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Re: edge and gmail

 

No, second or third, I do have the latest update of edge though.

If I restart nvda it will work, and edge itself hasn't crashed but I do need to restart nvda then edge will work as normal.

On 1/02/2021 1:09 pm, Gene wrote:
Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge?  I suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard quite a bit about it before now.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks like
i accessible and uia having a war.










Re: edge and gmail

Gene
 

Is this the first time you have signed in to Google with Edge? I suspect that if this were a general problem, we would have heard quite a bit about it before now.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun Everiss
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] edge and gmail

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks like
i accessible and uia having a war.


edge and gmail

 

Hi.

Found this while checking email in gmail, nvda crashes at the sign screen.

I won't send the log to anyone unless someone wants it but it looks like i accessible and uia having a war.


Re: I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 04:30 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Can you give a valid use case as to why such an add on might be needed if the app is hardly ever used?
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And there is is, and legitimately is.

There is finite man/woman power out there, and a very great many add-ons come into existence as personal projects.

They seldom come into existence in response to requests for same from single users (unless they write them) or very small groups using obscure software.

Still, Sarah nails it with, "Your message is not specific enough for us to help troubleshoot."  There at least exists the potential that a number of things that you believe are not accessible might be, or there might be workarounds to make them kinda-sorta accessible.  Details about what you're trying to do, how you're trying to do it, what you expect to happen, and what is happening is absolutely necessary.  It would have to be provided to an add-on writer, too, if things are actually inaccessible that an add-on could make so.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you give a valid use case as to why such an add on might be needed if the app is hardly ever used? I don't even use it. In fact, I've never even heard of it. What are you having trouble with? What don't you like? Your message is not specific enough for us to help troubleshoot.

Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

Hi,
Perhaps this topic isn't for the entire list but rather for developers only, but I do think it's time to consider developing an NVDA add-on for Zara Radio, as nobody seems to know quite how to help me use it fully, though now I'm just playing around with features of the program I may never use anyway. There are a few things about it I'd like to see changed though that I can't access right now.
Bob


Re: I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I should mention that per our discussion last month, I did email them
again, but only on Thursday evening, and haven't got a response yet. I
also posted on two different radio boards with no luck on workarounds.
It looks like some of its features can be accessed from the command
line, but there's no documentation about what can be done or how to do
it that I can find. It says playlists can execute bat and EXE files,
but I have no idea what the purpose of such executions would be. Also,
how many of you use break notes in Station Playlist, and how
accessible are they there? It looks like Zara can do something similar
by adding a text file to the playlist, but NVDA doesn't read anything
when that comes up.

On 1/31/21, Bob Cavanaugh via groups.io <cavbob1993=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,
Perhaps this topic isn't for the entire list but rather for developers
only, but I do think it's time to consider developing an NVDA add-on
for Zara Radio, as nobody seems to know quite how to help me use it
fully, though now I'm just playing around with features of the program
I may never use anyway. There are a few things about it I'd like to
see changed though that I can't access right now.
Bob






I think it's time to think about an add-on for Zara

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Hi,
Perhaps this topic isn't for the entire list but rather for developers
only, but I do think it's time to consider developing an NVDA add-on
for Zara Radio, as nobody seems to know quite how to help me use it
fully, though now I'm just playing around with features of the program
I may never use anyway. There are a few things about it I'd like to
see changed though that I can't access right now.
Bob


Re: Making NVDA speak characters as they're typed

Sarah k Alawami
 

Try nvda plus numrow two. It is a toggle.

Hope this helps a bit.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jon W Parsons
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Making NVDA speak characters as they're typed

When typing in edit boxes, NVDA does not speak the characters I type Even when typing in a text editor it does not speak as I type.
How can I make it speak as I type?


Re: outlook 365

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 03:30 PM, Gene wrote:
I may want to see what is around the links.
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I guess it all comes down to what one is looking to get and how one wishes to get it.

I'm generally either in "reader mode," where elements are irrelevant but text is, or vice versa.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Accessible PDF Editor?

Clement Chou
 

Can anyone recommend one? Need it for editing / combining resumes and
cover letters. Thanks.


Re: outlook 365

 

Bob,

        Again, I'm not questioning anyone's personal preferences, just trying to get perspectives.  And I thank you for yours.

        I guess I'm "just the opposite" in terms of how I learned and how I approach things, regardless of screen reader.  I love the display elements options, regardless of specific implementation, as a way of both "cutting through the crap" and getting through certain types of content in the fastest (read: most efficient, in context) way possible.

         But there are times where actual page layout is important.

         The concept of the virtual cursor took me a very long time to wrap my head around, and I still prefer to use what NVDA calls Focus Highlight, or the equivalent in other screen readers, so that where I think I am and where I actually am is obvious to me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: outlook 365

Gene
 

Since it is common to tab through links and controls or move by line, moving by link
using k is not necessarily convenient. I use k at times when tabbing doesn't work well on a page for some reason. But I often want to either tab or down arrow. I don't necessarily want to just see links. I may want to see what is around the links.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 1:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook 365

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 01:39 PM, Gene wrote:
Now you will see every linkk displayed on its own line, and you will also see that on web pages where you may have seen more than one link on a line.-
Serious question: How is this better than either using the browsing shortcuts to jump from link to link (whether unvisited, visited, or agnostic of state) or using the elements list, with links being the chosen element?

I've not ever had a situation, whether in e-mail messages or web pages, where one, the other, or both have not worked.

What one chooses to turn on or off as far as settings is an entirely personal choice, so I'm not questioning that. I'd just like to understand your reasoning as to this being better.

--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel


Re: Making NVDA speak characters as they're typed

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Use the nvda key +number 2 on the main keyboard. it will toggle it from off to on of of speaking of characters.


Gene nz

On 1/02/2021 9:16 am, Jon W Parsons wrote:
When typing in edit boxes, NVDA does not speak the characters I type
Even when typing in a text editor it does not speak as I type.
How can I make it speak as I type?






Making NVDA speak characters as they're typed

Jon W Parsons
 

When typing in edit boxes, NVDA does not speak the characters I type
Even when typing in a text editor it does not speak as I type.
How can I make it speak as I type?


Re: outlook 365

Sarah k Alawami
 

I dun no,  for me I am now used to how the page looks. Don’t ne need to get used to saying it’s on this line, not every link on a separate line? I find myself coding that way which is incorrect. It should IMHO be off by default and the user can turn it on if they so choose. I always hated links on separate lines even way back in 2002 when I started using jaws.

 

 

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFfP. We are also on lbry as well.

 

Stay in touch with us via our discord. This is an easier way to both contact us, and get to know your fellow listeners.

 

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 12:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook 365

 

Brian,

I'm actually with Gene on this one. For me, this is much like Numpad Nav Mode, which is currently an add-on, and the only add-on I have installed with NVDA at this point. For those coming from other screen readers, the behavior NVDA displays when screen layout is on may throw some people off. It definitely was strange to me when I first encountered it, having used System Access for about a year at that point and JAWS at school before then. I probably should use K to navigate by link more than I do, but many times I either tab to it or use the elements list.

 

On 1/31/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 01:39 PM, Gene wrote:

>> 

>> Now you will see every linkk displayed on its own line, and you will

>> also see that on web pages where you may have seen more than one link

>> on a line.

> -

> Serious question:  How is this better than either using the browsing

> shortcuts to jump from link to link (whether unvisited, visited, or

> agnostic of state) or using the elements list, with links being the chosen element?

> I've not ever had a situation, whether in e-mail messages or web

> pages, where one, the other, or both have not worked.

> What one chooses to turn on or off as far as settings is an entirely

> personal choice, so I'm not questioning that.  I'd just like to

> understand your reasoning as to this being better.

> --

> Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

> The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of

> disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

> ~ Brian Vogel

>

 

 

 

 


Re: outlook 365

brice Mijares
 

Gene, NVDA key plus v acts as a toggle for screen view.

On 1/31/2021 10:39 AM, Gene wrote:
I wouldn't assume it’s the e-mail renderer.  Web sites sometimes have more than one link on a line.  The way to change the display of links is to turn off use screen layout where supported.

Open browse mode settings with NVDA key control b.  Tab to use screen layout where supported.  It’s a check box.  Uncheck it with the space bar.  Press enter.  Now you will see every linkk displayed on its own line, and you will also see that on web pages where you may have seen more than one link on a line.

I have said before that use screen layout should be off by default but there is no interest.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook 365

Hi Lali and all!

When it comes to the NVDA and outlook versus hating something. Those who hates something, keep it for yourself, as it is a personal
preference when comes to using something.

Sadly, Using office 365 accounts in thunderbird can be done with the paid addon called Sova. It supports exchange and never office 365 accounts. That's because I moved from thunderbird to outlook. My university e-mail is also a office 365 mailbox. That's why I've moved to outlook

The problem with links rendered in on line is the e-mail renderer.

Best,
Zvonimir

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of lali
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook 365

no, it is not exchange, that would be the best, but no.















Re: outlook 365

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

Brian,
I'm actually with Gene on this one. For me, this is much like Numpad
Nav Mode, which is currently an add-on, and the only add-on I have
installed with NVDA at this point. For those coming from other screen
readers, the behavior NVDA displays when screen layout is on may throw
some people off. It definitely was strange to me when I first
encountered it, having used System Access for about a year at that
point and JAWS at school before then. I probably should use K to
navigate by link more than I do, but many times I either tab to it or
use the elements list.

On 1/31/21, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 01:39 PM, Gene wrote:


Now you will see every linkk displayed on its own line, and you will also
see that on web pages where you may have seen more than one link on a
line.
-
Serious question:  How is this better than either using the browsing
shortcuts to jump from link to link (whether unvisited, visited, or agnostic
of state) or using the elements list, with links being the chosen element?

I've not ever had a situation, whether in e-mail messages or web pages,
where one, the other, or both have not worked.

What one chooses to turn on or off as far as settings is an entirely
personal choice, so I'm not questioning that.  I'd just like to understand
your reasoning as to this being better.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval
can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

~ Brian Vogel






Re: NVDA User Guide doesn't open in default browser

Louise Pfau
 

Hi.  I had actually set my default browser to Edge using the procedure described when Internet Explorer was no longer supported.  There are still a few web-based documents that open in Chrome for some reason, or Internet Explorer when I temporarily uninstalled Chrome.  I'm sorry if there was any confusion.

Thanks,

Louise


Re: outlook 365

 

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021 at 01:39 PM, Gene wrote:
Now you will see every linkk displayed on its own line, and you will also see that on web pages where you may have seen more than one link on a line.
-
Serious question:  How is this better than either using the browsing shortcuts to jump from link to link (whether unvisited, visited, or agnostic of state) or using the elements list, with links being the chosen element?

I've not ever had a situation, whether in e-mail messages or web pages, where one, the other, or both have not worked.

What one chooses to turn on or off as far as settings is an entirely personal choice, so I'm not questioning that.  I'd just like to understand your reasoning as to this being better.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

The depths of denial one can be pushed to by outside forces of disapproval can make you not even recognize yourself to yourself.

       ~ Brian Vogel

 


Re: outlook 365

Gene
 

I wouldn't assume it’s the e-mail renderer. Web sites sometimes have more than one link on a line. The way to change the display of links is to turn off use screen layout where supported.

Open browse mode settings with NVDA key control b. Tab to use screen layout where supported. It’s a check box. Uncheck it with the space bar. Press enter. Now you will see every linkk displayed on its own line, and you will also see that on web pages where you may have seen more than one link on a line.

I have said before that use screen layout should be off by default but there is no interest.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: zvonimir stanečić, 9a5dsz
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 11:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook 365

Hi Lali and all!

When it comes to the NVDA and outlook versus hating something. Those who hates something, keep it for yourself, as it is a personal
preference when comes to using something.

Sadly, Using office 365 accounts in thunderbird can be done with the paid addon called Sova. It supports exchange and never office 365 accounts. That's because I moved from thunderbird to outlook. My university e-mail is also a office 365 mailbox. That's why I've moved to outlook

The problem with links rendered in on line is the e-mail renderer.

Best,
Zvonimir

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of lali
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 6:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] outlook 365

no, it is not exchange, that would be the best, but no.

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