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Re: which is the most accessible virtual machine

J.G
 

Hi,

I've tested all three major providers of virtualisation software in W10 pro (VB, VMWare and Hyper-V from MS) and found, that for now, the least accessible is VB, but I cannot decide, which is more accessible. is it VM ware or Hyper-V?
Anyway I found next problem: When I started a VM and expected, that setup of os (w10 insider preview 16232) will begin, I don't hear any feedback from Narrator.

Yes, I pressed ctrl + windows + enter to enable it when VM was started.

So I ask you do I need a sighted assistance to setup an os into a VM or is there any chanse to do this task (instalation of os into VM) without sighted assistance?

Many thanks for your reply.

Regards, Jožef


Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

Gene
 

I should also point out that the log doesn't say either that no JAVA access bridge nor no Braille is stated as an error.  The log might say warning: no this or that available.  I haven't looked at the log to any extent before this and I don't know what the log says when it detects an error.  But it cannot be assumed that a message that says warning and not error, is considered by NVDA to be an error nor that it generates the error sound. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

I looked at my NVDA log and it also says JAVA Access Bridge not available and it is listed as an error.  I don't have JAVA on my machine nor do I have any program that requires it.  Don't assume that an error has any meaning or is the cause of a problem just because a log has an error.  You could spend a lot of time solving a problem that doesn't exist.  I'm saying that to people in general.  There was no reason to assume the error message had anything to do with the error sound being played.  No one had established that no access bridge ever causes an error nor whether the computer in question has or is running any JAVA programs other than JAVA itself.  and if just running JAVA with no access bridge would cause an error sound, I expect that we would have seen questions about the error sound long before this.  A lot of people have JAVA running and never use it. 
 
In a case like this, the very first thing that should have been done was for others to see if they have the same error message in their logs and were not having the error sound played.  I have some sort of Braille error message as well because I don't use a Braille display.  Again, the log shows this as an error.  It is meaningless. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

The first question is whether the error message is caused by the JAVA access bridge not being available.  Does NVDA make an error sound if a JAVA application runs and no Access bridge is available?  Do you even need the JAVA access bridge?  If a JAVA program is running on your machine, do you ever use it or need it?  Most people don't need JAVA.  To this point the assumption has been that the JAVA access bridge is needed and that that is the cause of the error.  But are those assumptions correct? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

hi.
if you need java,
you can install it from
www.java.com

On 8/4/17, 高生旺 <coscell@...> wrote:
> Perhaps you're right I'm not sure. But how to fix it. I really don't like
> to hear the warning sound after starting nvda.
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 00:32:50
>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>     <bglists@...>
>> Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?
>>
>> Some software needs both the 32 and 64 bit versions  installing and
>> activating.
>> However from what the original post says, I'm not convinced this is the
>> error
>> that is heard. My feeling is that it has something to do with character
>> sets.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?
>>
>>
>> hi.
>> for which purpose do you need java access briedge?
>> i dont think that nvda faces a problem when its not available!
>> i dont think that its different for activating this in different
>> versions of windows.
>> God bless you.
>>
>> On 8/3/17, 高生旺 <coscell@...> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
>>> And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not
>>> available".
>>> How can I enable it?
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

Gene
 

I looked at my NVDA log and it also says JAVA Access Bridge not available and it is listed as an error.  I don't have JAVA on my machine nor do I have any program that requires it.  Don't assume that an error has any meaning or is the cause of a problem just because a log has an error.  You could spend a lot of time solving a problem that doesn't exist.  I'm saying that to people in general.  There was no reason to assume the error message had anything to do with the error sound being played.  No one had established that no access bridge ever causes an error nor whether the computer in question has or is running any JAVA programs other than JAVA itself.  and if just running JAVA with no access bridge would cause an error sound, I expect that we would have seen questions about the error sound long before this.  A lot of people have JAVA running and never use it. 
 
In a case like this, the very first thing that should have been done was for others to see if they have the same error message in their logs and were not having the error sound played.  I have some sort of Braille error message as well because I don't use a Braille display.  Again, the log shows this as an error.  It is meaningless. 
 
Gene
----- original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

The first question is whether the error message is caused by the JAVA access bridge not being available.  Does NVDA make an error sound if a JAVA application runs and no Access bridge is available?  Do you even need the JAVA access bridge?  If a JAVA program is running on your machine, do you ever use it or need it?  Most people don't need JAVA.  To this point the assumption has been that the JAVA access bridge is needed and that that is the cause of the error.  But are those assumptions correct? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

hi.
if you need java,
you can install it from
www.java.com

On 8/4/17, 高生旺 <coscell@...> wrote:
> Perhaps you're right I'm not sure. But how to fix it. I really don't like
> to hear the warning sound after starting nvda.
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 00:32:50
>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>     <bglists@...>
>> Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?
>>
>> Some software needs both the 32 and 64 bit versions  installing and
>> activating.
>> However from what the original post says, I'm not convinced this is the
>> error
>> that is heard. My feeling is that it has something to do with character
>> sets.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?
>>
>>
>> hi.
>> for which purpose do you need java access briedge?
>> i dont think that nvda faces a problem when its not available!
>> i dont think that its different for activating this in different
>> versions of windows.
>> God bless you.
>>
>> On 8/3/17, 高生旺 <coscell@...> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
>>> And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not
>>> available".
>>> How can I enable it?
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

Gene
 

The first question is whether the error message is caused by the JAVA access bridge not being available.  Does NVDA make an error sound if a JAVA application runs and no Access bridge is available?  Do you even need the JAVA access bridge?  If a JAVA program is running on your machine, do you ever use it or need it?  Most people don't need JAVA.  To this point the assumption has been that the JAVA access bridge is needed and that that is the cause of the error.  But are those assumptions correct? 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

hi.
if you need java,
you can install it from
www.java.com

On 8/4/17, 高生旺 <coscell@...> wrote:
> Perhaps you're right I'm not sure. But how to fix it. I really don't like
> to hear the warning sound after starting nvda.
> Thanks!
>
> On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
>
>> Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 00:32:50
>> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>     <bglists@...>
>> Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?
>>
>> Some software needs both the 32 and 64 bit versions  installing and
>> activating.
>> However from what the original post says, I'm not convinced this is the
>> error
>> that is heard. My feeling is that it has something to do with character
>> sets.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?
>>
>>
>> hi.
>> for which purpose do you need java access briedge?
>> i dont think that nvda faces a problem when its not available!
>> i dont think that its different for activating this in different
>> versions of windows.
>> God bless you.
>>
>> On 8/3/17, 高生旺 <coscell@...> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
>>> And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not
>>> available".
>>> How can I enable it?
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvdadevelopers and experts please help me.

 

hi.
i wish that * Digits prior to the first period in a number sequence
are spoken as a whole number, digits thereafter also are spoken whole
number.
i dont use any synthesizer other than espeak.
what should i do?

On 8/4/17, Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Andre

Thanks for this, I tried Eloquence with the British English setting and it
does indeed read a zero after the decimal point, the problem is the accent
is awful so I’ll put up with the o’s. Regarding Espeak, it does read as
zero, perhaps I was reading the text after switching synths.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre
Fisher
Sent: 3 August 2017 22:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before:
nvdadevelopers and experts please help me.



Hi.



It is very important to distinguish that NVDA is not, and I repeat not,
responsible for the processing of numbers. All this functionality is
controlled by the synthesizer of choice. In certain locales and regions, the
period (or full stop) symbolizes the decimal point. After it is encountered,
numbers are read by single digits by most synthesizers. Eloquence, with the
American English setting, will pronounce the 0 as an ‘o’ as that is common
in North America. I haven’t seen eSpeak do this any at all.



Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows
10



From: Chris Mullins <mailto:cjmullins29@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 4:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before:
nvdadevelopers and experts please help me.



Further to the topic of number processing, below are typical number
sequences I come across on a daily basis and some observations regarding
their processing by NVDA:



Decimal Number using thousands separator = 123,056,789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty thre comma zero five six comma seven hundred
eighty nine point o o

Decimal number without thousands separator = 123056789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty three million fifty six thousand seven hundred
eighty nine point o o

IP address = 192.168.20.1

Speaks as one hundred ninety two point one six eight point 2 o point one

Phone number 01246 567890

Speaks as zero one two four six five hundred sixty seven thousand eight
hundred ninety

24 hour based time = 19:28:09

Speaks as nineteen colon twenty eight colon zero nine



Observations:

* Digits prior to a thousands separator, space or line terminator are voiced
as individual whole numbers except when the segment of the number begins
with a zero in which case digits for that segment are spoken individually.

* Digits prior to the first period in a number sequence are spoken as a
whole number, digits thereafter are spoken individually.

* After a period has been encountered in the number sequence, the zero digit
is spoken is the letter o.



I don't know if the rendering of the letter o instead of zero is by accident
or design when it occurs after a period in a number sequence but I consider
it to be a bug. I have tried it with Eloquence and ESpeak and both work the
same.



My keyboard and language settings are UK English for these tests. I don't
know how Locale aware NVDA is as for example Germany use comma as the
decimal separator and period as the thousands separator but it would be
interesting to know if similar results to mine occur there.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: 3 August 2017 09:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda
developers and experts please help me.



You could get NVDA to read numbers how you want using a dictionary rule
which uses regex. I think someone did it on this list previously. You
would need to do it for each type of number, eg one digit followed by a full
stop, followed by two digits, a full stop then more digits etc.







On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:

I don't know what NVDA does with different numeric reading settings. I just
tried having it read a number with a decimal point with punctuation off
using a version of NVDA that doesn't have the read number as digits feature.
In other words it reads numbers the way NVDA always has. It reads numbers
as thousand, hundred, etc. It says the word point where the decimal is and
reads the number as a number before the decimal point and digits after the
decimal point. For example, it would say 4 hundred forty three point 236.
I'm not sure just what you want to hear.



As I recall what I saw on the list early in the discussion, the option to
read numbers as digits is in a snapshot version. If it is in a snapshot
branch where the program is expected to be stable, you might want to
experiment. In the branch where the code is expected to be stable,
snapshots usually work well. There may be a bug here and there but many
people use snap shots from stable branches because they want newer features
and stable operation. I've used a few snapshots from a stable branch and
I've had no or almost no unexpected behavior. People who don't want to wait
for production releases but who want a feature would do well to try a
snapshot from a stable branch with the feature. There are three branches of
snapshots. One or two or them is expected to have stable or quite stable
code. I'll let those who follow snapshots and branches discuss the question
further.



Gene,

----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 1:26 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda
developers and experts please help me.



thanks gene.
i wish that dont hear punctuation and only hear full number after dot
like versions of programs and number digit in phone numbers.
i set punctuation to none for not hearing any of punctuations when
reading documents!
about version numbers which have dot, i tested with all kind of
reporting punctuation (non, some, most and all and none of them worked
for me.

On 8/3/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I'm not sure if there is a practical solution. One thing you might do is
to
set punctuation to most so that periods will be spoken and set numbers to
be
read as digits. I'm not sure if that's quite what you want but it might
be
reasonably close. I don't know if NVDA could be programmed to recognize
context and read in this way automatically.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 12:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda
developers and experts please help me.


hello.
thanks so much for your reply.
i understand that its not easy for software to read numbers in the way
that i wish.
but my problem is only with numbers which have dot and seperating from
each other with dot.
like the version of espeak which i told i wish that hear for example:
1. 49 not 1. 4 9!
what should i do to nvda says 49 instead of 4 9 in such cases?
also about phone numbers and sales number i completely agree.
phone number also i accept both digit and pare number and cant
memorize the hole number in that case!

On 8/3/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
I meant to cover this in my last message. the reason NVDA doesn't try to
do
too much number processing like that, is there are so many different
ways
of writing numbers and people would like different numbers read
differently.

For instance, phone numbers are often easier to take in as individual
digits (5 5 5 6 7 8 9 0), but the number of sales made last month makes
more sense read as a whole number: 55567890.

As a human, reading text, it is easy to tell which type a number is and
how
you would prefer it read, but without a lot of computing power, it's not
so
easy for NVDA.

This is the same reasoning why words such as "live", "read", "wind" and
"lead" are always pronounced the same, even though each has two
meanings,
each pronounced differently. For the logophiles in the audience, these
are
called heteronyms or heterophones.

Now I've exhausted my dictionary, I'll leave it there (and I never even
got
to non-English languages or other cultural ways of writing numbers).

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:57 PM, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

hello every one.
i wish that hear number full number in all cases.
but i cant in some cases.
for example: in some numbers which have dot, nvda reads the numbers
digit instead of full!

what should i do in previous versions of nvda about numbers?
for example about version of espeak nvda says: 1. 4 8. 1 5
i wish that hear 1. 48. 15
i mean for numbers have dot, nvda says digit numbers not complete
numbers!
1. 6 3 8 9 1
instead of 1. 63891
God bless you all and i pray for you sincerely every day.


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:+61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org







--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager



Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



Ph <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306> +61 7 3149 3306

<http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

 

hi.
if you need java,
you can install it from
www.java.com

On 8/4/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps you're right I'm not sure. But how to fix it. I really don't like
to hear the warning sound after starting nvda.
Thanks!

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 00:32:50
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io>
Reply-To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

Some software needs both the 32 and 64 bit versions installing and
activating.
However from what the original post says, I'm not convinced this is the
error
that is heard. My feeling is that it has something to do with character
sets.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "nasrin khaksar"
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


hi.
for which purpose do you need java access briedge?
i dont think that nvda faces a problem when its not available!
i dont think that its different for activating this in different
versions of windows.
God bless you.

On 8/3/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not
available".
How can I enable it?
Thanks!




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org








--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: nvda reclass and object relabeling

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

There is an opensource program called autohotkey, and it already does a lot of things screen readers do, so I had the idea of reworking the program (since it is opensource), and turning it into a general scripting language for NVDA.  It is already able to do a lot of things NVDA does, which will help, but it also can be used to call NVDA functions to do things not possible with the auto hot key program alone.  There would have to be some sort of integration, since autohotkey is written in C++, and NVDA is written in python, but I see no reason why it couldn't be done.  It may be a bit beyond my C++ capabilities, since I'm an intermediate C++ person at best, and this kind of integration would take serious know how in both the python arena (not one of my favorite languages), and the C++ arena, something I'm familiar with, but by no means an expert.  However, if it could be pulled off, it would make scripting for NVDA possible, and I think would answer a huge call for scripting capabilities in NVDA, as the language auto hot key uses is a simple scripting language that anyone could learn with very little effort.



On 8/3/2017 12:38 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hello

How much would it cost to develop an nvda reclass and relabeling addon that would let you 1. relabel any object found with object navigation giving it your own custom name with a dialog box box by typing it into an edit box, auto label using tooltips or suggested label using OCR and 2. reclass any object using a dialog box and 3. export labels and object reclassings to a file for sharing with other NVDA users and 4. combine this with objPad for easy object navigation relabeling and customization??

maybe a go fund me campaign could be made to make such a powerful addon for NVDA.
This would let people customise applications and objects without needing to know how to write scripts. though in some cases scripts may still be needed. addon would also allow for you to silence certain on screen objects and to speak certain things based on whether an object appears, disappears, changes color and so on in other words different event triggers set up with a dialog box.
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Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2017 00:26:51 +0800
From: Jaffar Sidek <jaffar.sidek10@...>
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To: main@TechTalk.groups.io


HI.  I am studying the NVDA developer's guide extensively to develop an 
addon for a Digatal Audio Workstation application called Samplitude 
created by Magix.  It has got lots of graphic objects in there that 
needs reclassing and labelling for speech access with NVDA.  I could 
extend my work to encompass a global Addon to achieve the same purpose, 
, but I'm not sure how long I'll take to produce the Addon in question 
so it wouldn't be right for me to ask for funding right now but I will 
distribute it when the time comes and the addon is ready for general 
consumtion.  It would be nice if someone could come up with this needed 
addon soon though as my python programming knowledge is far behind that 
of my c++ skills, and Python is the language in which NVDA and it's 
addons are written.


On 3/8/2017 11:39 PM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
> ok so then the question is, could we start some crowd funding campaign 
> in order to get a powerful NVDA object labeler, autolabeler using 
> tooltips, and object reclasser created? I think the best way to go 
> about this would be to merge the object labeling and customization 
> reclassing and label packs and customizations sharing features into 
> the objPad addon. Then we would have an addon that would give great 
> object navigation along with powerful labeling and reclassing and 
> label/reclass package sharing features. take i one step further. we 
> could OCR objects with NVDA OCR, if the OCR gives us something good to 
> work with, we could have NVDA OCR hand that text off to the object 
> labeler put it in the edit box as the object's new label. We could 
> also use the OCR'd text to help with reclassing unknown objects. like 
> say NVDA says unknown object, and you know this should be treated as a 
> listbox. you could go into a dialog box with a command, tell NVDA this 
> unknown object is a list box, then on top of that you could call it 
> the "money received" list box if you want to give your reclassed 
> object such a label, export that label to a shareable label file that 
> others can the import into their copy of the addon and into NVDA.
>
>
> Josh
>
>
>
> On 8/3/2017 7:52 AM, Norman wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> +1 to this.
>>
>> I have to deal with an accounting system at work that both jaws and 
>> nvda struggle to label properly. The developers are willing to do 
>> anything within reason to make the program label properly but i'm 
>> told that coding accessibility into the program requires a complete 
>> rewrite because of the programing language. This is far beyond 
>> reason, i wouldn't want them to spend the hours necessary for the 
>> conversion just for my sake.
>>
>> This is the reason why we need a field labeling system.
>>
>>
>> HTH.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8/3/2017 12:26 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
>>> yes but we do not live in an ideal world. Therefore an NVDA addon 
>>> that allows for easy labeling and customizing of objects and sharing 
>>> those customizations would let people make apps more accessible if 
>>> they don't want to wait for the app developers to do it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/2/2017 11:44 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> There will be a version of Windows Store (which I'm testing) 
>>>> that'll take care of unlabeled buttons problem, and ideally, issues 
>>>> like these should be resolved by app developers, not screen readers 
>>>> unless extraordinary reasons are given.
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Joseph
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On 
>>>> Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 8:37 PM
>>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] screen reader in the win10 app store
>>>>
>>>> for the most part NVDA works with win10 app store. there are one or 
>>>> two buttons that NVDA just says button and is unlabeled. such as 
>>>> the search button. you see joseph this is why we need an NVDA addon 
>>>> that lets us 1.
>>>> rename any object we come across or find with object navigator or 
>>>> the tab key giving it our own custom label and 2. optionally auto 
>>>> label objects using their tooltips and 3. reclass objects using a 
>>>> dialog box and 4. share the custom labels and object 
>>>> classifications packs with other NVDA users. an addon that takes 
>>>> jaws reclass dialog graphics labeler and auto labeler rolls them 
>>>> into one nice NVDA addon but is way more powerful because you can 
>>>> rename any object and reclass objects.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Josh
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/2/2017 10:42 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> Actually, NVDA and, to some extent, JAWS will work with Windows 
>>>>> Store. I'd be surprised to find out if at least NVDA didn't, 
>>>>> because that's one of the reasons why I have nighttime lab 
>>>>> sessions at least once a week (ask on the NVDA list as to why).
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Joseph
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: main@TechTalk.groups.io [mailto:main@TechTalk.groups.io] On
>>>>> Behalf Of David Mehler
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 7:29 PM
>>>>> To: main@TechTalk.groups.io
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TechTalk] screen reader in the win10 app store
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. So, what your saying is neither Jaws 18 nor Nvda 2017.2 
>>>>> works with the app store? That's kind of not good.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know how to use narrator. Can someone put out a beginners 
>>>>> tutorial for narrator?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Dave.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/2/17, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
>>>>>> windows10 narrator works best with the app store. Narrator in the
>>>>>> latest
>>>>>> windows10 is turning into a pretty good screen reader.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/2/2017 10:14 PM, David Mehler wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How well does a screen reader work with the win10 app store? I've
>>>>>>> got Nvda 2017.2 and jaws 18 on my system. I need to go to the app
>>>>>>> store, find the list of installed apps on a box, uninstall one, 
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> reinstall it. I have never done anything with the app store and 
>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>> I heard it was not accessible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any help appreciated.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> Dave.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> sent with mozilla thunderbird
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> sent with mozilla thunderbird
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>






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Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

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Perhaps you're right I'm not sure. But how to fix it. I really don't like to hear the warning sound after starting nvda.
Thanks!

On Thu, 3 Aug 2017, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?
Some software needs both the 32 and 64 bit versions installing and activating.
However from what the original post says, I'm not convinced this is the error that is heard. My feeling is that it has something to do with character sets.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


hi.
for which purpose do you need java access briedge?
i dont think that nvda faces a problem when its not available!
i dont think that its different for activating this in different
versions of windows.
God bless you.

On 8/3/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not available".
How can I enable it?
Thanks!

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Re: Excel Issues

Quentin Christensen
 

Does it do this consistently?  Even if you close and restart Excel.  Does it do it with other spreadsheets?

If you can send me a copy of the spreadsheet off-list, I can see if I can reproduce it here too.

regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 7:03 AM, Greg Rhodes <gkrhodes@...> wrote:

I’m working with Excel 2016 and Windows 10. ‘m having a couple of issues. First, when I arrow to a cell on my worksheet, NVDA will read what is in the cell and the  cell location but then will also give me information that is in another cell. Any ideas on what is going wrong?

 

Second, I have set column headers in cell A1 but NVDA won’t announce all the column headers when I am navigating in the worksheet. It may announce 6 of the 8 column headers. I don’t have any columns that don’t have headers, so that’s not the problem. Any thoughts on this?

 

Thanks,

 




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Re: trying to donate

Quentin Christensen
 

There was an issue with those combo boxes at one point, I thought we'd fixed it butif it's the same thing, the combo box works as normal but isn't reading.  To get around it, you can type as much of your country or state (there were two boxes) as needed to make it select in the list, then press tab to move on and shift+tab to come back and read it again (it should read the selected item).

I'll see if I can find out what has happened if it's doing it again.  Last time it wasn't anything we'd done but the company who makes back end merchant stuff changed their code without advising us.

regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 4, 2017 at 1:17 AM, Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
So I am trying to donate to NVDA.  When I get to the donation page there is a combo box to select your country.  I can not get this control to open so I can pick the country.  How do I deal with this conbo box?

Thanks








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Re: about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvdadevelopers and experts please help me.

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Andre

Thanks for this, I tried Eloquence with the British English setting and it does indeed read a zero after the decimal point, the problem is the accent is awful so I’ll put up  with the o’s.  Regarding Espeak, it does read as zero, perhaps I was reading the text after switching synths.

 

Cheers

Chris  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher
Sent: 3 August 2017 22:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvdadevelopers and experts please help me.

 

Hi.

 

It is very important to distinguish that NVDA is not, and I repeat not, responsible for the processing of numbers. All this functionality is controlled by the synthesizer of choice. In certain locales and regions, the period (or full stop) symbolizes the decimal point. After it is encountered, numbers are read by single digits by most synthesizers. Eloquence, with the American English setting, will pronounce the 0 as an ‘o’ as that is common in North America. I haven’t seen eSpeak do this any at all.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 4:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvdadevelopers and experts please help me.

 

Further to the topic of number processing,  below are typical number sequences I come across on a daily basis and some observations regarding their processing by NVDA:

 

Decimal Number using thousands separator = 123,056,789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty thre comma zero five six comma seven hundred eighty nine point o o

Decimal number without thousands separator = 123056789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty three million  fifty six thousand seven hundred eighty nine point o o

IP address = 192.168.20.1

Speaks as one hundred ninety two point one six eight point 2 o point one

Phone number 01246 567890

Speaks as zero one two four six five hundred sixty seven thousand eight hundred ninety

24 hour based time = 19:28:09

Speaks as nineteen colon twenty eight colon zero nine

 

Observations:

* Digits prior to a thousands separator, space or line terminator are voiced as individual whole numbers except when the segment of the number begins with a zero in which case digits for that segment are spoken individually.

* Digits prior to the first period in a number sequence are spoken as a whole number, digits thereafter are spoken individually.

* After a period has been encountered in the number sequence, the zero digit is spoken is the letter o.  

 

I don't know if the rendering of the letter o instead of zero is by accident or design when it occurs after a period in a number sequence but I consider it to be a bug. I have tried it with Eloquence and ESpeak and both work the same.

  

My keyboard and language settings are UK English for these tests.  I don't know how Locale aware NVDA is as for example Germany use comma as the decimal separator and period as the thousands separator but it would be interesting to know if similar results to mine occur there.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 3 August 2017 09:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

 

You could get NVDA to read numbers how you want using a dictionary rule which uses regex.  I think someone did it on this list previously.  You would need to do it for each type of number, eg one digit followed by a full stop, followed by two digits, a full stop then more digits etc.

 

 

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know what NVDA does with different numeric reading settings.  I just tried having it read a number with a decimal point with punctuation off using a version of NVDA that doesn't have the read number as digits feature.  In other words it reads numbers the way NVDA always has.  It reads numbers as thousand, hundred, etc.  It says the word point where the decimal is and reads the number as a number before the decimal point and digits after the decimal point.  For example, it would say 4 hundred forty three point 236.  I'm not sure just what you want to hear. 

 

As I recall what I saw on the list early in the discussion, the option to read numbers as digits is in a snapshot version.  If it is in a snapshot branch where the program is expected to be stable, you might want to experiment.  In the branch where the code is expected to be stable, snapshots usually work well.  There may be a bug here and there but many people use snap shots from stable branches because they want newer features and stable operation.  I've used a few snapshots from a stable branch and I've had no or almost no unexpected behavior.  People who don't want to wait for production releases but who want a feature would do well to try a snapshot from a stable branch with the feature.  There are three branches of snapshots.  One or two or them is expected to have stable or quite stable code.  I'll let those who follow snapshots and branches discuss the question further.

 

Gene,

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 1:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

 

thanks gene.
i wish that dont hear punctuation and only hear full number after dot
like versions of programs and number digit in phone numbers.
i set punctuation to none for not hearing any of punctuations when
reading documents!
about version numbers which have dot, i tested with all kind of
reporting punctuation (non, some, most and all and none of them worked
for me.

On 8/3/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I'm not sure if there is a practical solution.  One thing you might do is to
> set punctuation to most so that periods will be spoken and set numbers to be
> read as digits. I'm not sure if that's quite what you want but it might be
> reasonably close.  I don't know if NVDA could be programmed to recognize
> context and read in this way automatically.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 12:34 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda
> developers and experts please help me.
>
>
> hello.
> thanks so much for your reply.
> i understand that its not easy for software to read numbers in the way
> that i wish.
> but my problem is only with numbers which have dot and seperating from
> each other with dot.
> like the version of espeak which i told i wish that hear for example:
> 1. 49 not 1. 4 9!
> what should i do to nvda says 49 instead of 4 9 in such cases?
> also about phone numbers and sales number i completely agree.
> phone number also i accept both digit and pare number and cant
> memorize the hole number in that case!
>
> On 8/3/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> I meant to cover this in my last message. the reason NVDA doesn't try to
>> do
>> too much number processing like that, is there are so many different ways
>> of writing numbers and people would like different numbers read
>> differently.
>>
>> For instance, phone numbers are often easier to take in as individual
>> digits (5 5 5 6 7 8 9 0), but the number of sales made last month makes
>> more sense read as a whole number: 55567890.
>>
>> As a human, reading text, it is easy to tell which type a number is and
>> how
>> you would prefer it read, but without a lot of computing power, it's not
>> so
>> easy for NVDA.
>>
>> This is the same reasoning why words such as "live", "read", "wind" and
>> "lead" are always pronounced the same, even though each has two meanings,
>> each pronounced differently. For the logophiles in the audience, these
>> are
>> called heteronyms or heterophones.
>>
>> Now I've exhausted my dictionary, I'll leave it there (and I never even
>> got
>> to non-English languages or other cultural ways of writing numbers).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:57 PM, nasrin khaksar
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hello every one.
>>> i wish that hear number full number in all cases.
>>> but i cant in some cases.
>>> for example: in some numbers which have dot, nvda reads the numbers
>>> digit instead of full!
>>>
>>> what should i do in previous versions of nvda about numbers?
>>> for example about version of espeak nvda says: 1. 4 8. 1 5
>>> i wish that hear 1. 48. 15
>>> i mean for numbers have dot, nvda says digit numbers not complete
>>> numbers!
>>> 1. 6 3 8 9 1
>>> instead of 1. 63891
>>> God bless you all and i pray for you sincerely every day.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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>
>
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> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
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>
>
>


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Re: Firefox and RSS

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

IE 11 is working great here under windows 10. I don't know what could be going on.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 2:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

 

I'm using IE11 under Windows7 working great! So it's weird what you guys are mentioning here of IE11 with NVDA stopping speaking? Might it be a Windows10 problem?

 

El 03/08/2017 a las 03:36 p.m., Gene escribió:

How long ago did Internet Explorer start not working properly?  If you are no longer using it, you have nothing to lose so why not try resetting it back to factory defaults. I don't know if you lose information such as favorites or cookies if you do this so you may want to export cookies and favorites first. 

 

Perhaps you will get an answerabout Firefox.  You may want to wait and see or you may want to try resetting Internet Explorer and you may want, if you don't get satisfactory answers about firefox, to ask what RSS readers to use instead, independent of the browser.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:17 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

 

Hi,

I requested the same assist few days ago.  Please, IE11 is useless, it stops talking as soon as you launch it.  I had an excellent setup to receive RSS feeds on the companies I track.  It is no longer possible to use given IE11 difficulties working with NVDA.  I would appreciate any help/suggestion how to setup RSS feeds with Firefox.  If it can be done with Edge, that is also fine. 

Very much appreciated

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of J.G
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

 

Hi,

some months ago I had same question. unfortunately I did not get a setisfied answer. I tried Bamboo feed reader and other but noone did not me allow to work with RSS feeds in FF as I worked with them in IE.

And what is wrong with IE now? IE is simply becoming outdated and unstable.

So if anyone knows a good addon for rss or as FF terminology says "live bookmarks", I would very appretiate it.
I mean a good addon which can emulate an IE layout and can benefit of FF strenth.

Regards, Jožef



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Re: about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvdadevelopers and experts please help me.

Andre Fisher
 

Hi.

 

It is very important to distinguish that NVDA is not, and I repeat not, responsible for the processing of numbers. All this functionality is controlled by the synthesizer of choice. In certain locales and regions, the period (or full stop) symbolizes the decimal point. After it is encountered, numbers are read by single digits by most synthesizers. Eloquence, with the American English setting, will pronounce the 0 as an ‘o’ as that is common in North America. I haven’t seen eSpeak do this any at all.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 4:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvdadevelopers and experts please help me.

 

Further to the topic of number processing,  below are typical number sequences I come across on a daily basis and some observations regarding their processing by NVDA:

 

Decimal Number using thousands separator = 123,056,789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty thre comma zero five six comma seven hundred eighty nine point o o

Decimal number without thousands separator = 123056789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty three million  fifty six thousand seven hundred eighty nine point o o

IP address = 192.168.20.1

Speaks as one hundred ninety two point one six eight point 2 o point one

Phone number 01246 567890

Speaks as zero one two four six five hundred sixty seven thousand eight hundred ninety

24 hour based time = 19:28:09

Speaks as nineteen colon twenty eight colon zero nine

 

Observations:

* Digits prior to a thousands separator, space or line terminator are voiced as individual whole numbers except when the segment of the number begins with a zero in which case digits for that segment are spoken individually.

* Digits prior to the first period in a number sequence are spoken as a whole number, digits thereafter are spoken individually.

* After a period has been encountered in the number sequence, the zero digit is spoken is the letter o.  

 

I don't know if the rendering of the letter o instead of zero is by accident or design when it occurs after a period in a number sequence but I consider it to be a bug. I have tried it with Eloquence and ESpeak and both work the same.

  

My keyboard and language settings are UK English for these tests.  I don't know how Locale aware NVDA is as for example Germany use comma as the decimal separator and period as the thousands separator but it would be interesting to know if similar results to mine occur there.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 3 August 2017 09:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

 

You could get NVDA to read numbers how you want using a dictionary rule which uses regex.  I think someone did it on this list previously.  You would need to do it for each type of number, eg one digit followed by a full stop, followed by two digits, a full stop then more digits etc.

 

 

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know what NVDA does with different numeric reading settings.  I just tried having it read a number with a decimal point with punctuation off using a version of NVDA that doesn't have the read number as digits feature.  In other words it reads numbers the way NVDA always has.  It reads numbers as thousand, hundred, etc.  It says the word point where the decimal is and reads the number as a number before the decimal point and digits after the decimal point.  For example, it would say 4 hundred forty three point 236.  I'm not sure just what you want to hear. 

 

As I recall what I saw on the list early in the discussion, the option to read numbers as digits is in a snapshot version.  If it is in a snapshot branch where the program is expected to be stable, you might want to experiment.  In the branch where the code is expected to be stable, snapshots usually work well.  There may be a bug here and there but many people use snap shots from stable branches because they want newer features and stable operation.  I've used a few snapshots from a stable branch and I've had no or almost no unexpected behavior.  People who don't want to wait for production releases but who want a feature would do well to try a snapshot from a stable branch with the feature.  There are three branches of snapshots.  One or two or them is expected to have stable or quite stable code.  I'll let those who follow snapshots and branches discuss the question further.

 

Gene,

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Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

 

thanks gene.
i wish that dont hear punctuation and only hear full number after dot
like versions of programs and number digit in phone numbers.
i set punctuation to none for not hearing any of punctuations when
reading documents!
about version numbers which have dot, i tested with all kind of
reporting punctuation (non, some, most and all and none of them worked
for me.

On 8/3/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I'm not sure if there is a practical solution.  One thing you might do is to
> set punctuation to most so that periods will be spoken and set numbers to be
> read as digits. I'm not sure if that's quite what you want but it might be
> reasonably close.  I don't know if NVDA could be programmed to recognize
> context and read in this way automatically.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 12:34 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda
> developers and experts please help me.
>
>
> hello.
> thanks so much for your reply.
> i understand that its not easy for software to read numbers in the way
> that i wish.
> but my problem is only with numbers which have dot and seperating from
> each other with dot.
> like the version of espeak which i told i wish that hear for example:
> 1. 49 not 1. 4 9!
> what should i do to nvda says 49 instead of 4 9 in such cases?
> also about phone numbers and sales number i completely agree.
> phone number also i accept both digit and pare number and cant
> memorize the hole number in that case!
>
> On 8/3/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> I meant to cover this in my last message. the reason NVDA doesn't try to
>> do
>> too much number processing like that, is there are so many different ways
>> of writing numbers and people would like different numbers read
>> differently.
>>
>> For instance, phone numbers are often easier to take in as individual
>> digits (5 5 5 6 7 8 9 0), but the number of sales made last month makes
>> more sense read as a whole number: 55567890.
>>
>> As a human, reading text, it is easy to tell which type a number is and
>> how
>> you would prefer it read, but without a lot of computing power, it's not
>> so
>> easy for NVDA.
>>
>> This is the same reasoning why words such as "live", "read", "wind" and
>> "lead" are always pronounced the same, even though each has two meanings,
>> each pronounced differently. For the logophiles in the audience, these
>> are
>> called heteronyms or heterophones.
>>
>> Now I've exhausted my dictionary, I'll leave it there (and I never even
>> got
>> to non-English languages or other cultural ways of writing numbers).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:57 PM, nasrin khaksar
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hello every one.
>>> i wish that hear number full number in all cases.
>>> but i cant in some cases.
>>> for example: in some numbers which have dot, nvda reads the numbers
>>> digit instead of full!
>>>
>>> what should i do in previous versions of nvda about numbers?
>>> for example about version of espeak nvda says: 1. 4 8. 1 5
>>> i wish that hear 1. 48. 15
>>> i mean for numbers have dot, nvda says digit numbers not complete
>>> numbers!
>>> 1. 6 3 8 9 1
>>> instead of 1. 63891
>>> God bless you all and i pray for you sincerely every day.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



 

--

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Training and Support Manager

 

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
The first question to ask is do you have Java on your machine? If not, then
there's no point activating the access bridge. To check have a look through
the list of installed programs.

Cheers
Chris

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Are you sure this is the error? I have this error but as I have nothing that
uses Java it gives no error.
I guess what I'm saying is that are you sure its not something else that is
giving the error such as the brailed file changes in next for example?
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Hi,

I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not
available".
How can I enable it?
Thanks!



Re: about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

Chris Mullins
 

Further to the topic of number processing,  below are typical number sequences I come across on a daily basis and some observations regarding their processing by NVDA:

 

Decimal Number using thousands separator = 123,056,789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty thre comma zero five six comma seven hundred eighty nine point o o

Decimal number without thousands separator = 123056789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty three million  fifty six thousand seven hundred eighty nine point o o

IP address = 192.168.20.1

Speaks as one hundred ninety two point one six eight point 2 o point one

Phone number 01246 567890

Speaks as zero one two four six five hundred sixty seven thousand eight hundred ninety

24 hour based time = 19:28:09

Speaks as nineteen colon twenty eight colon zero nine

 

Observations:

* Digits prior to a thousands separator, space or line terminator are voiced as individual whole numbers except when the segment of the number begins with a zero in which case digits for that segment are spoken individually.

* Digits prior to the first period in a number sequence are spoken as a whole number, digits thereafter are spoken individually.

* After a period has been encountered in the number sequence, the zero digit is spoken is the letter o.  

 

I don't know if the rendering of the letter o instead of zero is by accident or design when it occurs after a period in a number sequence but I consider it to be a bug. I have tried it with Eloquence and ESpeak and both work the same.

  

My keyboard and language settings are UK English for these tests.  I don't know how Locale aware NVDA is as for example Germany use comma as the decimal separator and period as the thousands separator but it would be interesting to know if similar results to mine occur there.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 3 August 2017 09:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

 

You could get NVDA to read numbers how you want using a dictionary rule which uses regex.  I think someone did it on this list previously.  You would need to do it for each type of number, eg one digit followed by a full stop, followed by two digits, a full stop then more digits etc.

 

 

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know what NVDA does with different numeric reading settings.  I just tried having it read a number with a decimal point with punctuation off using a version of NVDA that doesn't have the read number as digits feature.  In other words it reads numbers the way NVDA always has.  It reads numbers as thousand, hundred, etc.  It says the word point where the decimal is and reads the number as a number before the decimal point and digits after the decimal point.  For example, it would say 4 hundred forty three point 236.  I'm not sure just what you want to hear. 

 

As I recall what I saw on the list early in the discussion, the option to read numbers as digits is in a snapshot version.  If it is in a snapshot branch where the program is expected to be stable, you might want to experiment.  In the branch where the code is expected to be stable, snapshots usually work well.  There may be a bug here and there but many people use snap shots from stable branches because they want newer features and stable operation.  I've used a few snapshots from a stable branch and I've had no or almost no unexpected behavior.  People who don't want to wait for production releases but who want a feature would do well to try a snapshot from a stable branch with the feature.  There are three branches of snapshots.  One or two or them is expected to have stable or quite stable code.  I'll let those who follow snapshots and branches discuss the question further.

 

Gene,

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 1:26 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

 

thanks gene.
i wish that dont hear punctuation and only hear full number after dot
like versions of programs and number digit in phone numbers.
i set punctuation to none for not hearing any of punctuations when
reading documents!
about version numbers which have dot, i tested with all kind of
reporting punctuation (non, some, most and all and none of them worked
for me.

On 8/3/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I'm not sure if there is a practical solution.  One thing you might do is to
> set punctuation to most so that periods will be spoken and set numbers to be
> read as digits. I'm not sure if that's quite what you want but it might be
> reasonably close.  I don't know if NVDA could be programmed to recognize
> context and read in this way automatically.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 12:34 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda
> developers and experts please help me.
>
>
> hello.
> thanks so much for your reply.
> i understand that its not easy for software to read numbers in the way
> that i wish.
> but my problem is only with numbers which have dot and seperating from
> each other with dot.
> like the version of espeak which i told i wish that hear for example:
> 1. 49 not 1. 4 9!
> what should i do to nvda says 49 instead of 4 9 in such cases?
> also about phone numbers and sales number i completely agree.
> phone number also i accept both digit and pare number and cant
> memorize the hole number in that case!
>
> On 8/3/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> I meant to cover this in my last message. the reason NVDA doesn't try to
>> do
>> too much number processing like that, is there are so many different ways
>> of writing numbers and people would like different numbers read
>> differently.
>>
>> For instance, phone numbers are often easier to take in as individual
>> digits (5 5 5 6 7 8 9 0), but the number of sales made last month makes
>> more sense read as a whole number: 55567890.
>>
>> As a human, reading text, it is easy to tell which type a number is and
>> how
>> you would prefer it read, but without a lot of computing power, it's not
>> so
>> easy for NVDA.
>>
>> This is the same reasoning why words such as "live", "read", "wind" and
>> "lead" are always pronounced the same, even though each has two meanings,
>> each pronounced differently. For the logophiles in the audience, these
>> are
>> called heteronyms or heterophones.
>>
>> Now I've exhausted my dictionary, I'll leave it there (and I never even
>> got
>> to non-English languages or other cultural ways of writing numbers).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:57 PM, nasrin khaksar
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hello every one.
>>> i wish that hear number full number in all cases.
>>> but i cant in some cases.
>>> for example: in some numbers which have dot, nvda reads the numbers
>>> digit instead of full!
>>>
>>> what should i do in previous versions of nvda about numbers?
>>> for example about version of espeak nvda says: 1. 4 8. 1 5
>>> i wish that hear 1. 48. 15
>>> i mean for numbers have dot, nvda says digit numbers not complete
>>> numbers!
>>> 1. 6 3 8 9 1
>>> instead of 1. 63891
>>> God bless you all and i pray for you sincerely every day.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Firefox and RSS

Gerardo Corripio
 

I'm using IE11 under Windows7 working great! So it's weird what you guys are mentioning here of IE11 with NVDA stopping speaking? Might it be a Windows10 problem?


El 03/08/2017 a las 03:36 p.m., Gene escribió:
How long ago did Internet Explorer start not working properly?  If you are no longer using it, you have nothing to lose so why not try resetting it back to factory defaults. I don't know if you lose information such as favorites or cookies if you do this so you may want to export cookies and favorites first. 
 
Perhaps you will get an answerabout Firefox.  You may want to wait and see or you may want to try resetting Internet Explorer and you may want, if you don't get satisfactory answers about firefox, to ask what RSS readers to use instead, independent of the browser.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

Hi,

I requested the same assist few days ago.  Please, IE11 is useless, it stops talking as soon as you launch it.  I had an excellent setup to receive RSS feeds on the companies I track.  It is no longer possible to use given IE11 difficulties working with NVDA.  I would appreciate any help/suggestion how to setup RSS feeds with Firefox.  If it can be done with Edge, that is also fine. 

Very much appreciated

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of J.G
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

 

Hi,

some months ago I had same question. unfortunately I did not get a setisfied answer. I tried Bamboo feed reader and other but noone did not me allow to work with RSS feeds in FF as I worked with them in IE.

And what is wrong with IE now? IE is simply becoming outdated and unstable.

So if anyone knows a good addon for rss or as FF terminology says "live bookmarks", I would very appretiate it.
I mean a good addon which can emulate an IE layout and can benefit of FF strenth.

Regards, Jožef


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Excel Issues

Greg Rhodes <gkrhodes@...>
 

I’m working with Excel 2016 and Windows 10. ‘m having a couple of issues. First, when I arrow to a cell on my worksheet, NVDA will read what is in the cell and the  cell location but then will also give me information that is in another cell. Any ideas on what is going wrong?

 

Second, I have set column headers in cell A1 but NVDA won’t announce all the column headers when I am navigating in the worksheet. It may announce 6 of the 8 column headers. I don’t have any columns that don’t have headers, so that’s not the problem. Any thoughts on this?

 

Thanks,

 


Re: Firefox and RSS

Gene
 

How long ago did Internet Explorer start not working properly?  If you are no longer using it, you have nothing to lose so why not try resetting it back to factory defaults. I don't know if you lose information such as favorites or cookies if you do this so you may want to export cookies and favorites first. 
 
Perhaps you will get an answerabout Firefox.  You may want to wait and see or you may want to try resetting Internet Explorer and you may want, if you don't get satisfactory answers about firefox, to ask what RSS readers to use instead, independent of the browser.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

Hi,

I requested the same assist few days ago.  Please, IE11 is useless, it stops talking as soon as you launch it.  I had an excellent setup to receive RSS feeds on the companies I track.  It is no longer possible to use given IE11 difficulties working with NVDA.  I would appreciate any help/suggestion how to setup RSS feeds with Firefox.  If it can be done with Edge, that is also fine. 

Very much appreciated

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of J.G
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

 

Hi,

some months ago I had same question. unfortunately I did not get a setisfied answer. I tried Bamboo feed reader and other but noone did not me allow to work with RSS feeds in FF as I worked with them in IE.

And what is wrong with IE now? IE is simply becoming outdated and unstable.

So if anyone knows a good addon for rss or as FF terminology says "live bookmarks", I would very appretiate it.
I mean a good addon which can emulate an IE layout and can benefit of FF strenth.

Regards, Jožef


Re: Firefox and RSS

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi Brian,
Each time I launch IE11, it opens up, start talking, then suddenly it quits and I have to close the browser. I tolerated the chock ups for while to use it with the RSS setup feeds for the companies I track for investment. However, recently it just goes silent. So I gave up using it. Any idea on how to setup and use RSS feeds with Firefox is greatly appreciated. Honestly, I was hoping you would answer.
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

What is wrong with IE11?
Curious.
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and RSS


Hi,
I have given up on using IE11 where I had all my RSS set up as the browser
is basically unusable with NVDA. I opened IE11 this morning to add a
company to my RSS feed, and it stuttered and went silent. I had to restart
my computer. Please any help on setting up RSS feed with Firefox or Edge
for that matter is greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Add On To Allow First Letter Navigation For
Folders

Pity they don't do one that changes the key allocations to be more like
outlook express or one that adds identities so one can keep folder trees
from getting to look like spaghetti!
Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 6:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird Add On To Allow First Letter Navigation For
Folders


Hi Group,


I got this referenced from another list.

There is an add on that allows folder navigation by typing the first
letter and it is called 'quick key folder navigation.' The
description says you have to type the first 3 letters, but if you only
have one folder that begins with the letter key you press, then you
will move right to the folder with just the first key press. I have
installed this and it works great. This restores one of the favorite
features for screen reader users that existed in the venerable and now
largely defunct Outlook Express.


Using Thunderbird, it is easy to install this add on. Just click
tools/add on manager/search for add on. Type in quick folder key
navigation, press enter, then tab to the list of results, highlight
the add on, right click and choose install. Then follow the prompts.
There is no need to browse the Mozilla website for the add on.


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Re: Firefox and RSS

Pascal Lambert
 

Hi,

I requested the same assist few days ago.  Please, IE11 is useless, it stops talking as soon as you launch it.  I had an excellent setup to receive RSS feeds on the companies I track.  It is no longer possible to use given IE11 difficulties working with NVDA.  I would appreciate any help/suggestion how to setup RSS feeds with Firefox.  If it can be done with Edge, that is also fine. 

Very much appreciated

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of J.G
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

 

Hi,

some months ago I had same question. unfortunately I did not get a setisfied answer. I tried Bamboo feed reader and other but noone did not me allow to work with RSS feeds in FF as I worked with them in IE.

And what is wrong with IE now? IE is simply becoming outdated and unstable.

So if anyone knows a good addon for rss or as FF terminology says "live bookmarks", I would very appretiate it.
I mean a good addon which can emulate an IE layout and can benefit of FF strenth.

Regards, Jožef