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Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I did point out to Mick that this has been handled badly, as I seem to have been the first to encounter a complete bricking of an xp machine. Its not so much that I mind it happening myself, as obviously we all see fewer and fewer pieces of software allowing use on XP/Vista, but to me, before the pointer had been moved, it should have been [publicised, Indeed, it would have been best to only move Next.
I wonder if there is perhaps some leeway here?
For example, the last Master to support XP could be made into the last version supporting it via some subtle name change, ie nvda20017.3XP, which would be the very last one for xp and kept separate.
Of course if anyone out there with a significant investment in keeping nvda going on XP etc, wanted to make special versions, then I'm assuming that would be fine as long as they themselves handled any security and other reliability and translation issues.
Similarly, add ons that will still run on old versions should be flagged. I'm quite happy if pointed at the right links to test things in XP machines.
Of course this also means that the later versions of NVDA will probably not have the switch that allows them to run on old processors that do not have the sse2 instruction set either.
Could I also ask that versions of snaps running on xp, ie if somebody tries to download one that may not work, be made to just display a message?
The current crash may well brick the machine as it kind of locks things up with no speech till you can get rid of the error box.
Spotting this in the loader should be possible???

Just a few ideas.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 5:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1


Dear NVDA community:



If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the
following statement from NV Access (just published):



* Windows XP
* Windows Server 2003
* Windows Vista
* Windows Server 2008
* Windows 7 without service pack 1



The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-
systems/



Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers received
tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart NVDA
while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but it
used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically, Windows
XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot
guarantee that it'll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many people,
coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above,
coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended support
for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has
decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3
will still be made available for download for people who need to use old
Windows versions.



Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:



* If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic
NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update
checkbox).
* For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding
support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for those
using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next
week).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA SOUNDS

Gene
 

At some point there will be new sounds and people will be able to choose which sounds they want, the new sounds or the sounds being used    now.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA SOUNDS

any news new sounds coming 2NVDA

On 8/30/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
> Don't get them from that site.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mr.
> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 1:32 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA SOUNDS
>
> how much are the voices are there free or blindhelp.net or I get a discount
>
> On 8/30/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> I don't know anything about this site. the problem often is that the
>> uninitiated are probably not aware what is and what is not an
>> infringement of copyright etc.
>> Some, in poorer countries may indeed not particularly care, and I'd
>> not want
>>
>> to slam them in gaol for that particularly. I'll just say be careful
>> and watch out for malware and do not ask questions here about anything
>> that is definitely illegal, as NVDA moderators will probably ban you
>> if you do it a
>>
>> lot as they HAVE to keep the list clean and their reputation good or
>> nobody
>>
>> will donate money for developments for NVDA.
>>  Just saying.
>>  Brian
>>
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2017 5:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA SOUNDS
>>
>>
>> You shouldn't be downloading something that's illegal.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mr.
>> Chikodinaka Nickarandidum Oguledo
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 8:13 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA SOUNDS
>>
>> don't I get vocalizer for free thru www.blindhelp.net
>>
>> On 8/29/17, Scott VanDeWalle <scottvandewalle2@...> wrote:
>>> Going to go there and try to find this ad-on since I’d be interested
>>> in possible new nvda sounds, just for a change of pace..  smile.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>>>
>>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 4:23 AM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA SOUNDS
>>>
>>> I use Quincy, but then I would since I made it in the first place.
>>>  On sounds, did I nott see an add on that allowed other sounds on the
>>> ad on
>>>
>>> site. I believe eventually the idea is to make this type of  option
>>> part of
>>>
>>> nvda. At the moment its awkward as on a standard install, the update
>>> overwrites th sound files in nvda. but there is noting stopping you
>>> form fiddling with them on the current install. they are in a folder
>>> called waves
>>>
>>> in the main nvda folder in program fiiles (x86)  Brian
>>>
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>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2017 3:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA SOUNDS
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't mind the sounds myself. The Max voice in espeak is pretty
>>> easy to understand for me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>> Vanessa
>>>
>>> Ochoa via Groups.Io
>>> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2017 4:05 PM
>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA SOUNDS
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> hi how many of you do not like the sounds in nvda i personally do not
>>> like the sounds and I would like to create sound packages to
>>> distribute them to users who like me do not like the sounds in nvda i
>>> like nvda but i do not like the sounds what do you all think about
>>> that i really want to help people who like me are anoyd of the sounds
>>> that come with nvda
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> for if you persavear. you will conker never fear. try try try again
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Re: Anyone else found that every check for updates on snap channels is screwed today?

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Works fine here.

On 8/31/2017 5:53 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It seems no matter which branch I run, master, next or rc, the update presented suggests its the release version, ie 2017.3.
How weird is that?
Brian

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Re: service pack one

Peter Beasley
 

I just checked and I also have it.
 

From: Arlene
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 6:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] service pack one
 

Nevermind. I do have service pack one. I just typed winver and it said I have it.


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Stephen
 

Oh well, I guess I'll have to upgrade to w7 fully now.
It was fun while it lasted.


Re: NVDA or Firefox issue

Giles Turnbull
 

thanks nasrin, but it's not opening any new tabs, just jumping me over to one of my other open tabs. Brian may well be right that I just have too many open! They are all tabs that I currently need to keep an eye on, so to speak. They are a mixture of information that I need as I prepare my Masters application, my social media (Twitter-related and FB), and numerous poetry submissions and competitions that I'm preparing documents for, so they are all 'active' which it's easier to find as an open tab rather than naviogating up and down the bookmarks list every time I want to look back over the info. I've been a huge fan of tabbed browsers ever since the Netcaptor shell for IE, that introduced tabs back in 1995, long before the likes of Opera, Netscape and IE followed suit ... I guess I just got accustomed to haveing a multitude of tabs open! To be fair, apart from the slow process of each tab having to load as I open Firefox and select re-open last browsing session, I don't find Firefox slows down any great extent by having 36 tabs open :)


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
 

yes.
but havent used 7 in a long long time almost 4 years so forgot if it
truly does that.
however it does.
if you type winver in the run dialog and if it says build 6701 or
something it was an 01 build then you have sp1.
if it says 00 in the last 2 digits then no sp1

On 8/31/17, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Arlene,
I believe entering 'winver' in the Run dialog should present the
required information.
Thanks.

On 8/31/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there: How can you find out if you have service pack one in your
windows
7 box? I think I may have it. but would like to know where you would have
it? Thanks and have a good day!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Joseph
Lee
Sent: August-30-17 9:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version
to
support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1



Dear NVDA community:



If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the
following statement from NV Access (just published):



* Windows XP
* Windows Server 2003
* Windows Vista
* Windows Server 2008
* Windows 7 without service pack 1



The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-
systems/



Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers
received
tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart
NVDA
while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but
it
used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically,
Windows
XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot
guarantee that it'll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many
people,
coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above,
coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended
support
for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has
decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3
will still be made available for download for people who need to use old
Windows versions.



Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:



* If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic
NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update
checkbox).
* For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding
support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for
those
using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next
week).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph




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Re: Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop

Austin Pinto <austinpinto.xaviers@...>
 

hi.
this may be caused by an old version of elequence.
before you update switch to espeak then upgrade and then switch back.
also do a restart of your laptop.
i dont mean shutdown and restart.
i mean a full restart.

On 8/31/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

Hmmm did you try to alt tab a few times.

Sometimes I get a uac prompt, usually it pops up but if I for example
have more than a couple windows open then it may be hidden.

The trick is to know how long something should take to download and if
you heard the completed sound or think it should be well should be, then
you need to alt tab.

On the other hand, the other way you can handle this is download the
main exe file, close everything window wise and run that.



On 31/08/2017 6:39 p.m., Akbar S. Currim wrote:
I retried the update with the same result and installation failed.
The update downloaded fine and then stated that my existing copy would
be updated and asked me to click OK which I did. After that I keep
getting a message saying "please wait-your existing copy of NVDA is
being updated" and this goes on repeating with simultaneous beeps
indefinitely untill finally it says that the update installation
failed. How do I get over this problem? Should I remove the existing
copy of NVDA and install a fresh copy from scratch?

Alternatively, is it possible to make a portable copy from my other
laptop which has a proper working version and try to reinstall from
that? In that case if it is possible, then I would be spared from
reconfiguring NVDA all over again to suit my needs.
Thanks,
Akbar


On 8/29/17, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@gmail.com> wrote:
I got no such notification on either of the laptops. Anyway I will
try your suggestion tomorrow as I am travelling now. Will get back to
you after that with the result.

Thanks,

Akbar

On 8/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
When you go to install a program, Windows pops up a dialog advising
that
you are about to change the system and you need to accept that before
you
can install the program. Sometimes this dialog appears behind other
windows. In that case, you may need to alt+tab to it if it doesn't
seem
to
appear.

That is usually the reason for this kind of problem.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I tried to install NVDA17.3 on my HP laptop and although I could
download the new version without any difficulty and also after
clicking to install it when I got the message to do so the configuring
progress went on and on for at least 20 minutes and after that I got
an error message saying that the installation failed. I tried the
same thing three times with the same result. Could someone please
enlighten me as to what is happening and how I could remedy the same.

Incidentally I had no problem updating NVDA on my second laptop which
is an Asus. Both laptops are running Win 10 duly updated to the
latest version. On the second laptop the installation took only a few
minutes and there was no problem at all.

I give below the log I received for the installation failure. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar

Log for failure:
INFO - __main__ (10:41:42.874):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.140):
Config dir: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:41:43.140):
Loading config: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
NVDA version 2017.3
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:41:43.940):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.940):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:41:43.940):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (10:41:43.940):
Using liblouis version 3.2.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:41:43.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (10:41:43.994):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:41:43.994):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (10:41:45.861):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.197):
Failed to execute installer
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
File "config\__init__.pyo", line 182, in execElevated
File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.198):
Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the
user.



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Re: Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop

 

Hmmm did you try to alt tab a few times.

Sometimes I get a uac prompt, usually it pops up but if I for example have more than a couple windows open then it may be hidden.

The trick is to know how long something should take to download and if you heard the completed sound or think it should be well should be, then you need to alt tab.

On the other hand, the other way you can handle this is download the main exe file, close everything window wise and run that.

On 31/08/2017 6:39 p.m., Akbar S. Currim wrote:
I retried the update with the same result and installation failed.
The update downloaded fine and then stated that my existing copy would
be updated and asked me to click OK which I did. After that I keep
getting a message saying "please wait-your existing copy of NVDA is
being updated" and this goes on repeating with simultaneous beeps
indefinitely untill finally it says that the update installation
failed. How do I get over this problem? Should I remove the existing
copy of NVDA and install a fresh copy from scratch?

Alternatively, is it possible to make a portable copy from my other
laptop which has a proper working version and try to reinstall from
that? In that case if it is possible, then I would be spared from
reconfiguring NVDA all over again to suit my needs.
Thanks,
Akbar


On 8/29/17, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@gmail.com> wrote:
I got no such notification on either of the laptops. Anyway I will
try your suggestion tomorrow as I am travelling now. Will get back to
you after that with the result.

Thanks,

Akbar

On 8/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
When you go to install a program, Windows pops up a dialog advising that
you are about to change the system and you need to accept that before you
can install the program. Sometimes this dialog appears behind other
windows. In that case, you may need to alt+tab to it if it doesn't seem
to
appear.

That is usually the reason for this kind of problem.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I tried to install NVDA17.3 on my HP laptop and although I could
download the new version without any difficulty and also after
clicking to install it when I got the message to do so the configuring
progress went on and on for at least 20 minutes and after that I got
an error message saying that the installation failed. I tried the
same thing three times with the same result. Could someone please
enlighten me as to what is happening and how I could remedy the same.

Incidentally I had no problem updating NVDA on my second laptop which
is an Asus. Both laptops are running Win 10 duly updated to the
latest version. On the second laptop the installation took only a few
minutes and there was no problem at all.

I give below the log I received for the installation failure. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar

Log for failure:
INFO - __main__ (10:41:42.874):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.140):
Config dir: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:41:43.140):
Loading config: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
NVDA version 2017.3
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:41:43.940):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.940):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:41:43.940):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (10:41:43.940):
Using liblouis version 3.2.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:41:43.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (10:41:43.994):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:41:43.994):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (10:41:45.861):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.197):
Failed to execute installer
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
File "config\__init__.pyo", line 182, in execElevated
File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.198):
Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the
user.



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www.nvaccess.org
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Re: Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop

David Moore
 

Hi!

You asked the following!

Alternatively, is it possible to make a portable copy from my other

laptop which has a proper working version and try to reinstall from

that?  In that case if it is possible, then I would be spared from

reconfiguring NVDA all over again to suit my needs.

Thanks,

Akbar

The answer is a resounding yes. That is a great idea, and I have done that before.

Good luck with that! That is what I would do!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Akbar S. Currim
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2017 2:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop

 

I retried the update with the same result and installation failed.

The update downloaded fine and then stated that my existing copy would

be updated and asked me to click OK which I did.  After that I keep

getting a message saying "please wait-your existing copy of NVDA is

being updated" and this goes on repeating with simultaneous beeps

indefinitely untill finally it says that the update installation

failed.  How do I get over this problem?  Should I remove the existing

copy of NVDA and install a fresh copy from scratch?

 

Alternatively, is it possible to make a portable copy from my other

laptop which has a proper working version and try to reinstall from

that?  In that case if it is possible, then I would be spared from

reconfiguring NVDA all over again to suit my needs.

Thanks,

Akbar

 

 

On 8/29/17, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...> wrote:

> I got no such notification on either of the laptops.  Anyway I will

> try your suggestion tomorrow as I am travelling now.  Will get back to

> you after that with the result.

> Thanks,

> Akbar

> On 8/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

>> When you go to install a program, Windows pops up a dialog advising that

>> you are about to change the system and you need to accept that before you

>> can install the program.  Sometimes this dialog appears behind other

>> windows.  In that case, you may need to alt+tab to it if it doesn't seem

>> to

>> appear.

>> 

>> That is usually the reason for this kind of problem.

>> 

>> Regards

>> 

>> Quentin.

>> 

>> On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>

>> wrote:

>> 

>>> Hi,

>>> 

>>> I tried to install NVDA17.3 on my HP laptop and although I could

>>> download the new version without any difficulty and also after

>>> clicking to install it when I got the message to do so the configuring

>>> progress went on and on for at least 20 minutes and after that I got

>>> an error message saying that the installation failed.  I tried the

>>> same thing three times with the same result.  Could someone please

>>> enlighten me as to what is happening and how I could remedy the same.

>>> 

>>> Incidentally I had no problem updating NVDA on my second laptop which

>>> is an Asus.  Both laptops are running Win 10 duly updated to the

>>> latest version.  On the second laptop the installation took only a few

>>> minutes and there was no problem at all.

>>> 

>>> I give below the log I received for the installation failure.  Any

>>> help would be greatly appreciated.

>>> 

>>> Thanks and regards,

>>> 

>>> Akbar

>>> 

>>> Log for failure:

>>> INFO - __main__ (10:41:42.874):

>>> Starting NVDA

>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.140):

>>> Config dir: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda

>>> INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:41:43.140):

>>> Loading config: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):

>>> NVDA version 2017.3

>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):

>>> Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation

>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):

>>> Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,

>>> 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):

>>> Using comtypes version 0.6.2

>>> INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:41:43.940):

>>> Loaded synthDriver eloquence

>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:43.940):

>>> Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

>>> INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:41:43.940):

>>> Braille input initialized

>>> INFO - braille.initialize (10:41:43.940):

>>> Using liblouis version 3.2.0

>>> INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:41:43.940):

>>> Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

>>> WARNING - core.main (10:41:43.994):

>>> Java Access Bridge not available

>>> INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:41:43.994):

>>> UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

>>> INFO - core.main (10:41:45.861):

>>> NVDA initialized

>>> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.197):

>>> Failed to execute installer

>>> Traceback (most recent call last):

>>>   File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall

>>>   File "config\__init__.pyo", line 182, in execElevated

>>>   File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx

>>> WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.

>>> ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.198):

>>> Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the

>>> user.

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>>> 

>> 

>> 

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>> 

>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:

>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

>> 

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>> 

>

 

 

 


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Arlene,
I believe entering 'winver' in the Run dialog should present the
required information.
Thanks.

On 8/31/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there: How can you find out if you have service pack one in your windows
7 box? I think I may have it. but would like to know where you would have
it? Thanks and have a good day!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: August-30-17 9:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to
support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1



Dear NVDA community:



If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the
following statement from NV Access (just published):



* Windows XP
* Windows Server 2003
* Windows Vista
* Windows Server 2008
* Windows 7 without service pack 1



The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-
systems/



Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers received
tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart NVDA
while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but it
used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically, Windows
XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot
guarantee that it'll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many
people,
coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above,
coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended support
for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has
decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3
will still be made available for download for people who need to use old
Windows versions.



Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:



* If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic
NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update
checkbox).
* For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding
support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for
those
using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next
week).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



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NVDA and friends

Damien Sykes-Lindley <damien@...>
 

Hi,
It’s rare, but wondering if anyone else has stumbled across this.
Sometimes NVDA will seem to just lose control. There is no pattern as to when this could happen, though it does seem to happen a lot at system startup. The “NVDA” key no longer executes NVDA functions and speech will become rather rusty, not speaking some things at all and not interrupting prior messages. In these cases I either have to completely kill it with task manager or run NVDA with the –q or -r switches. Then again, there was a rare problem where the –r switch sometimes didn’t fix the issue, you literally had to use -q (or the actual exit option if you could get to it) and restart it manually. Not sure if this was the same problem, but still. Seems pretty bizarre.
Also, what are all the executables for? During normal operation, I see three in the task manager, nvda.exe, nvda_eoaProxy.exe and nvdaHelperRemoteLoader.exe. In addition in the NVDA directory, there is nvda_service.exe, nvda_slave.exe, nvda_noUIAccess.exe and nvda_UIAccess.exe. I’m guessing the latter two are different builds of nvda.exe?
Incidentally, unloading nvdaHelperRemoteLoader.exe seems to disable keyboard echo for a lot of things. Wondering if another of its components crashing or freezing or whatever is causing the other problems?
I have recently started running NVDA in debugging mode to try and figure out what exactly causes these bizarre issues, haven’t found anything of yet. Especially since it is quite rare that it happens.
Cheers.
Damien.


what is the last next version of NVDA to support windows XP?

Stephen
 

Hi there.
What is the last version of next NVDA to support NVDA and can I still download it?
Thanks.


Weather Plus news: about the translation brazilian Portuguese

Adriano Barbieri
 

Hi to every one,

Unfortunately, my translator for brazilian language has informed me that will no longer be able to take care of the translation.
So, if anyone is interested keep up to date with this translation, you can write me in private.
Thanks

Cheers
Adriano


Re: Unable to Install NVDA 17.3 on HP laptop

Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@...>
 

I retried the update with the same result and installation failed.
The update downloaded fine and then stated that my existing copy would
be updated and asked me to click OK which I did. After that I keep
getting a message saying "please wait-your existing copy of NVDA is
being updated" and this goes on repeating with simultaneous beeps
indefinitely untill finally it says that the update installation
failed. How do I get over this problem? Should I remove the existing
copy of NVDA and install a fresh copy from scratch?

Alternatively, is it possible to make a portable copy from my other
laptop which has a proper working version and try to reinstall from
that? In that case if it is possible, then I would be spared from
reconfiguring NVDA all over again to suit my needs.
Thanks,
Akbar

On 8/29/17, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@gmail.com> wrote:
I got no such notification on either of the laptops. Anyway I will
try your suggestion tomorrow as I am travelling now. Will get back to
you after that with the result.

Thanks,

Akbar

On 8/29/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
When you go to install a program, Windows pops up a dialog advising that
you are about to change the system and you need to accept that before you
can install the program. Sometimes this dialog appears behind other
windows. In that case, you may need to alt+tab to it if it doesn't seem
to
appear.

That is usually the reason for this kind of problem.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Aug 29, 2017 at 5:09 PM, Akbar S. Currim <raahzam@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi,

I tried to install NVDA17.3 on my HP laptop and although I could
download the new version without any difficulty and also after
clicking to install it when I got the message to do so the configuring
progress went on and on for at least 20 minutes and after that I got
an error message saying that the installation failed. I tried the
same thing three times with the same result. Could someone please
enlighten me as to what is happening and how I could remedy the same.

Incidentally I had no problem updating NVDA on my second laptop which
is an Asus. Both laptops are running Win 10 duly updated to the
latest version. On the second laptop the installation took only a few
minutes and there was no problem at all.

I give below the log I received for the installation failure. Any
help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks and regards,

Akbar

Log for failure:
INFO - __main__ (10:41:42.874):
Starting NVDA
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.140):
Config dir: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda
INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:41:43.140):
Loading config: C:\Users\Akbar\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
NVDA version 2017.3
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
Using Windows version 10.0.15063 workstation
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016,
20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.154):
Using comtypes version 0.6.2
INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:41:43.940):
Loaded synthDriver eloquence
INFO - core.main (10:41:43.940):
Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)
INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:41:43.940):
Braille input initialized
INFO - braille.initialize (10:41:43.940):
Using liblouis version 3.2.0
INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:41:43.940):
Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.
WARNING - core.main (10:41:43.994):
Java Access Bridge not available
INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:41:43.994):
UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3
INFO - core.main (10:41:45.861):
NVDA initialized
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.197):
Failed to execute installer
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "gui\installerGui.pyo", line 32, in doInstall
File "config\__init__.pyo", line 182, in execElevated
File "shellapi.pyo", line 42, in ShellExecuteEx
WindowsError: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the user.
ERROR - gui.installerGui.doInstall (11:26:41.198):
Installation failed: [Error 1223] The operation was canceled by the
user.




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service pack one

Arlene
 

Nevermind. I do have service pack one. I just typed winver and it said I have it.


Re: Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

Arlene
 

Hi there: How can you find out if you have service pack one in your windows 7 box? I think I may have it. but would like to know where you would have it? Thanks and have a good day!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: August-30-17 9:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

 

Dear NVDA community:

 

If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the following statement from NV Access (just published):

 

  • Windows XP
  • Windows Server 2003
  • Windows Vista
  • Windows Server 2008
  • Windows 7 without service pack 1

 

The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-systems/

 

Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers received tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart NVDA while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but it used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically, Windows XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot guarantee that it’ll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many people, coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above, coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended support for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3 will still be made available for download for people who need to use old Windows versions.

 

Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:

 

  • If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update checkbox).
  • For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for those using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next week).

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Important announcement: NVDA 2017.3 is the last version to support Windows versions prior to 7 and Server 2008 R2 service pack 1

 

Dear NVDA community:

 

If you are using one of the following Windows versions, please read the following statement from NV Access (just published):

 

  • Windows XP
  • Windows Server 2003
  • Windows Vista
  • Windows Server 2008
  • Windows 7 without service pack 1

 

The announcement link:

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2017-4-drops-support-for-older-operating-systems/

 

Background: for a number of years, NV Access and other developers received tons of reports about browse mode not being available when you restart NVDA while using Firefox and some browsers. NV Access wrote a fix for it, but it used a routine not found in older operating systems (specifically, Windows XP). Porting the new routine is costly, especially when developers cannot guarantee that it’ll work for everyone. Because the fix impacts many people, coupled with the support status of the Windows versions listed above, coupled with the fact that Firefox and some popular programs ended support for old Windows releases (including some screen readers), NV Access has decided to end support for old Windows releases with NVDA 2017.3. 2017.3 will still be made available for download for people who need to use old Windows versions.

 

Thus, the following advisory from the community is in effect:

 

  • If you are using Windows versions listed above, turn off automatic NVDA updates (NVDA menu/Preferences/General, then uncheck the update checkbox).
  • For those using some add-ons, read follow-up advisories regarding support for old Windows releases from add-ons from add-on writers (for those using add-ons such as Resource Monitor, I will publish an advisory next week).

 

Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: looking for a free YouTube video downloader that supports playlists

Arlene
 

Hi, does it work better then songr?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: August-30-17 4:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a free YouTube video downloader that supports playlists

 

No problem. I'm just glad they were at least findable.

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 11:43 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] looking for a free YouTube video downloader that supports playlists

 

Hi,

Youtube-DL is your friend (http://ytdl.org). It is a command line based application so extremely accessible, and that has options to either convert or leave the original, so very flexible.

Cheers.
Damien.

 

From: Kwork

Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 5:36 AM

Subject: [nvda] looking for a free YouTube video downloader that supports playlists

 

Hello,

I'm looking for a YouTube video downloader that supports playlists, and that is NVDA accessible. I'm not looking for anything that converts, so don't want a program that automatically downloads and converts without saving the original video. I've been using Pontes, but that hasn't been as reliable lately. Thanks for any help.

Travis


Re: NVDA or Firefox issue

Arlene
 

Hi, speaking of Firefox. I'm using windows 7. Latest build of NVDA. Latest build of firefox. I also have Jaws 14 witch I don’t use much. I used it while doing my online banking using Firefox. It got slightly laggy. Just so you know.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of nasrin khaksar
Sent: August-30-17 7:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA or Firefox issue

hello.
i could not completely understand the problem.
but if some tabs open for you unwantedly, maybe its an unwanted toolbar or addware, that maybe is harmful for your system.
i recommend that set firefox to the its default settings, check your firewall and see if one unwanted software is connected to the internet and block it.
then again make and use your desire settings in your firefox.
please read this article about maintaining privacy and security of browsers and share it with other people.

https://www.veracode.com/blog/2013/03/browser-security-settings-for-chrome-firefox-and-internet-explorer

On 8/31/17, Giles Turnbull <giles.turnbull@gmail.com> wrote:
I read a couple of threads on here about issues with Firefox and I
wonder if anybody has any idea what might be going on with my NVDA /
Firefox situation.

My Firefox updated to 55.0.3 (32-bit) yesterday, and I updated to NVDA
17.3 earlier this week. The problem began occuring prior to this,
maybe two months ago, however, so it's not directly caused by either upgrade.

I use gmail in its basic view setting, and most of the time it works
perfectly. But occasionaly it's started, when I hit enter to open a
message, it throws me out into a tab about 8 tabs further away. The
tab it moves me to is for a Masters degree program that I want to
apply for next year, so I can't figure out any connection between my
gmail tab and that one! The tab in question is
http://www.swansea.ac.uk/postgraduate/taught/applyingforamastersdegree
/ (
http://www.swansea.ac.uk/postgraduate/taught/applyingforamastersdegree
/ )

It is always that tab, and it doesn't matter if I've opened other tabs
between gmail and that tab, like tonight I've got an additional two
Blind Mice Mega Mall tabs open ... it's always dropping me into the
Masters info tab.

I also can't figure out why it's only occasional emails that do this.
Most open fine when I hit enter, and I stay on the email page, from
where I press the number 2 a couple of times to navigate down to the
message Heading 2, but the times it throws me out of the tab there
aren't any level 2 headings on that page!

Would love any suggestions if anybody has experienced anything
similar. I do currently have 36 tabs open in Firefox,if that has any
bearing on the matter.

Thanks,

Giles

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