever thought just maybe that I'd only been home from work a matter of 10 to 15 minutes when I wrote that message? Secondly, have you ever thought that maybe... just, maybe... at that time, I didn't have access to a computer that had NVDA installed on it, and that that's why I didn't try? Give this guy a break for crying out loud!
 
I don't know what you find so amusing, in your words, about my previous message, but I'll tell you one thing: your comment definitely wasn't so, with all due respect.
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Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely elementary questions

firstly, NVDA works quite well with Excel. For you to say you have not
had the chance to try Excel with NVDA amuses and puzzles me, because
NVDA is free.

On 3/22/17, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...> wrote:
> Hello Christopher,
>
>
>
> I would always keep your basic documents in Excel.  When you are required to
> read them, you first select the rows and columns you want to read, open a
> separate word file, and in the word file, hit alt+control+ v, and arrow down
> until you see paste as unformatted text.
>
>
>
> Another way is to simply copy the rows and columns into a text file.
>
>
>
> You can rapidly traverse the text representation in these files.
>
>
>
> Please note that it is especially helpful to have a Braille printer, and
> just read the braille produced from these text formatted files.
>
>
>
> Again, keep your original files in Excel.
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Louis Maher
>
> Phone: 713-444-7838
>
> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
> Christopher-Mark Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2017 5:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Incredibly basic Excel functionality, and a few extremely
> elementary questions
> Importance: High
>
>
>
> Guys,
>
>
>
> I just have taken on a new position at my church. One of the things which
> will be required of me on a very regular basis is to read spreadsheet
> documents which will be created in Excel.
>
>
>
> I should make it very clear that these files will not have anything in them
> of numerical value, nor have any formulas. The only reason they are using
> Excel is to keep things neetly organized in both rows and columns, and to
> make sure that things accessibly line up correctly.
>
>
>
> So, being that we are not using Excel for the mathematical side of it, but
> more just for very basic organization, I’m curious how well NVDA will work
> with Excel, seeing that I honestly haven’t really used it heavily up until
> now. It seems to work very very well with JAWS, but I’ve not had the chance
> to try it with NVDA. If this doesn’t work, which I’m sure it probably will,
> then I’m going to have to work with them on another sollution, which isn’t a
> problem, I just need to know either way.
>
>
>
> As for my few questions, provided that the lady who does the documents makes
> the first row of columns specifically be headers, like, name, location
> assighment, etc, then is there a way, say, I then went to the next row down
> and saw Chris Gilland, could I somehow query the header of that column and
> see that I’m in the, “Name” column?
>
>
>
> Secondly, is there a way to have excel report the current cell coordinants
> without the need for me to focus on another cell, then move back to the one
> I initially was in thereby forcing NVDA to speak them? And finally, can I
> have NVDA read not just one cell at a time, but instead read me the entire
> row?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Chris.
>
>
>
>