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NVDA IS SLUGGISH

Heaven Botma <heaven@...>
 

Dear group

 

I have NVDA 2017.2, Windows 10, the Creators’ Update and MS Office 2010 on my laptop.  I have recently been experiencing the following problems:

 

When I type, NVDA has a lag. I have completed typing a word and NVDA is still spelling the word I have already typed.  This happens on the iinternet, in MS office or wherever I am.

 

The other problem is that when I try to open icons on the the desktop, or on the internet, NVDA is late in announcing things, so I enter on the wrong icon since the cursor is already on an icon ahead of the one NVDA announces.  Eg:  I have 3 icons starting with “t” on the desktop, “TW Blue”, “Tap In Radio” and “This PC”.  NVDA will announce “This PC” but the cursor is on “TW Blue”, therefore I open the wrong thing. 

 

I am using Speeech player in e-speak’s Edward voice as the synthesiser.

 

What can I do to solve this?

 

Kind regards

 

 


Re: Weather Plus Feature Request: More Fine Tuning

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I would like to have the option to use weather underground as a source to
get the weather from.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rob
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Weather Plus Feature Request: More Fine Tuning

I would like to see various pieces of information as their own check box
rather than putting it all under one category. Temperature, perceived
temperature, Barometric pressure, visibility, humidity should all be their
own check boxes.
This would allow for greater fine tuning of the weather report. So you could
only here temperature, perceived temperature, wind speed/direction and
humidity if so desired.


Re: multiple links on one line

 

hi.
also you can press nvda+n then p for preferences, find brows mode,
press space to uncheck use screen layout when supported and press okay
to confirm your setting.

On 7/31/17, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
Thanks that is just what I was looking for.


On 7/30/2017 2:39 PM, Gene wrote:
Use NVDA key v when on a web page to turn use screen layout off. The
command toggles between on and off. Off causes all links to be read
on separate lines. This should be the default and it probably causes a
lot of unnecessary confusion among new users that it isn't.
After you change this setting, use NVDA key control c to make sure the
setting is saved. The default is for NVDA to save changes on exit but
I don't know if you have changed the setting and the command I gave
will save the setting.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Don H <mailto:lmddh50@adams.net>
*Sent:* Sunday, July 30, 2017 2:33 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] multiple links on one line

Keep in mind that I am in the middle of trying to learn NVDA and Jaws at
the same time. I am using NVDA as my primary screen reader replacing
Window Eyes which I used for twenty years.

On some web pages I am finding links that are bunched together on one
line. Is there a way to get NVDA to read a web page as if each link is
on a separate line?

Thanks




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in the very authentic narration is:
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Re: some more help

 

hi sakina.
i am very glad that my guidance was helpful for you!
for cd dvd, i do the same which i do for ejecting flash.
use press application key when my external drive is focused and find
eject and press enter.
and i think that windows+b or for addons users nvda+f11 should works.
i am realy very glad to recieved your message and could help you.
also my real name is zahra.
i wish that all people call my real name.

On 7/31/17, Arlene <nedster66@gmail.com> wrote:
Moast computers have a cd button you hit the ddrive opens by itself. Once
gently hit. It closes by itself.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony
Ballou
Sent: July-30-17 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some more help



Hi Sakina,



In all of my years of being around these things and that's plenty of them
grins, to my knowledge, there has never been a command for closing a CD-Rom
drive with a shortcut key. It's one of those things that you just have to
do
by hand.



Tony







On 7/30/2017 10:19 AM, Sakina wrote:

Hello Nasreen,

Your guidance below worked for me very well.

use press application key when your external drive is focused and find
eject
and press enter!

I am wondering if there is any keyboard commands that will close the CD
draw
after the disc is being ejected and removed.

I am manually pushing the draw to close.

Any help from any member will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all again and with many regards

Sakina













--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Weather Plus Feature Request: More Fine Tuning

Rob
 

I would like to see various pieces of information as their own check box rather than putting it all under one category. Temperature, perceived temperature, Barometric pressure, visibility, humidity should all be their own check boxes.
This would allow for greater fine tuning of the weather report. So you could only here temperature, perceived temperature, wind speed/direction and humidity if so desired.


Re: Document Scanner

 

I will second Gene's observation that I often see worse OCR results when I use a "high accuracy" setting than I do with a medium or low.  And the reason for this, I believe, is that "high accuracy" settings involve rejection of anything "questionable" while lower accuracy settings accept it.  When you're talking about printed material being scanned in the first place, allowing for "low accuracy" will get you maximal recognition of what's there, and what has to be at least reasonably clear to begin with.

I've seen OCR work what I almost feel are miracles on some awful "10th generation" scans of original documents that are not all that easy to read from the start.

I also haven't seen all that much difference in accuracy when the original material being scanned is very clean to begin with.  But, if you want the ability to mask off parts of pages (e.g. title line and page numbers at the top or footnotes at the bottom) you'll have to use specialty software if you're using a document feeder as it's impossible to create a mask under that circumstance.

--
Brian  Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063  (dot level on request - it changes too often to keep in signature)

     The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.  But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth.

            Niels Bohr

 

 


Re: some more help

Arlene
 

Moast computers have a cd button you hit the ddrive opens by itself. Once gently hit. It closes by itself. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: July-30-17 7:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some more help

 

Hi Sakina,

 

In all of my years of being around these things and that's plenty of them grins, to my knowledge, there has never been a command for closing a CD-Rom drive with a shortcut key. It's one of those things that you just have to do by hand. 

 

Tony

 

 

 

On 7/30/2017 10:19 AM, Sakina wrote:

Hello Nasreen,

Your guidance below worked for me very well.

use press application key when your external drive is focused and find eject and press enter!

I am wondering if there is any keyboard commands that will close the CD draw after the disc is being ejected and removed.

I am manually pushing the draw to close.

Any help from any member will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all again and with many regards

Sakina

 

 

 

 

 


Re: multiple links on one line

Don H
 

Thanks that is just what I was looking for.


On 7/30/2017 2:39 PM, Gene wrote:
Use NVDA key v when on a web page to turn use screen layout off.  The command toggles between on and off.  Off causes all links to be read on separate lines.  This should be the default and it probably causes a lot of unnecessary confusion among new users that it isn't. 
 
After you change this setting, use NVDA key control c to make sure the setting is saved.  The default is for NVDA to save changes on exit but I don't know if you have changed the setting and the command I gave will save the setting.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] multiple links on one line

Keep in mind that I am in the middle of trying to learn NVDA and Jaws at
the same time.  I am using NVDA as my primary screen reader replacing
Window Eyes which I used for twenty years.

On some web pages I am finding links that are bunched together on one
line.  Is there a way to get NVDA to read a web page as if each link is
on a separate line?

Thanks






Re: multiple links on one line

Gene
 

Use NVDA key v when on a web page to turn use screen layout off.  The command toggles between on and off.  Off causes all links to be read on separate lines.  This should be the default and it probably causes a lot of unnecessary confusion among new users that it isn't. 
 
After you change this setting, use NVDA key control c to make sure the setting is saved.  The default is for NVDA to save changes on exit but I don't know if you have changed the setting and the command I gave will save the setting.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 2:33 PM
Subject: [nvda] multiple links on one line

Keep in mind that I am in the middle of trying to learn NVDA and Jaws at
the same time.  I am using NVDA as my primary screen reader replacing
Window Eyes which I used for twenty years.

On some web pages I am finding links that are bunched together on one
line.  Is there a way to get NVDA to read a web page as if each link is
on a separate line?

Thanks





multiple links on one line

Don H
 

Keep in mind that I am in the middle of trying to learn NVDA and Jaws at the same time. I am using NVDA as my primary screen reader replacing Window Eyes which I used for twenty years.

On some web pages I am finding links that are bunched together on one line. Is there a way to get NVDA to read a web page as if each link is on a separate line?

Thanks


FW: [win10] NVDA internet help

 

Hi,

Besides my tutorial set, if anyone has any comments, please forward them to Win10 group. Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Kevin
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 10:53 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] NVDA internet help

 

I’m having problems using NVDA on the internet.  the problem is I’m so use to jaws like insert+F5 for forms mode, insert+F6 for headings and insert+F7 for links

I configured my NVDA’s modifier key so that it is the insert key, but how do you get forms, headings and links

would it be like narrator where you would just press the first letter?

Email is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

windows 10 17 03 OS build 15thousand63.483


Re: some more help

Sakina
 

Dear Gene and all the  friends who promptly responded,

I thank you all for your help in solving my problem.

Yes after exploring the button on the machine now,  it does both the functions and I need not do it manually.

Thank you all once again.

Many regards

Sakina

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 3:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] some more help

 

Doesn't the computer have a button somewhere around or maybe on the cd drawer?  The button opens the drawer and closes it.  I haven't seen or heard of a computer without such a button and I assume it is standard.  You don't have to eject a cd using a command from the computer keyboard. 

 

I'm not sure these days, in versions of Windows later than XP if you should still use safely eject hardware.  But when dealing with a cd, whose content can't be changed in any way by ejecting it, you can just use the button somewhere around the cd drawer.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sakina

Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:19 AM

Subject: [nvda] some more help

 

Hello Nasreen,

Your guidance below worked for me very well.

use press application key when your external drive is focused and find eject and press enter!

I am wondering if there is any keyboard commands that will close the CD draw after the disc is being ejected and removed.

I am manually pushing the draw to close.

Any help from any member will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all again and with many regards

Sakina

 

 

 

 


Re: some more help

Chris Mullins
 

The CD/DVD drawers on many computers are not powered.  When you push it closed, does it slide into place electrically after slight pressure or do you have to physically push it until it clicks shut?  If the drawer is electrically powered there will probably be a keyboard command to close it, unpowered drawers will have to be closed manually.

 

Cheers

Chris 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sakina
Sent: 30 July 2017 15:20
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] some more help

 

Hello Nasreen,

Your guidance below worked for me very well.

use press application key when your external drive is focused and find eject and press enter!

I am wondering if there is any keyboard commands that will close the CD draw after the disc is being ejected and removed.

I am manually pushing the draw to close.

Any help from any member will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all again and with many regards

Sakina

 

 

 

 


Re: some more help

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Oh yeah that's right, should be just to the right and beneath the drive in most cases. 


Tony

On 7/30/2017 10:48 AM, Gene wrote:
Doesn't the computer have a button somewhere around or maybe on the cd drawer?  The button opens the drawer and closes it.  I haven't seen or heard of a computer without such a button and I assume it is standard.  You don't have to eject a cd using a command from the computer keyboard. 
 
I'm not sure these days, in versions of Windows later than XP if you should still use safely eject hardware.  But when dealing with a cd, whose content can't be changed in any way by ejecting it, you can just use the button somewhere around the cd drawer.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Sakina
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] some more help

Hello Nasreen,

Your guidance below worked for me very well.

use press application key when your external drive is focused and find eject and press enter!

I am wondering if there is any keyboard commands that will close the CD draw after the disc is being ejected and removed.

I am manually pushing the draw to close.

Any help from any member will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all again and with many regards

Sakina

 

 

 





Re: some more help

 

What I said in my previous message is true for desktops and not
laptops. For laptops one has to push in the drawer manually.
Nevzat

On 7/30/17, Nevzat Adil <nevzatadil@gmail.com> wrote:
No need to push the drawer manually; just press the button right below
the disk drawer and it will close by itself.
Nevzat

On 7/30/17, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi Sakina,


In all of my years of being around these things and that's plenty of them
grins, to my knowledge, there has never been a command for closing a
CD-Rom
drive with a shortcut key. It's one of those things that you just have to
do
by hand.


Tony



On 7/30/2017 10:19 AM, Sakina wrote:
Hello Nasreen,
Your guidance below worked for me very well.
use press application key when your external drive is focused and find
eject
and press enter!
I am wondering if there is any keyboard commands that will close the CD
draw
after the disc is being ejected and removed.
I am manually pushing the draw to close.
Any help from any member will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all again and with many regards
Sakina








Re: some more help

 

No need to push the drawer manually; just press the button right below
the disk drawer and it will close by itself.
Nevzat

On 7/30/17, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi Sakina,


In all of my years of being around these things and that's plenty of them
grins, to my knowledge, there has never been a command for closing a CD-Rom
drive with a shortcut key. It's one of those things that you just have to do
by hand.


Tony



On 7/30/2017 10:19 AM, Sakina wrote:
Hello Nasreen,
Your guidance below worked for me very well.
use press application key when your external drive is focused and find eject
and press enter!
I am wondering if there is any keyboard commands that will close the CD draw
after the disc is being ejected and removed.
I am manually pushing the draw to close.
Any help from any member will be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all again and with many regards
Sakina








Re: Problem with Edge

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


If you are going to do something that intense, it may be best to call
the Microsoft disability center and have them help you with it. Registry
editing can get rather sticky and you need to be careful in there.
Personally, I will say that I have done it a few times but not without
loads of trepidation. To contact the Microsoft folks call 800 936-5900
for guidance with this one.


Tony

On 7/29/2017 6:05 AM, Lee Jones wrote:
Dear List, I want to use NVDA with edge on windows ten home but it just keeps telling me that it can’t open the app. I have read online that you can’t access edge from a built in administrator account. It won’t let me create another account to sign in with. I think the only way to do it is to edit the registry. This is a daunting prospect. Could some kind soul explain how you edit the registery with NVDA so that edge will open.

Many Thanks, Lee


Re: some more help

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

There is a utility called Door Control that will do it. Below is a short description, followed by the URL from where to download it. The utility also works under Windows 10.

When using the computer on a daily basis, we often have to open and close the DVD drive door. However, this can be a bit of a hassle if the computer case is be under the table or if we have a laptop with the awkward side DVD drive door.
The Door Control software will help you resolve these issues. The software shows the button for opening and closing the DVD drive door in the system menu. A single click will open or close the DVD drive door. You may also assign a hotkey for this function. In comparison with similar software, Door Control uses a special algorithm to recognise whether the doors are open or closed. A single click is enough to open or close the DVD drive door.
The user may customise the colour of the button, assign a hotkey and launch the software at system start-up. The Door Control software is very small and uses a very small amount of RAM for its operation.

Download link:
http://www.digola.com/setupdoorcontrol.zip

On 30/07/2017 16:40, Tony Ballou wrote:
Hi Sakina,
In all of my years of being around these things and that's plenty of them grins, to my knowledge, there has never been a command for closing a CD-Rom drive with a shortcut key. It's one of those things that you just have to do by hand.
Tony
On 7/30/2017 10:19 AM, Sakina wrote:

Hello Nasreen,

Your guidance below worked for me very well.

use press application key when your external drive is focused and find eject and press enter!

I am wondering if there is any keyboard commands that will close the CD draw after the disc is being ejected and removed.

I am manually pushing the draw to close.

Any help from any member will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all again and with many regards

Sakina



Re: some more help

Gene
 

Doesn't the computer have a button somewhere around or maybe on the cd drawer?  The button opens the drawer and closes it.  I haven't seen or heard of a computer without such a button and I assume it is standard.  You don't have to eject a cd using a command from the computer keyboard. 
 
I'm not sure these days, in versions of Windows later than XP if you should still use safely eject hardware.  But when dealing with a cd, whose content can't be changed in any way by ejecting it, you can just use the button somewhere around the cd drawer.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Sakina
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:19 AM
Subject: [nvda] some more help

Hello Nasreen,

Your guidance below worked for me very well.

use press application key when your external drive is focused and find eject and press enter!

I am wondering if there is any keyboard commands that will close the CD draw after the disc is being ejected and removed.

I am manually pushing the draw to close.

Any help from any member will be greatly appreciated.

Thank you all again and with many regards

Sakina

 

 

 




Re: Document Scanner

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you mean by "Kurzweil can otimize the scanning configurations..."  If you are talking about the feature you can run that takes a sample of the page and uses what it thinks are the best settings, I did a few tests with it years ago and consistently found that just using the defaults is better.  And when scanning a book, often, in my experience, a page or part of a page will look different, presumably the contrast changes for some reason.  I therefore always, unless results are poor, use whatever the setting is for automatically setting contrast as you scan.  I don't recall what either Openbook or Kurzweil calls this setting.  As far as I know, the setting is the default in both programs.  I've looked at settings very infrequently for years since I did a good deal of experimentation to see which work the best. 
 
As for Openbook's having the image recognized by more than one OCR engine, I haven't played with it much but the little that I have, I have found the fastest setting to be more accurate than the slower and claimed to be more accurate settings.  My guess is that fastest only uses one OCR engine and slower settings use more than one.  Of course, since company after company dumbs down there products names for things, you can only infer from the performance.  In the old days, you could actually tell Open book what OCR engine or combination to use when that feature became available.  Not any longer.  Now generic meaningless descriptions are used such as slowest, best quality.  Don't assume that any such descriptions are correct.  Test and see.  In my small amount of testing with books, I find the Openbook descriptions to be inaccurate.  That's not to say that there are no occasions when they describe what happens in terms of accuracy, I don't know.  I'm only saying that in what I would say are more or less typical scanning conditions, scanning a few test pages from different books that are probably of typical scanning difficulty, I invariably found the fastest setting which is claimed to be least accurate to be most accurate.  Perhaps this is another illustration of the saying "Too many cooks spoil the broth." 
 
I question whether Kurzweil and Openbook provide better recognition than Fine Reader.  I don't know how current versions of Fine Reader are set up but the version I got bundled many years ago with my scanner, had a setting for what I'm describing as automatic contrast.  Not the setting where it scans part of a page, then infers the best settings to use and then scans the entire page, but a different setting.  Again, as with Kurzweil, I found this setting to work much better than the setting I described with part of a page being scanned each time and scanning settings being inferred.  That is the rough equivalent of the Kurzweil setting I described at the start of my message.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: Rui Fontes
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2017 9:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Document Scanner

Both produce better results, due to some enhancements and configurations
made.
Kurzweil can otimize the scanning configurations and Openbook can use the
best of each OCR's to provide a otimal result...

But, forgeting all technical stuff, both provide a interface very easy to
use, allowing everybody to press a key and start listening the document...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Rob
Data: 30 de julho de 2017 11:18
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Document Scanner

Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I'm very skeptical that Kurzweil; or Openbook provide either better
> recognition or recognition that is better enough to pay those exhorbitant
> prices for.

Kurzweil uses fine reader as its OCR engine, anyway. What you gain is better
fine tuning of the OCR process. With the commercial version of FR, this is
done by drawing blocks around the image portion, highlighting and enhancing.
In Kurzweil, you can do this by using its optimize scanning features, which
can be useful for old documents and blurry print.