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Re: skype is getting a remake <sigh>

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Even before Microsoft took it on though they have a track record of fixing one thing then screwing up something else. If its the same team doing the work there is obviously not enough QA going on since its free then I guess they assume you get what you pay for. If there was a garanteed accessible messaging system with audio then I'd not be too worried about the cost as long as it was a once only payment. I do not like this rental lark people are trying to force downour throats recently.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:12 PM
Subject: [nvda] skype is getting a remake <sigh>


Hi look at this

https://blogs.skype.com/news/2017/08/17/hello-desktops-meet-skype-preview/

So they keep skype classic but are remaking it which means for problems for us blinks I think anyway.

I am not sure about skype win10 the last time I used uwp skype I couldn't get much out of it so use skype classic instead which works.

Actually only half of it works, the home pane with the adds and other conversations is a real mess and once you are in it keys and hotkeys don't work at all.

If I didn't need skype for chats and phonecalls for international use as well as tech support I'd probably just quit the messenger scene completely.

Now this new one is coming up.

In the latest update I have had to find a combo box which does not always reed or perform right and make it so I can see all messages instead of well reading and having all the contacts messages dissapear on me.

Its in preview, I'd really like microsoft to fix its stuff first to be honest.

But if you don't want to, I'd like you to not make it more messy than it allready is.

If skype was not a big part of my job, life and the way I get things done I'd have screwed it just like a lot of the other messenging services.

I swear if skype gets any worse I will have to find another way to call, ie racking up huge phone bills or something.

I swear skype accessability has dropped a bit, as long as you stay in the accessible ariea then its fine but I swear its dropped.




using nvda with winrar

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I've mentioned winrar on this list before, but I've also seen posts in the past where folks claimed winrar wasn't accessible, so here's an article I wrote to explain how to use winrar with NVDA. There is an html version located at http://www.softcon.com/files/winrar.html

and the text version is pasted in below.

Hope folks find it useful.


Using NVDA with winrar

Winrar is a completely accessible file archiver similar to winzip or 7zip, created by rarlabs
(http://www.rarlab.com). The difference is that it not only handles rar archives, but it can be used as a
general file explorer program, too, and that is what this article will focus on.
When you launch winrar, you are presented with a general file view similar to windows explorer. By
default though, winrar offers more information than windows explorer does, and this is primarily the
reason I like it. I know explorer can be adjusted to show more information, and winrar can also be
adjusted to show less information as well by unchecking details in the settings menu on the file list tab,
though I like it the way it is by default.
Winrar will also start up using the same directory you were last viewing when it starts, though this is
configurable via the settings menu. I personally like this option, since it allows me to leave winrar in
a directory I use often, and know it will start there next time I run it.
You can also add favorites to winrar, and even scan programs for viruses using any installed virus
scanners already on your system. It's quite the versatile program, and the fact that it's 100 percent
accessible is simply a huge plus.

Just like explorer, you'll have all the items on your computer, cd drives, hard disks, and any usb drives
you've plugged in, as well as any network shares you've mounted.
Navigating winrar is as simple as using the arrow keys as well as page up and page down to move up and
down the list of files. First letter navigation is also possible, just press any letter of your choice,
and winrar will jump to the first file/directory with that letter. Pressing it again will move to the
next one in line and so on.
When you get to a directory or archive file you want to navigate into, simply press the enter key, and the
view changes to the new directory.
To get back out of the directory you're currently browsing, you can either scroll to the top of the list,
then press enter on the two dots there (this means parent directory), or you can simply use the control-
pageup key to get back much more quickly).
By default, directories are listed first, then files (sorted by extension) with archive files being listed
first. This means that if you have multiple files with the same name, but different extensions, they will
show up in different parts of the list. I like this arrangement, but if you don't, it's possible to
change this behavior by changing the sort order via the menus.

Winrar will launch programs (just like windows explorer), load text or doc files into word or notepad, or
open pdf files using adobe, just like windows explorer does, but the real power of winrar becomes apparent
when you get to an archive you want to manipulate.

When you find an archive file you'd like to view, simply press enter on it, and winrar will treat the file
just like it's a directory on the disk, allowing you to use the archive file (zip, rar, arj, 7z, and so
on) exactly as if it were just another directory on the drive, even to the point of viewing documentation,
and executing programs. The problem though is that if you use this method to run an executable, it may or
may not work, depending on the program, and how it handles it's data files (if any), because of being
executed from within the archive. Winrar will execute programs not inside archives just fine.
Winrar will allow you to extract a text or doc file, edit that file, then resave it back into the archive
when you're done, which makes for some handy disk usage savings.

In most cases though, when you're working with archive files, you will want to extract those archives so
that you can work with them or install the programs, or whatever it is you want to do, and lucky for us,
winrar has lots of ways to do this.
One of the reasons winrar is so accessible, is because it has keystrokes for nearly every function you'd
ever want to perform. For example, extracting an archive is alt-E or alt-W (depending on whether you wish
to specify where it is extracted to or not), and creating an archive from the currently highlighted
directory or file is alt-A.
alt-T will test an archive, alt-R will perform recovery on an archive, and many many more. In fact, you
can accomplish nearly everything you need to do using just key combinations, it's almost never necessary
to use mouse or screen reader functions to accomplish what you need.

So, just for tutorial purposes, let's create an archive, and lock the archive against tampering. (note,
locking archives is only available in the registered version).
First, we'll select a directory. Any directory will do, I'm going to use my documents directory for this
example, but this will work for any directory you like.
First, navigate to your documents directory, then press enter to enter the directory. Verify that this is
the directory we want. Once you've convinced yourself that you're in the right place, winrar has a nice
keystroke that will take you back to the directory so you don't have to page/arrow up to the top, then
press enter to get out of the directory, and that is control-pageUp.
Once you're back on the documents directory, just press alt-A (or use the applications key, and select add
to archive).
Winrar will prompt you for the archive name, which will default to documents.rar.
Now, at this point, press tab and you can work your way through all the various options for creating your
archive. You can select the archive type (rar, rar version 5, and zip are the defaults). Yes, rar can
create zip files too.
Rar5 is the new archive type for rar, which is not compatible with earlier versions of rar, so if you or
whoever receives the file doesn't have winrar version 5 or later, they won't be able to uncompress the
file. This may or may not be what you want, depending on how security conscious you are, so feel free to
choose whatever option you like, as long as you know the possible down sides to selecting them.

The next option is the type of archive. I won't go into detail here, but real quick, the options are:
store, fastest, fast, normal, good and best.
In general, these options range from no compression at all, to give me the most compression you can, so
that my archive is as small as possible. Each option takes more memory, and longer to execute.
The next option is dictionary size, and without getting into a lot of technical details which most people
don't care about, the dictionary size determines how effective rar will be when compressing data, if it
finds duplicate data in the each block, it can compress it better, so in general, the larger the block,
the better the compression, with the trade off that the larger the dictionary, the longer it will take to
actually do the compressing, because it has more data to search through each time it wants to compress a
new piece of data.
It's generally best to leave the defaults here (on my machine using best compression, it's 4 megabyte
blocks), but that will vary depending on compression type, and other factors.
the next two tabs are an option to split your archive into specific sizes. For example, if you're
compressing a large video file that is several hundred gigabytes, and you only have 4 gigabyte dvd disks
to save it on, rar can split the file into multiple chunks, so that you can copy each individual chunk to
a different disk and store it that way, or if you are trying to upload a file to dropbox or some other
online file storage system, and they have a file size restriction, winrar can solve that problem for you
by making the archive the exact size you need, and splitting it into multiple files.
The first one asks you the size, and the second one asks whether you specified the size in bytes,
kilobytes, megabytes, or gigabytes. So, if you are using the split option, this gives you a way to
designate the archive size precisely so you won't have any confusion over the actual archive sizes.

The next set of options are various options that will affect either the archive, or the files you're
archiving. You have options such as:
delete files after archiving, (good for saving space on your hard drive on low resource pcs),
Create a self extracting archive, (this means that your rar file will be turned into an executable so that
people who don't have rar can still extract your archive).
Create solid archive, (Usually this option compresses better at the expense of time)
Add recovery record (this makes your archives a bit larger, but allows them to still extract properly,
even if the archive gets damaged)
test archive files (ensures the files were compressed properly, generally not needed unless you're
archiving from unstable media)
Lock archive (Allows the archive to be locked against changes of any kind after it's created)
and finally
set password (allows you to password protect the archive)

After you've configured your new archive the way you want it, tab to the ok button, and away it goes.

While the archiving is taking place, winrar will present you with three buttons, Background (which will
move winrar to the system tray, and remove it from the alt-tab sequence; and the other buttons are Pause
archiving, and cancel.

When the archiving is complete, you will now have a new file in the current directory with the name you
selected in the previous step, and if you selected background, winrar will then reappear in the alt-tab
sequence, and also show you any errors it encountered during the archiving process.
(note, this is the only inaccessible part of winrar, for some reason, the view used to show errors isn't
accessible to NVDA, but you can use the log function to see any errors.)

That's all there is to it. Winrar is easy to use, and has some very nice features that make it a great
general file viewer, as well as an excellent archive maintainer.
If you'd like to get a complete list of winrar functions and settings, F-10 will do it, it presents you
with a nice organized multitab settings view that allows you to view or change virtually everything about
winrar and how it works.

Below are a list of the more common functions and their key combinations. These key combinations are
usually available from anywhere, though occasionally, they will work when winrar is in particular modes
(for example, the extract archive obviously won't work if you're not looking at an archive file).
Most of these functions are also available using the applications (or context if you prefer) key which is
the one on the right side of the space bar between the alt and control keys on most windows keyboards.

Delete file : delete
rename file : F2
menu : F10
Print file : control-i
Settings : control-s
Change drive : control-d
set password : control-p

Add files to archive : alt-a
Extract to specified directory : alt-e
extract without confirmation : alt-w
Lock archive : alt-l
add comment to archive : alt-m
Repair archive : alt-r
protect archive : alt-p
Test archive : alt-t
show information : alt-i
View file : alt-v

If you forget any of these keys, you can use the menus to find the options you want. (of which F10 is
only the master menu key)

alt-f : file menu
alt-c : commands menu
alt-s : tools menu
alt-o : favorites
alt-n : options
alt-h : help

Some functions are only available in the registered version, but since I've been a registered rar user for
many years now, I have no idea which functions aren't present in the non registered version.
I realize this was a rather quick and dirty examination of winrar functions, but I hope it was enough to
convince you that winrar is well worth taking a look see to verify for yourself whether it can handle your
file browsing and archiving needs.
If there are questions, or comments, feel free to send them to me, and I'd be glad to update this article
with modifications and additional information that folks would like to see.
Feel free to repost this article where you like, as long as you give credit to me (Travis Siegel) as the
originator.


Re: the windows 1 core voices are very slow

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Several people seem to be saying this. Do they speed up if you use them in Narrator?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "brian" <sackriderbrian45@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, August 18, 2017 2:50 AM
Subject: [nvda] the windows 1 core voices are very slow


I only have 3 voices in the windows 1 core and they are very slow I tried setting the rate to 100 and the voices are much slower than 80 on the api voices. They also have a very waver to them. Sounds like a flutter. The 3 voices that I have are David, Sera thats what it sounds like and Mark but no George. I will stick to the api voices.

Brian Sackrider



Re: 2017.3 RC1

Ashley Wayne
 

Ahh thank you.  I should have thought to look at the user guide, my apologies.

 

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From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

For other options, you would need to download the speech packages from Microsoft Web site.

This is taken directly from the user guide:

13.5. Windows OneCore Voices

Windows 10 includes new voices known as "OneCore" or "mobile" voices. Voices are provided for many languages, and they are more responsive than the Microsoft voices available using Microsoft Speech API version 5.

Please see this Microsoft article for a list of available voices and instructions to install them: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22797/windows-10-narrator-tts-voices

Please note that the faster rates available with Narrator are not currently available with NVDA. Also, the speed you select in the Windows Settings affects the rate set in NVDA. These are issues we cannot resolve without changes to Windows. We are hopeful that these will be addressed in a future Windows update.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

I wish I had that many voice options lol.  For the OneCore voices I only have david, cira and mark.  I am liking david but other choices would be nice.

 

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From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Ok looking at mine:

 

If I set the Synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API Version 5.  In the Voice Settings I can choose:

- Microsoft David Desktop

- Microsoft Hazel Desktop

- Microsoft Zira Desktop

 

If I set the synthesizer to Windows OneCore Voices, I can go to Voice Settings and choose between:

- Microsoft David

- Microsoft George

- Microsoft Hazel

- Microsoft Susan

- Microsoft Catherine

- Microsoft Zira

- Microsoft Mark

- Microsoft James

 

The OneCore voices weren't available in 2017.2.  They have been in Next and Master builds for a little while.  I don't think Microsoft have changed the voices available in Windows 10 lately, but I'm running a fast insider build and I have English US, English Australian and possibly English UK languages installed with the appropriate speech packs.


Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

    Thats what I did and as I said there is only the one new voice mark.

Brian Sackrider

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/17/2017 8:11 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

If you are on Windows 10, to get the new OneCore voices, open the synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s (or from NVDA's preferences menu) and select "Microsoft OneCore voices" rather than "Microsoft Speech API version 5".

 

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:06 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

        I down loaded nvda 2017.3 and I noticed that the only new voice is Mark and when I set my speed to 80 thats the speed that I use it was not as fast as normally is. I did read the what's new and I did not hear really anything very earth shaking to me. So far I have not incounteredany problems.

Brian Sackrider 

 

On 8/17/2017 10:37 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:

Hello, you can download it from here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3rc1/nvda_2017.3rc1.exe

 

Trimis din Mail pentru Windows 10

 

De la: Don H
Trimis: joi, 17 august 2017 16:44
Către: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subiect: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Where do I go to get NVDA 2017.3 RC1?

 

 



 

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Re: New Member

 

hi.
welcome to you the new users in the list.
i hope that you are comfortable here, many people i found here very
helpful and kind beyond my expectation.
we are here to help each others and teach others useful things.
i only use nvda screen reader, its extremely easier than jaws,
i am grateful to God, also to nvda developers and supporters, pray for
them sincerely every day.

On 8/18/17, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Geno,



Welcome to the list. I've been using NVDA full-time since 2011 and I love
it. I use it for everything from shopping for groceries online to listening
to favorite music stations on the internet. I hope you'll enjoy your stay
with us and gain lots of useful information.



Rosemarie







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Geno
Stone
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] New Member



I am Geno Stone in Portland, Maine. I use a combo of Jaws 18 and the latest
up-grade to NVDA. Love it as a great back-up for me. My friend in Germany
is
trying to and maybe one day to switch and go all the way NVDA. Thank-you
for
accepting me as a member here. Smiles, Geno



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Re: 2017.3 RC1

Andre Fisher
 

For other options, you would need to download the speech packages from Microsoft Web site.

This is taken directly from the user guide:

13.5. Windows OneCore Voices

Windows 10 includes new voices known as "OneCore" or "mobile" voices. Voices are provided for many languages, and they are more responsive than the Microsoft voices available using Microsoft Speech API version 5.

Please see this Microsoft article for a list of available voices and instructions to install them: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/22797/windows-10-narrator-tts-voices

Please note that the faster rates available with Narrator are not currently available with NVDA. Also, the speed you select in the Windows Settings affects the rate set in NVDA. These are issues we cannot resolve without changes to Windows. We are hopeful that these will be addressed in a future Windows update.

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Ashley Wayne
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 7:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

I wish I had that many voice options lol.  For the OneCore voices I only have david, cira and mark.  I am liking david but other choices would be nice.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Ok looking at mine:

 

If I set the Synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API Version 5.  In the Voice Settings I can choose:

- Microsoft David Desktop

- Microsoft Hazel Desktop

- Microsoft Zira Desktop

 

If I set the synthesizer to Windows OneCore Voices, I can go to Voice Settings and choose between:

- Microsoft David

- Microsoft George

- Microsoft Hazel

- Microsoft Susan

- Microsoft Catherine

- Microsoft Zira

- Microsoft Mark

- Microsoft James

 

The OneCore voices weren't available in 2017.2.  They have been in Next and Master builds for a little while.  I don't think Microsoft have changed the voices available in Windows 10 lately, but I'm running a fast insider build and I have English US, English Australian and possibly English UK languages installed with the appropriate speech packs.


Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

    Thats what I did and as I said there is only the one new voice mark.

Brian Sackrider

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/17/2017 8:11 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

If you are on Windows 10, to get the new OneCore voices, open the synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s (or from NVDA's preferences menu) and select "Microsoft OneCore voices" rather than "Microsoft Speech API version 5".

 

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:06 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

        I down loaded nvda 2017.3 and I noticed that the only new voice is Mark and when I set my speed to 80 thats the speed that I use it was not as fast as normally is. I did read the what's new and I did not hear really anything very earth shaking to me. So far I have not incounteredany problems.

Brian Sackrider 

 

On 8/17/2017 10:37 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:

Hello, you can download it from here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3rc1/nvda_2017.3rc1.exe

 

Trimis din Mail pentru Windows 10

 

De la: Don H
Trimis: joi, 17 august 2017 16:44
Către: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subiect: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Where do I go to get NVDA 2017.3 RC1?

 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 

 


Re: 2017.3 RC1

Quentin Christensen
 

The OneCore voices are only included with Windows 10 (just as the new OCR functionality is).

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:51 AM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
do non windows ten users see windows one core voices in there
synthesizer settings or not?
thanks so much for your great screen reader and God bless you!

On 8/18/17, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:
>      Yes but they are the same that are in the microsoft api selection.
>
> Brian Sackrider
>
>
> On 8/17/2017 9:18 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Brian,
>>
>> There are two other voices besides Mark. You just have to go to the
>> voice setting with NVDA control V to find them.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Rosemarie
>>
>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>> *brian
>> *Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:07 PM
>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> *Subject:* Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1
>>
>>         I down loaded nvda 2017.3 and I noticed that the only new
>> voice is Mark and when I set my speed to 80 thats the speed that I use
>> it was not as fast as normally is. I did read the what's new and I did
>> not hear really anything very earth shaking to me. So far I have not
>> incounteredany problems.
>>
>> Brian Sackrider
>>
>> On 8/17/2017 10:37 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:
>>
>>     Hello, you can download it from here.
>>
>> https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3rc1/nvda_2017.3rc1.exe
>>
>>     Trimis din Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>>     pentru Windows 10
>>
>>     *De la: *Don H <mailto:lmddh50@...>
>>     *Trimis: *joi, 17 august 2017 16:44
>>     *Către: *nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>     *Subiect: *[nvda] 2017.3 RC1
>>
>>     Where do I go to get NVDA 2017.3 RC1?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>


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Re: the windows 1 core voices are very slow

 

Hi,
This will change in a future Windows 10 release, but until NVDA gets to use the new features, one can work around this by going to Settings/Ease of access and changing voice rate that way.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] the windows 1 core voices are very slow

I only have 3 voices in the windows 1 core and they are very slow I tried setting the rate to 100 and the voices are much slower than 80 on the api voices. They also have a very waver to them. Sounds like a flutter. The 3 voices that I have are David, Sera thats what it sounds like and Mark but no George. I will stick to the api voices.

Brian Sackrider


Re: 2017.3 RC1

 

hi quentin.
do non windows ten users see windows one core voices in there
synthesizer settings or not?
thanks so much for your great screen reader and God bless you!

On 8/18/17, brian <sackriderbrian45@gmail.com> wrote:
Yes but they are the same that are in the microsoft api selection.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/17/2017 9:18 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

There are two other voices besides Mark. You just have to go to the
voice setting with NVDA control V to find them.

Hope this helps.

Rosemarie

*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
*brian
*Sent:* Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:07 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

I down loaded nvda 2017.3 and I noticed that the only new
voice is Mark and when I set my speed to 80 thats the speed that I use
it was not as fast as normally is. I did read the what's new and I did
not hear really anything very earth shaking to me. So far I have not
incounteredany problems.

Brian Sackrider

On 8/17/2017 10:37 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:

Hello, you can download it from here.

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3rc1/nvda_2017.3rc1.exe

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*Subiect: *[nvda] 2017.3 RC1

Where do I go to get NVDA 2017.3 RC1?




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the windows 1 core voices are very slow

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

I only have 3 voices in the windows 1 core and they are very slow I tried setting the rate to 100 and the voices are much slower than 80 on the api voices. They also have a very waver to them. Sounds like a flutter. The 3 voices that I have are David, Sera thats what it sounds like and Mark but no George. I will stick to the api voices.

Brian Sackrider


Re: dictation bridge question.

Pranav Lal
 

Hi Ken,

 

dictationBridge has no connection to cortana. You need to go to the windows control panel and start speech-recognition from there.

Hit ctrl+escape to get to the search box and then type windows speech-recognition one of the search results should be windows speech recognition desktop app. Activate that and hen follow the prompts.

 

Pranav


Re: Cutting and pasting from wordpad to word in various modes

Gene
 

The real question is, to what extent should NVDA developers and/or users provide Windows training.  Keyboard shortcuts that don't teach Windows would be next to worthless unless the user already knew something about Windows and I see no reason that Windows teaching material should be in the manual.  but should it be provided and by whom? 
 
Meantime, my point about one instance, not more, is getting lost in the discussion.
 
If there were a systray dialog, that would be taught because it would be an NVDA feature and would be a part of NVdA.  Yet when this feature is not provided two or three paragraphs describing how to use the system tray when the traditional dialog is not provided aren't included in the manual because there is no systray dialog any more and it is a Windows function.  A catch 22 if I ever saw one.
 
Gene
----- origianal Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cutting and pasting from wordpad to word in various modes

Brian,

I think you are absolutely correct.  I'd be happy to put together a one page "Essential Windows keystrokes every user should know" document today.... Except, who can decide on exactly which ones those are?  Even starting that program you use every day can be done (depending on your setup):
- From a start menu search
- From a start menu item (or tile, depending on your Windows version)
- From a desktop icon
- From a taskbar quick launch item
- From a keystroke

I could spend a page going through just the keystrokes for all those, but it would be overkill to show most users more than one way to do most tasks - but which one?

Rui just mentioned that it is important for people to know how to select non-contiguous files.  Getting into File Explorer and selecting one or several adjacent files is enough of a task for many users before throwing non-contiguous files into the mix (I'm not saying it's not important, just that it isn't one of the first tasks that would have jumped to my mind in preparing such a paper).

And when creating such a key concepts document, is a basic list of keystrokes enough?  When showing someone who is learning the basics like this, they often need a bit more guidance, which might be why new users aren't quick to dive into the User Guide (not just for NVDA), but to write a more in-depth guide makes it longer so covering just the key elements would be even more important...


On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 04:13 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Just on your point about the system tray commands needing to be taught, I agree that people should know them, however exactly where to cover them is the issue.  They are not NVDA commands, therefore are not suitable to be put in the NVDA User Guide.  They do get a mention in the Basic Training for NVDA module since that does walk the user through learning how to use the computer as a whole with NVDA.
Quentin,

         Now I'm going to do one of my rare instances of having one foot on both sides of the fence.   As a screen-reader tutor for many years now it has been a constant battle to teach the actual field counselors who contract me that it is, literally, not possible to teach "how to use a screen reader" unless one is using a screen reader to do something that we who can see do with some program we use to do it.   A screen reader is a tool that has no useful function if it is not being used to manipulate something else.  Thus, in order to teach people how to use a screen reader you must, at the same time, be teaching (or re-teaching) them how to do the "something else" they do with it.

         But, and it's an important but, no one should expect the documentation for a screen reader to address every possible eventuality as far as using Windows goes.  In my own tutorial on using the ribbon interface in Windows via the keyboard (and, of course, with the presumption of a screen reader running) I cover it only for Windows Explorer and explicitly state that the principles discussed there apply to any program using a ribbon interface, because they do.  The point is to teach how to explore other stuff independently, not to cover every eventuality.

          Just as I have posted step-by-step instructions I've written for screen reader users on sites not focused on same, expecting that when I say something like, "ALT+T,R to open the Tools menu, References Dialog" a sighted user knows that means, "Click on the Tools menu and choose the References item," I conversely should be able to expect a screen reader user who is not entirely new to the game to read instructions written for the sighted and understand how those convert over to screen reader and/or Windows keystrokes.  I have gotten a lot more static for that latter presumption than I've ever gotten for the former, and if one does not know it's not impossible, or even all that difficult, to research the answer.  Most sighted users have no idea of anything beyond a few keyboard commands, if that.  But the idea that "click on" means "activate" is much more direct.

           You are correct that no documentation for any screen reader could or should cover every possible thing you do with Windows.  The really odd stuff that any of us use very infrequently, if at all, should be expected to require personal research regardless of one's ability to see or not.
 
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Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Sally, Gene and others,
Please add me to the list too. I have no experience with Python, but
limited experience with HTML and Robot C. I would be eager to be part
of such a group, whenever one is formed.
Thanks.

On 8/18/17, David Goldfield <david.goldfield@outlook.com> wrote:
I am also interested in joining a community of beginners to Python.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist Feel free to visit my Web
site WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info<http://WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info>
On 8/17/2017 1:39 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello,

Alright then.

We will wait on a decision for the NVDA group and I will compile interested
people by next week.

Once those two things are done, we can look at materials for learning.

Some things have already been suggested on this thread and we can discuss
more once we have our own space that doesn't fill others inboxes.

Thanks again!
Sally

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I have asked Gene if we can have a subgroup for beginning devs.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Sally
Kiebdaj
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:31 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hello all,
sorry to respond only daily.
I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to
organize into a headcount.
As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming
background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also
want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.
We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the
experienced people have a programming background but are learning python
along with us and others have both programming and python experience.
To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle as
screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and eventually
contribute to NVDA.
Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a
poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my default
but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be easier
for collaborative learning.
Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating
background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly
want to take this lead.
I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope
described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed
interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by
then, if it is not me.
Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.
Cheers,
Sally

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L
<dennisl1982@gmail.com<mailto:dennisl1982@gmail.com>> wrote:
Is that we subscribe?


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

Hi,
I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete
email address being
nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io<mailto:nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io> with
subject tag of nvda-beginningdevs.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I see no reason that the list owner would object. Unless there is an
objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today. I haven't done this
before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't
expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out. What,
Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup? I'm asking
because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach
python in a context of NVDA development.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: John J. Boyer<mailto:john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list shouldn't
be encumbered with questions from newbies
in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate
list.

John

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
Hi Joseph:

Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning
Python? Or should we create a separate list?

Thanks,

Hector
On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee
<joseph.lee22590@gmail.com<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi,
The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at SourceForge).
I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning
something new.

On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar
<nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>> wrote:
hi.
i wish that learn python too.
here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@gmail.com<mailto:fiddle.pup@gmail.com>>

On 8/17/17, Hector Elias
<hmelias09@gmail.com<mailto:hmelias09@gmail.com>> wrote:
Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
directly.

Hector
On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias
<hmelias09@gmail.com<mailto:hmelias09@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello:

I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in a
few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you might
have missed a certain punctuation mark.

Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?

Thanks,

hector Elias
On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj
<fiddle.pup@gmail.com<mailto:fiddle.pup@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Hello all,


Thank you for the copious advice!


In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
both versions of their introduction to computer science course
taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a syntax
error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
hand for when we bog down.


If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy to
facilitate communication and coordination off list.


I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
programming tutorials.


So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
group with me.


Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.


Regards,

Sally


On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no familiarity
with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
the ground up.

John

On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:
Hi,

as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest
you:
https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ (
https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
)
there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
begin to know how to programing.

warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
yourself a lot.

hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
previous message.

regards, Jožef








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Re: 2017.3 RC1

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

    Yes but they are the same that are in the microsoft api selection.

Brian Sackrider


On 8/17/2017 9:18 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

 

There are two other voices besides Mark. You just have to go to the voice setting with NVDA control V to find them.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

        I down loaded nvda 2017.3 and I noticed that the only new voice is Mark and when I set my speed to 80 thats the speed that I use it was not as fast as normally is. I did read the what's new and I did not hear really anything very earth shaking to me. So far I have not incounteredany problems.

Brian Sackrider 

 

On 8/17/2017 10:37 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:

Hello, you can download it from here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3rc1/nvda_2017.3rc1.exe

 

Trimis din Mail pentru Windows 10

 

De la: Don H
Trimis: joi, 17 august 2017 16:44
Către: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subiect: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Where do I go to get NVDA 2017.3 RC1?




 

 



Re: Cutting and pasting from wordpad to word in various modes

Quentin Christensen
 

Brian,

I think you are absolutely correct.  I'd be happy to put together a one page "Essential Windows keystrokes every user should know" document today.... Except, who can decide on exactly which ones those are?  Even starting that program you use every day can be done (depending on your setup):
- From a start menu search
- From a start menu item (or tile, depending on your Windows version)
- From a desktop icon
- From a taskbar quick launch item
- From a keystroke

I could spend a page going through just the keystrokes for all those, but it would be overkill to show most users more than one way to do most tasks - but which one?

Rui just mentioned that it is important for people to know how to select non-contiguous files.  Getting into File Explorer and selecting one or several adjacent files is enough of a task for many users before throwing non-contiguous files into the mix (I'm not saying it's not important, just that it isn't one of the first tasks that would have jumped to my mind in preparing such a paper).

And when creating such a key concepts document, is a basic list of keystrokes enough?  When showing someone who is learning the basics like this, they often need a bit more guidance, which might be why new users aren't quick to dive into the User Guide (not just for NVDA), but to write a more in-depth guide makes it longer so covering just the key elements would be even more important...


On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 11:04 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 04:13 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Just on your point about the system tray commands needing to be taught, I agree that people should know them, however exactly where to cover them is the issue.  They are not NVDA commands, therefore are not suitable to be put in the NVDA User Guide.  They do get a mention in the Basic Training for NVDA module since that does walk the user through learning how to use the computer as a whole with NVDA.
Quentin,

         Now I'm going to do one of my rare instances of having one foot on both sides of the fence.   As a screen-reader tutor for many years now it has been a constant battle to teach the actual field counselors who contract me that it is, literally, not possible to teach "how to use a screen reader" unless one is using a screen reader to do something that we who can see do with some program we use to do it.   A screen reader is a tool that has no useful function if it is not being used to manipulate something else.  Thus, in order to teach people how to use a screen reader you must, at the same time, be teaching (or re-teaching) them how to do the "something else" they do with it.

         But, and it's an important but, no one should expect the documentation for a screen reader to address every possible eventuality as far as using Windows goes.  In my own tutorial on using the ribbon interface in Windows via the keyboard (and, of course, with the presumption of a screen reader running) I cover it only for Windows Explorer and explicitly state that the principles discussed there apply to any program using a ribbon interface, because they do.  The point is to teach how to explore other stuff independently, not to cover every eventuality.

          Just as I have posted step-by-step instructions I've written for screen reader users on sites not focused on same, expecting that when I say something like, "ALT+T,R to open the Tools menu, References Dialog" a sighted user knows that means, "Click on the Tools menu and choose the References item," I conversely should be able to expect a screen reader user who is not entirely new to the game to read instructions written for the sighted and understand how those convert over to screen reader and/or Windows keystrokes.  I have gotten a lot more static for that latter presumption than I've ever gotten for the former, and if one does not know it's not impossible, or even all that difficult, to research the answer.  Most sighted users have no idea of anything beyond a few keyboard commands, if that.  But the idea that "click on" means "activate" is much more direct.

           You are correct that no documentation for any screen reader could or should cover every possible thing you do with Windows.  The really odd stuff that any of us use very infrequently, if at all, should be expected to require personal research regardless of one's ability to see or not.
 
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Re: 2017.3 RC1

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

There are two other voices besides Mark. You just have to go to the voice setting with NVDA control V to find them.

 

Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

        I down loaded nvda 2017.3 and I noticed that the only new voice is Mark and when I set my speed to 80 thats the speed that I use it was not as fast as normally is. I did read the what's new and I did not hear really anything very earth shaking to me. So far I have not incounteredany problems.

Brian Sackrider 

 

On 8/17/2017 10:37 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:

Hello, you can download it from here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3rc1/nvda_2017.3rc1.exe

 

Trimis din Mail pentru Windows 10

 

De la: Don H
Trimis: joi, 17 august 2017 16:44
Către: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subiect: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Where do I go to get NVDA 2017.3 RC1?




 

 


Re: 2017.3 RC1

Quentin Christensen
 

You can add new languages n the "Region and Language" settings (either type that into the start menu search or open Settings (WINDOWS+i) then "Time and Language" then "Region and language".

Go to "Add a language" on that page, then choose what you want to add.  Many languages have multiple options.  For instance, if you go to "English", you can choose English (Australia), English (Belize), English (Canada) etc.

I just added English (Canada) (and then went into the options for that and added the language pack, then the speech pack), and now I also have Microsoft Linda and Microsoft Richard in my OneCore voices.

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Ashley Wayne <a.r.wayne2008@...> wrote:

I wish I had that many voice options lol.  For the OneCore voices I only have david, cira and mark.  I am liking david but other choices would be nice.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Ok looking at mine:

 

If I set the Synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API Version 5.  In the Voice Settings I can choose:

- Microsoft David Desktop

- Microsoft Hazel Desktop

- Microsoft Zira Desktop

 

If I set the synthesizer to Windows OneCore Voices, I can go to Voice Settings and choose between:

- Microsoft David

- Microsoft George

- Microsoft Hazel

- Microsoft Susan

- Microsoft Catherine

- Microsoft Zira

- Microsoft Mark

- Microsoft James

 

The OneCore voices weren't available in 2017.2.  They have been in Next and Master builds for a little while.  I don't think Microsoft have changed the voices available in Windows 10 lately, but I'm running a fast insider build and I have English US, English Australian and possibly English UK languages installed with the appropriate speech packs.


Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

    Thats what I did and as I said there is only the one new voice mark.

Brian Sackrider

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/17/2017 8:11 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

If you are on Windows 10, to get the new OneCore voices, open the synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s (or from NVDA's preferences menu) and select "Microsoft OneCore voices" rather than "Microsoft Speech API version 5".

 

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:06 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

        I down loaded nvda 2017.3 and I noticed that the only new voice is Mark and when I set my speed to 80 thats the speed that I use it was not as fast as normally is. I did read the what's new and I did not hear really anything very earth shaking to me. So far I have not incounteredany problems.

Brian Sackrider 

 

On 8/17/2017 10:37 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:

Hello, you can download it from here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3rc1/nvda_2017.3rc1.exe

 

Trimis din Mail pentru Windows 10

 

De la: Don H
Trimis: joi, 17 august 2017 16:44
Către: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subiect: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Where do I go to get NVDA 2017.3 RC1?


 

 



 

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Re: 2017.3 RC1

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I have those voices too. It would be nice to have a few more voices.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ashley Wayne
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 5:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

I wish I had that many voice options lol.  For the OneCore voices I only have david, cira and mark.  I am liking david but other choices would be nice.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 6:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Ok looking at mine:

 

If I set the Synthesizer to Microsoft Speech API Version 5.  In the Voice Settings I can choose:

- Microsoft David Desktop

- Microsoft Hazel Desktop

- Microsoft Zira Desktop

 

If I set the synthesizer to Windows OneCore Voices, I can go to Voice Settings and choose between:

- Microsoft David

- Microsoft George

- Microsoft Hazel

- Microsoft Susan

- Microsoft Catherine

- Microsoft Zira

- Microsoft Mark

- Microsoft James

 

The OneCore voices weren't available in 2017.2.  They have been in Next and Master builds for a little while.  I don't think Microsoft have changed the voices available in Windows 10 lately, but I'm running a fast insider build and I have English US, English Australian and possibly English UK languages installed with the appropriate speech packs.


Regards


Quentin.

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:22 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

    Thats what I did and as I said there is only the one new voice mark.

Brian Sackrider

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/17/2017 8:11 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

If you are on Windows 10, to get the new OneCore voices, open the synthesizer dialog - NVDA+control+s (or from NVDA's preferences menu) and select "Microsoft OneCore voices" rather than "Microsoft Speech API version 5".

 

 

On Fri, Aug 18, 2017 at 10:06 AM, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:

        I down loaded nvda 2017.3 and I noticed that the only new voice is Mark and when I set my speed to 80 thats the speed that I use it was not as fast as normally is. I did read the what's new and I did not hear really anything very earth shaking to me. So far I have not incounteredany problems.

Brian Sackrider 

 

On 8/17/2017 10:37 AM, Florian Ionașcu wrote:

Hello, you can download it from here. https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/releases/2017.3rc1/nvda_2017.3rc1.exe

 

Trimis din Mail pentru Windows 10

 

De la: Don H
Trimis: joi, 17 august 2017 16:44
Către: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subiect: [nvda] 2017.3 RC1

 

Where do I go to get NVDA 2017.3 RC1?

 

 



 

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www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: Cutting and pasting from wordpad to word in various modes

 

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 04:13 pm, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Just on your point about the system tray commands needing to be taught, I agree that people should know them, however exactly where to cover them is the issue.  They are not NVDA commands, therefore are not suitable to be put in the NVDA User Guide.  They do get a mention in the Basic Training for NVDA module since that does walk the user through learning how to use the computer as a whole with NVDA.
Quentin,

         Now I'm going to do one of my rare instances of having one foot on both sides of the fence.   As a screen-reader tutor for many years now it has been a constant battle to teach the actual field counselors who contract me that it is, literally, not possible to teach "how to use a screen reader" unless one is using a screen reader to do something that we who can see do with some program we use to do it.   A screen reader is a tool that has no useful function if it is not being used to manipulate something else.  Thus, in order to teach people how to use a screen reader you must, at the same time, be teaching (or re-teaching) them how to do the "something else" they do with it.

         But, and it's an important but, no one should expect the documentation for a screen reader to address every possible eventuality as far as using Windows goes.  In my own tutorial on using the ribbon interface in Windows via the keyboard (and, of course, with the presumption of a screen reader running) I cover it only for Windows Explorer and explicitly state that the principles discussed there apply to any program using a ribbon interface, because they do.  The point is to teach how to explore other stuff independently, not to cover every eventuality.

          Just as I have posted step-by-step instructions I've written for screen reader users on sites not focused on same, expecting that when I say something like, "ALT+T,R to open the Tools menu, References Dialog" a sighted user knows that means, "Click on the Tools menu and choose the References item," I conversely should be able to expect a screen reader user who is not entirely new to the game to read instructions written for the sighted and understand how those convert over to screen reader and/or Windows keystrokes.  I have gotten a lot more static for that latter presumption than I've ever gotten for the former, and if one does not know it's not impossible, or even all that difficult, to research the answer.  Most sighted users have no idea of anything beyond a few keyboard commands, if that.  But the idea that "click on" means "activate" is much more direct.

           You are correct that no documentation for any screen reader could or should cover every possible thing you do with Windows.  The really odd stuff that any of us use very infrequently, if at all, should be expected to require personal research regardless of one's ability to see or not.
 
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Re: I am interested in programming for NVDA

David Goldfield
 

I am also interested in joining a community of beginners to Python.

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On 8/17/2017 1:39 PM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:
Hello,

Alright then.

We will wait on a decision for the NVDA group and I will compile interested people by next week.

Once those two things are done, we can look at materials for learning.

Some things have already been suggested on this thread and we can discuss more once we have our own space that doesn't fill others inboxes.

Thanks again!
Sally

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

I have asked Gene if we can have a subgroup for beginning devs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 10:31 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

Hello all,

sorry to respond only daily.

I have a nice mix of private and public messages now which I am happy to organize into a headcount.

As I understand our purpose, we are people with little or no programming background who want to learn programming through python. Some of us also want to eventually work on NVDA--provided we learn python successfully.

We are looking for some experience people to help coach. Some of the experienced people have a programming background but are learning python along with us and others have both programming and python experience.

To sum up, we are mostly starting from an intro to computer science angle as screen reader users who want to learn comp-sci through python and eventually contribute to NVDA.

Once I had a list of interested parties, I was going to email all to do a poll on how we want to communicate. google groups was going to be my default but there are also forums or other shared workspaces that might be easier for collaborative learning.

Although I do not have a programming background, I do have a coordinating background and am happy to be the organizing engine unless others strongly want to take this lead.

I defer to Joseph and others if an NVDA list is appropriate for the scope described above and will compile a list of people who have expressed interest by next week. I'll share that list with whomever is in charge by then, if it is not me.

Thanks all for the enthusiasm! It's good to get this idea off the ground.

Cheers,

Sally

 

On Thu, Aug 17, 2017 at 4:31 AM, Dennis L <dennisl1982@...> wrote:

Is that we subscribe?

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 2:55 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

Hi,

I propose “beginningdevs” as the name of the subgroup, with the complete email address being nvda+beginningdevs@groups.io with subject tag of nvda-beginningdevs.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 11:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

I see no reason that the list owner would object.  Unless there is an objection, I shall set up a new subgroup later today.  I haven't done this before and if I have any problems, I'll ask about them here but I don't expect to have problems or not any problems I can't figure out.  What, Michael Lee, is your suggestion for a name for the subgroup?  I'm asking because I'm not sure just what its purpose is, to teach Python or to teach python in a context of NVDA development. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2017 1:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA

 

I think a separate list is most apropriate. The developoment list shouldn't be encumbered with questions from newbies
in programming. That said, I am willing to act as a mentor for a separate list.

John

On Wed, Aug 16, 2017 at 09:02:59PM -0700, Hector Elias wrote:
> Hi Joseph:
>
> Is that an appropriate mailing list to conduct a discussion of learning Python? Or should we create a separate list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Hector
> > On Aug 16, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > The most appropriate list to join is nvda-devel (hosted at SourceForge). I'm not qualified to create a subgroup on this forum.
> > Cheers,
> > Joseph
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Lenron
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 8:55 PM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] I am interested in programming for NVDA
> >
> > I would be up to joining this list as well. Alsways up for learning something new.
> >
> > On 8/16/17, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
> >> hi.
> >> i wish that learn python too.
> >> here the email address of sally that you and james wanted.
> >> Sally Kiebdaj<fiddle.pup@...>
> >>
> >> On 8/17/17, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...> wrote:
> >>> Correction I was able to find the e-mail, and I have e-mailed Sally
> >>> directly.
> >>>
> >>> Hector
> >>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 6:58 PM, Hector Elias <hmelias09@...> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hello:
> >>>>
> >>>> I would be interested in joining this group. I have some Python
> >>>> experience, and will be taking a course at my community college in a
> >>>> few weeks. Syntax errors are usually caused because there is an
> >>>> error when using the code. I have seen those courses and I found
> >>>> that sometimes they would not describe the syntax correctly; which
> >>>> lead to miss typing the code. Python is case sensitive, or you might
> >>>> have missed a certain punctuation mark.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sally, your e-mail doesn't show up on this thread. I only see the
> >>>> mailing list address. Could you send us your e-mail?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks,
> >>>>
> >>>> hector Elias
> >>>>> On Aug 16, 2017, at 12:52 PM, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@...>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hello all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thank you for the copious advice!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the past, I tried MIT OpenCourseware and MITx 6.00 which are
> >>>>> both versions of their introduction to computer science course
> >>>>> taught in Python. I always ended up in the situation where
> >>>>> following the directions keystroke for keystroke generated a syntax
> >>>>> error and I had no one to ask for help. This is what I want to
> >>>>> avoid by having friends plugging away at it with me and experts on
> >>>>> hand for when we bog down.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If others are interested in finding a book/course and slogging
> >>>>> through it together, please reply to me privately and I am happy to
> >>>>> facilitate communication and coordination off list.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I would also be happy to work through any future NVDA specific
> >>>>> programming tutorials.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> So, drop me a line if you would like to plod through this in a
> >>>>> group with me.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hope to hear from some of you on this thread.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sally
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/13/2017 4:21 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
> >>>>>> You don't have to learn python the hard way. What you need is a
> >>>>>> tutorial that assumes no probramming experience and no familiarity
> >>>>>> with programming concepts. Manuals aren't it. They are for
> >>>>>> programmers learning a new language. What is needed is a turorial
> >>>>>> written by someone who has experience teaching programming from
> >>>>>> the ground up.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Sun, Aug 13, 2017 at 12:11:01PM -0700, J.G wrote:
> >>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> as I have written, beginners to programing should take a
> >>>>>>> tutorials/manuals, which are simple and explain python in plain
> >>>>>>> language so it can be understandable for all of us. I suggest you:
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/ (
> >>>>>>> https://learnpythonthehardway.org/
> >>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>> there are books, which can help you self-teaching coding. these
> >>>>>>> are divided in cca 50 section - exercises. through them you can
> >>>>>>> begin to know how to programing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> warning: if you really want to code, you will have to train
> >>>>>>> yourself a lot.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> hope this helps and that in this post I was clearer than in my
> >>>>>>> previous message.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> regards, Jožef
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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