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Re: Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Dejan Ristic
 

Thank you, thank you, friend.


I'm going to experiment.


On 2/24/2017 6:57 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know if there is any such adjust ment for the status line.  I doubt it but we'll see what others say. 
 
As far as the NVDA setting is concerned, open the nvda menu and open preferences.  Find and press enter on review cursor.  You are now in a dialog.  Uncheck the item you are on with the space bar.  Tab to and uncheck the next one as well. The items are follow system Focus and follow system carret.  After unchecking these items, press enter.  The dialog is now closed and the settings have been changed.  
When you want to change them back, use the command NVDA Key r.  You should hear configuration applied.  The configuration NVDA uses when it runs is now being used again.  That will save you the trouble of changing the settings manually.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

The window is maximized. In the status line, I'm not able to hear the cell reporting. It reports the page number and the number of words. It also reports the current language. I've also tried by hitting NVDA and B to have everything read for me. It reads all, including what the status line presents. Is there an option in Word to be turned on so that the cells in a line may be shown? How can I turn on that option, so that the review does not follow the cursor?

   
On 2/24/2017 5:32 PM, Gene wrote:
It would be a good idea to have this feature available but you may be doing extra work to find the information now.  the read status line command may read such information in Jarte and Ted.  Have you tried it in Word? 
 
In Microsoft Word, is the window maximized?  I don't know if it matters but Word used to have a status line.  I don't know what newer versions do.  As far as hearing such information read using screen review, are you familiar with the option in NVDA to not have the review follow the cursor?  You could turn on this option, then move to the bottom of the screen with review commands and find the place where you want to hear the information on the bottom line,  If you leave the review cursor there, it will read the number any time you use numpad 5 for read current character.  You can move around the document with the application cursor and never disturb the review position. 
 
Also, the command shift numpad 9 moves the review position to the end of the bottom line on screen.  This saves you the trouble of moving to it initially.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Hi to all,


It would be extremely great to have column numbers reported in a text
processor when one does the left/right arrowing in a line.


Let me explain myself in some more detail.


Let's open a Word document, and type NVDA.


With the feature from the message subject, and with the left/right
arrowing, it would be possible for one to find out that the letter A is
placed at the forth column.


NVDA may be programmed to pronounce it as:


A: Column 4.


V: Column 2.


D: Column 3.


N: Column 1.


Spaces are not supposed to be eliminated.


It would be also great for those working with written forms.


It is possible for me to handle it in Jarte and Ted Notepad.


After I've written something, and positioned my left and/or right arrows
on a letter and/or a space, I switch NVDA to the screen review mode, hit
the NVDA modifier key, and then arrow down to the very bottom, so that I
can hear the column number spoken. I cannot find it in Word 2007.


That's why I say that the very feature would be great when added to the
Document formatting menu.


Many of us would automatically stop counting and re-counting columns in
lines while arranging our written forms in the best way possible.






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Re: Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Gene
 

I don't know if there is any such adjust ment for the status line.  I doubt it but we'll see what others say. 
 
As far as the NVDA setting is concerned, open the nvda menu and open preferences.  Find and press enter on review cursor.  You are now in a dialog.  Uncheck the item you are on with the space bar.  Tab to and uncheck the next one as well. The items are follow system Focus and follow system carret.  After unchecking these items, press enter.  The dialog is now closed and the settings have been changed.  
When you want to change them back, use the command NVDA Key r.  You should hear configuration applied.  The configuration NVDA uses when it runs is now being used again.  That will save you the trouble of changing the settings manually.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

The window is maximized. In the status line, I'm not able to hear the cell reporting. It reports the page number and the number of words. It also reports the current language. I've also tried by hitting NVDA and B to have everything read for me. It reads all, including what the status line presents. Is there an option in Word to be turned on so that the cells in a line may be shown? How can I turn on that option, so that the review does not follow the cursor?

   
On 2/24/2017 5:32 PM, Gene wrote:
It would be a good idea to have this feature available but you may be doing extra work to find the information now.  the read status line command may read such information in Jarte and Ted.  Have you tried it in Word? 
 
In Microsoft Word, is the window maximized?  I don't know if it matters but Word used to have a status line.  I don't know what newer versions do.  As far as hearing such information read using screen review, are you familiar with the option in NVDA to not have the review follow the cursor?  You could turn on this option, then move to the bottom of the screen with review commands and find the place where you want to hear the information on the bottom line,  If you leave the review cursor there, it will read the number any time you use numpad 5 for read current character.  You can move around the document with the application cursor and never disturb the review position. 
 
Also, the command shift numpad 9 moves the review position to the end of the bottom line on screen.  This saves you the trouble of moving to it initially.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Hi to all,


It would be extremely great to have column numbers reported in a text
processor when one does the left/right arrowing in a line.


Let me explain myself in some more detail.


Let's open a Word document, and type NVDA.


With the feature from the message subject, and with the left/right
arrowing, it would be possible for one to find out that the letter A is
placed at the forth column.


NVDA may be programmed to pronounce it as:


A: Column 4.


V: Column 2.


D: Column 3.


N: Column 1.


Spaces are not supposed to be eliminated.


It would be also great for those working with written forms.


It is possible for me to handle it in Jarte and Ted Notepad.


After I've written something, and positioned my left and/or right arrows
on a letter and/or a space, I switch NVDA to the screen review mode, hit
the NVDA modifier key, and then arrow down to the very bottom, so that I
can hear the column number spoken. I cannot find it in Word 2007.


That's why I say that the very feature would be great when added to the
Document formatting menu.


Many of us would automatically stop counting and re-counting columns in
lines while arranging our written forms in the best way possible.






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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Hi Gene,

 

As far as I know, you can’t turn MathPlayer off.  I believe MathPlayer is used by NVDA but I am not sure about JAWS.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

Does Math Player run automatically and is there a way to turn it off?  I can't tell from your message if uninstalling it is necessary.  Since you don't want it to influence your tests, perhaps list members might be able to comment on how to have it installed but completely inactive.

 

According to the web site, Math Player works with JAWS.  It appears you may be saying it no longer does but I'm not sure if I understood that correctly.  At any rate, perhaps there is a way to completely disable it. 

 

I note with interest that the player works with Microsoft word and a few other programs, including a few browsers.  That being the case, it maight be a good example to ask people to report odd problems with Word or other programs that Math Player works with if they have uninstalled it recently. 

 

Gene

 


Re: Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Dejan Ristic
 

The window is maximized. In the status line, I'm not able to hear the cell reporting. It reports the page number and the number of words. It also reports the current language. I've also tried by hitting NVDA and B to have everything read for me. It reads all, including what the status line presents. Is there an option in Word to be turned on so that the cells in a line may be shown? How can I turn on that option, so that the review does not follow the cursor?

   
On 2/24/2017 5:32 PM, Gene wrote:
It would be a good idea to have this feature available but you may be doing extra work to find the information now.  the read status line command may read such information in Jarte and Ted.  Have you tried it in Word? 
 
In Microsoft Word, is the window maximized?  I don't know if it matters but Word used to have a status line.  I don't know what newer versions do.  As far as hearing such information read using screen review, are you familiar with the option in NVDA to not have the review follow the cursor?  You could turn on this option, then move to the bottom of the screen with review commands and find the place where you want to hear the information on the bottom line,  If you leave the review cursor there, it will read the number any time you use numpad 5 for read current character.  You can move around the document with the application cursor and never disturb the review position. 
 
Also, the command shift numpad 9 moves the review position to the end of the bottom line on screen.  This saves you the trouble of moving to it initially.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Hi to all,


It would be extremely great to have column numbers reported in a text
processor when one does the left/right arrowing in a line.


Let me explain myself in some more detail.


Let's open a Word document, and type NVDA.


With the feature from the message subject, and with the left/right
arrowing, it would be possible for one to find out that the letter A is
placed at the forth column.


NVDA may be programmed to pronounce it as:


A: Column 4.


V: Column 2.


D: Column 3.


N: Column 1.


Spaces are not supposed to be eliminated.


It would be also great for those working with written forms.


It is possible for me to handle it in Jarte and Ted Notepad.


After I've written something, and positioned my left and/or right arrows
on a letter and/or a space, I switch NVDA to the screen review mode, hit
the NVDA modifier key, and then arrow down to the very bottom, so that I
can hear the column number spoken. I cannot find it in Word 2007.


That's why I say that the very feature would be great when added to the
Document formatting menu.


Many of us would automatically stop counting and re-counting columns in
lines while arranging our written forms in the best way possible.






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Re: Contact

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

It's likely the window that had the browser with the captcha was simply hidden by another window.  I get this all the time when I ask for sighted assistance with something.  Often times, the front window that we're working in with the screen reader is not the front window on the actual screen as it should be.  This leads to windows covering parts of the screen, and sometimes, other windows covering the whole window in which I'm working.  If you maximize the current application screen (not sure, but think the keystroke is alt-enter), it will then place the current window on top of all other windows, and sighted folks will be able to see what it is you're workin on, and then can be helpful.  It's hard for them to help if they can't find the application you're in.  The more programs you have open, the more likely you are to have this issue.  It's perfectly normal, and the only thing you can do is to either allow the sighted person to find the program using the mouse, or (as I said) maximize the screen.  I've not really found any other solution, as even alt-tabbing through the programs doesn't always highlight the active program for sighted folks.  (well, more precisely, it does highlight the window, but again, it's being covered by something else, sot hey don't see it).



On 2/24/2017 9:15 AM, Gene wrote:
At this point, it isn't clear what, if anything, was seen.  the message at one point states, there was nothing on the screen.  What does that mean--Nothing at all?   The message also states that even removing NVDA didn't cause the form to be seen.  The first thing to do is to find out from a sighted person if infrmation is displayed on screen in general.  We don't know yet but I'm rather suspicious that this problem has nothing to do with NVDA. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Contact

Could have been colouring issues, font-sizing issues, or else maybe even
webpage/browser hovering off screen's display area?


As in, fir st thing would be to maximise window, just in case, and, then
either try selecting some text in browser window, or maybe even route
mouse cursor to current navigator object, using NVDA + numpad  / since
sighted person can then try moving mouse around to try find it on
screen, etc.?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-02-24 15:01, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hi good people:
> I'm having a problem with my system.  I filled out a form some hours
> ago, and the form required the typing of a captcha.  When I asked for
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> found on the screen.  But then the screen reader was still reading it
> to me.  I was told that there was nothing on the screen,.  I even
> switched off the screen reader, but I was still told that the form
> didn't appear on the screen.  But the screen reader read the form, and
> I filled it out.
> Has anyone ever encountered this problem before? if so, what is the solution.
> Looking forward to reading from you lovely people.
> I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.
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Re: Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Gene
 

It would be a good idea to have this feature available but you may be doing extra work to find the information now.  the read status line command may read such information in Jarte and Ted.  Have you tried it in Word? 
 
In Microsoft Word, is the window maximized?  I don't know if it matters but Word used to have a status line.  I don't know what newer versions do.  As far as hearing such information read using screen review, are you familiar with the option in NVDA to not have the review follow the cursor?  You could turn on this option, then move to the bottom of the screen with review commands and find the place where you want to hear the information on the bottom line,  If you leave the review cursor there, it will read the number any time you use numpad 5 for read current character.  You can move around the document with the application cursor and never disturb the review position. 
 
Also, the command shift numpad 9 moves the review position to the end of the bottom line on screen.  This saves you the trouble of moving to it initially.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 10:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Hi to all,


It would be extremely great to have column numbers reported in a text
processor when one does the left/right arrowing in a line.


Let me explain myself in some more detail.


Let's open a Word document, and type NVDA.


With the feature from the message subject, and with the left/right
arrowing, it would be possible for one to find out that the letter A is
placed at the forth column.


NVDA may be programmed to pronounce it as:


A: Column 4.


V: Column 2.


D: Column 3.


N: Column 1.


Spaces are not supposed to be eliminated.


It would be also great for those working with written forms.


It is possible for me to handle it in Jarte and Ted Notepad.


After I've written something, and positioned my left and/or right arrows
on a letter and/or a space, I switch NVDA to the screen review mode, hit
the NVDA modifier key, and then arrow down to the very bottom, so that I
can hear the column number spoken. I cannot find it in Word 2007.


That's why I say that the very feature would be great when added to the
Document formatting menu.


Many of us would automatically stop counting and re-counting columns in
lines while arranging our written forms in the best way possible.





Cell reporting in the Document formatting menu

Dejan Ristic
 

Hi to all,


It would be extremely great to have column numbers reported in a text processor when one does the left/right arrowing in a line.


Let me explain myself in some more detail.


Let's open a Word document, and type NVDA.


With the feature from the message subject, and with the left/right arrowing, it would be possible for one to find out that the letter A is placed at the forth column.


NVDA may be programmed to pronounce it as:


A: Column 4.


V: Column 2.


D: Column 3.


N: Column 1.


Spaces are not supposed to be eliminated.


It would be also great for those working with written forms.


It is possible for me to handle it in Jarte and Ted Notepad.


After I've written something, and positioned my left and/or right arrows on a letter and/or a space, I switch NVDA to the screen review mode, hit the NVDA modifier key, and then arrow down to the very bottom, so that I can hear the column number spoken. I cannot find it in Word 2007.


That's why I say that the very feature would be great when added to the Document formatting menu.


Many of us would automatically stop counting and re-counting columns in lines while arranging our written forms in the best way possible.


Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Gene
 

Does Math Player run automatically and is there a way to turn it off?  I can't tell from your message if uninstalling it is necessary.  Since you don't want it to influence your tests, perhaps list members might be able to comment on how to have it installed but completely inactive.
 
According to the web site, Math Player works with JAWS.  It appears you may be saying it no longer does but I'm not sure if I understood that correctly.  At any rate, perhaps there is a way to completely disable it. 
 
I note with interest that the player works with Microsoft word and a few other programs, including a few browsers.  That being the case, it maight be a good example to ask people to report odd problems with Word or other programs that Math Player works with if they have uninstalled it recently. 
 
Gene
 


Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Hi Gene,

 

One reason for uninstalling MathPlayer is to see what effects MathPlayer has.  I use JAWS most of the time.  JAWS now has the option to show the user Nemeth code mathematics.  When I ran across an equation on the web, sometimes I can see it in Nemeth code or LaTex.  I was unsure which program was translating the math.  JAWS used to use MathPlayer; however, it does not do that now. 

 

I have heard that MathPlayer can work with Microsoft office as well.  Also, MathType can change an image equation into a LaTex equation.

 

I am trying to develop a coherent mathematical strategy for electronically formatted material.

 

In this quest, I have yet to test and understand the Pearson and Duxbury products. 

 

I am unsure which screen reader works best, NVDA or JAWS. 

 

It is an interesting quest.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

This illustrates my point.  The phrase "stuck with Math Player" sounds as though it is a meaningful imposition to have it.  It takes up very little room and does nothing when not being used. 
As I said, the presumption that programs should reflexively and routinely be uninstalled is one that should be reexamined.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:09 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

 

When I was having the problem, NVDA could not access Firefox or Internet
Explorer.  Fortunately, everything is now running fine once MathPlayer was
re-installed.

It looks Like I am stuck with MathPlayer.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Do any html pages in any browser work?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


> Folks,
>
> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
> (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
> used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both.  I am
> now
> on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Regards
> Louis Maher
> Phone: 713-444-7838
> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>
>
>
>
>






Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Gene
 

This illustrates my point.  The phrase "stuck with Math Player" sounds as though it is a meaningful imposition to have it.  It takes up very little room and does nothing when not being used. 
As I said, the presumption that programs should reflexively and routinely be uninstalled is one that should be reexamined.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

When I was having the problem, NVDA could not access Firefox or Internet
Explorer.  Fortunately, everything is now running fine once MathPlayer was
re-installed.

It looks Like I am stuck with MathPlayer.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 4:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Do any html pages in any browser work?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


> Folks,
>
> Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
> (51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
> used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both.  I am
> now
> on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.
>
> Any suggestions would be appreciated.
>
>
>
> Regards
> Louis Maher
> Phone: 713-444-7838
> E-mail: ljmaher@...
>
>
>
>
>







Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Gene
 

I would strongly urge that when uninstalling a program, if you don't know, make sure your system restore is working properly or that you have another reversion program that is working.  While a registry reversion program is useful and can solve many problems, I don't consider it by itself to be adequate.  Reinstalling a program may solve a problem or it may not.  If not, or as an alternative, reversion may and it may at times when reinstallation may not.  I personally usually use reversion instead of reinstallation.  the program will reappear in the system.  It may not run but I didn't intend to run it anyway. 
 
Also, uninstalling programs you don't intend to use may be something that people want to do less of.  Programs don't take a lot of roomm in most cases and uninstallation may cause problems as is seen in this thread.  There appears to be a presumption that uninstalling is just the thing to do.  I'm saying that this should be reconsidered and that you may decide that uninstallation isn't necessarily the thing to do in some or perhaps many cases. 
 
As another example, I uninstalled a demo of a synthesizer awhile ago.  It caused I believe it was Eloquence to stop working in general.  So I did a system restore and solved the problem.  I just left the program on my machine.  I've heard of instances where uninstalling Office causes problems with the functioning of NVDA.  In my opinion, it's time to reconsider the reflexive uninstallation of programs and to consider being sure you have protected yourself reasonably against unanticipated consequences. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Hi Brian,

I hit Windows key + x, hit enter on programs and features, found MathPlayer, and used the  applications key to get the standard uninstall option.

I do not know what happens in the uninstall process; that is, I do not know what the uninstall process actually removes.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Does it remove it or merely not remember to register it when it shoves it back after the uninstall?
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From: "Louis Maher" <ljmaher@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


Hi Quentin,



The problem was that I had uninstalled MathPlayer, and that removed a
component NVDA uses for browsers.  Reinstalling MathPlayer restored that
unknown component, and now NVDA works with Firefox and Internet Explorer.



JAWS apparently does not use this unknown component.  Note that this unknown
component is not part of NVDA because uninstalling NVDA and reinstalling
NVDA does not fix this problem.







Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem



Hi Louis,



Someone else reported a similar thing and noted the solution for them was to
alt+tab away from Firefox and back.  It's not an ideal solution obviously,
but I'd be curious to see if that helped.  That issue is:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5550



There's another bug for a similar thing, saying "unknown" after reading the
page title.  Often (in the case of this user), waiting a moment after that,
NVDA would go on to read the page:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4882



Finally, another problem that can cause this if it's happening in all
browsers, is it could be a system component.  This thread has a number of
ideas: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807



Finally, if you could get the log file to send to me that might help too.
Info on the log file available here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:48 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...
<mailto:ljmaher@...> > wrote:

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?).  When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them.  I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both.  I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838 <tel:713-444-7838>
E-mail: ljmaher@... <mailto:ljmaher@...>












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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

When I was having the problem, NVDA could not access Firefox or Internet
Explorer. Fortunately, everything is now running fine once MathPlayer was
re-installed.

It looks Like I am stuck with MathPlayer.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
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Do any html pages in any browser work?
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am
now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...





Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Hi Brian,

I am using a Surface Pro 2 with a solid state drive, and no user-serviceable
parts that I know of.

Thank you for your thoughts.


Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
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Often both these problems occur due to a bad mains supply or loose drive
connections in the machine. The longer they are allowed to go on the more
likely the system is to become unbootable.
Hopefully fixing these issues can save a lot of problems.
Those mains cable extensions with several sockets in them are a problem
more often than not. cheap and not very well made.
However by far the most probles are for power connections to drives inside
the computer if its a desk top.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 10:00 PM
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Have you tried a disk defragment and chkdsk. I find these have fix
corrupt file issues. doesn't hurt to try.


brenda


On 2/23/2017 1:48 PM, Louis Maher wrote:
Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am
now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...








Re: Contact

 

It's been a while, but I seem to recall a client intentionally turning off their monitors via device manager on their laptops as a security measure so they could work in public without the screen being seen.

I really don't know how this might happen by accident though.  It requires careful effort.

Also, on Windows 7 and earlier laptops (or at least many of them) if you use the function key that toggles the monitor between displaying on the laptop, on a secondary monitor (or projector) or both at the same time it will not automatically revert to the monitor if there is no external device present.  I have been at many presentations where flustered presenters cannot figure out why their laptops are suddenly not displaying anything on the screen anymore and it's because they toggled into "secondary display only" mode rather than "on both" mode.  This is something that I've seen happen unintentionally, too, when someone struck the keys necessary to accomplish it.

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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Hi Brian,

I hit Windows key + x, hit enter on programs and features, found MathPlayer, and used the applications key to get the standard uninstall option.

I do not know what happens in the uninstall process; that is, I do not know what the uninstall process actually removes.


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Louis Maher
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Does it remove it or merely not remember to register it when it shoves it back after the uninstall?
Brian

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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 12:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem


Hi Quentin,



The problem was that I had uninstalled MathPlayer, and that removed a
component NVDA uses for browsers. Reinstalling MathPlayer restored that
unknown component, and now NVDA works with Firefox and Internet Explorer.



JAWS apparently does not use this unknown component. Note that this unknown
component is not part of NVDA because uninstalling NVDA and reinstalling
NVDA does not fix this problem.







Regards

Louis Maher

Phone: 713-444-7838

E-mail: ljmaher@...



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 4:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem



Hi Louis,



Someone else reported a similar thing and noted the solution for them was to
alt+tab away from Firefox and back. It's not an ideal solution obviously,
but I'd be curious to see if that helped. That issue is:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5550



There's another bug for a similar thing, saying "unknown" after reading the
page title. Often (in the case of this user), waiting a moment after that,
NVDA would go on to read the page:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/4882



Finally, another problem that can cause this if it's happening in all
browsers, is it could be a system component. This thread has a number of
ideas: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807



Finally, if you could get the log file to send to me that might help too.
Info on the log file available here:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps



Kind regards



Quentin.



On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 5:48 AM, Louis Maher <ljmaher@...
<mailto:ljmaher@...> > wrote:

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838 <tel:713-444-7838>
E-mail: ljmaher@... <mailto:ljmaher@...>












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Re: Contact

 

hi ibrahim.
i also have this issue.
my laptop screen is unreadable for my family and i wish that find
solution for it.

On 2/24/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
At this point, it isn't clear what, if anything, was seen. the message at
one point states, there was nothing on the screen. What does that
mean--Nothing at all? The message also states that even removing NVDA
didn't cause the form to be seen. The first thing to do is to find out from
a sighted person if infrmation is displayed on screen in general. We don't
know yet but I'm rather suspicious that this problem has nothing to do with
NVDA.

Gene
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From: Jacob Kruger
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 8:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Contact


Could have been colouring issues, font-sizing issues, or else maybe even
webpage/browser hovering off screen's display area?


As in, fir st thing would be to maximise window, just in case, and, then
either try selecting some text in browser window, or maybe even route
mouse cursor to current navigator object, using NVDA + numpad / since
sighted person can then try moving mouse around to try find it on
screen, etc.?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-02-24 15:01, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I'm having a problem with my system. I filled out a form some hours
ago, and the form required the typing of a captcha. When I asked for
sighted assistance, I was told that the form I filled couldn't be
found on the screen. But then the screen reader was still reading it
to me. I was told that there was nothing on the screen,. I even
switched off the screen reader, but I was still told that the form
didn't appear on the screen. But the screen reader read the form, and
I filled it out.
Has anyone ever encountered this problem before? if so, what is the
solution.
Looking forward to reading from you lovely people.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.






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Re: Contact

Gene
 

At this point, it isn't clear what, if anything, was seen.  the message at one point states, there was nothing on the screen.  What does that mean--Nothing at all?   The message also states that even removing NVDA didn't cause the form to be seen.  The first thing to do is to find out from a sighted person if infrmation is displayed on screen in general.  We don't know yet but I'm rather suspicious that this problem has nothing to do with NVDA. 
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Contact

Could have been colouring issues, font-sizing issues, or else maybe even
webpage/browser hovering off screen's display area?


As in, fir st thing would be to maximise window, just in case, and, then
either try selecting some text in browser window, or maybe even route
mouse cursor to current navigator object, using NVDA + numpad  / since
sighted person can then try moving mouse around to try find it on
screen, etc.?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-02-24 15:01, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hi good people:
> I'm having a problem with my system.  I filled out a form some hours
> ago, and the form required the typing of a captcha.  When I asked for
> sighted assistance, I was told that the form I filled couldn't be
> found on the screen.  But then the screen reader was still reading it
> to me.  I was told that there was nothing on the screen,.  I even
> switched off the screen reader, but I was still told that the form
> didn't appear on the screen.  But the screen reader read the form, and
> I filled it out.
> Has anyone ever encountered this problem before? if so, what is the solution.
> Looking forward to reading from you lovely people.
> I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Contact

Jacob Kruger
 

Could have been colouring issues, font-sizing issues, or else maybe even webpage/browser hovering off screen's display area?


As in, fir st thing would be to maximise window, just in case, and, then either try selecting some text in browser window, or maybe even route mouse cursor to current navigator object, using NVDA + numpad / since sighted person can then try moving mouse around to try find it on screen, etc.?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-02-24 15:01, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
Hi good people:
I'm having a problem with my system. I filled out a form some hours
ago, and the form required the typing of a captcha. When I asked for
sighted assistance, I was told that the form I filled couldn't be
found on the screen. But then the screen reader was still reading it
to me. I was told that there was nothing on the screen,. I even
switched off the screen reader, but I was still told that the form
didn't appear on the screen. But the screen reader read the form, and
I filled it out.
Has anyone ever encountered this problem before? if so, what is the solution.
Looking forward to reading from you lovely people.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.




Re: Questions and suggestions

Gene
 

I find the arrangement of icons on the desktop to be almost irrelevant.  Using firxt letter navigation or typing two or three letters if there are many icons beginning with the same first letter or first two letters is much more efficient than moving through icons.  If I want to get to the MP3 Direct Cut icon, I simply type mp.  That immediately takes me to it.  I don't just type m because I have two or more other icons that start with the letter m.  But there is nothing else that starts with the letters mp.  That's an unusual combination of letters.  If you use first letter navigation, the location of items becomes, as I xsaid, almost irrelevant. 
 
 

Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

The alphabetic arrangement of the desktop is not a specific feature of 10.  As far as i'm aware it's been available onWindows for years.  You just need to go into desktop properties and arrange icons.

Cheers
Chris

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There are loads of room on the desktop and start menu for shortcuts.
Shortcuts on the desktop can be made to hav  hot key access so you should not need to go through loads of stuff. In 10, the alpherbetic display of items is a great idea. I think also.
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Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions


Hi Gene,
To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have
tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too
cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the
appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350
shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.
Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred
the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for
and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for
Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in
Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my
experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve
removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.
Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if
you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and
you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say
for certain that I use anything more than the other.
Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m
becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run
dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path
environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a
bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to
the My Documents folder!
Cheers.
Damien.








Re: Contact

Gene
 

Did you verify whether other information is appearing on screen?  For example, does the desktop appear or when you type text in a program like notepad, does that appear on screen?  At this point, we don't know if the screen is displaying anything.  This problem sounds as though it may have nothing to do with NVDA and may be a problem with your screen or video display.  Unless you know that other content is appearing on screen, checking that is the first thing to do. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2017 7:01 AM
Subject: [nvda] Contact

Hi good people:
I'm having a problem with my system.  I filled out a form some hours
ago, and the form required the typing of a captcha.  When I asked for
sighted assistance, I was told that the form I filled couldn't be
found on the screen.  But then the screen reader was still reading it
to me.  I was told that there was nothing on the screen,.  I even
switched off the screen reader, but I was still told that the form
didn't appear on the screen.  But the screen reader read the form, and
I filled it out.
Has anyone ever encountered this problem before? if so, what is the solution.
Looking forward to reading from you lovely people.
I am Ibrahim from Nigeria.