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Re: NVDA Web Browser Problem

Arlene
 

Hi, Do you have another back up screen reader to rectify your problem? If
you do, then try your back up screen reader and see if you have that same
problem! If NVDA is your primary screen reader you are in trouble.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Louis
Maher
Sent: February-23-17 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Web Browser Problem

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...


NVDA Web Browser Problem

Louis Maher <ljmaher@...>
 

Folks,

Several weeks ago, my NVDA (version 16.4) was unable to access Firefox
(51.?). When I opened a webpage, the arrow keys just said unknown when I
used them. I uninstalled NVDA and Firefox and re-installed both. I am now
on NVDA 17.1), and I have the same issue.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.



Regards
Louis Maher
Phone: 713-444-7838
E-mail: ljmaher@...


Re: Windows 10 Mail app

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Chris


There is a tutorial written on this program it was written by David.


At present it is when you type say in a email you can not hear what you have typed, but you can review with the left and right arrow keys etc. if i remember also it will also read out all when a say all is done.



I think i was reading some where on the list in a few weeks or maybe a month ther eis a new insider build that people on windows 10 will get and those problems will be fixed. 


any how if you are interested in the tutorial it can be found at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html


You willl then need to jump down by headings to the tutorial called how to use the windows 10 mail app or something like that.


please note it also says about those bugs i mentioned.


hope it helps.


Gene nz



On 24/02/2017 12:02 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

Does anyone on the list use the built-in mail app in Windows 10 and if so, I would welcome your advice re accessibility.  I have no sight and rely on voice feedback only.

 

Cheers

Chris


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Re: Questions and suggestions

Chris Mullins
 

I concur with Gene and I do use Windows 10.  The start menu and desktop are all configurable to your own specification, so they are only as cluttered as you choose to make them and as Gene says, you can find applications quickly by typing one or two letters.  You can also create shortcuts which don’t appear on the desktop, so they’re only a single keystroke away and don’t clutter anything.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 23 February 2017 16:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

I don't know what you know and, as I said, I don't want to assume.  I have written this somewhat long message in case you don't know some of what I'm discussing.  Others can provide discussions of good instructional material, if you wish.  If you already know what I've explained here, then this message won't tell you anything new but I'd rather discuss these matters than not so you and others following the thread will have the information if interested.. 

 

I don't know how much you know about efficient navigation in Windows structures.  You don't have to go through item after item.  There's first letter navigation.  And if you have six items on the desktop that begin with the letter n, you can type more of the name of the item.  For example, typing nv will take you to the NVDA icon.  You don't just have to type the first letter.  In the all programs list, you can use first letter navigation but you can't type more than one letter as I recall. My recollection is that what I'm calling the all programs list is technically a menu.  The desktop is a list. 

 

In menus, only the designated letter will move you to the item.  In a list, typing the first letter or more will either move you to it or will move you to items that begin with the letter or letters.  Often, in menus, it's the first letter but this can't be assumed.  I believe that in the all programs menu, it's always the first letter of the item.

 

When using the start menu search field, you can often just type one word to get to something if you do a bit of experimentation to figure out what that is.  I can get immediately to Windows Live Mail by just typing the word mail.  The other words, typing either Windows or the word live brings up too many results to be efficient. 

 

Do you know how to create shortcuts and to use shortcuts, already existing or created by you, to assign short cut commands to?  I have assigned the command control alt m to open Mozilla Firefox.  I can use that command almost anywhere to open it.  I can use the command control alt w to open Windows Live Mail.  And I have lots more.  Some people like short cuts more than others but if you don't know about them and try them, you are overlooking one of the fastest and most convenient ways to open items in Windows. 

 

And short cut commands can be used to open more than programs.  They can be used to open drives or you can open a folder or a file you use constantly or a great deal just by issuing one command. 

 

Not everything I've said may apply in Windows 10, I don't know.  I don't use Windows 10.  But most of it will, or will with slight modifications.  And that is true of Windows 8 as well. 

 

I'm not trying to be didactic or dictatorial but I hope that if you don't know the things I've been discussing, that you get some good instructional material.  Windows is very convenient and efficient when used as designed.  It isn't when used as though it were something else, like DOS. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:55 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

 

Hi Gene,

To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350 shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.

Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.

Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say for certain that I use anything more than the other.

Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to the My Documents folder!

Cheers.
Damien.


Re: Questions and suggestions

Gene
 

I don't know how the desktop is classified in later versions of Windows but as late as Windows 7 it is classified as a list.  I suspect it is in later versions as well.  The instructional materials I used in my early days of learning Windows said that first letter navigation works in the desktop so I never considered that some people might not realize it because of the difference in layout. 
 
Even if you already know the other things I discussed, I hope my comments about the desktop are helpful.
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 11:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Hi Gene,
Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!
The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!
As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.
First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!
Cheers.
Damien.


NVDA reporting tables in windows explorer

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi all,

On this new windows seven machine I set up with NVDA, most but not all folders in windows explorer are reporting to be laid out in tables by NVDA. NVDA is reporting row and column positions of folders and files. Not all folders are doing this, but I applied all the settings of a folder that wasn't to all folders and that didn't fix the behavior. Any ideas as to changes I might make to the views so that they become standard list views?

Thanks,

Erik

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Re: Windows 10 Mail app

matthew dyer
 

Lates version of NVDA works with no problem.  The only thing that drives me crazy is that deleting a message, doesn't truely delete the message.  It archives it and there is no way to change the behaver for this at least for me.  I am using gmail and it is driving me crazy as i said.


Matthew




On 02/23/2017 06:02 AM, Chris Mullins wrote:

Hi

Does anyone on the list use the built-in mail app in Windows 10 and if so, I would welcome your advice re accessibility.  I have no sight and rely on voice feedback only.

 

Cheers

Chris



Re: Questions and suggestions

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Gene,
Hotkeys are indeed excellent. One of the first thing I look for in a program is hotkeys. In fact, some have so many that it’s hard to memorise all of them. But at least they’re there!
The only problem I have with Windows shortcuts being linked to them is that, because they are global throughout the whole system, it can unfortunately cause conflicts with other running applications that utilise those shortcuts. For instance, I could assign a ctrl+alt+q shortcut to launch QWS (a MIDI sequencer), and another application may use ctrl+alt+q to mean quit. I have known ctrl+alt+o for options, ctrl+alt+x for exit, ctrl+alt+n/p for next/previous, all of which can be assigned to a Windows hotkey, and then it’s touch and go as to which item activates. Otherwise, I’m definitely all for hotkeys!
As an aside, I must admit I do find it odd, and mildly frustrating that there are four modifier keys that can be used to register hotkeys and yet it is still possible to run out of logical keys! This is even more so for global shortcut-linked ones, since I think you can only have ctrl+alt and ctrl+shift combos. Possibly if you’re extremely dextrous you might be able to have ctrl+shift+alt, I haven’t dared to try that one. Lol.
First letter navigation. Now you mention it I am aware of it. I use it all the time to move quickly to files in Explorer. But for some reason it didn’t cross my mind for the desktop (even though I know that is also controlled by explorer). I guess because my explorer is in detail view, and the desktop shows as a sort of grid layout I treated them as two separate systems. Strange how brains work!
Cheers.
Damien.


Re: Questions and suggestions

Gene
 

I don't know what you know and, as I said, I don't want to assume.  I have written this somewhat long message in case you don't know some of what I'm discussing.  Others can provide discussions of good instructional material, if you wish.  If you already know what I've explained here, then this message won't tell you anything new but I'd rather discuss these matters than not so you and others following the thread will have the information if interested.. 
 
I don't know how much you know about efficient navigation in Windows structures.  You don't have to go through item after item.  There's first letter navigation.  And if you have six items on the desktop that begin with the letter n, you can type more of the name of the item.  For example, typing nv will take you to the NVDA icon.  You don't just have to type the first letter.  In the all programs list, you can use first letter navigation but you can't type more than one letter as I recall. My recollection is that what I'm calling the all programs list is technically a menu.  The desktop is a list. 
 
In menus, only the designated letter will move you to the item.  In a list, typing the first letter or more will either move you to it or will move you to items that begin with the letter or letters.  Often, in menus, it's the first letter but this can't be assumed.  I believe that in the all programs menu, it's always the first letter of the item.
 
When using the start menu search field, you can often just type one word to get to something if you do a bit of experimentation to figure out what that is.  I can get immediately to Windows Live Mail by just typing the word mail.  The other words, typing either Windows or the word live brings up too many results to be efficient. 
 
Do you know how to create shortcuts and to use shortcuts, already existing or created by you, to assign short cut commands to?  I have assigned the command control alt m to open Mozilla Firefox.  I can use that command almost anywhere to open it.  I can use the command control alt w to open Windows Live Mail.  And I have lots more.  Some people like short cuts more than others but if you don't know about them and try them, you are overlooking one of the fastest and most convenient ways to open items in Windows. 
 
And short cut commands can be used to open more than programs.  They can be used to open drives or you can open a folder or a file you use constantly or a great deal just by issuing one command. 
 
Not everything I've said may apply in Windows 10, I don't know.  I don't use Windows 10.  But most of it will, or will with slight modifications.  And that is true of Windows 8 as well. 
 
I'm not trying to be didactic or dictatorial but I hope that if you don't know the things I've been discussing, that you get some good instructional material.  Windows is very convenient and efficient when used as designed.  It isn't when used as though it were something else, like DOS. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Hi Gene,
To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350 shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.
Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.
Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say for certain that I use anything more than the other.
Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to the My Documents folder!
Cheers.
Damien.


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John Sanfilippo
 

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Re: Questions and suggestions

Damien Garwood
 

Hi Gene,
To be honest, I’ve never liked the start menu, or the desktop. If you have tons and tons of things installed you often find they can be far too cluttered. I would rather type a filename, and possibly a path if the appropriate environment variables haven’t been set, than go through 350 shortcuts to find what I’m looking for.
Even back in the XP days when there was no menu search facility, I preferred the Run method, though sometimes if I knew exactly what I was looking for and I was sure I could get to it quickly (such as start, s, enter for Skype), I would use the start menu. But ever since the start menu changed in Vista, I never touched it again. Far, far too cluttered, and in my experience, the search feature was completely useless, hence the reason I’ve removed it from the Windows Features. It’s completely gone downhill.
Again though. Each to their own. I can certainly understand the appeal if you know there are only a select few programs you use on a regular basis and you do a shortcut cleanup, but I run what I need, when I need, and can’t say for certain that I use anything more than the other.
Especially now I’m starting on mainstream software development toolkits I’m becoming more and more familiar with the command line every day, so the run dialog seems trivial now, in comparison. I also find that the path environment variable and symbolic links are also rather helpful. They take a bit of grasping and setting up, but I so love Win+R, docs, enter to get to the My Documents folder!
Cheers.
Damien.


Re: hims braille display.

Rui Fontes
 

By the way...
Some costumers complain the HIMS driver do not work in Windows 10 64-bit...
Any new version of the driver?

Rui Fontes


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: P. Otter
Data: 23 de fevereiro de 2017 15:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] hims braille display.

o, no, that was not my intention to reprimand you!
what i want to say is only there is a problem with a file that comes with
nvda called hansoneconnect.dll, there are some errors in it.
i've also a hims product, the smart beetle, when i use the file
hansoneconnect.dll there are problems, i have a better one, i can use
without any problem.
i don't want to reprimand you, no way!
if you feel so,excuse me.
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevzat Adil" <@Nev>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] hims braille display.


Braille Edge is produce by HIMS. It is possible that JAWS is involved.
It happens to me that's why I felt the need to reply.. I did not
expect to be reprimanded.

On 2/23/17, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:
yes, but he talks about the hims braille display, i think it is all about
the hims braille display with nvda, because he asks the question in the nvda

list.
he don't talks about jaws.
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevzat Adil" <@Nev>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] hims braille display.


It happens to me, too, when I use JAWS, but not with NVDA. I assume
your friend is using the Braille Edge with JAWS. If so do a soft
reset (it's the button on the left side in the back of the unit) and
then restart Jaws.
Hope this helps.
Nevzat

On 2/23/17, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:
tell me more about the kind of display
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Capelle" <mcapelle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] hims braille display.


hello, my friend has a hims braille display.
when she selects it, it says, can't load hims braille display.
any suggestions?













Re: hims braille display.

P. Otter
 

o, no, that was not my intention to reprimand you!
what i want to say is only there is a problem with a file that comes with nvda called hansoneconnect.dll, there are some errors in it.
i've also a hims product, the smart beetle, when i use the file hansoneconnect.dll there are problems, i have a better one, i can use without any problem.
i don't want to reprimand you, no way!
if you feel so,excuse me.
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevzat Adil" <@Nev>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] hims braille display.


Braille Edge is produce by HIMS. It is possible that JAWS is involved.
It happens to me that's why I felt the need to reply.. I did not
expect to be reprimanded.

On 2/23/17, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:
yes, but he talks about the hims braille display, i think it is all about
the hims braille display with nvda, because he asks the question in the nvda

list.
he don't talks about jaws.
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevzat Adil" <@Nev>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] hims braille display.


It happens to me, too, when I use JAWS, but not with NVDA. I assume
your friend is using the Braille Edge with JAWS. If so do a soft
reset (it's the button on the left side in the back of the unit) and
then restart Jaws.
Hope this helps.
Nevzat

On 2/23/17, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:
tell me more about the kind of display
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Capelle" <mcapelle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] hims braille display.


hello, my friend has a hims braille display.
when she selects it, it says, can't load hims braille display.
any suggestions?












Re: Strange behavior in Gmail

Albert Ruel
 

Try maximizing the screen.

Thx, Albert

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 23, 2017, at 5:22 AM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

What browser and screen-reader are you using?  Try whatever you like, a different screen-reader, a different browser, or both.  Rarely, I have a page that doesn't display properly and changing what is being used solves the problem.  Or just use the read to end command and don't down arrow through the message.  I'm not sure if reading will be as smooth as desired, but it may be reasonably adequate. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:07 AM
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior in Gmail

I think I have raised this topic before.

When I write an email in Gmail only one word appears in each line.
Is there anything which can be done about it?

Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason
arnthor.helgason@...




Re: Strange behavior in Gmail

Øyvind Lode
 

I'm using gmail as well and I don't have this problem.
I'm using gmail standard view with firefox 51.0.1 and my screen reader
of choice is of course NVDA.
I'm running NVDA 2017.1.

On 23 February 2017 at 14:22, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
What browser and screen-reader are you using? Try whatever you like, a
different screen-reader, a different browser, or both. Rarely, I have a
page that doesn't display properly and changing what is being used solves
the problem. Or just use the read to end command and don't down arrow
through the message. I'm not sure if reading will be as smooth as desired,
but it may be reasonably adequate.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Arnþór Helgason
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 7:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Strange behavior in Gmail

I think I have raised this topic before.

When I write an email in Gmail only one word appears in each line.
Is there anything which can be done about it?

Best regards,

Arnthor Helgason
arnthor.helgason@...




Re: hims braille display.

 

Braille Edge is produce by HIMS. It is possible that JAWS is involved.
It happens to me that's why I felt the need to reply.. I did not
expect to be reprimanded.

On 2/23/17, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:
yes, but he talks about the hims braille display, i think it is all about
the hims braille display with nvda, because he asks the question in the nvda

list.
he don't talks about jaws.
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevzat Adil" <@Nev>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] hims braille display.


It happens to me, too, when I use JAWS, but not with NVDA. I assume
your friend is using the Braille Edge with JAWS. If so do a soft
reset (it's the button on the left side in the back of the unit) and
then restart Jaws.
Hope this helps.
Nevzat

On 2/23/17, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:
tell me more about the kind of display
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Capelle" <mcapelle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] hims braille display.


hello, my friend has a hims braille display.
when she selects it, it says, can't load hims braille display.
any suggestions?












Re: Questions and suggestions

Gene
 

Your discussion of the run dialog behavior doesn't match my test and it doesn't sound like expected behavior.  Type a full Internet Address, http:sitename dot com, org etc.  What you are discussing is Windows behavior and not related to NVDA.  Also, if you are mostly using the run dialog and are neglecting the start menu search and also not making shortcuts and assigning short cut commands to run applications, you are overlooking major sources of convenience, often considerably more convenient than using the run dialog. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 8:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] Questions and suggestions

Hi there,
I have a few comments, suggestions, questions etc.
1. Whenever I type anything into the Run dialog that has anything to do with NVDA, NVDA itself attempts to run.
This is a difficult one to comment on – that can be extremely helpful if NVDA has crashed, or you’re trying to revive your screenreader after some other mishap. However it also means I can’t enter any websites that have anything to do with NVDA in the address.
I do tend to access most things from the run dialog, as it’s a simple process of Win+R, type, enter, rather than having to browse for a program through explorer. Could this possibly be fixed so that a URL will take you to the appropriate place?
2. Profiles have a tendancy to use all settings, when you might want to keep some of the global settings active. For instance, if a profile is running and I change the audio output, as soon as that profile is deactivated the audio reverts back when chances are I want it to stay. Again, difficult to comment on, since not sure how it would be possible to have an option for any or every setting to stay global for a profile etc.
3. Even if no profiles are used, if you change the audio device, tones played by NVDA (for instance indentation, progress bars etc) don’t take this change into account until NVDA is restarted. I’m assuming this is a bug.
4. I have replaced the default NVDA sounds and would prefer it to retain my sounds after an update if at all possible. I do understand why the original sounds folder is reverted (it probably sees the sounds in its own package as being part of the upgrade, or perhaps it simply replaces every file in case of other conflicts), but perhaps a soundscheme setting or a user sounds folder could be a possibility?
5. This is perhaps the most important – NVDA seems to have a tendancy to miss labels and static texts that other screenreaders have no problems finding. I myself noticed a change in a program I used to use quite regularly when switching to NVDA a few years ago, and I’m finding more and more programs that I’m downloading or using simply saying “edit”, “list”, “button” etc without giving any indication as to what these controls are trying to tell me. This also goes for some webpages, where labels can and often are attached to the control they are referencing. Some treeviews also seem unaware of their items names, statuses etc, saying “Unknown” for every node and no indication as to whether it has subitems etc. When these kinds of things crop up I am automatically assuming that these are application-specific accessibility issues, but when I’m seeing this behaviour for multiple applications and people with other screenreaders are using them with no issues it does make me wonder if NVDA has some issues somewhere. Granted, NVDA works well with a lot of applications, but I’m wondering whether it has internal support for most of these? Does every application ideally need an app module for optimal accessibility?
Cheers.
Damien.


Questions and suggestions

Damien Garwood
 

Hi there,
I have a few comments, suggestions, questions etc.
1. Whenever I type anything into the Run dialog that has anything to do with NVDA, NVDA itself attempts to run.
This is a difficult one to comment on – that can be extremely helpful if NVDA has crashed, or you’re trying to revive your screenreader after some other mishap. However it also means I can’t enter any websites that have anything to do with NVDA in the address.
I do tend to access most things from the run dialog, as it’s a simple process of Win+R, type, enter, rather than having to browse for a program through explorer. Could this possibly be fixed so that a URL will take you to the appropriate place?
2. Profiles have a tendancy to use all settings, when you might want to keep some of the global settings active. For instance, if a profile is running and I change the audio output, as soon as that profile is deactivated the audio reverts back when chances are I want it to stay. Again, difficult to comment on, since not sure how it would be possible to have an option for any or every setting to stay global for a profile etc.
3. Even if no profiles are used, if you change the audio device, tones played by NVDA (for instance indentation, progress bars etc) don’t take this change into account until NVDA is restarted. I’m assuming this is a bug.
4. I have replaced the default NVDA sounds and would prefer it to retain my sounds after an update if at all possible. I do understand why the original sounds folder is reverted (it probably sees the sounds in its own package as being part of the upgrade, or perhaps it simply replaces every file in case of other conflicts), but perhaps a soundscheme setting or a user sounds folder could be a possibility?
5. This is perhaps the most important – NVDA seems to have a tendancy to miss labels and static texts that other screenreaders have no problems finding. I myself noticed a change in a program I used to use quite regularly when switching to NVDA a few years ago, and I’m finding more and more programs that I’m downloading or using simply saying “edit”, “list”, “button” etc without giving any indication as to what these controls are trying to tell me. This also goes for some webpages, where labels can and often are attached to the control they are referencing. Some treeviews also seem unaware of their items names, statuses etc, saying “Unknown” for every node and no indication as to whether it has subitems etc. When these kinds of things crop up I am automatically assuming that these are application-specific accessibility issues, but when I’m seeing this behaviour for multiple applications and people with other screenreaders are using them with no issues it does make me wonder if NVDA has some issues somewhere. Granted, NVDA works well with a lot of applications, but I’m wondering whether it has internal support for most of these? Does every application ideally need an app module for optimal accessibility?
Cheers.
Damien.


Re: hims braille display.

P. Otter
 

yes, but he talks about the hims braille display, i think it is all about the hims braille display with nvda, because he asks the question in the nvda list.
he don't talks about jaws.
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nevzat Adil" <@Nev>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] hims braille display.


It happens to me, too, when I use JAWS, but not with NVDA. I assume
your friend is using the Braille Edge with JAWS. If so do a soft
reset (it's the button on the left side in the back of the unit) and
then restart Jaws.
Hope this helps.
Nevzat

On 2/23/17, P. Otter <pam.otter@...> wrote:
tell me more about the kind of display
cheers
paul otter

----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Capelle" <mcapelle@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:49 AM
Subject: [nvda] hims braille display.


hello, my friend has a hims braille display.
when she selects it, it says, can't load hims braille display.
any suggestions?








2/22 Next install

John Hedges
 

Seems like some changes in the latest NVDA build are causing sluggish hangs after a few hours of use on build 15031. I have had to force a sign out to reset the system. Mail and Edge are both open when the hang scenario occurs. It has occurred three times so far.

 

I also note some Edge issues on secure sites that were actually working better before this update.

 

John

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