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Re: unsure

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I didn't say anything about losing alt tab. I said that when I am on a line of text and I hold down the shift key as I down arrow it use to read that line of text. now it does not. When I shift tab it does not announce where I am. Thogh if I shift tab twice in a row it will announce the second item I get to.

I am running the latest NVDA, the latest Windows 10, I have rebooted nvda, I have even set it back to factory standards and the problem still exists.It is not happening with Jaws but I would rather use NVDA as my default. I noticed this Sunday night when I went to update my internet stream guide. I use notepad for that. What is odd is that it is selecting the material I just don't hear it say anything. So I am not sure.----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 9:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] unsure

What version of NVDA, what version of windows, what have you done to troubleshoot. Have you tried rebooting the computer, and restarting nvda? What do you mean by  “losing alt tab?” Does that mean the key gets stuck virtually? Also have you tried running the com registry fixing tool found under tools in nvda?

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] unsure

 

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Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Louise

Apologies for continuing this thread but the reason I’m interested is because my system behaves exactly the same as yours.  In my case I changed my default browser to Brave but the User Guide always opened in Edge.  The part I don’t understand about your explanation is that you say you open the User Guide from the main NVDA web site, which is something I have never done.  I always press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu, then press h to open the Help menu, then press enter as the User Guide is the first item on the list.  What browser is opened when you do this?

 

Cheers

Chris          

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 02 February 2021 19:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  I was referring to the link to the user guide on the main NVDA website.  I don't feel comfortable using the advanced repair tools myself that were mentioned earlier in this thread without assistance.  I agree that this behaviour is idiosyncratic, particularly in view of the fact that Edge is set as my default browser.

Thanks,

Louise 

 


NVDA beta announcements

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  Are the NVDA beta announcements only made on the discussion list?

Thanks,

Louise


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I was referring to the link to the user guide on the main NVDA website.  I don't feel comfortable using the advanced repair tools myself that were mentioned earlier in this thread without assistance.  I agree that this behaviour is idiosyncratic, particularly in view of the fact that Edge is set as my default browser.

Thanks,

Louise 


Re: changing English to Spanish: English accent

Jacob Kruger
 

Fabian, maybe, depending on content, and if you've set it to something like eSpeak Spanish, under voice settings - NVDA+ctrl+V - try testing differences if Automatic language switching (when supported), and Automatic dialect switching (when supported) checkboxes are turned off - issue there is it might pick up different language encodings, other than the text itself.


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On 2021-02-02 05:26 PM, Fabian Hinostroza wrote:

I got a person who is using NVDA for the first time and she is Spanish speaking. I change her laptop to Spanish and I was able to go NVDA setting and change the language to Spanish. The problem is that when it talks in Spanish it has a heavy English accent and at time reads incorrectly. Do I have to download a add on  or something ?

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Re: unsure

Sarah k Alawami
 

What version of NVDA, what version of windows, what have you done to troubleshoot. Have you tried rebooting the computer, and restarting nvda? What do you mean by  “losing alt tab?” Does that mean the key gets stuck virtually? Also have you tried running the com registry fixing tool found under tools in nvda?

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 2:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] unsure

 

I am losing speech during the following instances:

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Re: NVDA problems with excel when editing form fill

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 06:19 AM, William wrote:
I have tried using the define name function, but NVDA would not read out the columns by its defined title.
-
I'm not doubting what you're saying, but I'm at a loss to explain it.

I am certain this has been discussed numerous times on this very group, and that it has worked for most who've gone that route.  Even though the tutorial was JAWS focused, the same technique to define column and row headers in Excel itself applies regardless of screen reader and NVDA has been known to read headers so created.
 
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Re: changing English to Spanish: English accent

Tyler Spivey
 

Did you change the voice to match the language?
If you don't have a Spanish voice installed, it won't work. If you want OneCore, you'll have to go into the speech settings and install one, then switch NVDA to it.

Windows Settings, Time & Language, Language, Manage speech language.

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I got a person who is using NVDA for the first time and she is Spanish speaking. I change her laptop to Spanish and I was able to go NVDA setting and change the language to Spanish. The problem is that when it talks in Spanish it has a heavy English accent and at time reads incorrectly. Do I have to download a add on  or something ?
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changing English to Spanish: English accent

Fabian Hinostroza
 

I got a person who is using NVDA for the first time and she is Spanish speaking. I change her laptop to Spanish and I was able to go NVDA setting and change the language to Spanish. The problem is that when it talks in Spanish it has a heavy English accent and at time reads incorrectly. Do I have to download a add on  or something ?

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Re: NVDA problems with excel when editing form fill

William
 

Well, I have tried using the define name function, but NVDA would not read out the columns by its defined title.


Brian Vogel 於 31/1/2021 0:17 寫道:

Regardless of the screen reader being used, I strongly encourage the use of Excel's built-in column and row designation so that the burden is not on the screen reader, nor any other screen reader user, to set this up if the workbook is handled by someone else.

What follows is an excellent tutorial, with background information, written by Alan Lemly on the Microsoft Office Accessibility Discussion Group regarding how to do what I've just mentioned.
-------------------------

Reading Row and Column Headers Using Excel Defined Titles – A Tutorial

by Alan Lemly

 

Original text can be found at:  https://groups.io/g/office-accessibility/topic/77311167

As someone else posted, Freedom Scientific has a document explaining the use of row and column headers in Excel at this website:

https://doccenter.freedomscientific.com/doccenter/doccenter/rs25c51746a0cc/2013-09-25_ExcelAndWordHeaders/02_HeadersInExcel.htm

While that site has an excellent explanation of the process, it has a major omission which prevents defined name titles from speaking when set up. As explained at that site, users of Excel with JAWS have two different options if they'd like to create row and column headers that can be saved and accessed:

1.   Titles (i.e., row headers and column headers) created using the define name feature of Excel. This is the preferred method because these titles can be created by those not even using JAWS and accessed at a later time by anyone with JAWS because they are saved with the spreadsheet.

2.   Titles created using JAWS quick settings dialog box. These titles are saved in a workbook-specific JSI file located in your personal settings folder, a separate file that is created and has to accompany the workbook everywhere it goes.

This tutorial will explain option 1 since its titles can be saved with the workbook, transferred to another JAWS user, and does not require use of a separate JSI file to work. What this method does require that is omitted from the Freedom Scientific explanation is a change to a default setting for Defined name column and row titles override so that title reading of these defined ranges will occur. Therefore, the default override must be set to off instead of on. You can access this setting by:

·        Pressing Insert + V to access the quick settings

·        Typing Title reading in the search box

·        Arrow down through the search results to the first one which is Define name column and row titles override and making sure it is set to off. By default, mine was originally set to on which causes this preferred title reading method not to work.

 

My thanks to Ann Byrne of the main@jfw.groups.io list who originally explained defined titles to me and the need to turn off the override so they will read properly with JAWS.

I'm creating a sample Excel spreadsheet for this post to help with my explanation. I'll include a Dropbox download link at the end for those who want it. This sample spreadsheet is for tracking books which I've read. It contains the following column headings beginning in cell A1 and continuing through cell H1. 

Title

Author

Narrator

Date Finished

NLS Book Number

Book Length

Rating

Comments

This spreadsheet will end up containing many rows since I read a lot so when defining the range which will include the column and row headers, I'm going to estimate the number of rows it should contain to include future expansion. I've made the first column be the title of the book since it makes since as I arrow up and down the various rows in the sheet that the book title be announced as I land on a new row. The intersection of the column headers and row headers that I want Excel to red as I navigate through the sheet is cell A1 so focus should be there when the defined range is created. To create the range, with focus on cell A1:

1.   Press alt + m + m. This will place you on the ribbon bar on the define name button and you should press enter.

2.   You will be in a text box where you create the defined name of your column and row headers. I almost exclusively use both column and row headers for most of my spreadsheets since they normally contain multiple rows and columns.  In this case, your defined name should begin with the word Title. If you only want row headers, your defined name should begin with RowTitle. If you only want column headers, your defined name should begin with ColumnTitle. You should have no spaces in the defined title text box so if your spreadsheet has multiple regions for which you want separate defined titles, I'd suggest you use Region1, Region2, etc. after title with no spaces to distinguish your defined title ranges. Use a period to separate the name of the defined title from the cell range comprising it. In my example spreadsheet, my columns run from A1 through H1 and I'm estimating 1000 rows so my defined title will be TitleRegion1.A1.H1000. I could have omitted Region1 since I don't expect more regions on this sheet but included it for reference purposes.

3.   Press tab until you get to the Ok button and hit enter to complete the creation of your defined title range. If you later need to edit it, open the range manager by pressing alt + m + n and select the range you want to edit and press alt + e. You will be placed in a text box where you can make changes.

After you've entered book info of the titles you've red, arrowing up and down in the sheet will result in JAWS reading the book title of the particular row. Arrowing right and left through the various columns will result in JAWS reading the column heading of that column. Provided you turned off the title reading of defined range override mentioned earlier in this document, your row and column title headers should be read by JAWS. Also, you can give a copy of your workbook to anyone else using JAWS and those row and column headers will also be read for them provided they turn off the defined title reading override.

Here is a Dropbox download link to Books read sample spreadsheet mentioned above:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z16eb63i679t6b0/Books%20read%20for%20OA.xlsx?dl=1

I hope this helps.

Alan Lemly

 

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Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Louise

What NVDA web site are you referring to in this post?  I’m confused as to what browser you are wanting the user guide to open in.  As I explained previously,  the User Guide shortcut in the NVDA menu will open in whatever browser you have assigned to .htm and .html filetypes. 

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: Louise Pfau
Sent: 01 February 2021 19:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

Hi.  When I opened the user guide from the NVDA website, it opened in Edge.  It seems to be the shortcuts to the user guide in the NVDA menus that open in another browser.

Thanks,

Louise

 


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Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  Thanks for the tip.  I had to turn off language detection for this particular page, because it was reading all of the punctuation marks in German, but the rest of the text in English.  Sarah, I'm not offended that you thought it was French.  I'm no longer fluent, but I knew enough to know what it was doing.

Louise


Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi group,

I am joining this thread very late, so if this has already been discussed, I apologize. When I open the NVDA user guide on my Windows 10 latest updates 64 bit system, it opens in my default browser which is Firefox.

I did notice for quite a while that using Cortana, when it brings up a search result that is a reference to a web page, until about a year and a half ago--even with Windows 10 64 bit latest update, the page would open in old outdated Internet Explorer--which apparently was still present in some form long after it's discontinuation. This changed a year and a half or so ago, so with the later updates of Windows 10, the default browser is used for all such search--including NVDA user guide.

I am a bit surprised that with Windows 10, the new chrome base edge doesn't open up in such case, but apparently later versions of Windows 10 default to the default browser--which is more convenient anyway.

On 2/1/2021 8:21 PM, Gene wrote:
On further consideration, I would say that seemingly impossible may convey great doubt but leaves the possibility opened.  It also can mean it seems impossible but it likely or actually happened.  It depends on the context.

However, the confusion is that the original message says That does not seem possible.  that is asserting very great doubt and the rest of the message conveys that as well.  I may have said seemingly impossible in response to your message.  I didn't quote the phrase and that is evidently the cause of the dispute.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

It leaves the possibility opened but it is meant to convey very great doubt.
I'm saying that I don't have such doubt.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I was responding to Sarah saying it doesn't seem possible.-
And I was responding to your glossing over of the use of "seem," which
you've just done again, in another way.

Saying something is seemingly impossible does not, and never has, meant it's
literally impossible, or not happening.  In fact "seemingly impossible" or
"seems impossible" is most often used when discussing something one believes
would be impossible but know has actually happened.
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Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Gene
 

On further consideration, I would say that seemingly impossible may convey great doubt but leaves the possibility opened. It also can mean it seems impossible but it likely or actually happened. It depends on the context.

However, the confusion is that the original message says That does not seem possible. that is asserting very great doubt and the rest of the message conveys that as well. I may have said seemingly impossible in response to your message. I didn't quote the phrase and that is evidently the cause of the dispute.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

It leaves the possibility opened but it is meant to convey very great doubt.
I'm saying that I don't have such doubt.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I was responding to Sarah saying it doesn't seem possible.-
And I was responding to your glossing over of the use of "seem," which
you've just done again, in another way.

Saying something is seemingly impossible does not, and never has, meant it's
literally impossible, or not happening. In fact "seemingly impossible" or
"seems impossible" is most often used when discussing something one believes
would be impossible but know has actually happened.

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Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Sarah k Alawami
 

Well, I won’t worry about it for now. It’s not a big deal. Now I know what to do should that happen again.

 

Thanks all.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 3:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

 

If you disable 'Automatic language switching" does it make a difference?

 

I just had a quick look at the code and for me the only Lang attribute I can find on the page (reading the original message in GMail's web interface) is in the HTML tag itself: <html lang="en">

 

Very curious.

 

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 8:33 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

It has to do with automatic language switching.  HTML identifies the
language being used and if automatic language switching is on in NVDA and
supported by the synthesizer being used, the symthesizer will try to speak
in the language designated in the HTML.

I don't know enough about the setting to discuss turning it off nor which
synthesizers support it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



I have not changed anything. I don't even know how to read anything other
than English. But her messages come through in French or something like
that.



Here is the odd thing. If I select, I can read the message but if I just
listen, at least with my speech synth it comes out in some odd language.  I
even tried with espeak. Here is a very short file of what I mean. I dun no
even how I should submit this to GitHub as this might be a picnic error, at
least for the 2 of us who hear it.



Link to db file is here.





-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



That is indeed odd, as all your messages come in in English for me.

Christina's messages however read in another language using Gmail's web
interface. When Brian quotes them, they come through in English.

This has happened occasionally on this list, and only this list.



On 2/1/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

> Sarah,

>

> This is the second message you've said came through in another

> languages - it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just

> fine.  I'm trying to think what the issue you are hitting could be  -

> I would have assumed even if you had somehow set Outlook to use

> another language, it still wouldn't automatically translate messages,

> just the interface (much like if you set NVDA's interface language to

> another language, it only changes how NVDA's menus are presented and

> NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for instance the text of an
> email.

>

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

>

>> I have no idea what the conversation was about,  but would Microsoft

>> sway work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up

>> in another language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.

>>

>>

>>

>> Tc all.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of

>> *Quentin Christensen

>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

>>

>>

>>

>> I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now.

>> These content controls on the developer ribbon have always been

>> problematic in one way or another (and if not in entering them, then

>> in filling in the forms they create).

>>

>>

>>

>> So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make?  Word is

>> likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you

>> want people to fill in like this.  Something like Google forms are

>> popular for online survey type forms.  For something you want people

>> to be able to either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular,
>> ordinary table:

>>

>>

>>

>> - Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label

>> ("name", "address", etc), and the right column is where you type your

>> response

>>

>> - For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label

>> ("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width

>> cell below that to enter the response.

>>

>>

>>

>> A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab

>> through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will

>> work for just about everyone.

>>

>>

>>

>> Quentin

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc

>> <ebetiucristina@...>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Good afternoon everybody!

>> I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.

>>

>>    1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t

>>    Looks like they have iven not been incerted.

>>    2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not

>>    read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not

>> Show the

>>    Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus

>> mode. Can you

>>    helpp me further?

>>

>> I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

>>

>> greetings

>>

>>

>>

>> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>

>> für Windows 10

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>>

>> Quentin Christensen

>> Training and Support Manager

>>

>>

>>

>> Web: www.nvaccess.org

>>

>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

>>

>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

>>

>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

>>

>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

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Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Gene
 

It leaves the possibility opened but it is meant to convey very great doubt. I'm saying that I don't have such doubt.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I was responding to Sarah saying it doesn't seem possible.-
And I was responding to your glossing over of the use of "seem," which you've just done again, in another way.

Saying something is seemingly impossible does not, and never has, meant it's literally impossible, or not happening. In fact "seemingly impossible" or "seems impossible" is most often used when discussing something one believes would be impossible but know has actually happened.

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Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

 

On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 05:08 PM, Gene wrote:
I was responding to Sarah saying it doesn't seem possible.
-
And I was responding to your glossing over of the use of "seem," which you've just done again, in another way.

Saying something is seemingly impossible does not, and never has, meant it's literally impossible, or not happening.  In fact "seemingly impossible" or "seems impossible" is most often used when discussing something one believes would be impossible but know has actually happened.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Gene
 

That's what is telling the screen-reader to use whatever language is specified. There is also a dialect tag. I don't know if they are generally both used, but I've seen complaints from people who go to a web page and their screen-reader suddenly starts speaking with a different English accent.

My understanding is that turning off automatic language switching will stop this behavior.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word


If you disable 'Automatic language switching" does it make a difference?

I just had a quick look at the code and for me the only Lang attribute I can find on the page (reading the original message in GMail's web interface) is in the HTML tag itself: <html lang="en">

Very curious.


On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 8:33 AM Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
It has to do with automatic language switching. HTML identifies the
language being used and if automatic language switching is on in NVDA and
supported by the synthesizer being used, the symthesizer will try to speak
in the language designated in the HTML.

I don't know enough about the setting to discuss turning it off nor which
synthesizers support it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



I have not changed anything. I don't even know how to read anything other
than English. But her messages come through in French or something like
that.



Here is the odd thing. If I select, I can read the message but if I just
listen, at least with my speech synth it comes out in some odd language. I
even tried with espeak. Here is a very short file of what I mean. I dun no
even how I should submit this to GitHub as this might be a picnic error, at
least for the 2 of us who hear it.



Link to db file is here.





-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



That is indeed odd, as all your messages come in in English for me.

Christina's messages however read in another language using Gmail's web
interface. When Brian quotes them, they come through in English.

This has happened occasionally on this list, and only this list.



On 2/1/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:

Sarah,
This is the second message you've said came through in another
languages - it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just
fine. I'm trying to think what the issue you are hitting could be -
I would have assumed even if you had somehow set Outlook to use
another language, it still wouldn't automatically translate messages,
just the interface (much like if you set NVDA's interface language to
another language, it only changes how NVDA's menus are presented and
NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for instance the text of an
email.
On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I have no idea what the conversation was about, but would Microsoft
sway work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up
in another language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.
Tc all.
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of
*Quentin Christensen
*Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word
I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now.
These content controls on the developer ribbon have always been
problematic in one way or another (and if not in entering them, then
in filling in the forms they create).
So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make? Word is
likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you
want people to fill in like this. Something like Google forms are
popular for online survey type forms. For something you want people
to be able to either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular,
ordinary table:
- Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label
("name", "address", etc), and the right column is where you type your
response
- For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label
("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width
cell below that to enter the response.
A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab
through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will
work for just about everyone.
Quentin
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc
<ebetiucristina@gmail.com>
wrote:
Good afternoon everybody!
I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.
1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t
Looks like they have iven not been incerted.
2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not
read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not
Show the
Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus
mode. Can you
helpp me further?
I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!
greetings
Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
für Windows 10
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Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
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Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

Quentin Christensen
 

If you disable 'Automatic language switching" does it make a difference?

I just had a quick look at the code and for me the only Lang attribute I can find on the page (reading the original message in GMail's web interface) is in the HTML tag itself: <html lang="en">

Very curious.

On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 8:33 AM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
It has to do with automatic language switching.  HTML identifies the
language being used and if automatic language switching is on in NVDA and
supported by the synthesizer being used, the symthesizer will try to speak
in the language designated in the HTML.

I don't know enough about the setting to discuss turning it off nor which
synthesizers support it.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, February 01, 2021 2:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



I have not changed anything. I don't even know how to read anything other
than English. But her messages come through in French or something like
that.



Here is the odd thing. If I select, I can read the message but if I just
listen, at least with my speech synth it comes out in some odd language.  I
even tried with espeak. Here is a very short file of what I mean. I dun no
even how I should submit this to GitHub as this might be a picnic error, at
least for the 2 of us who hear it.



Link to db file is here.





-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Monday, February 1, 2021 11:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word



That is indeed odd, as all your messages come in in English for me.

Christina's messages however read in another language using Gmail's web
interface. When Brian quotes them, they come through in English.

This has happened occasionally on this list, and only this list.



On 2/1/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

> Sarah,

>

> This is the second message you've said came through in another

> languages - it's in English for me, and NVDA reads it in English just

> fine.  I'm trying to think what the issue you are hitting could be  -

> I would have assumed even if you had somehow set Outlook to use

> another language, it still wouldn't automatically translate messages,

> just the interface (much like if you set NVDA's interface language to

> another language, it only changes how NVDA's menus are presented and

> NVDA messages and words are spoken - not for instance the text of an
> email.

>

>

>

> On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 3:15 PM Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:

>

>> I have no idea what the conversation was about,  but would Microsoft

>> sway work? I’m only going based on your ideas, Quentin. It shows up

>> in another language here in outlook. Sorry if I’m way off base here.

>>

>>

>>

>> Tc all.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> *From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of

>> *Quentin Christensen

>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 8:09 PM

>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io

>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] Problems with NVDA and Formulars in MS word

>>

>>

>>

>> I thought we had an issue for this, but I can't find it just now.

>> These content controls on the developer ribbon have always been

>> problematic in one way or another (and if not in entering them, then

>> in filling in the forms they create).

>>

>>

>>

>> So the other part of this is - what are you trying to make?  Word is

>> likely not the best solution for creating something like a form you

>> want people to fill in like this.  Something like Google forms are

>> popular for online survey type forms.  For something you want people

>> to be able to either fill out on the PC, or print out, use a regular,
>> ordinary table:

>>

>>

>>

>> - Have two columns where the cell in the left column is the label

>> ("name", "address", etc), and the right column is where you type your

>> response

>>

>> - For longer responses, have a full table-width cell with the label

>> ("Please explain why you want to go to Mars?") and a full table-width

>> cell below that to enter the response.

>>

>>

>>

>> A table like this can be printed and filled in by pen, or you can tab

>> through the table and fill in details as appropriate, and it will

>> work for just about everyone.

>>

>>

>>

>> Quentin

>>

>>

>>

>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021 at 3:20 AM Cristina Ebetiuc

>> <ebetiucristina@...>

>> wrote:

>>

>> Good afternoon everybody!

>> I have got some issues with NVDA in relation with Formulars in word.

>>

>>    1. NVDA doesn’t Show the old Formulars from the developer Tools. I t

>>    Looks like they have iven not been incerted.

>>    2. NVDA Shows the new Formulars from the developer Tools but does not

>>    read the names. I have called a chekbox yes, but NVDA does not

>> Show the

>>    Name. Nothing does not work nor in read mode neither in Focus

>> mode. Can you

>>    helpp me further?

>>

>> I am Looking foreward to receiving your feetback!

>>

>> greetings

>>

>>

>>

>> Gesendet von Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>

>> für Windows 10

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> --

>>

>> Quentin Christensen

>> Training and Support Manager

>>

>>

>>

>> Web: www.nvaccess.org

>>

>> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

>>

>> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

>>

>> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

>>

>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

>> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

> --

> Quentin Christensen

> Training and Support Manager

>

> Web: www.nvaccess.org

> Training: https://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

> Certification: https://certification.nvaccess.org/

> User group: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda

> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess

> Twitter: @NVAccess <https://twitter.com/NVAccess>

>

>

>

>

>

>




















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