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Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Gene
 

The voice characteristics aren't related to NVDA.  If reading slowly or at the default voice, in Eloquence and Via Voice, which both have identical voices, the American voice has a slightly unpleasant quality but it doesn't have the characteristics you describe.  the Brittish voice sounds like a foreigner trying to immitate a Brittish accent and I consider it to be a rather ludicrous implementation. 
 
Having said that, I'm not sure the SAPI Via Voice is stable in Windows 10.  it isn't when I tried it in Windows 7. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 11:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

To me it does. It sounds like its got a bad case of dodgy adenoids, but I'm
not here to slag off voices, we all have our favourites, as indeed it should
be. I was merely suggesting why I could not be that bothered by the issue.
 I'm still not convinced this issue is an nvda one either. some synths just
give troubles for reasons unknown.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.


As I've said before, you are describing the Brittish voice.  That voice has
unpleasant characteristics.  The American voice doesn't have the
characteristics you are discussing.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 3:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.


I was under the impression that embedded eloquence  in Jaws is not able to
be used outside, so you need to have one of the two, I think legal versions
for nvda.
 as an aside and this is not recommended, the old sappi 4 version
distributed as via voice out loud with the old ibm home page reader, seems
to be actually very reliable. I really cannot take Eloquence  though as I
find its lisp very annoying after a while!
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.


It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong!  For some
Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond!  I have
it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA.  Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws
18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system.  I could
be lying!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Griffith
Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this
end.



There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence  with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this
which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory
Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence
addon  as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person
retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.



If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country
that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel  as
a partial  solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from
Code Factry as I understand it.



Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound
Control Panel applet  the  experience of people experiencing this delay may
well vary.



David Griffith



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From: matthew dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic483@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



Hi,



Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is
an NVDA problem.  JMT.



Matthew







On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:



Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the
additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer
windows.



This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is
disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.



I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound
Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and
turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting
just basic stereo as my output format.



This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output
from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to
load.



I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer
windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows
Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up
and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally
catches up.



David Griffith







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From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <mailto:darrell.shandrow@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



Hello Everyone,



I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s
Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.



I am running on Windows 10.



Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved
this issue?



Thanks,



Darrell


















Re: Accessible Application Updater

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 

Tell me more about this so called Puran Utilities.
 
What is it. Is it well priced, how good is the accessibility that it provides, in your opinion, etc?
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
From: john s
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater

I tried Revo and wasn't impressed.  I thought the
uninstaller in the Puran Utilities was much
better.  That installer took out things that Revo left behind.

At 04:47 AM 3/13/2017, you wrote:
>I think the ninite one allows you to bundle
>several programs together and install in one go,
>but yes, in the end you are tied to  whatever software a site has.
>
>
>I see that the new revo although updated is
>still completely inaccessible to us.
>Its such a shame when a user interface is changed for the worse.
>B Brian
>
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>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin
>Cussick via Groups.Io" <the.big.white.shepherd@...>
>To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>
>
>>fare point,   but then again the file hippo program is just the same I think?
>>
>>On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>>>Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on the site.
>>>In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
>>>function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
>>>accessible.
>>>Brian
>>>
>>>bglists@...
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>>>Please address personal email to:-
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>>>in the display name field.
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io"
>>><the.big.white.shepherd@...>
>>>To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:03 PM
>>>Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ninite is good www.ninite.com hope this helps.
>>>>
>>>>On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>>>>>Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? Iâ?Tve been using
>>>>>Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was anything
>>>>>better.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>>>Windows 10
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

                 John




Re: NVDA not pulling up list of webpage elements in Firefox or IE!

Jacob Kruger
 

If you're focused on address bar it will do that - you need to be focused on the webpage's content before you can invoke the NVDA key + F7 command.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
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On 2017-03-13 18:49, Mailing Lists wrote:
Hi All,

Using the latest NVDA on a Windows 7 machine. When using either latest firefox or IE11 on a desktop PC and try to use "Insert + F7" to pull up a list of elements on a webpage I get the "Enable carat browsing" message from both browsers. Is there something I need to change in order to bypass this message and get NVDA to pull up the list of elements such as links etc.
It looks like NVDA is not recognising the number pad insert key or the insert key in the group of six buttons.
No changes were made after the installation of NVDA apart from the synthesizer speed and volume.

Many thanks for any assistance.

Paul.







Re: Accessible Application Updater

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I agree, as Revo was so dang good! Now, I don't have a good sollution for uninstalling things entirely automatically. Oh sure, I can always go to programs and features and remove it, but that doesn't mean necessarily that all files are deleted, and all registry entries go away. What I like about Revo is the fact it did all that guesswork for me, and I didn't have to worry about a thing. Yeah, sometimes it would screw up, let's just be fair. It *is* technology after all, but I'd say 90-95% of the time, it did a pretty good job.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater

I think the ninite one allows you to bundle several programs together and
install in one go, but yes, in the end you are tied to  whatever software a
site has.


I see that the new revo although updated is still completely inaccessible to
us.
 Its such a shame when a user interface is changed for the worse.
 B Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 9:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater


> fare point,   but then again the file hippo program is just the same I
> think?
>
> On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
>> Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on the
>> site.
>> In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
>> function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
>> accessible.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Cussick via Groups.Io"
>> <the.big.white.shepherd@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2017 9:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater
>>
>>
>>> Ninite is good www.ninite.com hope this helps.
>>>
>>> On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
>>>> Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? I’ve been using
>>>> Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was anything
>>>> better.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
>>>> Windows 10
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>




Re: NVDA not pulling up list of webpage elements in Firefox or IE!

 

hi.
insert keys is checked by default as nvda key and you dont need to set it.
are you sure that you are in brows mode when you want to list the elements?
God bless you.

On 3/13/17, Mailing Lists <pauls_lists@...> wrote:
Hi All,

Using the latest NVDA on a Windows 7 machine. When using either latest
firefox or IE11 on a desktop PC and try to use "Insert + F7" to pull up a
list of elements on a webpage I get the "Enable carat browsing" message from
both browsers. Is there something I need to change in order to bypass this
message and get NVDA to pull up the list of elements such as links etc.
It looks like NVDA is not recognising the number pad insert key or the
insert key in the group of six buttons.
No changes were made after the installation of NVDA apart from the
synthesizer speed and volume.

Many thanks for any assistance.

Paul.






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NVDA not pulling up list of webpage elements in Firefox or IE!

Mailing Lists
 

Hi All,

Using the latest NVDA on a Windows 7 machine. When using either latest firefox or IE11 on a desktop PC and try to use "Insert + F7" to pull up a list of elements on a webpage I get the "Enable carat browsing" message from both browsers. Is there something I need to change in order to bypass this message and get NVDA to pull up the list of elements such as links etc.
It looks like NVDA is not recognising the number pad insert key or the insert key in the group of six buttons.
No changes were made after the installation of NVDA apart from the synthesizer speed and volume.

Many thanks for any assistance.

Paul.


Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

To me it does. It sounds like its got a bad case of dodgy adenoids, but I'm not here to slag off voices, we all have our favourites, as indeed it should be. I was merely suggesting why I could not be that bothered by the issue.
I'm still not convinced this issue is an nvda one either. some synths just give troubles for reasons unknown.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.


As I've said before, you are describing the Brittish voice. That voice has unpleasant characteristics. The American voice doesn't have the characteristics you are discussing.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 3:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.


I was under the impression that embedded eloquence in Jaws is not able to
be used outside, so you need to have one of the two, I think legal versions
for nvda.
as an aside and this is not recommended, the old sappi 4 version
distributed as via voice out loud with the old ibm home page reader, seems
to be actually very reliable. I really cannot take Eloquence though as I
find its lisp very annoying after a while!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.


It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong! For some
Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond! I have
it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA. Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws
18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system. I could
be lying!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Griffith
Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this
end.



There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this
which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory
Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence
addon as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person
retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.



If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country
that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel as
a partial solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from
Code Factry as I understand it.



Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound
Control Panel applet the experience of people experiencing this delay may
well vary.



David Griffith



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10



From: matthew dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic483@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



Hi,



Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is
an NVDA problem. JMT.



Matthew







On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:



Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the
additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large File Explorer
windows.



This does not happen with the illegal versions of Eloquence which is
disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.



I managed to improve matters to some degree by going into the Sound
Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and
turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting
just basic stereo as my output format.



This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output
from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute or more for NVDA to
load.



I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer
windows but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows
Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up
and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally
catches up.



David Griffith







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10



From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <mailto:darrell.shandrow@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



Hello Everyone,



I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s
Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.



I am running on Windows 10.



Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved
this issue?



Thanks,



Darrell


Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well difficult to say really. I suppose some kind of configuring could shut it up a bit more when not needed, but to be honest, if you want human sounding voices although there are some good ones it will take a time to get things as you like them no matter what you need.
If money is no object there are other solutions that are not as verbose. Look at Dolphins supernova ranges, or some of the magnifiers you can get that have some added speech. The whole idea of a full screenreader is to speak choices, options and documents etc, and the amount of configurability you want is going to only be known to yourself.
the voice it comes with is pretty unbearable, but ther are variants in the program which are better.

Lots of synths out there to try out as well.
Its reallyy an unnswerable question.
dolphin and others do do demo downloads of their software so I'd suggest trying anything that takes your fancy.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Fantasy Sports" <fantasylife@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 6:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?


Hello group,

I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts
of text easily without getting fatigue.

I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA,
JAWS, or possibly other programs.

Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not
sure it is the right program for me. Let me explain.

There are several people using this family computer, and I
don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows,
and run in the background and bother them.

We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have
to log on and off as different users. I myself don't even
want to use this type of software all the time when I use
the computer.

I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off
whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text
at any given time.

Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its
extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it
just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.

I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't
want something too robotic sounding.

So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited
way, is NVDA right for me?











Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Don H
 

As a long time user of Window Eyes I have found that NVDA with the Access32 voice is very comparable to Window Eyes. With the uncertainty of Window Eyes being a long term product, I would highly recommend NVDA.

On 3/13/2017 10:47 AM, Gene wrote:
It should be pointed out that the default fvoice that comes with NVDA is
one many users don't want to use. You can set NVDA to use all or almost
all of the Microsoft voices already on your machine or you can try other
voices, as I described in my previous message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Roger Stewart <mailto:paganus2@...>
*Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2017 10:41 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

I would give it a try. When you install it, you have the option of
having nvda always start when the computer starts or not. If you uncheck
this, nvda won't run unless you send the command of ctrl, alt, and N
keys. That will start it and it will speak. When you're done, just hit
the NVDA key (numpad insert plus Q and it will ask if you want to quit
nvda. just hit enter and it will be gone until you want to use it again.


Roger










On 3/13/2017 1:34 AM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Hello group,

I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts
of text easily without getting fatigue.

I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA,
JAWS, or possibly other programs.

Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not
sure it is the right program for me. Let me explain.

There are several people using this family computer, and I
don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows,
and run in the background and bother them.

We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have
to log on and off as different users. I myself don't even
want to use this type of software all the time when I use
the computer.

I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off
whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text
at any given time.

Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its
extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it
just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.

I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't
want something too robotic sounding.

So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited
way, is NVDA right for me?















Re: Reading Comics and Graphic Novels Out Loud

Gene
 

I found your second message and approved it so it reached the list after all.  I thought I had deleted it and I couldn't approve it but I still had it. 
 

Gene
----- Original message -----
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 1:38 AM
Subject: [nvda] Reading Comics and Graphic Novels Out Loud

I am a big fan of comic books and graphic novels,
but can't read them easily because of a cognitive
impairment.

I understand there are programs that can pull
the text out of PDF and JPEGS, so you can read
them with a voice program. 

NVDA also has an OCR add-on, I understand.

However, I'm not sure how effective this might
be with different comic books and graphic novels.

Does anyone have any advice about this?



Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Gene
 

It should be pointed out that the default fvoice that comes with NVDA is one many users don't want to use.  You can set NVDA to use all or almost all of the Microsoft voices already on your machine or you can try other voices, as I described in my previous message. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 10:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

I would give it a try. When you install it, you have the option of
having nvda always start when the computer starts or not. If you uncheck
this, nvda won't run unless you send the command of ctrl, alt, and N
keys.  That will start it and it will speak. When you're done, just hit
the NVDA key (numpad insert plus Q and it will  ask if you want to quit
nvda. just hit enter and it will be gone until you want to use it again.


Roger










On 3/13/2017 1:34 AM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
> Hello group,
>
> I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts
> of text easily without getting fatigue.
>
> I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA,
> JAWS, or possibly other programs.
>
> Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not
> sure it is the right program for me.  Let me explain.
>
> There are several people using this family computer, and I
> don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows,
> and run in the background and bother them.
>
> We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have
> to log on and off as different users.  I myself don't even
> want to use this type of software all the time when I use
> the computer.
>
> I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off
> whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text
> at any given time.
>
> Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its
> extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it
> just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.
>
> I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't
> want something too robotic sounding.
>
> So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited
> way, is NVDA right for me?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
NVDA can easily be configured to run on demand. It sounds like you have sufficient sight not to require speech guidance through the log-in process, although NVDA can do this if required. It can just sit as a Desktop Icon and uses associated hotkey sequences to switch it on/ off as required. NVDA comes with a speech synthesizercalled Espeak which is very responsive and has numerous voices to choose from. NVDA can also use high quality 3rd party speech synthesizers which you can purchase and there are a host of free synthetic voices, including those used by Narrator, which also work very well. -----

Cheers
Chris
Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Fantasy Sports
Sent: 13 March 2017 06:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

Hello group,

I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts of text easily without getting fatigue.

I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA, JAWS, or possibly other programs.

Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not sure it is the right program for me. Let me explain.

There are several people using this family computer, and I don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows, and run in the background and bother them.

We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have to log on and off as different users. I myself don't even want to use this type of software all the time when I use the computer.

I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text at any given time.

Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.

I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't want something too robotic sounding.

So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited way, is NVDA right for me?


Reading Comics and Graphic Novels Out Loud

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

I am a big fan of comic books and graphic novels,
but can't read them easily because of a cognitive
impairment.

I understand there are programs that can pull
the text out of PDF and JPEGS, so you can read
them with a voice program.

NVDA also has an OCR add-on, I understand.

However, I'm not sure how effective this might
be with different comic books and graphic novels.

Does anyone have any advice about this?


Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Gene
 

Regarding your first message, any screen-reader can be set to only run when you run it and you can unload it when finished.  But if your intention is to only read text, often just a small amount, then have it not run, then run it again when you want to read more text and make such changes frequently, any screen-reader may take an annoying amount of time to run when you run it.  You'll have to see how long NVDA takes when you run it repeatedly.  The first time you run it may take longer than subsequent times so you can't judge by the first time.  If you are using the installed version, you can use these two commands without any further work.  NVDA key, which is either insert in the default desktop layout, and q while holding the NVDA key, brings up the unload NVDA dialog.  Press enter once it comes up.  To run NVDA, use the command control alt j.  You can put NVDA to sleep in the program you are using and quickly resume operation when desired but as far as I know, that feature doesn't turn off the screen-reader except in that one program.  I'll discuss sleep more if you want to continue trying NVDA.  But the first question is whether any screen-reader is the best choice.  There may be programs that read selected text and those may serve you better.  There may be list members who know of such programs. 
 
As far as voices are concerned, there are a lot of voices available, some free voices, some you pay for.  You can use demos of paid voices and you can try free voices, of course, as unlimited free programs. 
 
You can read more about available voices here:
 
Regarding your second message, please send it again.  As moderator, I know why it didn't reach the list and you won't have that problem any longer.  It isn't a problem with your message, it has to do with how the list handles first messages and all your messages should now reach the list almost immediately.
 
Briefly, the first message sent by a new member must be approved.  If a second message is sent before the first message is approved, I just found out that it, too, must be approved.  I didn't know it and the second message was lost.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 1:34 AM
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

Hello group,

I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts
of text easily without getting fatigue. 

I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA,
JAWS, or possibly other programs.

Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not
sure it is the right program for me.  Let me explain.

There are several people using this family computer, and I
don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows,
and run in the background and bother them.

We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have
to log on and off as different users.  I myself don't even
want to use this type of software all the time when I use
the computer.

I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off
whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text
at any given time.

Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its
extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it
just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.

I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't
want something too robotic sounding.

So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited
way, is NVDA right for me?












Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Roger Stewart
 

I would give it a try. When you install it, you have the option of having nvda always start when the computer starts or not. If you uncheck this, nvda won't run unless you send the command of ctrl, alt, and N keys. That will start it and it will speak. When you're done, just hit the NVDA key (numpad insert plus Q and it will ask if you want to quit nvda. just hit enter and it will be gone until you want to use it again.


Roger

On 3/13/2017 1:34 AM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Hello group,

I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts
of text easily without getting fatigue.

I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA,
JAWS, or possibly other programs.

Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not
sure it is the right program for me. Let me explain.

There are several people using this family computer, and I
don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows,
and run in the background and bother them.

We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have
to log on and off as different users. I myself don't even
want to use this type of software all the time when I use
the computer.

I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off
whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text
at any given time.

Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its
extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it
just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.

I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't
want something too robotic sounding.

So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited
way, is NVDA right for me?












Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Gene
 

%The problem has already been described as a slow start of Eloquence on boot up.  No recording is useful unless there are other problems that haven't been described and that can't be adequately described in words.  Unresponsiveness can easily be described in words as well. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

If your having problems with the code factory eloquence I would contact them and maybe make a recording so they know  what the exact problem is.

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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I was under the impression that embedded eloquence  in Jaws is not able to be used outside, so you need to have one of the two, I think legal versions for nvda.
 as an aside and this is not recommended, the old sappi 4 version distributed as via voice out loud with the old ibm home page reader, seems to be actually very reliable. I really cannot take Eloquence  though as I find its lisp very annoying after a while!
 Brian

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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
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Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.


It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong!  For some
Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond!  I have
it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA.  Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws
18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system.  I could
be lying!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Griffith
Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this
end.



There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence  with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this
which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory
Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence
addon  as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person
retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.



If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country
that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel  as
a partial  solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from
Code Factry as I understand it.



Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound
Control Panel applet  the  experience of people experiencing this delay may
well vary.



David Griffith



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From: matthew dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic483@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



Hi,



Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is
an NVDA problem.  JMT.



Matthew







On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:



Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the
additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer
windows.



This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is
disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.



I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound
Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and
turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting
just basic stereo as my output format.



This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output
from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to
load.



I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer
windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows
Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up
and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally
catches up.



David Griffith







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From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <mailto:darrell.shandrow@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



Hello Everyone,



I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s
Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.



I am running on Windows 10.



Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved
this issue?



Thanks,



Darrell



















Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Gene
 

As I've said before, you are describing the Brittish voice.  That voice has unpleasant characteristics.  The American voice doesn't have the characteristics you are discussing.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 3:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I was under the impression that embedded eloquence  in Jaws is not able to
be used outside, so you need to have one of the two, I think legal versions
for nvda.
 as an aside and this is not recommended, the old sappi 4 version
distributed as via voice out loud with the old ibm home page reader, seems
to be actually very reliable. I really cannot take Eloquence  though as I
find its lisp very annoying after a while!
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.


It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong!  For some
Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond!  I have
it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA.  Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws
18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system.  I could
be lying!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Griffith
Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this
end.



There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence  with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this
which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory
Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence
addon  as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person
retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.



If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country
that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel  as
a partial  solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from
Code Factry as I understand it.



Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound
Control Panel applet  the  experience of people experiencing this delay may
well vary.



David Griffith



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From: matthew dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic483@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



Hi,



Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is
an NVDA problem.  JMT.



Matthew







On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:



Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the
additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer
windows.



This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is
disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.



I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound
Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and
turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting
just basic stereo as my output format.



This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output
from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to
load.



I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer
windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows
Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up
and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally
catches up.



David Griffith







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From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <mailto:darrell.shandrow@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.



Hello Everyone,



I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s
Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.



I am running on Windows 10.



Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved
this issue?



Thanks,



Darrell















Is NVDA right for me?

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Hello group,

I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts
of text easily without getting fatigue.

I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA,
JAWS, or possibly other programs.

Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not
sure it is the right program for me. Let me explain.

There are several people using this family computer, and I
don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows,
and run in the background and bother them.

We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have
to log on and off as different users. I myself don't even
want to use this type of software all the time when I use
the computer.

I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off
whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text
at any given time.

Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its
extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it
just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.

I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't
want something too robotic sounding.

So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited
way, is NVDA right for me?


Re: Accessible Application Updater

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

Hi where do you get this Puran Utilities software that you
talked about?

And is it speech friendly using NVDA and what do you need to know when
you get this software and install it?

Also is this software free?

On 3/13/2017 3:54 AM, john s wrote:
I tried Revo and wasn't impressed. I thought the uninstaller in the
Puran Utilities was much better. That installer took out things that
Revo left behind.

At 04:47 AM 3/13/2017, you wrote:
I think the ninite one allows you to bundle several programs together
and install in one go, but yes, in the end you are tied to whatever
software a site has.


I see that the new revo although updated is still completely
inaccessible to us.
Its such a shame when a user interface is changed for the worse.
B Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater


fare point, but then again the file hippo program is just the same
I think?

On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on
the site.
In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
accessible.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater


Ninite is good www.ninite.com hope this helps.

On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? I’ve
been using
Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was
anything
better.



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Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

David Griffith
 

It is a long thread so my initial fix may have got lost.

 

I did contact the Code Factory Retailer and the advice is to simplify your sound card properties in Control Panel , that is remove special affects like surround sound or other themes and just rely on basic stereo output.

It is not perfect but it definitely improve matters.

 

 

David Griffith

 

 

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From: Dennis L
Sent: 13 March 2017 12:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

If your having problems with the code factory eloquence I would contact them and maybe make a recording so they know  what the exact problem is.

 

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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:45 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

I was under the impression that embedded eloquence  in Jaws is not able to be used outside, so you need to have one of the two, I think legal versions for nvda.

as an aside and this is not recommended, the old sappi 4 version distributed as via voice out loud with the old ibm home page reader, seems to be actually very reliable. I really cannot take Eloquence  though as I find its lisp very annoying after a while!

Brian

 

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Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

 

It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong!  For some

Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond!  I have

it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA.  Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws

18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system.  I could

be lying!

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David

Griffith

Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

 

 

I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this

end.

 

 

 

There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence  with NVDA.

 

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this

which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory

Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence

addon  as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person

retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.

 

 

 

If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country

that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel  as

a partial  solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from

Code Factry as I understand it.

 

 

 

Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound

Control Panel applet  the  experience of people experiencing this delay may

well vary.

 

 

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

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From: matthew dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic483@...>

Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

 

 

Hi,

 

 

 

Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is

an NVDA problem.  JMT.

 

 

 

Matthew

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

 

 

 

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the

additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer

windows.

 

 

 

This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is

disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

 

 

 

I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound

Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and

turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting

just basic stereo as my output format.

 

 

 

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output

from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to

load.

 

 

 

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer

windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows

Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up

and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally

catches up.

 

 

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <mailto:darrell.shandrow@...>

Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

 

 

 

Hello Everyone,

 

 

 

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s

Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

 

 

 

I am running on Windows 10.

 

 

 

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved

this issue?

 

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

 

Darrell