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Re: NVDA with Edge browser

 

Hi,
Typed characters: are you running Anniversary Update? The typed characters issue was fixed in recent Windows Insider builds, and will make its appearance as part of Creators Update in a few weeks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Edge browser

Have installed the 2017 RC1 of NVDA and am trying out the Edge browser.
when Edge is started you are on a edit box to enter a web address or search term. When I type here NVDA does not echo the characters being typed. Is there a setting to be changed or way to setup Edge to resolve this issue?
Thanks


NVDA with Edge browser

Don H
 

Have installed the 2017 RC1 of NVDA and am trying out the Edge browser. when Edge is started you are on a edit box to enter a web address or search term. When I type here NVDA does not echo the characters being typed. Is there a setting to be changed or way to setup Edge to resolve this issue?
Thanks


Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Brice Mijares
 

About ten years ago I used add and remove to uninstall an anti virus program and as I was installing the new virus program, I received a message stating something about it detected a virus program on my system and if I remember correctly, the installation was
aborted. Thats when I learned about uninstall tools.


Re: Bard Express with NVDA2017.1 RC?

 

This is a bard express design issue. It is not an NVDA issue. send feedback to the bard express team.


Bard Express with NVDA2017.1 RC?

Gerardo Corripio
 

For anyone using Bard Express with NVDA 2017.1 rc, are the lists still truncated? in case the NVDA devs can fix this annoyance before the final NVDA2017.1 release that is.


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Enviado desde Thunderbird


Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

When I've looked at instructions for two or three programs, they tell you that you can often remove the program using Add/Remove programs.  This or that program may not like traces of another program that may be left in this way but I've only heard of one such program and I've uninstalled and installed four or five antivirus programs with no conflicts.  My impression is that oftenb tools require the user to do something that requires sighted help such as fill in a captcha.  I try the easiest possibility first. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 7:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

In the past whenever I'm removing an anti virus program I first search
for a removal tool for the specific virus program. This way you'll have
no conflicts with new virus software.

On 2/14/2017 9:04 PM, Gene wrote:
> To uninstall Avast, use JAWS, you can use a JAWS demo.  then uninstall
> it from programs and features.  Clidck the remove button with the space
> bar.  When you do so dialogs will come up or something like dialogs.
> they won't be quite like dialogs because they will be the Avast
> installer.  Tab through them and see what you want to do.  I'm not sure
> just what you will find or if you will come across anything you might
> need help with because of not being spoken.
>
> Also, get the unchecky utility.  It doesn't know about all unwanted
> programs installed with a lot of free software but it will alert you to
> a good deal and allow you to avoid the installation.  You may not have
> an accessible way to avoid such installations so uncheckie is more
> important to blind users.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* coffeekingms@... <mailto:coffeekingms@...>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:51 PM
> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections
>
> hi
>
> Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software
> using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do
> install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option
> to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible
> way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll
> get the following additional software
>
> avast antivirus
>
> bite fence antimalware
>
> chromium
>
> advanced pc care
>
> stack player
>
> and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default
> browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem
> to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't
> seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps
> lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed.
> Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of
> software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop
> to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make
> that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome
> and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played
> around with it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
>
>
> On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
>> Hi Kendell,
>>
>> Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!
>>
>> CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and
>> others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip
>> to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking
>> at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other
>> formats.
>>
>> I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm
>> afraid.
>>
>> I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what
>> they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than
>> they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a
>> lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double
>> checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly
>> for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the
>> manufacturer's website.
>>
>> I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your
>> processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you
>> seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything
>> happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on
>> the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is,
>> it's evidently not overly common.
>>
>> Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works
>> fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular
>> browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth
>> keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with
>> one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes
>> with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do
>> support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick
>> with one of the others for the most part.
>>
>> If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS
>> Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a
>> standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a
>> full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/
>>
>> If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is
>> available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/
>>
>> I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but
>> all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter
>> anything else you need help or a recommendation on.
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@...
>> <mailto:coffeekingms@...> <coffeekingms@...
>> <mailto:coffeekingms@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     hi all
>>
>>     I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
>>     specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
>>     reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong
>>     list,
>>     but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
>>     prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
>>     speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
>>     point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible,
>>     software
>>     to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide
>>     a list.
>>
>>     A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
>>     if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
>>     since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
>>     rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't
>>     care for
>>     mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
>>     Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
>>     possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
>>     and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
>>     manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3,
>>     m4b, etc
>>     files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format
>>     factory
>>     and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle
>>     opus so I
>>     may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
>>     software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
>>     last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd
>>     like to start, assuming
>>     spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent
>>     software.
>>     I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
>>     accessible.
>>     I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
>>     Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
>>     torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as
>>     vinux and
>>     fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
>>     these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
>>     screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
>>     driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
>>     Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
>>     nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
>>     want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
>>     own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
>>     say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
>>     with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
>>     pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
>>     extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are
>>     there
>>     good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
>>     being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time
>>     windows
>>     user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help
>>     again.
>>
>>     Thanks
>>
>>     Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training Material Developer
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>
>



Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Brice Mijares
 

In the past whenever I'm removing an anti virus program I first search for a removal tool for the specific virus program. This way you'll have no conflicts with new virus software.

On 2/14/2017 9:04 PM, Gene wrote:
To uninstall Avast, use JAWS, you can use a JAWS demo. then uninstall
it from programs and features. Clidck the remove button with the space
bar. When you do so dialogs will come up or something like dialogs.
they won't be quite like dialogs because they will be the Avast
installer. Tab through them and see what you want to do. I'm not sure
just what you will find or if you will come across anything you might
need help with because of not being spoken.

Also, get the unchecky utility. It doesn't know about all unwanted
programs installed with a lot of free software but it will alert you to
a good deal and allow you to avoid the installation. You may not have
an accessible way to avoid such installations so uncheckie is more
important to blind users.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* coffeekingms@... <mailto:coffeekingms@...>
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:51 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software
using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do
install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option
to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible
way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll
get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default
browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem
to click or simulate a left click on the uninstall button, NVDA can't
seem to route the mouse pointer to the uninstall button using the caps
lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed.
Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of
software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop
to such a tactic. I'm not annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make
that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome
and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played
around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/ It looks up freedb and
others (you can set the one you want). I must admit I always just rip
to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it. Just looking
at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other
formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm
afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what
they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than
they solve. Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a
lot more autonomously than it used to. Sometimes it is worth double
checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly
for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the
manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting. AMD will be your
processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you
seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure. Is anything
happening immediately prior to it crashing? I did a google search on
the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is,
it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works
fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it. The popular
browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth
keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with
one than the other. Internet Explorer still works and still comes
with Windows, even Windows 10. If you are on Windows 10, we do
support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick
with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS
Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a
standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/ otherwise, LibreOffice is a
full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is
available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but
all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter
anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@...
<mailto:coffeekingms@...> <coffeekingms@...
<mailto:coffeekingms@...>> wrote:

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong
list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible,
software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide
a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't
care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3,
m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format
factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle
opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm <http://last.fm>? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd
like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent
software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very
accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as
vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are
there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time
windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help
again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

I experimented further and this time, I didn't see any meaningful text nor the check box unless I clicked on the text I did see when I moved into the object.  It was only something like two words before I clicked.  Afterwords, everything was readable.  I'm not sure what is occurring but it's interesting how difficult it is to see the text and checkbox. 
 
Also, I tried running the installer while not connected to the Internet.  The install additional software part of the installation was completely skipped.  Does that mean that it truly is skipped or does it mean that when running the program for the first time, it will offer to install software again?  I'll let others experiment, if interested.  But disconnecting from the Internet may cause many instances where programs want to install software not to function.  I don't know if it does or if it just delays the attempted installation but it's something people may want to experiment with.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

I just experimented with the installer again.  I found that the check box is visible, along with information about what will be installed by using object navigation.  You have to go farther in the structure than you would probably expect.  Once I was in the dialog, I then moved to the next object the child object, if that is the correct term, in the dialog.  I there found text about what would be installed and a checkbox to uncheck.  I suspect JAWS can find this information as well using their new navigation feature.  I read about it awhile ago and it is intended as a means to navigate touch interfaces but I've seen on this list that it is roughly the equivalent of NVDA's object navigation. 
 
Using NVDA b in NVDA didn't read the information.  For technical reasons I don't know or understand, at times NVDA b won't read information you can see by using object navigation and moving into certain deeper objects.
Then there are times when NVDA key b will read information that is difficult to find manually. Note that I'm not talking about using review mode.  I'm talking about using object navigation.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

The program didn't used to include unwanted programs.  I didn't install it today but I was curious what was displayed in the preinstallation dialogs so I went through them up to the point where other programs were offered.  To the credit of the CDEX designers, you are clearly told that other programs will be installed, though not in that language.  The installer doesn't try to sneak the other programs by without you noticing as is often the case unless you are very carefull about reading all installation dialogs thoroughly.  But whatever means are offered to opt out are not seen by screen-readers.  I saw on the page where you download the program that a portable version is offered.  The portable, version, according to a comment I've seen on another list, doesn't include any potentially unwanted programs. Therefore, those wanting to use the newest version of CDEX may try the portable version.   
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Eek!  Sorry!  I haven't installed from scratch for awhile clearly and didn't remember that or I definitely would have warned you!

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed. Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is, it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





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Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


NVDA and Edge

Dean Martineau <topdot@...>
 

So this version will bring ‘improved support for Microsoft Edge.”  I’d like to hear from those who have tested this.  Do you now use Edge as your preferred browser with NVDA, under some or all conditions? 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2017.1 RC1

 

Hi Dennis,

 

Sorry I was a bit slow with the e-mail going out today!  Highlights of this release include reporting of sections and text columns in Microsoft Word; Support for reading, navigating and annotating books in Kindle for PC; and improved support for Microsoft Edge.

 

 

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 7:05 PM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

Awesome!  What is new for this version?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of "*
Wagner Soares Da Silva *
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 2:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA 2017.1 RC1

Hello, the NVDA 2017.1 release Candidate is now available.

Direct link:

http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.1rc1/nvda_2017.1rc1.exe

Grande Abraço, Wagner.

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 .







 

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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

I just experimented with the installer again.  I found that the check box is visible, along with information about what will be installed by using object navigation.  You have to go farther in the structure than you would probably expect.  Once I was in the dialog, I then moved to the next object the child object, if that is the correct term, in the dialog.  I there found text about what would be installed and a checkbox to uncheck.  I suspect JAWS can find this information as well using their new navigation feature.  I read about it awhile ago and it is intended as a means to navigate touch interfaces but I've seen on this list that it is roughly the equivalent of NVDA's object navigation. 
 
Using NVDA b in NVDA didn't read the information.  For technical reasons I don't know or understand, at times NVDA b won't read information you can see by using object navigation and moving into certain deeper objects.
Then there are times when NVDA key b will read information that is difficult to find manually. Note that I'm not talking about using review mode.  I'm talking about using object navigation.
 
Gene 
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:12 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

The program didn't used to include unwanted programs.  I didn't install it today but I was curious what was displayed in the preinstallation dialogs so I went through them up to the point where other programs were offered.  To the credit of the CDEX designers, you are clearly told that other programs will be installed, though not in that language.  The installer doesn't try to sneak the other programs by without you noticing as is often the case unless you are very carefull about reading all installation dialogs thoroughly.  But whatever means are offered to opt out are not seen by screen-readers.  I saw on the page where you download the program that a portable version is offered.  The portable, version, according to a comment I've seen on another list, doesn't include any potentially unwanted programs. Therefore, those wanting to use the newest version of CDEX may try the portable version.   
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Eek!  Sorry!  I haven't installed from scratch for awhile clearly and didn't remember that or I definitely would have warned you!

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed. Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is, it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

You can get Unchecky at
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Where do I get uncheckiefrom?  Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 12:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

 

To uninstall Avast, use JAWS, you can use a JAWS demo.  then uninstall it from programs and features.  Clidck the remove button with the space bar.  When you do so dialogs will come up or something like dialogs.  they won't be quite like dialogs because they will be the Avast installer.  Tab through them and see what you want to do.  I'm not sure just what you will find or if you will come across anything you might need help with because of not being spoken.

 

Also, get the unchecky utility.  It doesn't know about all unwanted programs installed with a lot of free software but it will alert you to a good deal and allow you to avoid the installation.  You may not have an accessible way to avoid such installations so uncheckie is more important to blind users.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 10:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

 

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed. Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

 

 

On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Kendell,

 

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

 

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other formats.

 

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm afraid.

 

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the manufacturer's website.

 

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is, it's evidently not overly common.

 

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick with one of the others for the most part.

 

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

 

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

 

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter anything else you need help or a recommendation on.


Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark






 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

I just experimented and scanned the CDEX installation file downloaded from the site of the developers.  That installer offers to install other programs, as previously discussed.  Virus Total had one false positive out of 55 antivirus programs the file was scanned with.  This means that if an installer installs unwanted programs but is not malicious aside from this, it may not be detected as malicious by antimalware programs. 
 
Use unchecky.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

One way we know is because thousands or millions of people use it and I haven't seen one comaint on three lists I follow about spyware being added to machines using Ninite. 
There may be other ways of checking as well but that one is persuasive and reliable. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Isaac
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

how do we know ninite.org is not spiware?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io" <sukiletxe@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections


> Hi Kendell,
>
> Sorry to hear about your resignation from Sonar. Hope the situation
> improves over time.
>
> For ripping CDs, you can also use Foobar 2000, which is a music player
> (though it extracts audio from videos, too).
>
> There is a CLI version of youtube-dl that works on Windows too (standalone
> .exe file).
>
> For installing software with no other stuff, I suggest you take a look at
> ninite.org , which will install the software you choose from their
> selection of <100 programs. To update it, you just rerun the installer.
> They even offer a section for accessible software, and offer to install
> NVDA.
>
> Also, you may like chocolatey.org . Chocolatey is a open source (though it
> also offers pro versions)command-line package manager for Windows. Be
> aware though: like in Linux, sometimes the software you install with it
> may not be up to date (the NVDA there is from 2014 for example). But it
> does an excellent job of not installing additional things.
>
> For Portable Applications, the most popular one is Portable Apps. You can
> either download the platform and "install" the portable software you want
> from there, or download the standalone portable apps.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sukil
>
>
>
> El 15/02/2017 a las 4:04, coffeekingms@... escribió:
>> hi all
>>
>> I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
>> specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
>> reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
>> but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
>> prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
>> speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
>> point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
>> to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.
>>
>> A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
>> if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
>> since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
>> rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
>> mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
>> Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
>> possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
>> and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
>> manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
>> files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
>> and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
>> may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
>> software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
>> last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
>> spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
>> I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
>> I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
>> Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
>> torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
>> fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
>> these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
>> screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
>> driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
>> Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
>> nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
>> want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
>> own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
>> say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
>> with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
>> pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
>> extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
>> good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
>> being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
>> user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

One way we know is because thousands or millions of people use it and I haven't seen one comaint on three lists I follow about spyware being added to machines using Ninite. 
There may be other ways of checking as well but that one is persuasive and reliable. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Isaac
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

how do we know ninite.org is not spiware?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io" <sukiletxe@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections


> Hi Kendell,
>
> Sorry to hear about your resignation from Sonar. Hope the situation
> improves over time.
>
> For ripping CDs, you can also use Foobar 2000, which is a music player
> (though it extracts audio from videos, too).
>
> There is a CLI version of youtube-dl that works on Windows too (standalone
> .exe file).
>
> For installing software with no other stuff, I suggest you take a look at
> ninite.org , which will install the software you choose from their
> selection of <100 programs. To update it, you just rerun the installer.
> They even offer a section for accessible software, and offer to install
> NVDA.
>
> Also, you may like chocolatey.org . Chocolatey is a open source (though it
> also offers pro versions)command-line package manager for Windows. Be
> aware though: like in Linux, sometimes the software you install with it
> may not be up to date (the NVDA there is from 2014 for example). But it
> does an excellent job of not installing additional things.
>
> For Portable Applications, the most popular one is Portable Apps. You can
> either download the platform and "install" the portable software you want
> from there, or download the standalone portable apps.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Sukil
>
>
>
> El 15/02/2017 a las 4:04, coffeekingms@... escribió:
>> hi all
>>
>> I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
>> specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
>> reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
>> but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
>> prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
>> speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
>> point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
>> to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.
>>
>> A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
>> if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
>> since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
>> rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
>> mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
>> Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
>> possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
>> and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
>> manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
>> files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
>> and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
>> may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
>> software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
>> last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
>> spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
>> I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
>> I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
>> Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
>> torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
>> fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
>> these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
>> screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
>> driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
>> Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
>> nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
>> want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
>> own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
>> say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
>> with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
>> pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
>> extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
>> good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
>> being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
>> user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>




Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

You don't see the uninstaller information in any way using NVDA.  NVDA sees nothing in Avast unless self-protection is turned off.  What I've heard about this in the past is that the NVDA developers allowed JAWS to see information from the program but not not NVDA.  This is, evidently, something that must be done one screen-reader at a time.  Also, it's a good idea to have a JAWS demo on the machine as an alternative in case you run into a situation where NVDA doesn't work with something or not well and you want to try another screen-reader. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Glad to hear CDex is still being updated, but I definitely feel your pain on the annoyingly inaccessible installers. The problem is that the CDex developers can do absolutely nothing about it, because the installer is created by a third party developer. I have managed to get NVDA to uncheck those options in the past, but I now don't remember how. Something about golden cursor and simulated mouse movement. Also, while we're on the subject, did you ever try switching to object review and doing an NVDA+enter on the uninstall button? No point installing a whole JAWS demo if you can make it work another way. If you route the mouse with mouse tracking enabled, and you don't hear the name of the button spoken, it is possible that NVDA doesn't actually know where the button is. This can sometimes happen if you're using object navigation keystrokes but you're in screen review mode, for instance.

It looks like Dropbox has decided that my link to a piece of free software is in fact a violation of copyright law. Fantastic logical deduction. I put UTorrent 3.2.1 in an encrypted zip file. The password is utorrent:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.zip


On 2017-02-15 1:12, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Simon,

Re CDex,

The latest stable version is 1.82, released on 21st December 2016.  It definitely works on Windows 10 although it still has much the same interface it has had for about as long as I've used it.

Regards

Quentin.


On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Simon Jaeger <simon@...> wrote:
Hi,

If you were much of a command-line Linux user, you might want to check out Windows 10 bash:

http://www.howtogeek.com/249966/how-to-install-and-use-the-linux-bash-shell-on-windows-10/


YoutubeDLG is what I use for my videos. You can set some options in preferences according to whether you want to convert to audio and keep the video. You can also put custom command line parameters into its configuration which will get passed to youtube-dl directly. Personally, I keep the "convert to audio" checkbox unchecked, and add a -x to the command line parameters so that the original format gets preserved in the case of aac or opus audio. This depends entirely on whether you want to keep the video though.

CDex is definitely good, though I don't know if it's updated for Windows 10. It was the first ripper I ever used and worked until I decided to just use GoldWave's internal converter.

For torrenting, I use UTorrent, but a much older version (3.2.1). I don't know off hand where one can download this, so if you trust a google search more than a random stranger on a mailing list, feel free to find your own download. However, this is my copy and it's running well on two of my machines:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1689280/software/utorrent.exe

A few people talked about driveragent being good, but it's not free. However, I was told it was 30 to 40 dollars for up to 10 machines. If that's your thing, give it a try. I'm also told the free version will tell you which drivers you need, but will not download them automatically. Don't quote me on either of those things.

I'm sure people out here have good suggestions of audio converters. I don't personally have any, as I once again use GoldWave's batch converter most of the time. If I don't, I use the one built into Foobar2000, which also works well in certain cases.


Good luck. Feel free to share any discoveries you make as well.


Simon






On 2017-02-14 19:04, coffeekingms@... wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark












--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

It may be that the Chrome developers have to make changes.  They have made a lot of additions or changes to make the Windows version accessible.  That doesn't mean they have done so with other versions. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

hi

No worries, I removed all the unwanted bits. On the bright side, I absolutely love chrome! I haven't been this excited about a browser since I switched away from internet explorer and to firefox, about a year before I switched to linux this was. It's blindingly fast, even on sites that would slow firefox to a crawl. I tested on best buy and hsn, two of the worst sites with firefox and it worked like a charm. The only caveat is that if I ever do install linux again, I won't be able to use it because the linux screen reader, called orca, won't read chrome or chromium. Joanmeri diggs says she can't add it until google makes some changes to make it possible, although NVDA managed somehow. Don't tell her that though, I did that once and her reply was something like fine then, use windows lol.

Thanks   

Kendell Clark



On 2/15/2017 3:14 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Eek!  Sorry!  I haven't installed from scratch for awhile clearly and didn't remember that or I definitely would have warned you!

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed. Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is, it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

The program didn't used to include unwanted programs.  I didn't install it today but I was curious what was displayed in the preinstallation dialogs so I went through them up to the point where other programs were offered.  To the credit of the CDEX designers, you are clearly told that other programs will be installed, though not in that language.  The installer doesn't try to sneak the other programs by without you noticing as is often the case unless you are very carefull about reading all installation dialogs thoroughly.  But whatever means are offered to opt out are not seen by screen-readers.  I saw on the page where you download the program that a portable version is offered.  The portable, version, according to a comment I've seen on another list, doesn't include any potentially unwanted programs. Therefore, those wanting to use the newest version of CDEX may try the portable version.   
 
Gene
 
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 3:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

Eek!  Sorry!  I haven't installed from scratch for awhile clearly and didn't remember that or I definitely would have warned you!

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:51 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:

hi

Thanks for all your suggestions. I just installed the cdex software using the link you provided. As a warning to all of you, if you do install this software, you might need sighted help to uncheck the option to install recommended software, because there seems to be no accssible way to decline it. If you do install the cd ripper as it wants, you'll get the following additional software

avast antivirus

bite fence antimalware

chromium

advanced pc care

stack player

and your homepage will be set to yahoo web search in your default browser. I'm still puzzling over how to remove avast, since I can't seem to click or simulate a left click on the  uninstall button, NVDA can't seem to route the mouse pointer to the  uninstall button using the caps lock plus kp devide shortcut, but the others were easily removed. Despite all of this, I like cdex. I don't like the sneaky bundling of software, and I'm rather shocked that open source software would stoop to such a tactic. I'm not  annoyed at anyone hear though, I want to make that clear but at the extra installations. I am going to install chrome and try it out, since I did like chromium in the few minutes I played around with it.

Thanks

Kendell Clark



On 2/14/2017 9:32 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Welcome to Windows, and to the NVDA list!

CDex is a popular CD ripper: http://cdex.mu/  It looks up freedb and others (you can set the one you want).  I must admit I always just rip to MP3 so I haven't looked into other formats with it.  Just looking at the features, you can set it to use OGG, FLAC, AAC, WMA and other formats.

I'm not as familiar with downloading videos, or torrent programs I'm afraid.

I tend to steer clear of driver downloaders - you just don't know what they are downloading and I think most of them cause more problems than they solve.  Mostly I let Windows manage drivers and it does do this a lot more autonomously than it used to.  Sometimes it is worth double checking you are using the manufacturer's driver, though, particularly for audio and video drivers and in that case, I usually go to the manufacturer's website.

I'm not sure about that file error you're getting.  AMD will be your processor and sys means it's a system file, possibly a driver, as you seem to have guessed, but beyond that, I'm not sure.  Is anything happening immediately prior to it crashing?  I did a google search on the filename and got nothing (5 unrelated results) so whatever it is, it's evidently not overly common.

Speaking of the Chrome browser, you'll actually find that it works fairly well with NVDA if you do choose to install it.  The popular browser with NVDA has traditionally been Firefox, but it can be worth keeping Chrome around just for the odd website that works better with one than the other.  Internet Explorer still works and still comes with Windows, even Windows 10.  If you are on Windows 10, we do support the new browser "Edge", though personally, I'd still stick with one of the others for the most part.

If you are after a word processor that isn't Microsoft Office (MS Office works well with NVDA, but you asked about free), Jarte is a standalone one: http://www.jarte.com/  otherwise, LibreOffice is a full office suite: http://libreoffice.org/

If you used Audacity for audio editing on Linux, you'll find it is available for Windows as well: http://www.audacityteam.org/

I can't think of what else to recommend off the top of my head, but all the best with your migration and do let us know if you encounter anything else you need help or a recommendation on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:04 PM, coffeekingms@... <coffeekingms@...> wrote:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Gene
 

You mean convert to wave from a compressed cformat and then compress the wave file in another compressed format?  That accomplishes nothing.  You lose sound quality regardless of whether you first convert to wave.  All you are doing is producing a wave file with the compression characteristics in terms of the sound that were in the first compressed format.  Then you are compressing that file to another compressed format.  You loose the same amount of quality as though you simply converted from one compressed format to another.  If you really care about the audio and listen on good or reasonably good reproduction equipment, you should leave compressed files in their original compressed format. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2017 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections

I would suggest extracting to wav first.
winlame at http://winlame.sourceforge.net though quite old still works.
The codecs are not up to date but the conversion works for most things.



On 15/02/2017 5:09 p.m., Gene wrote:
> It appears you want to convert mp3 files into other formats.  If you convert mp3 into other compressed formats such as ogg, you are compressing one compressed format with another.  You will loose sound quality if you do so.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> hi all
>
> I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
> specifically sonar gnu linux,  to windows 10 full time. There are many
> reasons why  and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
> but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
> prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
> speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
> point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
> to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.
>
> A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
> if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
> since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
> rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
> mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
> Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
> possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
> and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
> manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
> files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
> and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
> may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
> software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
> last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
> spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
> I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
> I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
> Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
> torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
> fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
> these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
> screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
> driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
> Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
> nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
> want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
> own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
> say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
> with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
> pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
> extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
> good ways of avoiding these kinds  of things? I'm new to windows after
> being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
> user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.
>
> Thanks
>
> Kendell Clark
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

hi

My resignation from sonar was mostly due to one of our developers, kyle
brouhard, not the sonar community or the linux blind community itself.
He's one of those free software phanatics, although he does have an
android phone. Basically to shorten his opinion if it's not linux, it
sucks. No exceptions, whatsoever. And I was getting more and more
impressed with windows 10. I made the mistake of telling him and the
fights never stopped after that. I was not allowed to like windows,
microsoft is evil and people will realize that eventually and so on and
so on. I just couldn't take it anymore. I might come back to linux at
some point, but I need a nice long breather. I really like what
microsoft has done with windows 10, in particular the weather app, which
actually shows the weather for the very small town I live in, a small
town in east texas called grand saline, which the weather app in linux
couldn't find. The closest it got was 30 miles away. Also, there were
some problematic bits of hardware that did work in linux but needed some
packages which weren't part of most linux distros,and worked in windows.
I just got used to things working, and eventually said life's too short,
I want what works. This is *not* a linux bash fest, just one developer
trying to tell me what I was and was not allowed to like. I'll probably
get back into linux eventually, but in the meantime I want to sharpen my
open source skills and improve NVDA, if I ever get that far.

Thanks

Kendell Clark

On 2/15/2017 4:34 AM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Kendell,

Sorry to hear about your resignation from Sonar. Hope the situation
improves over time.

For ripping CDs, you can also use Foobar 2000, which is a music player
(though it extracts audio from videos, too).

There is a CLI version of youtube-dl that works on Windows too
(standalone .exe file).

For installing software with no other stuff, I suggest you take a look
at ninite.org , which will install the software you choose from their
selection of <100 programs. To update it, you just rerun the
installer. They even offer a section for accessible software, and
offer to install NVDA.

Also, you may like chocolatey.org . Chocolatey is a open source
(though it also offers pro versions)command-line package manager for
Windows. Be aware though: like in Linux, sometimes the software you
install with it may not be up to date (the NVDA there is from 2014 for
example). But it does an excellent job of not installing additional
things.

For Portable Applications, the most popular one is Portable Apps. You
can either download the platform and "install" the portable software
you want from there, or download the standalone portable apps.


Regards,

Sukil



El 15/02/2017 a las 4:04, coffeekingms@... escribió:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a
list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark







Re: nvda and spss

UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu
 

as far as I know. Yes it requires java acsess. I think When you
download it with jaws, it automaticly instol java access as well.
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2017-02-15 13:14 GMT+03:00, Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...>:

Does this software require Java, and as a result, the Java Access
Bridge, to be installed? Will have to check that out.

On 2/15/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
Sorry, I did see the other message on this after I posted my reply - they
didn't come up in the same thread for some reason.

Have you got a link to the software and I'll have a look?

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 3:13 PM, enes sarıbaş <enes.saribas@...>
wrote:

hi,

It does not work. I have tested. None of the controls in the interface,
or
the interface for that matter is accessible. Would it be possible for
you
to test this program to determine the issues.

On 2/15/2017 5:45 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi,

Off the top of my head, I don't know. I just did a quick search and
found
this forum thread (from 2013) noting that NVDA (at the time) worked with
SPSS better than Jaws. If SPSS still works with Jaws, I would hazard a
guess that it should still work with NVDA as well.

As NVDA is free to use, I would recommend downloading it and trying it.
You can download from here: https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

I'd be interested to hear how you find it with SPSS. Do please let us
know how you get on.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 2:26 AM, UMIT ERDEM Yigitoglu <
uyigitoglu@...> wrote:

Hello,
I was using spss (an statistical program for social sciences) with
jaws. I wandur if nvda works effectivey with spss?
Thank you in advance.




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www.nvaccess.org
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Re: new to windows, need help with software selections

Sukil Etxenike <sukiletxe@...>
 

Well, it is not detected by virustotal, nor by my local antivirus, and I've ran it four or five times.

El 15/02/2017 a las 11:34, Isaac escribió:
how do we know ninite.org is not spiware?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Sukil Etxenike via Groups.Io" <sukiletxe=yahoo.es@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2017 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] new to windows, need help with software selections


Hi Kendell,

Sorry to hear about your resignation from Sonar. Hope the situation improves over time.

For ripping CDs, you can also use Foobar 2000, which is a music player (though it extracts audio from videos, too).

There is a CLI version of youtube-dl that works on Windows too (standalone .exe file).

For installing software with no other stuff, I suggest you take a look at ninite.org , which will install the software you choose from their selection of <100 programs. To update it, you just rerun the installer. They even offer a section for accessible software, and offer to install NVDA.

Also, you may like chocolatey.org . Chocolatey is a open source (though it also offers pro versions)command-line package manager for Windows. Be aware though: like in Linux, sometimes the software you install with it may not be up to date (the NVDA there is from 2014 for example). But it does an excellent job of not installing additional things.

For Portable Applications, the most popular one is Portable Apps. You can either download the platform and "install" the portable software you want from there, or download the standalone portable apps.


Regards,

Sukil



El 15/02/2017 a las 4:04, coffeekingms@... escribió:
hi all

I'm a bit ashamed to say this, but I've just switched from linux,
specifically sonar gnu linux, to windows 10 full time. There are many
reasons why and I won't go into them hear since this is the wrong list,
but the windows blind community is just friendlier and much much less
prone to judge people based on what software they want to use, what
speech voice they want to use and so on. I was hoping you guys could
point me to some free as in price, and open source if possible, software
to do the things I've gotten used to doing in linux. I'll provide a list.

A cd ripper, preferably one that can look up info on cd databases, and
if such a thing exists, one that can look up data on audiobook cd's,
since the ones available for linux can't. It would be nice if it could
rip to opus or ogg vorbis files, preferably both, since I don't care for
mp3 and use free to use media formats like ogg or opus for everything.
Something that can download videos from youtube, entire playlists if
possible. I've found youtube dl gui for this, but it leaves the video
and audio tracks separate, instead of combining them so I have to
manuallt delete them. An audio converter, so I can convert mp3, m4b, etc
files into the formats I prefer to use. I've come across format factory
and already wrote about it hear, but it doesn't seem to handle opus so I
may need to use something else. I've just discovered kodi, the htpc
software. Can it handle using services such as spotify, pandora and
last.fm? I don't use any of these yet, but I'd like to start, assuming
spotify and pandora are still free to use. Accessible torrent software.
I've been usint q bittorrent, and it is usable but not very accessible.
I want torrent software for legal things, not the pirate bay and such.
Even though I'm no longer using sonar I still want to support it's
torrent seeds, as well as other linux distro torrents such as vinux and
fedora. Is there a good free program to keep drivers up to date? If
these are still needed. My computer is experiencing frequent bugcheck
screens from something called amdkfb.sys, and I thought maybe a free
driver updater would download an updated driver that would fix it.
Something that doesn't nag you to upgrade to a pro version would be
nice, and that can be run portable would be even better, but I don't
want to be picky. I'm only asking for all of these instead of doing my
own research because I'm frequently lead around in circles. Sites that
say a piece of software is free, when what they mean is free but comes
with extra stuff, free trial, or not free at all and they want you to
pay for it. Driver updaters that aren't accessible and often install
extras, such as pc care, pc cleaners, and the chrome browser. Are there
good ways of avoiding these kinds of things? I'm new to windows after
being in linux for five years so I might as well be a first time windows
user. Thanks for any help, I'll try not to ask for this much help again.

Thanks

Kendell Clark