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Re: NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode

 

does he uninstall one office program recently?
i uninstalled openoffice many months before and had this issue.
i completely uninstalled and reinstalled nvda and the problem is solved for me.
hope that helps and God bless you!

On 8/4/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi. Yes, he is using the system default settings. The issue is that NVDA
won't go into browse mode and pressing insert+space doesn't toggle from
focus mode to browse mode. However, another list member provided me with a
github ticket which might possibly lead us down the right path.


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Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode

hi.
did you try automatic focus mode for focus changes and and automatic
focus mode for caret changes in browsmode to see if its make sense.
first uncheck both, for me the first one is checked and the second one
is unchecked.

On 8/4/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:
Hello. I'm working with someone who is using NVDA 2017.2 on a Windows 7
Pro
machine. Recently, the copy of NVDA he is using seems to be totally stuck
in
focus mode when loading either Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox. Keyboard
and language are both set to US English. I even had him remove the
contents
of his appdata\roaming\nvda folder to begin with a fresh install but
it's
still stuck into focus mode. Pressing insert+spacebar does not toggle
from
focus mode into browse mode. This is a very recent issue, just starting
yesterday after over a year of trouble-free use. Has anybody else
experienced this and what is the best solution?


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode

David Goldfield
 

Hi. Yes, he is using the system default settings. The issue is that NVDA won't go into browse mode and pressing insert+space doesn't toggle from focus mode to browse mode. However, another list member provided me with a github ticket which might possibly lead us down the right path.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 11:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode
 
hi.
did you try automatic focus mode for focus changes and and automatic
focus mode for caret changes in browsmode to see if its make sense.
first uncheck both, for me the first one is checked and the second one
is unchecked.

On 8/4/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@...> wrote:
> Hello. I'm working with someone who is using NVDA 2017.2 on a Windows 7 Pro
> machine. Recently, the copy of NVDA he is using seems to be totally stuck in
> focus mode when loading either Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox. Keyboard
> and language are both set to US English. I even had him remove the contents
> of his appdata\roaming\nvda  folder to begin with a fresh install but it's
> still stuck into focus mode. Pressing insert+spacebar does not toggle from
> focus mode into browse mode. This is a very recent issue, just starting
> yesterday after over a year of trouble-free use. Has anybody else
> experienced this and what is the best solution?
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




Re: NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode

David Goldfield
 

Ethan,

We'll look at this ticket. It could put us on the right track.

Many thanks for this lead.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Ethan <ethan8768@...>
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode
 

Hello David,

 

Try the steps outlined in https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

github.com
nvda - NVDA, the free and open source Screen Reader for Microsoft Windows

 

Thanks

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode

 

Hello. I'm working with someone who is using NVDA 2017.2 on a Windows 7 Pro machine. Recently, the copy of NVDA he is using seems to be totally stuck in focus mode when loading either Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox. Keyboard and language are both set to US English. I even had him remove the contents of his appdata\roaming\nvda  folder to begin with a fresh install but it's still stuck into focus mode. Pressing insert+spacebar does not toggle from focus mode into browse mode. This is a very recent issue, just starting yesterday after over a year of trouble-free use. Has anybody else experienced this and what is the best solution?

 


Re: NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode

Ethan
 

Hello David,

 

Try the steps outlined in https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

 

Thanks

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, August 4, 2017 9:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode

 

Hello. I'm working with someone who is using NVDA 2017.2 on a Windows 7 Pro machine. Recently, the copy of NVDA he is using seems to be totally stuck in focus mode when loading either Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox. Keyboard and language are both set to US English. I even had him remove the contents of his appdata\roaming\nvda  folder to begin with a fresh install but it's still stuck into focus mode. Pressing insert+spacebar does not toggle from focus mode into browse mode. This is a very recent issue, just starting yesterday after over a year of trouble-free use. Has anybody else experienced this and what is the best solution?

 


Re: NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode

 

hi.
did you try automatic focus mode for focus changes and and automatic
focus mode for caret changes in browsmode to see if its make sense.
first uncheck both, for me the first one is checked and the second one
is unchecked.

On 8/4/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:
Hello. I'm working with someone who is using NVDA 2017.2 on a Windows 7 Pro
machine. Recently, the copy of NVDA he is using seems to be totally stuck in
focus mode when loading either Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox. Keyboard
and language are both set to US English. I even had him remove the contents
of his appdata\roaming\nvda folder to begin with a fresh install but it's
still stuck into focus mode. Pressing insert+spacebar does not toggle from
focus mode into browse mode. This is a very recent issue, just starting
yesterday after over a year of trouble-free use. Has anybody else
experienced this and what is the best solution?

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


NVDA Stuck in Focus Mode

David Goldfield
 

Hello. I'm working with someone who is using NVDA 2017.2 on a Windows 7 Pro machine. Recently, the copy of NVDA he is using seems to be totally stuck in focus mode when loading either Google Chrome or Mozilla Firefox. Keyboard and language are both set to US English. I even had him remove the contents of his appdata\roaming\nvda  folder to begin with a fresh install but it's still stuck into focus mode. Pressing insert+spacebar does not toggle from focus mode into browse mode. This is a very recent issue, just starting yesterday after over a year of trouble-free use. Has anybody else experienced this and what is the best solution?



Re: about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

Michael
 

Regular expression to read clock:

example 09:07 is read as 9 hours 7 minutes

Actual Pattern:

“([0]?)(\d{,2}):([0]?)(\d{,2})”

Replacement Pattern:

“\2     hours   \4   minutes”

Of course, one of your other regular expressions may interpret the string before this one has a chance

This will put an unusual spin on Bible references.

 

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

This will put an unusual spin on Bible references.
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

 

Further to the topic of number processing,  below are typical number sequences I come across on a daily basis and some observations regarding their processing by NVDA:

 

Decimal Number using thousands separator = 123,056,789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty thre comma zero five six comma seven hundred eighty nine point o o

Decimal number without thousands separator = 123056789.00

Speaks as one hundred twenty three million  fifty six thousand seven hundred eighty nine point o o

IP address = 192.168.20.1

Speaks as one hundred ninety two point one six eight point 2 o point one

Phone number 01246 567890

Speaks as zero one two four six five hundred sixty seven thousand eight hundred ninety

24 hour based time = 19:28:09

Speaks as nineteen colon twenty eight colon zero nine

 

Observations:

* Digits prior to a thousands separator, space or line terminator are voiced as individual whole numbers except when the segment of the number begins with a zero in which case digits for that segment are spoken individually.

* Digits prior to the first period in a number sequence are spoken as a whole number, digits thereafter are spoken individually.

* After a period has been encountered in the number sequence, the zero digit is spoken is the letter o.  

 

I don't know if the rendering of the letter o instead of zero is by accident or design when it occurs after a period in a number sequence but I consider it to be a bug. I have tried it with Eloquence and ESpeak and both work the same.

  

My keyboard and language settings are UK English for these tests.  I don't know how Locale aware NVDA is as for example Germany use comma as the decimal separator and period as the thousands separator but it would be interesting to know if similar results to mine occur there.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: 3 August 2017 09:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

 

You could get NVDA to read numbers how you want using a dictionary rule which uses regex.  I think someone did it on this list previously.  You would need to do it for each type of number, eg one digit followed by a full stop, followed by two digits, a full stop then more digits etc.

 

 

 

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:08 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know what NVDA does with different numeric reading settings.  I just tried having it read a number with a decimal point with punctuation off using a version of NVDA that doesn't have the read number as digits feature.  In other words it reads numbers the way NVDA always has.  It reads numbers as thousand, hundred, etc.  It says the word point where the decimal is and reads the number as a number before the decimal point and digits after the decimal point.  For example, it would say 4 hundred forty three point 236.  I'm not sure just what you want to hear. 

 

As I recall what I saw on the list early in the discussion, the option to read numbers as digits is in a snapshot version.  If it is in a snapshot branch where the program is expected to be stable, you might want to experiment.  In the branch where the code is expected to be stable, snapshots usually work well.  There may be a bug here and there but many people use snap shots from stable branches because they want newer features and stable operation.  I've used a few snapshots from a stable branch and I've had no or almost no unexpected behavior.  People who don't want to wait for production releases but who want a feature would do well to try a snapshot from a stable branch with the feature.  There are three branches of snapshots.  One or two or them is expected to have stable or quite stable code.  I'll let those who follow snapshots and branches discuss the question further.

 

Gene,

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Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda developers and experts please help me.

 

thanks gene.
i wish that dont hear punctuation and only hear full number after dot
like versions of programs and number digit in phone numbers.
i set punctuation to none for not hearing any of punctuations when
reading documents!
about version numbers which have dot, i tested with all kind of
reporting punctuation (non, some, most and all and none of them worked
for me.

On 8/3/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I'm not sure if there is a practical solution.  One thing you might do is to
> set punctuation to most so that periods will be spoken and set numbers to be
> read as digits. I'm not sure if that's quite what you want but it might be
> reasonably close.  I don't know if NVDA could be programmed to recognize
> context and read in this way automatically.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 12:34 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] about reading numbers in nvda 2017.2 and before: nvda
> developers and experts please help me.
>
>
> hello.
> thanks so much for your reply.
> i understand that its not easy for software to read numbers in the way
> that i wish.
> but my problem is only with numbers which have dot and seperating from
> each other with dot.
> like the version of espeak which i told i wish that hear for example:
> 1. 49 not 1. 4 9!
> what should i do to nvda says 49 instead of 4 9 in such cases?
> also about phone numbers and sales number i completely agree.
> phone number also i accept both digit and pare number and cant
> memorize the hole number in that case!
>
> On 8/3/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> I meant to cover this in my last message. the reason NVDA doesn't try to
>> do
>> too much number processing like that, is there are so many different ways
>> of writing numbers and people would like different numbers read
>> differently.
>>
>> For instance, phone numbers are often easier to take in as individual
>> digits (5 5 5 6 7 8 9 0), but the number of sales made last month makes
>> more sense read as a whole number: 55567890.
>>
>> As a human, reading text, it is easy to tell which type a number is and
>> how
>> you would prefer it read, but without a lot of computing power, it's not
>> so
>> easy for NVDA.
>>
>> This is the same reasoning why words such as "live", "read", "wind" and
>> "lead" are always pronounced the same, even though each has two meanings,
>> each pronounced differently. For the logophiles in the audience, these
>> are
>> called heteronyms or heterophones.
>>
>> Now I've exhausted my dictionary, I'll leave it there (and I never even
>> got
>> to non-English languages or other cultural ways of writing numbers).
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 12:57 PM, nasrin khaksar
>> <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> hello every one.
>>> i wish that hear number full number in all cases.
>>> but i cant in some cases.
>>> for example: in some numbers which have dot, nvda reads the numbers
>>> digit instead of full!
>>>
>>> what should i do in previous versions of nvda about numbers?
>>> for example about version of espeak nvda says: 1. 4 8. 1 5
>>> i wish that hear 1. 48. 15
>>> i mean for numbers have dot, nvda says digit numbers not complete
>>> numbers!
>>> 1. 6 3 8 9 1
>>> instead of 1. 63891
>>> God bless you all and i pray for you sincerely every day.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: More on the browser pan and unknown issue

Gene
 

I should add that I don't know what you are referring to by browser pan.  If you are talking about a thread other than the one opened today or was it yesterday about Internet Explorer, then I withdraw my objection to a new topic with a new subject line.  You may be commenting on a problem that was raised perhaps a week or more ago and it isn't reasonable to find a message with the old subject line in the sent mail folder for a thread that is that old.  If it were a thread you were answering from today that you had just answered in the batch of messages from today, it would be reasonable to do this.  Something older, especially more than a day old, might not be reasonable to find in the sent mail folder, depending on how much mail you sent after your previous message in the thread.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] More on the browser pan and unknown issue

Why did you change the subject line?  If you no longer have a message in the inbox to respond to, go to the sent Mail folder and use either reply or reply to all, whichever one places the list address in the message.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] More on the browser pan and unknown issue

While browsing through the issues tracker today, I cam across a thread about
his and similar issues. With the proviso that its got to bedone correctly as
it messes with the register, have a loot at this page.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

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Re: More on the browser pan and unknown issue

Gene
 

Why did you change the subject line?  If you no longer have a message in the inbox to respond to, go to the sent Mail folder and use either reply or reply to all, whichever one places the list address in the message.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: [nvda] More on the browser pan and unknown issue

While browsing through the issues tracker today, I cam across a thread about
his and similar issues. With the proviso that its got to bedone correctly as
it messes with the register, have a loot at this page.

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

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Re: Developing appmodule for specific website

 

websites dont need app module for accessibility.
but only need support for accessiblity and be design in accessible form.
i ment in my previous comment app module for inaccessible or partual
accessible softwares python knowers can makes addons oor app module
directly in nvda like scripts in jaws.

On 8/4/17, Webmaster Deweer <webmaster_deweer@hotmail.be> wrote:
Do you mean the method I use isn't the standard one?


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Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

I think the point is more that Jaws has work arounds for bad web sites but
the ethos should be to make web sites agree to the specs, not bodge
screenreaders instead.


So what is the actual driving force for making a non standard sitein the
case you mention?
Brian

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From: "Webmaster Deweer" <webmaster_deweer@hotmail.be>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website


Hello all. Thanks for all that input. I am developing something, but only
NVDA has troubles with it. It's because of the use of jQueryUI, I think. It

hase problems with the tabs and accordions...

Is there a way to make this accessible? I don't have this problem using
JAWS.

Greetings, Jordy.

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Verzonden: Thursday, August 3, 2017 8:01 PM
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

Hi, you would think this would be great wouldn't you? Personally, I happen

to think this wouldn't be so good, and here's why. Websites exist largely
in the new access technology paradigm; all things designed to be used by
everyone. Globally recognized standards and frameworks are in place.
Various insundary documentation on these standards is widely available in
both paid and free formats. Legislation in the US, Canada, and the United
kingdom, and probably in most jurisdictions in the modern world obligates
designers to comply with the standards. Numerous studies and testimony from

developers embrasing the new access technology paradigm all indicate that
web content that follows the standards around accessibility is also more
secure, more stable and better performing, more broadly compatible, and
cheaper to build as opposed to the cost of bolting on accessibility later.
Finally, NVDA is widely recognized as the most standards compliant screen
reader in production today.

Some day soon, we should get to a point where designers are so consious of
accessibility that we really don't need a scripting capability in NVDA at
all. The point is, web content is so easy to develop accessibly, and the
laws and documentation are so supportive, that it should already be being
done. If some one isn't complying, the best thing is to grab them by the
short and kirlys and force them to comply. The second best thing is to go
to a compliant competitor and hope the noncompliant one bogs down in it's
own poor design issues.

I realize there may be some employment case for scripting internal corporate

websites, but even that case is based more on a company's willingness to pay

or legal obligation to do so.

It really is past time where developers should be looking at accessibility
in the very basic design stage just as they would with security and
compatibility, but they won't do unless we demand it.

Best,

Erik


On August 3, 2017 12:14:35 PM "Webmaster Deweer"
<webmaster_deweer@hotmail.be> wrote:

Hy, Joseph. Wouldn't bei t a great function in NVDA?

Cheers, Jordy.

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Verzonden: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:00 PM
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

Hi,
No, you can't create app modules for websites, or as it is called in JAWS
world, "domain-specific scripts".
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Webmaster Deweer
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

Hello. So how can I configure things for a specific uri? Thanks in advance!

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Verzonden: Thursday, August 3, 2017 5:21 PM
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

hello.
yes.
addons in nvda are like scripts in jaws.
for any addon or appModule that you want to create, you need to know
python.
God bless you.

On 8/3/17, Webmaster Deweer <webmaster_deweer@hotmail.be> wrote:
Dear members,

This is one of the little questions I ask here.

I'd like to ask the following: is it possible to develop a appmodule
or something similar to that for one specific website, like in JAWS?

Thanks in advance!

Best wishes,
Jordy

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More on the browser pan and unknown issue

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

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https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2807#issuecomment-320149243

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Re: Developing appmodule for specific website

Webmaster Deweer <webmaster_deweer@...>
 

Do you mean the method I use isn't the standard one?


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I think the point is more that Jaws has work arounds for bad web sites but the ethos should be to make web sites agree to the specs, not bodge screenreaders instead.


So what is the actual driving force for making a non standard sitein the case you mention?
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website


Hello all. Thanks for all that input. I am developing something, but only
NVDA has troubles with it. It's because of the use of jQueryUI, I think. It
hase problems with the tabs and accordions...

Is there a way to make this accessible? I don't have this problem using
JAWS.

Greetings, Jordy.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Namens erik burggraaf
Verzonden: Thursday, August 3, 2017 8:01 PM
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

Hi, you would think this would be great wouldn't you? Personally, I happen
to think this wouldn't be so good, and here's why. Websites exist largely
in the new access technology paradigm; all things designed to be used by
everyone. Globally recognized standards and frameworks are in place.
Various insundary documentation on these standards is widely available in
both paid and free formats. Legislation in the US, Canada, and the United
kingdom, and probably in most jurisdictions in the modern world obligates
designers to comply with the standards. Numerous studies and testimony from
developers embrasing the new access technology paradigm all indicate that
web content that follows the standards around accessibility is also more
secure, more stable and better performing, more broadly compatible, and
cheaper to build as opposed to the cost of bolting on accessibility later.
Finally, NVDA is widely recognized as the most standards compliant screen
reader in production today.

Some day soon, we should get to a point where designers are so consious of
accessibility that we really don't need a scripting capability in NVDA at
all. The point is, web content is so easy to develop accessibly, and the
laws and documentation are so supportive, that it should already be being
done. If some one isn't complying, the best thing is to grab them by the
short and kirlys and force them to comply. The second best thing is to go
to a compliant competitor and hope the noncompliant one bogs down in it's
own poor design issues.

I realize there may be some employment case for scripting internal corporate
websites, but even that case is based more on a company's willingness to pay
or legal obligation to do so.

It really is past time where developers should be looking at accessibility
in the very basic design stage just as they would with security and
compatibility, but they won't do unless we demand it.

Best,

Erik


On August 3, 2017 12:14:35 PM "Webmaster Deweer"
<webmaster_deweer@hotmail.be> wrote:

Hy, Joseph. Wouldn't bei t a great function in NVDA?

Cheers, Jordy.

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Namens Joseph Lee
Verzonden: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:00 PM
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

Hi,
No, you can't create app modules for websites, or as it is called in JAWS
world, "domain-specific scripts".
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Webmaster Deweer
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

Hello. So how can I configure things for a specific uri? Thanks in advance!

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Van: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Namens nasrin khaksar
Verzonden: Thursday, August 3, 2017 5:21 PM
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

hello.
yes.
addons in nvda are like scripts in jaws.
for any addon or appModule that you want to create, you need to know python.
God bless you.

On 8/3/17, Webmaster Deweer <webmaster_deweer@hotmail.be> wrote:
Dear members,

This is one of the little questions I ask here.

I'd like to ask the following: is it possible to develop a appmodule
or something similar to that for one specific website, like in JAWS?

Thanks in advance!

Best wishes,
Jordy

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Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

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Even some errors are ignored as they are expected.
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Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 7:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


I should also point out that the log doesn't say either that no JAVA access bridge nor no Braille is stated as an error. The log might say warning: no this or that available. I haven't looked at the log to any extent before this and I don't know what the log says when it detects an error. But it cannot be assumed that a message that says warning and not error, is considered by NVDA to be an error nor that it generates the error sound.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


I looked at my NVDA log and it also says JAVA Access Bridge not available and it is listed as an error. I don't have JAVA on my machine nor do I have any program that requires it. Don't assume that an error has any meaning or is the cause of a problem just because a log has an error. You could spend a lot of time solving a problem that doesn't exist. I'm saying that to people in general. There was no reason to assume the error message had anything to do with the error sound being played. No one had established that no access bridge ever causes an error nor whether the computer in question has or is running any JAVA programs other than JAVA itself. and if just running JAVA with no access bridge would cause an error sound, I expect that we would have seen questions about the error sound long before this. A lot of people have JAVA running and never use it.

In a case like this, the very first thing that should have been done was for others to see if they have the same error message in their logs and were not having the error sound played. I have some sort of Braille error message as well because I don't use a Braille display. Again, the log shows this as an error. It is meaningless.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


The first question is whether the error message is caused by the JAVA access bridge not being available. Does NVDA make an error sound if a JAVA application runs and no Access bridge is available? Do you even need the JAVA access bridge? If a JAVA program is running on your machine, do you ever use it or need it? Most people don't need JAVA. To this point the assumption has been that the JAVA access bridge is needed and that that is the cause of the error. But are those assumptions correct?

Gene
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From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


hi.
if you need java,
you can install it from
www.java.com

On 8/4/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps you're right I'm not sure. But how to fix it. I really don't like
to hear the warning sound after starting nvda.
Thanks!

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

Some software needs both the 32 and 64 bit versions installing and
activating.
However from what the original post says, I'm not convinced this is the
error
that is heard. My feeling is that it has something to do with character
sets.
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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


hi.
for which purpose do you need java access briedge?
i dont think that nvda faces a problem when its not available!
i dont think that its different for activating this in different
versions of windows.
God bless you.

On 8/3/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not
available".
How can I enable it?
Thanks!




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Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

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I don't think so as looking at the log on my non java machine I see the error but its not triggering the sound in any of the snaps. What has caused issues in next of late is the change in the name of a file further down the boot up process. This has no actual effect on the workings of nvda but can make an error sound. if this persists after an installed version is run though my feeling is that the .ini file got mangled and a clean install seems to fix that.another thing to test is to disable all add ons. Out of date add ons used with, Next snaps can also throw these errors, and if you enable them one at a time the culprit will be found, then simply go to the add ons site and download the latest version.
Lots of changes are coming up which will make older add ons either obsolete or give errors so folk really should make sure add ons are up to date.
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Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


The first question is whether the error message is caused by the JAVA access bridge not being available. Does NVDA make an error sound if a JAVA application runs and no Access bridge is available? Do you even need the JAVA access bridge? If a JAVA program is running on your machine, do you ever use it or need it? Most people don't need JAVA. To this point the assumption has been that the JAVA access bridge is needed and that that is the cause of the error. But are those assumptions correct?

Gene
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From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 11:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


hi.
if you need java,
you can install it from
www.java.com

On 8/4/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps you're right I'm not sure. But how to fix it. I really don't like
to hear the warning sound after starting nvda.
Thanks!

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

Some software needs both the 32 and 64 bit versions installing and
activating.
However from what the original post says, I'm not convinced this is the
error
that is heard. My feeling is that it has something to do with character
sets.
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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


hi.
for which purpose do you need java access briedge?
i dont think that nvda faces a problem when its not available!
i dont think that its different for activating this in different
versions of windows.
God bless you.

On 8/3/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not
available".
How can I enable it?
Thanks!




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imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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al-islam.org









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Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

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If any software uses it, often both 32 and 64 b bit versions are needed I found, assuming 64 bit windows and now the bridge is built into both. I'm sure I saw clear instructions on how to turn it on in a help file when I installed it. It was a simple command line thing that you entered once for each one. I found, however that for me, now, most oftware seems not to need it and it seems to always be needing security updates so I ditched it. Brian

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Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 5:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


hi.
if you need java,
you can install it from
www.java.com

On 8/4/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps you're right I'm not sure. But how to fix it. I really don't like
to hear the warning sound after starting nvda.
Thanks!

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

Some software needs both the 32 and 64 bit versions installing and
activating.
However from what the original post says, I'm not convinced this is the
error
that is heard. My feeling is that it has something to do with character
sets.
Brian

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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


hi.
for which purpose do you need java access briedge?
i dont think that nvda faces a problem when its not available!
i dont think that its different for activating this in different
versions of windows.
God bless you.

On 8/3/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not
available".
How can I enable it?
Thanks!




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imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
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Re: How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

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Are you using the master or next branch. Obviously you are using one of these, as otherwise you would not hear the noise.
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Sent: Friday, August 04, 2017 3:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


Perhaps you're right I'm not sure. But how to fix it. I really don't like
to hear the warning sound after starting nvda.
Thanks!

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Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?

Some software needs both the 32 and 64 bit versions installing and
activating.
However from what the original post says, I'm not convinced this is the error
that is heard. My feeling is that it has something to do with character sets.
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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] How enable Java Access Bridge on Windows 10?


hi.
for which purpose do you need java access briedge?
i dont think that nvda faces a problem when its not available!
i dont think that its different for activating this in different
versions of windows.
God bless you.

On 8/3/17, 高生旺 <coscell@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

I'm running Windows 10. When I start NVDA it always play an error sound.
And I can find the message in log file: "Java Access Bridge not available".
How can I enable it?
Thanks!




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Re: Firefox and RSS

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It does seem strange to me also. It might be something else entirely like an ad blocker in IE or some setting that is incorrect. I don't use IE11 much but it still worked in 10 last time I tried it.
If the user with the issue could set his logging to debug and get a log of what is going on when nvda stops it might shed some light on a dark probllem.
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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS


I'm using IE11 under Windows7 working great! So it's weird what you guys
are mentioning here of IE11 with NVDA stopping speaking? Might it be a
Windows10 problem?


El 03/08/2017 a las 03:36 p.m., Gene escribió:
How long ago did Internet Explorer start not working properly? If you
are no longer using it, you have nothing to lose so why not try
resetting it back to factory defaults. I don't know if you lose
information such as favorites or cookies if you do this so you may
want to export cookies and favorites first.
Perhaps you will get an answerabout Firefox. You may want to wait and
see or you may want to try resetting Internet Explorer and you may
want, if you don't get satisfactory answers about firefox, to ask what
RSS readers to use instead, independent of the browser.
Gene
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*Sent:* Thursday, August 03, 2017 3:17 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

Hi,

I requested the same assist few days ago. Please, IE11 is useless, it
stops talking as soon as you launch it. I had an excellent setup to
receive RSS feeds on the companies I track. It is no longer possible
to use given IE11 difficulties working with NVDA. I would appreciate
any help/suggestion how to setup RSS feeds with Firefox. If it can be
done with Edge, that is also fine.

Very much appreciated

Blessings

Pascal

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*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS

Hi,

some months ago I had same question. unfortunately I did not get a
setisfied answer. I tried Bamboo feed reader and other but noone did
not me allow to work with RSS feeds in FF as I worked with them in IE.

And what is wrong with IE now? IE is simply becoming outdated and
unstable.

So if anyone knows a good addon for rss or as FF terminology says
"live bookmarks", I would very appretiate it.
I mean a good addon which can emulate an IE layout and can benefit of
FF strenth.

Regards, Jožef

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Re: Firefox and RSS

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I don't use rss except for podcasts. I've never understood the way firefox active bookmarks or whateever they call it work myself.
I just use a stand alone podcatcher.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS


Hi Brian,
Each time I launch IE11, it opens up, start talking, then suddenly it quits and I have to close the browser. I tolerated the chock ups for while to use it with the RSS setup feeds for the companies I track for investment. However, recently it just goes silent. So I gave up using it. Any idea on how to setup and use RSS feeds with Firefox is greatly appreciated. Honestly, I was hoping you would answer.
Thanks
Blessings
Pascal
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What is wrong with IE11?
Curious.
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Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 3:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox and RSS


Hi,
I have given up on using IE11 where I had all my RSS set up as the browser
is basically unusable with NVDA. I opened IE11 this morning to add a
company to my RSS feed, and it stuttered and went silent. I had to restart
my computer. Please any help on setting up RSS feed with Firefox or Edge
for that matter is greatly appreciated.
Many thanks
Blessings
Pascal

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Thunderbird Add On To Allow First Letter Navigation For
Folders

Pity they don't do one that changes the key allocations to be more like
outlook express or one that adds identities so one can keep folder trees
from getting to look like spaghetti!
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Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2017 6:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] Thunderbird Add On To Allow First Letter Navigation For
Folders


Hi Group,


I got this referenced from another list.

There is an add on that allows folder navigation by typing the first
letter and it is called 'quick key folder navigation.' The
description says you have to type the first 3 letters, but if you only
have one folder that begins with the letter key you press, then you
will move right to the folder with just the first key press. I have
installed this and it works great. This restores one of the favorite
features for screen reader users that existed in the venerable and now
largely defunct Outlook Express.


Using Thunderbird, it is easy to install this add on. Just click
tools/add on manager/search for add on. Type in quick folder key
navigation, press enter, then tab to the list of results, highlight
the add on, right click and choose install. Then follow the prompts.
There is no need to browse the Mozilla website for the add on.


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Re: Firefox and RSS

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If IE11 is giving issues, you need to raise an issue in github as I've not seen any really serious problems other than the ones due to web sites poor design.
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Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS


Hi,

I requested the same assist few days ago. Please, IE11 is useless, it stops talking as soon as you launch it. I had an excellent setup to receive RSS feeds on the companies I track. It is no longer possible to use given IE11 difficulties working with NVDA. I would appreciate any help/suggestion how to setup RSS feeds with Firefox. If it can be done with Edge, that is also fine.

Very much appreciated

Blessings

Pascal

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Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox and RSS



Hi,

some months ago I had same question. unfortunately I did not get a setisfied answer. I tried Bamboo feed reader and other but noone did not me allow to work with RSS feeds in FF as I worked with them in IE.

And what is wrong with IE now? IE is simply becoming outdated and unstable.

So if anyone knows a good addon for rss or as FF terminology says "live bookmarks", I would very appretiate it.
I mean a good addon which can emulate an IE layout and can benefit of FF strenth.

Regards, Jožef


Re: Developing appmodule for specific website

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I think the point is more that Jaws has work arounds for bad web sites but the ethos should be to make web sites agree to the specs, not bodge screenreaders instead.


So what is the actual driving force for making a non standard sitein the case you mention?
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From: "Webmaster Deweer" <webmaster_deweer@hotmail.be>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2017 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website


Hello all. Thanks for all that input. I am developing something, but only NVDA has troubles with it. It's because of the use of jQueryUI, I think. It hase problems with the tabs and accordions...

Is there a way to make this accessible? I don't have this problem using JAWS.

Greetings, Jordy.

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Van: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Namens erik burggraaf
Verzonden: Thursday, August 3, 2017 8:01 PM
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

Hi, you would think this would be great wouldn't you? Personally, I happen to think this wouldn't be so good, and here's why. Websites exist largely in the new access technology paradigm; all things designed to be used by everyone. Globally recognized standards and frameworks are in place.
Various insundary documentation on these standards is widely available in both paid and free formats. Legislation in the US, Canada, and the United kingdom, and probably in most jurisdictions in the modern world obligates designers to comply with the standards. Numerous studies and testimony from developers embrasing the new access technology paradigm all indicate that web content that follows the standards around accessibility is also more secure, more stable and better performing, more broadly compatible, and cheaper to build as opposed to the cost of bolting on accessibility later. Finally, NVDA is widely recognized as the most standards compliant screen reader in production today.

Some day soon, we should get to a point where designers are so consious of accessibility that we really don't need a scripting capability in NVDA at all. The point is, web content is so easy to develop accessibly, and the laws and documentation are so supportive, that it should already be being done. If some one isn't complying, the best thing is to grab them by the short and kirlys and force them to comply. The second best thing is to go to a compliant competitor and hope the noncompliant one bogs down in it's own poor design issues.

I realize there may be some employment case for scripting internal corporate websites, but even that case is based more on a company's willingness to pay or legal obligation to do so.

It really is past time where developers should be looking at accessibility in the very basic design stage just as they would with security and compatibility, but they won't do unless we demand it.

Best,

Erik


On August 3, 2017 12:14:35 PM "Webmaster Deweer"
<webmaster_deweer@hotmail.be> wrote:

Hy, Joseph. Wouldn't bei t a great function in NVDA?

Cheers, Jordy.

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Van: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Namens Joseph Lee
Verzonden: Thursday, August 3, 2017 6:00 PM
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

Hi,
No, you can't create app modules for websites, or as it is called in JAWS world, "domain-specific scripts".
Cheers,
Joseph

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Webmaster Deweer
Sent: Thursday, August 3, 2017 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

Hello. So how can I configure things for a specific uri? Thanks in advance!

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Van: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Namens nasrin khaksar
Verzonden: Thursday, August 3, 2017 5:21 PM
Aan: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Onderwerp: Re: [nvda] Developing appmodule for specific website

hello.
yes.
addons in nvda are like scripts in jaws.
for any addon or appModule that you want to create, you need to know python.
God bless you.

On 8/3/17, Webmaster Deweer <webmaster_deweer@hotmail.be> wrote:
Dear members,

This is one of the little questions I ask here.

I'd like to ask the following: is it possible to develop a appmodule
or something similar to that for one specific website, like in JAWS?

Thanks in advance!

Best wishes,
Jordy

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