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Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Gene
 

I wonder why. You would think that, dealing with the virtual cursor in Browse mode, you would see the same content by moving with the arrow keys.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 6:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If you go to http://qrz.com and try and access yoru profile you cannot unless you go to document view, find your call, click it, then use document review to find the expanded menu. Sometimes up and dow arrow will work, sometimes not, it depends on the site. Also if you go to http://simmarket.com you sometimes have to use document review to see what's going on especially when you are buying stuff. also at http://aavirtual.net, http://fdx.org, http://flyvirtual.net, etc. There are others where you were forced to use all 3 views, but I can't recall them as it's ben almost 10 years since i've been on those sites.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 3 Feb 2021, at 16:03, Gene wrote:



I didn't notice you said document review. So I withdraw my comments about you confusing different views in large part. But there is your statement I commented about in a different message. I will leave that question opened as it isn't clarified.

But why use document review on web sites. You can move around on web pages using the virtual cursor as if you are in a document with arrow keys, tab, quick navigation keys, etc. I see no advantage in seeing how the document is laid out or in efficiency in using document review.

Of course, there are times when you are trying to activate something where you need to use the virtual mouse, but at those times, remaining in object navigation, routing the mouse to your location and clicking works fine. You may be able to do that in document review too, but I see no advantage.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That's why I said document view on a website, not screen review. I believe there is a screen review as well on the website side of things. I must look when I'm not working. Yes, you can go from object to object. I do not, I do use document view to explore though. So, it behooves the user to be Perficient at both, starting with screen review/document review, then object review. It to me makes sense work flow wise.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That is not necessarily true and is an over generalization. A user doesn't have to learn screen review first. It is easier to understand and learn screen review first and a lot of people know how to use it from using other screen-readers that have that feature. There are times when you can see something with screen review you can't see in object review. there are times you can see something in object review you can't in screen review. If the user is advanced to the point where he/she needs access in ways many less advanced users do, they should learn both for good access.

But you are making a certain statement that is not true. You can't use screen review on web pages. If you think you are, then you are using object review and you think you are using screen review.

When you are using screen review, you can still move from object to object as though you were in objecct review. I don't use the laptop layout, but if you use the commands NVDA key numpad 4 or NVDA numpad 6, those move you from object to object regardless of whether you are in screen review or object review.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one
object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is
designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen
review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see
examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You
will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to
screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review
for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make
any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do,
rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get
around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must
learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via
object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review
mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current
line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing
so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers
send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object
navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review
mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document
view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't
work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of
stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only
way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer
screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant
app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in
Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When
you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to
the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure
out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive
letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do
not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines
and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings
using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how
to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read
what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?


Re: Excel 365: Adding Note on Cell

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I'm not sure a debug log would help, but I'll send you one next time I
need to use the context menu. My understanding of the issue was the
original question was that if you try to add a note to a cell using
the context menu NVDA would quit speaking altogether until you
navigated away from and then back into the spreadsheet. That is
exactly the issue I have with 2016. The thread I started is here:
https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/topic/having_issues_with_nvda_with/78332368?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,340,78332368

On 2/3/21, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Bob,

I think there might be several issues at play here:

1) The original question was around adding notes to cells. This works if
you use the shortcut but not if you do it via the context menu - because we
programmed our dialog to be triggered via the shortcut key.

2) I'm not familiar with your context menu query, but other functions
should work via the context menu, eg inserting cells, opening format cells,
sort, filter, etc. - I didn't trawl through issues extensively, so there
may be an issue I'm not familiar with.

If there isn't already an issue for your context menu freeze, then we'd
definitely like to explore it further - a debug log replicating the issue
would be a great place to start. Do email me offlist if you want to share
a log - info@nvaccess.org

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 5:57 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@gmail.com> wrote:

This sounds like the exact same issue I have with Excel 2016, not 365
using NVDA 2020.3. This was the first post I made to this list back in
December when I joined, and was recommended an alpha build to try to
fix the problem. As that was a few months ago, I would assume that
build has been integrated into 2020.4, though I don't know for sure.
This happens to me any time I use the context menu though. Usually in
my case, I use it to insert and delete cells, and just like the
original message, I have to alt+tab away from and back into the
spreadsheet to get NVDA to speak again. I'm not even sure if 2016 has
the note feature. Either way, I don't use it, but this is a problem
with any action involving the context menu.

On 2/2/21, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear all,

I am using NVDA 2020.4 Beta 4 and Excel for Microsoft 365 (the offline
app not the web-based interface). I navigated to a cell wherein I
wanted to write a brief remark, pressed the Applications key, and then
pressed Enter on the New Note Add a note about this part of the
document option. This opens up something that NVDA is completely
silent in. Tabbing or arrowing around doesn't help, nor does object
navigation. I have to press Escape and Alt+Tab away and back to the
spreadsheet to get back to the cell, and "has comment" (which comment
I presume would be blank) is reported by NVDA. I would like to
properly access this note/comment editing area so as to actually use
this Excel feature. Is this a known accessibility issue or can it be
resolved? Are there work-arounds?

I would greatly appreciate any assistance.

Thanks.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah
Stanford University | Class of 2024
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/









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Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Chris Smart
 

Hi Sarah. I have a quick question about www.qrz.com if you don't mind.


I still access that site using Jaws, because of how they display email addresses. If you look up somebody and find where their email address is listed, you hear text saying "use mouse to view". Simply exploring that area with the Jaws cursor makes the email address visible. How do I accomplish that in NVDA?


thanks

Chris



On 2021-02-03 7:34 p.m., Sarah k Alawami wrote:

If you go to http://qrz.com and try and access yoru profile you cannot unless you go to document view, find your call, click it, then use document review to find the expanded menu. Sometimes up and dow arrow will work, sometimes not, it depends on the site. Also if you go to http://simmarket.com you sometimes have to use document review to see what's going on especially when you are buying stuff. also at http://aavirtual.net, http://fdx.org, http://flyvirtual.net, etc. There are others where you were forced to use all 3 views, but I can't recall them as it's ben almost 10 years since i've been on those sites.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 3 Feb 2021, at 16:03, Gene wrote:

I didn't notice you said document review. So I withdraw my comments about you confusing different views in large part. But there is your statement I commented about in a different message. I will leave that question opened as it isn't clarified.

But why use document review on web sites. You can move around on web pages using the virtual cursor as if you are in a document with arrow keys, tab, quick navigation keys, etc. I see no advantage in seeing how the document is laid out or in efficiency in using document review.

Of course, there are times when you are trying to activate something where you need to use the virtual mouse, but at those times, remaining in object navigation, routing the mouse to your location and clicking works fine. You may be able to do that in document review too, but I see no advantage.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That's why I said document view on a website, not screen review. I believe there is a screen review as well on the website side of things. I must look when I'm not working. Yes, you can go from object to object. I do not, I do use document view to explore though. So, it behooves the user to be Perficient at both, starting with screen review/document review, then object review. It to me makes sense work flow wise.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That is not necessarily true and is an over generalization. A user doesn't have to learn screen review first. It is easier to understand and learn screen review first and a lot of people know how to use it from using other screen-readers that have that feature. There are times when you can see something with screen review you can't see in object review. there are times you can see something in object review you can't in screen review. If the user is advanced to the point where he/she needs access in ways many less advanced users do, they should learn both for good access.

But you are making a certain statement that is not true. You can't use screen review on web pages. If you think you are, then you are using object review and you think you are using screen review.

When you are using screen review, you can still move from object to object as though you were in objecct review. I don't use the laptop layout, but if you use the commands NVDA key numpad 4 or NVDA numpad 6, those move you from object to object regardless of whether you are in screen review or object review.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one
object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is
designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen
review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see
examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You
will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to
screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review
for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make
any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do,
rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get
around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must
learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via
object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review
mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current
line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing
so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers
send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object
navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review
mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document
view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't
work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of
stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only
way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer
screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant
app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in
Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When
you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to
the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure
out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive
letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do
not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines
and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings
using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how
to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read
what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?




















































Possibility of nvda configuring profile not just based on apps, but based on title

William
 

Hi,

I currently have profiles that match program name, like one profile that is working on word and notepad.

I do also want this profile to work on online text editing site, like Google doc etc, but currently I can only either manually activate the profile, or activate the profile on the whole firefox program.

Is it possible, or is there someone who has proposed so, letting profile to configure based on particular title of that program?

Like the above case, profile will be activated in firefox if the title match certain regular expression pattern.

Thanks,

William


Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Sarah k Alawami
 

If you go to http://qrz.com and try and access yoru profile you cannot unless you go to document view, find your call, click it, then use document review to find the expanded menu. Sometimes up and dow arrow will work, sometimes not, it depends on the site. Also if you go to http://simmarket.com you sometimes have to use document review to see what's going on especially when you are buying stuff. also at http://aavirtual.net, http://fdx.org, http://flyvirtual.net, etc. There are others where you were forced to use all 3 views, but I can't recall them as it's ben almost 10 years since i've been on those sites.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 3 Feb 2021, at 16:03, Gene wrote:

I didn't notice you said document review. So I withdraw my comments about you confusing different views in large part. But there is your statement I commented about in a different message. I will leave that question opened as it isn't clarified.

But why use document review on web sites. You can move around on web pages using the virtual cursor as if you are in a document with arrow keys, tab, quick navigation keys, etc. I see no advantage in seeing how the document is laid out or in efficiency in using document review.

Of course, there are times when you are trying to activate something where you need to use the virtual mouse, but at those times, remaining in object navigation, routing the mouse to your location and clicking works fine. You may be able to do that in document review too, but I see no advantage.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That's why I said document view on a website, not screen review. I believe there is a screen review as well on the website side of things. I must look when I'm not working. Yes, you can go from object to object. I do not, I do use document view to explore though. So, it behooves the user to be Perficient at both, starting with screen review/document review, then object review. It to me makes sense work flow wise.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That is not necessarily true and is an over generalization. A user doesn't have to learn screen review first. It is easier to understand and learn screen review first and a lot of people know how to use it from using other screen-readers that have that feature. There are times when you can see something with screen review you can't see in object review. there are times you can see something in object review you can't in screen review. If the user is advanced to the point where he/she needs access in ways many less advanced users do, they should learn both for good access.

But you are making a certain statement that is not true. You can't use screen review on web pages. If you think you are, then you are using object review and you think you are using screen review.

When you are using screen review, you can still move from object to object as though you were in objecct review. I don't use the laptop layout, but if you use the commands NVDA key numpad 4 or NVDA numpad 6, those move you from object to object regardless of whether you are in screen review or object review.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one
object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is
designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen
review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see
examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You
will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to
screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review
for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make
any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do,
rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get
around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must
learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via
object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review
mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current
line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing
so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers
send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object
navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review
mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document
view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't
work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of
stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only
way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer
screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant
app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in
Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When
you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to
the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure
out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive
letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do
not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines
and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings
using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how
to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read
what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?




















































Re: adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

Sarah k Alawami
 

Oh, that I didn't know, I could not find the calendars to sync under settings. Is there an issue about this on github? is this an nvda or windows issue?

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On 3 Feb 2021, at 15:45, Sam Taylor via groups.io wrote:

Yep it syncs everything. I add everything to Windows Calendar now, which means it syncs to iPhone, Google Home, etc.

Whether or not a calendar is selected for syncing may be trial or error, because as you say, you can't tell whether or not it's checked.



On 4/02/2021 9:36 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Thanks. I was going right. I’m surprised I can’t select the calendars I can see; I’m assuming it syncs everything? It is a nifty little app. I’ll have a play with all of this later. I think I’m good for now. I’m feeling a bit stupid right now, and tired, it’s been a long work day.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

 

Hi Sarah,

When I did this, I opened the calendar, and, using Object review, moved the navigator object to the previous object with NVDA+numpad 4, or shift+NVDA+Left Arrow. You'll go past 4 or 5 days, then find the go forward or back a month buttons, followed by search, and eventually settings.

Cheers

Sam

 

On 4/02/2021 5:26 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Well, this is a bit frustrating. I’m trying to follow this article, and I cannot. I have my calendar some how added to the windows 10 calendar app; however, I want to see how it happened. It says to click the settings at the bottom left corner. That’s fine, however I see no settings when I use nvda.

 

I tried screen review, going to the bottom with object navigation and just tabbing with no results. I even tried the alternate key, but all I see there is something about changing the group which I understand perfectly. I have not dealt with the windows calendar at all in my 20 years of using windows. Help?

 

Thanks, and happy Wednesday.


Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Gene
 

I may understand what you are saying, but I never do that.  If I am in object review, I use that and in screen review, I use that. While you can mix them, I've never done it.  therefore, I will withdraw my comments regarding that you may be confused about what you are working with.  I won't comment on how well your method works because I've never tried it.


But I do have a question for those who may be able to answer it, perhaps primarily developers on the list.  I've never understood why there is a document navigation mode.  I can navigate documents using the plain review commands while in object review, such as numpad 8, read current line in the object, numpad 7, move to and read previous line in the object navigator, etc.  I don't see anything that document review provides that matters.


I understand that reviewing a document with the commands I've been discussing or in screen review allows you to move around without disturbing your cursor position, but that has been possible for as long as I've used NVDA before document review.


Gene

On 2/3/2021 5:42 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Yes. Exactly. You look at the screen then interact with the objects within if you have to. I do this all the time with most programs I use now a days. I just did with BCUninstaller a few hours ago. I used both. So what I'm saying makes perfect sense, at least for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 3:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

Also, your last statement makes no sense. You say you must learn screen review first, then interact with each object with object review. That is not true. When you move in screen review, you are not moving by object unless you are using certain object navigation commands that work in both modes to move from object to object. When in screen review, you can move from object to object, then look at the object using screen review commands.
But you say, "I stress a user must learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via object review."

You can often look at the screen using screen review then interact with whatever you are working with wile in screen review. You move to an item, then use the move mouse command or the activate command. Technically, I don't know if those commands are working with the item you are on as an object, but from the user's perspective, you are working with things while in screen review.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one
object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is
designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen
review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see
examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You
will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to
screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review
for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make
any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do,
rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get
around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must
learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via
object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review
mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current
line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing
so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers
send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object
navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review
mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document
view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't
work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of
stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only
way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer
screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant
app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in
Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When
you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to
the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure
out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive
letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do
not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines
and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings
using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how
to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read
what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?
















































Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Gene
 

I didn't notice you said document review. So I withdraw my comments about you confusing different views in large part. But there is your statement I commented about in a different message. I will leave that question opened as it isn't clarified.

But why use document review on web sites. You can move around on web pages using the virtual cursor as if you are in a document with arrow keys, tab, quick navigation keys, etc. I see no advantage in seeing how the document is laid out or in efficiency in using document review.

Of course, there are times when you are trying to activate something where you need to use the virtual mouse, but at those times, remaining in object navigation, routing the mouse to your location and clicking works fine. You may be able to do that in document review too, but I see no advantage.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That's why I said document view on a website, not screen review. I believe there is a screen review as well on the website side of things. I must look when I'm not working. Yes, you can go from object to object. I do not, I do use document view to explore though. So, it behooves the user to be Perficient at both, starting with screen review/document review, then object review. It to me makes sense work flow wise.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That is not necessarily true and is an over generalization. A user doesn't have to learn screen review first. It is easier to understand and learn screen review first and a lot of people know how to use it from using other screen-readers that have that feature. There are times when you can see something with screen review you can't see in object review. there are times you can see something in object review you can't in screen review. If the user is advanced to the point where he/she needs access in ways many less advanced users do, they should learn both for good access.

But you are making a certain statement that is not true. You can't use screen review on web pages. If you think you are, then you are using object review and you think you are using screen review.

When you are using screen review, you can still move from object to object as though you were in objecct review. I don't use the laptop layout, but if you use the commands NVDA key numpad 4 or NVDA numpad 6, those move you from object to object regardless of whether you are in screen review or object review.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one
object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is
designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen
review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see
examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You
will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to
screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review
for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make
any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do,
rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get
around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must
learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via
object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review
mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current
line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing
so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers
send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object
navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review
mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document
view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't
work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of
stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only
way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer
screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant
app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in
Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When
you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to
the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure
out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive
letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do
not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines
and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings
using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how
to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read
what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?


Re: Excel 365: Adding Note on Cell

Quentin Christensen
 

Bob,

I think there might be several issues at play here:

1) The original question was around adding notes to cells.  This works if you use the shortcut but not if you do it via the context menu - because we programmed our dialog to be triggered via the shortcut key.

2) I'm not familiar with your context menu query, but other functions should work via the context menu, eg inserting cells, opening format cells, sort, filter, etc. - I didn't trawl through issues extensively, so there may be an issue I'm not familiar with.

If there isn't already an issue for your context menu freeze, then we'd definitely like to explore it further - a debug log replicating the issue would be a great place to start.  Do email me offlist if you want to share a log - info@...

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 4, 2021 at 5:57 AM Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...> wrote:
This sounds like the exact same issue I have with Excel 2016, not 365
using NVDA 2020.3. This was the first post I made to this list back in
December when I joined, and was recommended an alpha build to try to
fix the problem. As that was a few months ago, I would assume that
build has been integrated into 2020.4, though I don't know for sure.
This happens to me any time I use the context menu though. Usually in
my case, I use it to insert and delete cells, and just like the
original message, I have to alt+tab away from and back into the
spreadsheet to get NVDA to speak again. I'm not even sure if 2016 has
the note feature. Either way, I don't use it, but this is a problem
with any action involving the context menu.

On 2/2/21, Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@...> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> I am using NVDA 2020.4 Beta 4 and Excel for Microsoft 365 (the offline
> app not the web-based interface). I navigated to a cell wherein I
> wanted to write a brief remark, pressed the Applications key, and then
> pressed Enter on the New Note Add a note about this part of the
> document option. This opens up something that NVDA is completely
> silent in. Tabbing or arrowing around doesn't help, nor does object
> navigation. I have to press Escape and Alt+Tab away and back to the
> spreadsheet to get back to the cell, and "has comment" (which comment
> I presume would be blank) is reported by NVDA. I would like to
> properly access this note/comment editing area so as to actually use
> this Excel feature. Is this a known accessibility issue or can it be
> resolved? Are there work-arounds?
>
> I would greatly appreciate any assistance.
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Best Regards
> Bhavya Shah
> Stanford University | Class of 2024
> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@...
> LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
>
>
>
>
>
>







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Training and Support Manager


Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

 

On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 06:37 PM, angela wrote:
No
-
No, what?  Consider this a moderator's warning, but I do not appreciate single word replies that are non sequiturs.  They help no one.

If using a keyboard, the keyboard shortcut NVDA+Q absolutely is for quit.  And that's what was stated by the post bottom-quoted in your single word reply.

If the user is not using a keyboard (which I suspect), then the instructions from  Mobeen Iqbal in message  , is correct.
 
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The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

Sam Taylor
 

Yep it syncs everything. I add everything to Windows Calendar now, which means it syncs to iPhone, Google Home, etc.

Whether or not a calendar is selected for syncing may be trial or error, because as you say, you can't tell whether or not it's checked.



On 4/02/2021 9:36 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Thanks. I was going right. I’m surprised I can’t select the calendars I can see; I’m assuming it syncs everything? It is a nifty little app. I’ll have a play with all of this later. I think I’m good for now. I’m feeling a bit stupid right now, and tired, it’s been a long work day.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

 

Hi Sarah,

When I did this, I opened the calendar, and, using Object review, moved the navigator object to the previous object with NVDA+numpad 4, or shift+NVDA+Left Arrow. You'll go past 4 or 5 days, then find the go forward or back a month buttons, followed by search, and eventually settings.

Cheers

Sam

 

On 4/02/2021 5:26 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Well, this is a bit frustrating. I’m trying to follow this article, and I cannot. I have my calendar some how added to the windows 10 calendar app; however, I want to see how it happened. It says to click the settings at the bottom left corner. That’s fine, however I see no settings when I use nvda.

 

I tried screen review, going to the bottom with object navigation and just tabbing with no results. I even tried the alternate key, but all I see there is something about changing the group which I understand perfectly. I have not dealt with the windows calendar at all in my 20 years of using windows. Help?

 

Thanks, and happy Wednesday.


Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yes. Exactly. You look at the screen then interact with the objects within if you have to. I do this all the time with most programs I use now a days. I just did with BCUninstaller a few hours ago. I used both. So what I'm saying makes perfect sense, at least for me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 3:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

Also, your last statement makes no sense. You say you must learn screen review first, then interact with each object with object review. That is not true. When you move in screen review, you are not moving by object unless you are using certain object navigation commands that work in both modes to move from object to object. When in screen review, you can move from object to object, then look at the object using screen review commands.
But you say, "I stress a user must learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via object review."

You can often look at the screen using screen review then interact with whatever you are working with wile in screen review. You move to an item, then use the move mouse command or the activate command. Technically, I don't know if those commands are working with the item you are on as an object, but from the user's perspective, you are working with things while in screen review.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one
object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is
designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen
review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see
examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You
will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to
screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review
for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make
any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do,
rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get
around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must
learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via
object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review
mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current
line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing
so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers
send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object
navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review
mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document
view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't
work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of
stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only
way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer
screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant
app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in
Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When
you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to
the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure
out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive
letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do
not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines
and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings
using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how
to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read
what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?


Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Sarah k Alawami
 

That's why I said document view on a website, not screen review. I believe there is a screen review as well on the website side of things. I must look when I'm not working. Yes, you can go from object to object. I do not, I do use document view to explore though. So, it behooves the user to be Perficient at both, starting with screen review/document review, then object review. It to me makes sense work flow wise.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review

That is not necessarily true and is an over generalization. A user doesn't have to learn screen review first. It is easier to understand and learn screen review first and a lot of people know how to use it from using other screen-readers that have that feature. There are times when you can see something with screen review you can't see in object review. there are times you can see something in object review you can't in screen review. If the user is advanced to the point where he/she needs access in ways many less advanced users do, they should learn both for good access.

But you are making a certain statement that is not true. You can't use screen review on web pages. If you think you are, then you are using object review and you think you are using screen review.

When you are using screen review, you can still move from object to object as though you were in objecct review. I don't use the laptop layout, but if you use the commands NVDA key numpad 4 or NVDA numpad 6, those move you from object to object regardless of whether you are in screen review or object review.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one
object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is
designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen
review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see
examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You
will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to
screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review
for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make
any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do,
rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get
around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must
learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via
object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review
mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current
line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing
so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers
send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object
navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review
mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document
view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't
work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of
stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only
way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer
screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant
app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in
Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When
you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to
the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure
out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive
letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do
not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines
and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings
using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how
to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read
what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?


Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

angela <galwaylassie1@...>
 

No


On Wed, Feb 3, 2021 at 23:35, hurrikennyandopo ...
<hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi


the shortcut is the nvda key + the letter Q if using a keyboard.


Gene nz


On 4/02/2021 11:40 am, angela via groups.io wrote:
I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?
 


Re: adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

Sarah k Alawami
 

Thanks. I was going right. I’m surprised I can’t select the calendars I can see; I’m assuming it syncs everything? It is a nifty little app. I’ll have a play with all of this later. I think I’m good for now. I’m feeling a bit stupid right now, and tired, it’s been a long work day.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sam Taylor via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] adding or amending an account to the windows 10 calendar

 

Hi Sarah,

When I did this, I opened the calendar, and, using Object review, moved the navigator object to the previous object with NVDA+numpad 4, or shift+NVDA+Left Arrow. You'll go past 4 or 5 days, then find the go forward or back a month buttons, followed by search, and eventually settings.

Cheers

Sam

 

On 4/02/2021 5:26 am, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Well, this is a bit frustrating. I’m trying to follow this article, and I cannot. I have my calendar some how added to the windows 10 calendar app; however, I want to see how it happened. It says to click the settings at the bottom left corner. That’s fine, however I see no settings when I use nvda.

 

I tried screen review, going to the bottom with object navigation and just tabbing with no results. I even tried the alternate key, but all I see there is something about changing the group which I understand perfectly. I have not dealt with the windows calendar at all in my 20 years of using windows. Help?

 

Thanks, and happy Wednesday.


Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


the shortcut is the nvda key + the letter Q if using a keyboard.


Gene nz


On 4/02/2021 11:40 am, angela via groups.io wrote:
I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?
 


Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

If you double tap on  the NVDA icon near the clock, a menu should come up. Double tap on preferences, then double tap on settings. Make sure the box to start NVDA and use NVDA on log on screen are unticked. Double tapping on them should untick them. Then double tap on OK.

Finally, double tap NVDA and double tap on exit. Then double tap on OK.
I hope that helps?

Cheers,

Mo.

On 03/02/2021 23:15, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hi.

Does your tablet have a physical keyboard?

If so, press NVDA plus q followed by enter to quit NVDA.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of angela via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

 

I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?

 


Re: How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

Does your tablet have a physical keyboard?

If so, press NVDA plus q followed by enter to quit NVDA.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of angela via groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

 

I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?

 


Re: Learning to be efficient with screen review

Gene
 

Also, your last statement makes no sense. You say you must learn screen review first, then interact with each object with object review. That is not true. When you move in screen review, you are not moving by object unless you are using certain object navigation commands that work in both modes to move from object to object. When in screen review, you can move from object to object, then look at the object using screen review commands. But you say, "I stress a user must learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via object review."

You can often look at the screen using screen review then interact with whatever you are working with wile in screen review. You move to an item, then use the move mouse command or the activate command. Technically, I don't know if those commands are working with the item you are on as an object, but from the user's perspective, you are working with things while in screen review.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 11:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



No, I'm talking about switching to screen review mode if there is only one object. It for me is much easier because of the way the laptop layout is designed, and most of the time, at least in the programs I use, screen review is much better and faster to use than object mode. If you want to see examples go to my lbry page and watch some of the videos I post, there. You will hear me using screen review, a lot. You will also hear me switch to screen review when I start the programs I need, then stay in screen review for the deration of the video(s) You will also see that arrows do not make any difference when I am using arrows which is, at least for what I do, rare. There are also other examples here as well.



I dun no know as I said how to use all the views perfectly, but I can get around fairly quickly in regard to what I need to do. I stress a user must learn screen review first, then interact with each element of the screen via object review.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2021 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



If there is only one object, you don't necessarily have to go into review mode. You can simply use the review commands, numpad 8 for read current line, numpad 7 for previous line, numpad 9 for next line, etc. When doing so in object navigation, you are reviewing the current objject.



Going into screen review doesn't work on web pages because of how browsers send data to the screen.



Are you talking about using commands such as numpad 8 while in object navigation or are you talking about actually switching to screen review mode?



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Sarah k Alawami

Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 2021 10:36 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



I agree to a point, however I would learn how to use screen and document view. There will come a time when you must use them because programs don't work well in object mode. For example, there is only 1 object but a lot of stuff on the screen that can be clicked, or using screen review is the only way to get around the app/website. I know how to use all the views. I prefer screen review and use it for getting around when I have a recalcitrant app/website.



-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 2, 2021 8:44 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review



You need to use object navigation. Screen review is much more limited in Windows 10 for technical reasons someone else will have to explain. When you use NVDA key b, you are actually reading all the objects available to the program.



Gene

-----Original Message-----

From: Deborah Armstrong

Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2021 7:18 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Learning to be efficient with screen review





I have found the NVDA screen review inconsistent and I am trying to figure out why and how to get around the problem.



Try this experiment:

1. Type Windows with R to issue the Run Command 2. Type an invalid drive letter say M: or I: and press enter.

An Error message will appear.

3. Use Insert numpad 1 or Insert Numpad 7 to switch to screen review (you do not want to be in object review).

4. Use the 8 and 9 numpad keys to read the error message.

This works fine.



Now press Windows I to go to settings.

1. Arrow down and right to Update and Security.

2. Use Insert-B to read the entire screen. That works..

3. But now try these review mode commands to review the screen.

Insert 1 or 7 to make sure you are in Screen review mode

7 8 and 9 on the numeric keypad to read the top, current and following lines and keep pressing 9.

You will only hear the word "Bottom".

They do not work. You cannot read the Windows update screen in settings using screen review.

You can explore your computer with object review, but I can't figure out how to read that screen, slowly at my own pace with the screen review mode.



Why is this? When focus cannot go to all areas of a screen, how can I read what's there? Or even if focus can go there, how can I select and copy with

NVDA-F9 and F10 or read it slower?


How do I turn off NVDA on a Windows Tablet?

angela <galwaylassie1@...>
 

I have a linx windows 10 tablet. The problem is I cannot turn NVDA off. Can someone help me please?
 

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