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Re: Online Audio Player

David Moore
 

Hi all,

Thank you for this web site. I just played a audio book, I used IE, and I had a choice to open or save the book. I chose open, and it opened up in the VLC Media player instead of playing in the browser. Thanks for the site.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 10:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Online Audio Player

 

As it turns out, you can move around.  When the file starts to play, go into focus mode with NVDA key space bar and then use the left arrow key to move back and the right arrow key to move forward.  Also, you may use the space bar to pause or resume play.  You don't have to move to the buttons or the slider.  You may use these commands after you switch to focus mode without looking for controls or moving anywhere.

 

Also, my instructions for saving the file that is playing will work with Firefox.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:21 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Online Audio Player

 

Since the link you sent appears to be to an mp3 file that streams from the site, I doubt you can move around.  I'll test it later and write again.  But since the link is to an mp3 file, you may be able to save the book and read it off site in the player you wish.

 

Try the following:

Once the book starts to be read, use the command control s.  If a save dialog comes up, save the file.  then try playing it on your computer. 

Newer versions of browsers are often designed to play mp3 files in the browser but they may allow you to save the actual file in this way.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:36 AM

Subject: [nvda] Online Audio Player

 

Hi folks,

Maybe someone can help me with the following:

Using Windows 10 and Mozilla Firefox, I am reading an audio online book at http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/mp3. In the table, I click on one of the files and a player comes up and reads the audio. I imagine the player is embedded in the site, but I don't know that for sure, nor whether it behaves differently with different browsers. I am just wondering if there is a way for me to use NVDA to easily go back and forth in the slider in order to start listening at different points, rather than only from the beginning or the middle.

Regards,
Ralph



 


Re: how to read arabic superscripts

 

no.
it does not have separate key.
you can read all characters and diacritics by left and right arrow keys.

On 12/20/16, Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...> wrote:
Yes, I am referring to those diacritics which serve as vowel sounds. I
am not using braille display.
Yes, I was using notepad. thanks for the suggestion I tried ms word
that's better! now it pronounces the letters with the diacritic mark
on it. I want to know that is it possible to read only the diacritic
symbol with any key? or instead of saying "bee" can it pronounce "bay
zair" or "bay nasub" etc to show that the sound is of high or low one.

On 12/15/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
in which program do you mean?
you can read diacrritics in arabic for many programs by left and right
arrow keys like letters.
i mean that you can use microsoft office word, wordpad, notepad++,
firefox and internet explorer both letters and diacritics by left and
right arrow keys.
but unfortunately, using windows notepad, libreoffice and openoffice,
you cant read diacritics by left and right arrow keys and only letters
are accessible.


On 12/15/16, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...> wrote:
Are you referring to the vowels and the other diacritics? I don't know
those
as superscripts, but I'm wondering if that's what you mean. Are you
using
a
braille display?

On Dec 14, 2016, at 22:29, Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...>
wrote:

Dear listers,
I would like to know whether there is any way to read superscript in
arabic text? the superscript which tell us how to read the word.
fatah, nasub , jur, or zair zabar, paish are the technical names of
those superscripts. I am reading Holy Quran and I am not an arabic
native so i want to occasionally know the superscripts on the words.
the sighted can see them in the text but there is no way for me to
read it. kindly tell me how may i read them. i have enabled all
punctuation but it is not reading. is there any special command for
that?
waiting anxiously. thanks.


--

www.umairijaz.com

"A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--

www.umairijaz.com

"A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Online Audio Player

Dejan Ristic
 

I have just looked into the matter, too. This book may be found at:


www.librivox.org

On 12/20/2016 1:36 PM, Ralph Boersema wrote:
Hi folks,

Maybe someone can help me with the following:

Using Windows 10 and Mozilla Firefox, I am reading an audio online book at http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/mp3. In the table, I click on one of the files and a player comes up and reads the audio. I imagine the player is embedded in the site, but I don't know that for sure, nor whether it behaves differently with different browsers. I am just wondering if there is a way for me to use NVDA to easily go back and forth in the slider in order to start listening at different points, rather than only from the beginning or the middle.

Regards,
Ralph



.


Re: Online Audio Player

Dejan Ristic
 

Try to set NVDA to focus mode, so that you may be able to use the arrow keys to skip backwards and forwards. Use tab and shift plus tab to try to walk through the player options (if any). If you are able to walk through the player interface by means of the NVDA browse mode, and if you run into "Embedded object", press the space bar on it so that it is activated and/or focused. See if it might be a solution. If you are at the very top of the player section being in the browse mode, press the letter O to try to find "Embedded object" as easily as possible. If you succeed, then activate the focuse mode mentioned above, and then try to walk through the player options.


One more thing:


If you have VLC Media Player installed on your machine, try the following:


Open the programme. Then press alt to open media menu. Arrow down to find a submenu called Open location from clipboard. But, before doing it, you must have the link of an audio book you may be listening to ready in the clipboard, which you then paste into the mentioned submenu. After pasting it, tab once to choose the play option which is activated by pressing either space or enter. VLC can help you in skipping through the files.


Good luck to you!

On 12/20/2016 1:36 PM, Ralph Boersema wrote:
Hi folks,

Maybe someone can help me with the following:

Using Windows 10 and Mozilla Firefox, I am reading an audio online book at http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/mp3. In the table, I click on one of the files and a player comes up and reads the audio. I imagine the player is embedded in the site, but I don't know that for sure, nor whether it behaves differently with different browsers. I am just wondering if there is a way for me to use NVDA to easily go back and forth in the slider in order to start listening at different points, rather than only from the beginning or the middle.

Regards,
Ralph



.


Re: Online Audio Player

Gene
 

As it turns out, you can move around.  When the file starts to play, go into focus mode with NVDA key space bar and then use the left arrow key to move back and the right arrow key to move forward.  Also, you may use the space bar to pause or resume play.  You don't have to move to the buttons or the slider.  You may use these commands after you switch to focus mode without looking for controls or moving anywhere.
 
Also, my instructions for saving the file that is playing will work with Firefox.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Online Audio Player

Since the link you sent appears to be to an mp3 file that streams from the site, I doubt you can move around.  I'll test it later and write again.  But since the link is to an mp3 file, you may be able to save the book and read it off site in the player you wish.
 
Try the following:
Once the book starts to be read, use the command control s.  If a save dialog comes up, save the file.  then try playing it on your computer. 
Newer versions of browsers are often designed to play mp3 files in the browser but they may allow you to save the actual file in this way.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Online Audio Player

Hi folks,

Maybe someone can help me with the following:

Using Windows 10 and Mozilla Firefox, I am reading an audio online book at http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/mp3. In the table, I click on one of the files and a player comes up and reads the audio. I imagine the player is embedded in the site, but I don't know that for sure, nor whether it behaves differently with different browsers. I am just wondering if there is a way for me to use NVDA to easily go back and forth in the slider in order to start listening at different points, rather than only from the beginning or the middle.

Regards,
Ralph





NVDA development: Making sure NVDA source code/API documentation becomes one of the greatest out there in helping new developers

 

Hi all,

 

The below message was posted to NVDA development list, but I think this merits mentioning here. Please write to me offlist if you have comments or would like to help:

 

Hi,

 

I’d like to request for comments before I proceed with further research into the following issue:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6654

 

One of the advantages and weaknesses of NVDA source code (as it stands) is API docs. Although we do have development guide that gives high-level picture of what add-ons and other modules should do, more knowledge can be gained by reading NVDA Core source code. For those who’d like to go further than writing app modules, reading NVDA Core source code is a must, but because certain parts are not documented well, it is hard for some to get into NVDA Core development. One way we, the current NVDA developers can help, is writing down our know-how directly in NVDA Core source code, thereby allowing NVDA API docs to become one of the greatest out there and opening up opportunities for many to follow our footsteps by reading the improved documentation.

 

I do understand that NV Access may not have time or resources to pursue the task of adding or updating API docs. However, I believe that one of the best ways to showcase the power of NVDA is through extensive documentation, with our hard work, knowledge gained, and wisdom included in these pages. Documentation also serves as a valuable historical artifact – long after possible demise of NVDA, historians, generations of programmers and students can learn about history of the global movement that is NVDA and learn to appreciate our talents and mindset as they research further.

 

Because of time and effort involved, I’d like to suggest that we don’t use forceful advocacy to get this feature onboard right away – I’m thinking it is something we should try to do throughout 2017. Also, this is the kind of a project that those knowledgeable in the NVDA community (users, developers, observers, etc.) should take part in (NVDA source code is massive now), with one or two persons serving as overall coordinators and committing needed bits and recording names of contributors.

 

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Test Message

Gene
 

From the moderator
 
This is not a list rule but will members please not write telling people they have received a test message unless the person asks to be contacted or in some way indicates that they want a response.  One simple test message can generate five or more additional messages of people verifying receipt and the original sender thanking them. 
Of course, if people want to respond off list to the sender, that's their choice and is outside of the perview of the list.  But I wouldn't assume the tester wants a response unless indeicated. 
 
Gene


Re: Online Audio Player

Gene
 

Since the link you sent appears to be to an mp3 file that streams from the site, I doubt you can move around.  I'll test it later and write again.  But since the link is to an mp3 file, you may be able to save the book and read it off site in the player you wish.
 
Try the following:
Once the book starts to be read, use the command control s.  If a save dialog comes up, save the file.  then try playing it on your computer. 
Newer versions of browsers are often designed to play mp3 files in the browser but they may allow you to save the actual file in this way.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:36 AM
Subject: [nvda] Online Audio Player

Hi folks,

Maybe someone can help me with the following:

Using Windows 10 and Mozilla Firefox, I am reading an audio online book at http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/mp3. In the table, I click on one of the files and a player comes up and reads the audio. I imagine the player is embedded in the site, but I don't know that for sure, nor whether it behaves differently with different browsers. I am just wondering if there is a way for me to use NVDA to easily go back and forth in the slider in order to start listening at different points, rather than only from the beginning or the middle.

Regards,
Ralph





Re: Test Message

Sugar <sugarsyl71@...>
 

It reached me to
sugar

‘I have loved the stars too fondly to be fearful of the
night.

Sugar

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Peter Chin
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 2:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

Thanks for letting me know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

The message has reached me.


On 12/19/2016 11:53 AM, Peter Chin wrote:




Online Audio Player

Ralph Boersema
 

Hi folks,

Maybe someone can help me with the following:

Using Windows 10 and Mozilla Firefox, I am reading an audio online book at http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/mp3. In the table, I click on one of the files and a player comes up and reads the audio. I imagine the player is embedded in the site, but I don't know that for sure, nor whether it behaves differently with different browsers. I am just wondering if there is a way for me to use NVDA to easily go back and forth in the slider in order to start listening at different points, rather than only from the beginning or the middle.

Regards,
Ralph


Re: how to read arabic superscripts

Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...>
 

Yes, I am referring to those diacritics which serve as vowel sounds. I
am not using braille display.
Yes, I was using notepad. thanks for the suggestion I tried ms word
that's better! now it pronounces the letters with the diacritic mark
on it. I want to know that is it possible to read only the diacritic
symbol with any key? or instead of saying "bee" can it pronounce "bay
zair" or "bay nasub" etc to show that the sound is of high or low one.

On 12/15/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hello.
in which program do you mean?
you can read diacrritics in arabic for many programs by left and right
arrow keys like letters.
i mean that you can use microsoft office word, wordpad, notepad++,
firefox and internet explorer both letters and diacritics by left and
right arrow keys.
but unfortunately, using windows notepad, libreoffice and openoffice,
you cant read diacritics by left and right arrow keys and only letters
are accessible.


On 12/15/16, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...> wrote:
Are you referring to the vowels and the other diacritics? I don't know
those
as superscripts, but I'm wondering if that's what you mean. Are you using
a
braille display?

On Dec 14, 2016, at 22:29, Umair Ijaz <umairthescholar@...> wrote:

Dear listers,
I would like to know whether there is any way to read superscript in
arabic text? the superscript which tell us how to read the word.
fatah, nasub , jur, or zair zabar, paish are the technical names of
those superscripts. I am reading Holy Quran and I am not an arabic
native so i want to occasionally know the superscripts on the words.
the sighted can see them in the text but there is no way for me to
read it. kindly tell me how may i read them. i have enabled all
punctuation but it is not reading. is there any special command for
that?
waiting anxiously. thanks.


--

www.umairijaz.com

"A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--

www.umairijaz.com

"A Person who won't read has no advantage over who can't read"


Re: Test Message

Peter Chin
 

Thanks for letting me know.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

The message has reached me.


On 12/19/2016 11:53 AM, Peter Chin wrote:




Re: Test Message

Peter Chin
 

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Dejan Ristic
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

The message has reached me.


On 12/19/2016 11:53 AM, Peter Chin wrote:




Re: Test Message

Dejan Ristic
 

The message has reached me.

On 12/19/2016 11:53 AM, Peter Chin wrote:



Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

David Moore
 

Hi Nimer,

Merry Christmas to you as well. This is my favorite list, because I learn so much, and I have the opportunity to help as well. Thank you, Nimer for everything you do and to let the list moderate itself. I like that as well. Merry Christmas and happy holidays to all of you.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] List Moderation #adminnotice

 

Hello all,

I have been keeping an eye on list traffic over the past couple of days, and have waited for things to settle down a bit before coming on board. I wish to take this opportunity to say a couple of things, and to start something new for this list.

As some may remember, Joseph helped me moderate this list for a long while, and he did a wonderful job at that. This list got used to his moderation style, and I found his style to be effective most of the time. I stepped in when needed, and he stepped in when needed, but on the whole, this list for the most part moderated itself. On lists that I run, I find this to be beneficial as even though a thread may be off-topic, it usually does not last long, and the thread may contain valuable information to somebody. At times, I have had to shut down certain topics, and the moderation team has been in agreement on that, but those times are few. I have always asked members of this list to reach out if they disagree with a decision, and I have said that all list members will be heard. List members can reach out to the list owner address, or to me personally, and I will be happy to help and serve in the best way possible. We won't always agree, but I will hear you out, and I will make sure that you know why a decision was made as it was, and I will give you the opportunity to change my mind. In addition, this list does have a sublist for discussion of list matters, although I don't see that as being used on most lists where it exists, and in any case, list matters on this list at any rate, are not all democratic. Why? Because this list made that clear during past decisions.

During the past year, Joseph stepped down, and this list elected not to have elections for a new moderator. I asked for volunteers that wished to become a moderator after this list elected not to have a democratic process. I also asked for nominations. Jene was my pick out of two candidates to be moderator because he is knowledgeable, he has participated on this list for a long time, many on this list respect him for his contributions, and he demonstrated to me a willingness to work with me and to work for this list to serve its membership in the best way possible. I asked after he was selected to be a moderator that all of us welcome Jene, and to treat him with the respect that you have treated me and Joseph in the past. Gene is not Joseph, and he has a different style of communication. However, both of us are in agreement to continue to allow this list for the most part to run itself, and we are both in agreement to be listers, just as all of you are, except for when we need to step up to the podium to deal with a situation. So far, I hope all of you can agree with my assessments of the situation.

Over the past few days, some questions have come up about the moderation of this list. I want to thank Stuart and Brian for reaching out via proper channels to register what they feel to be issues. Gene has, and continues to have my support for the running of this list, and has not given me any reason to think that he does not make an effective moderator. However, I am open to hear ideas for how you believe the moderation of this list can be improved, and how we can serve you better to make this list more functionable, and to allow us to be more answerable to you. To that end, I want to once again invite anyone that wishes to be heard to send a message to nvda+owner@groups.io or to nimerjaber1@... with your thoughts, suggestions, or grievances. I do want to listen, and to be there for each of you. Also, I am wondering if this list would like a time to talk about any issues that you experience? This could be something that happens monthly, or more often if preferred. If this is something that you would like to see happen, again please send me your comments and suggestions to the group owner e-mail address, or to me at my e-mail address.

Finally, I would like to wish all of you a very happy holidays ahead to you and your families. Thank you for allowing me to continue to serve you, and know that I really am listening and paying attention to your suggestions.

Cordially,

Nimer J, List Owner

 


Re: re i am new to nvda can someone help?

 

hi.
press nvda+control+s to list the synthesizers.
then, press e or home to find espeak ng!
good luck.

On 12/20/16, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:
Let others express themselves, too.


On 12/19/2016 10:40 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:

Let me join the conversation once more.


When the synthesizer dialogue is open, tab once to check which of the
offered output devices is active. I do not say that it may be a
problem, but I simply want to help. On laptops, when no headset is
plugged in, you may choose between Microsoft sound mapper and
speakers. But, when a headset is pluged in, there's the third device
called Headphones.


I hope that your NVDA will start working for you.


On 12/19/2016 10:18 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
If you follow Dejan's suggestion, after pressing NVDA+control+s, "No
speech" is the last option as you down arrow, so you could up arrow
to get to something else. The first option is "eSpeak NG". Often
not the favourite voice, but it should certainly speak.

The other way of resetting is to press NVDA+control+r three times
quickly, which resets everything in NVDA to factory defaults.

Note that the NVDA key is usually insert, particularly on desktops,
and may be caps lock, particularly on laptops).

If you have several programs which use speech installed, you may have
other synthesizers. It is best to avoid trying to choose those in
NVDA unless you are sure they will work with it, as sometimes
commercial programs will restrict the synthesizers you buy with them
to only work with them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...
<mailto:r.dejan83@...>> wrote:

It may be that your synthesizer is set to the No speech option.


To check it, press: nvda PLUS CONTROL PLUS S. The synthesizer
dialogue should appear. Try to find, for instance, ESpeak NG, and
then press enter to try to make it speak.


NOTE:


If you are unable to do it yourself, either bring up another
screen reader to assist you, or some sighted assistance.



Never have more than one screen reader turned on when you start
your computer. They may have a conflict.
On 12/19/2016 10:05 AM, stewartross wrote:
hi i wonder if someone out there could help me
wenever i try to load nvda, i can't get the voice to work.
i thought i would install nvda, to see what is like also
as my jaws keeps crashing wen i am running outlook express seven
with wiindows seven.
many thanks
from stewart
from the ross meister
www.laserhothits.co.uk <http://www.laserhothits.co.uk>





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Test Message

Peter Chin
 

Hope this gets through.


Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via theGroups.io web interface?

David Moore
 

Wow, Brian,

Thank you so much for doing this trial and error on the web site. You have helped me a lot to navigate the Groups.io web site. This is great. I did not know that you could control so much about the emails that you get on the web site. I have been following what you are doing, and I have already changed some options. Thanks a lot for doing this for us.

David Moore. Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via theGroups.io web interface?

 

Well, it looks like the Groups.io page for the messages in a given group, using topics view, is best and most efficiently read using the links list.

Once the links list is up you can use D three times to get to the date link and it's always three down arrows from there to get to the list of links that are interspersed topics and the user profiles of those who started each topic.  What I find most interesting is that once I open a topic, any topic, and use the backspace key to go back to the topics list page I can use up and down arrow to move through the topics/profiles (I wish I could avoid the profiles, but they're links, too) links using up or down arrow just as I would expect I could.  What I have not been successful in doing is getting NVDA to throw focus on to the first topic on the page without using the links list, getting to the Date link, then down arrowing three times to get to that first topic.  I can't seem to tab to it at all easily.

Once any given topic is open I can take advantage that Groups.io includes a message number link that begins with # just prior to the message text.  You can keep jumping forward to the next number sign character to get yourself placed just prior to the actual message text once you've listened to the actual prior message, or part thereof.  It's a lot faster than listening for the reply, like, more, and additional links announced before the next message number link.

It is true, though, that in order to efficiently read virtually any online forum you'll have to have someone who can actually see the way the page is laid out, e.g., that message number link, to set up a plan of attack for future reading.  Obviously, this is not ideal.

There are subscription options that can only be configured via the web interface in the Advanced Preferences on any given group's Subscription page that can greatly decrease the amount of e-mail you get but still lets you get a sense of what's happening on the group.  The option to change Message Selection from getting all messages to instead get only messages for topics you're following, coupled with the checkbox with it to see first messages in any new topic as well, can cut down hugely on the volume of e-mail one receives from a given group. 

There is also another control related to Replies, which will automatically follow any message you either start yourself might reply to the first message, which pairs nicely with the above Message Selection criteria.

These settings also work in conjunction with digests if you're getting digests rather than actual individual messages.  They also work with Mute Topic so if you do choose to mute an individual topic, even if you were following it, you'll see no more of it.

There are just a lot of things that are too complicated to come up with e-mail control messages to set and unset that are available only via the web interface to my knowledge.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


Re: Any NVDA user(s) reading this group or any other via the Groups.io web interface?

 

Well, it looks like the Groups.io page for the messages in a given group, using topics view, is best and most efficiently read using the links list.

Once the links list is up you can use D three times to get to the date link and it's always three down arrows from there to get to the list of links that are interspersed topics and the user profiles of those who started each topic.  What I find most interesting is that once I open a topic, any topic, and use the backspace key to go back to the topics list page I can use up and down arrow to move through the topics/profiles (I wish I could avoid the profiles, but they're links, too) links using up or down arrow just as I would expect I could.  What I have not been successful in doing is getting NVDA to throw focus on to the first topic on the page without using the links list, getting to the Date link, then down arrowing three times to get to that first topic.  I can't seem to tab to it at all easily.

Once any given topic is open I can take advantage that Groups.io includes a message number link that begins with # just prior to the message text.  You can keep jumping forward to the next number sign character to get yourself placed just prior to the actual message text once you've listened to the actual prior message, or part thereof.  It's a lot faster than listening for the reply, like, more, and additional links announced before the next message number link.

It is true, though, that in order to efficiently read virtually any online forum you'll have to have someone who can actually see the way the page is laid out, e.g., that message number link, to set up a plan of attack for future reading.  Obviously, this is not ideal.

There are subscription options that can only be configured via the web interface in the Advanced Preferences on any given group's Subscription page that can greatly decrease the amount of e-mail you get but still lets you get a sense of what's happening on the group.  The option to change Message Selection from getting all messages to instead get only messages for topics you're following, coupled with the checkbox with it to see first messages in any new topic as well, can cut down hugely on the volume of e-mail one receives from a given group. 

There is also another control related to Replies, which will automatically follow any message you either start yourself might reply to the first message, which pairs nicely with the above Message Selection criteria.

These settings also work in conjunction with digests if you're getting digests rather than actual individual messages.  They also work with Mute Topic so if you do choose to mute an individual topic, even if you were following it, you'll see no more of it.

There are just a lot of things that are too complicated to come up with e-mail control messages to set and unset that are available only via the web interface to my knowledge.
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Re: re i am new to nvda can someone help?

Dejan Ristic
 

Let others express themselves, too.


On 12/19/2016 10:40 PM, Dejan Ristic wrote:

Let me join the conversation once more.


When the synthesizer dialogue is open, tab once to check which of the offered output devices is active. I do not say that it may be a problem, but I simply want to help. On laptops, when no headset is plugged in, you may choose between Microsoft sound mapper and speakers. But, when a headset is pluged in, there's the third device called Headphones.


I hope that your NVDA will start working for you.


On 12/19/2016 10:18 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
If you follow Dejan's suggestion, after pressing NVDA+control+s, "No speech" is the last option as you down arrow, so you could up arrow to get to something else.  The first option is "eSpeak NG".  Often not the favourite voice, but it should certainly speak.

The other way of resetting is to press NVDA+control+r three times quickly, which resets everything in NVDA to factory defaults.

Note that the NVDA key is usually insert, particularly on desktops, and may be caps lock, particularly on laptops).

If you have several programs which use speech installed, you may have other synthesizers.  It is best to avoid trying to choose those in NVDA unless you are sure they will work with it, as sometimes commercial programs will restrict the synthesizers you buy with them to only work with them.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 4:14 AM, Dejan Ristic <r.dejan83@...> wrote:

It may be that your synthesizer is set to the No speech option.


To check it, press: nvda PLUS CONTROL PLUS S. The synthesizer dialogue should appear. Try to find, for instance, ESpeak NG, and then press enter to try to make it speak.


NOTE:


If you are unable to do it yourself, either bring up another screen reader to assist you, or some sighted assistance.



Never have more than one screen reader turned on when you start your computer. They may have a conflict.
On 12/19/2016 10:05 AM, stewartross wrote:
hi i wonder if someone out there could help me
wenever i try to load nvda, i can't get the voice to work.
i thought i would install nvda, to see what is like also
as my jaws keeps crashing wen i am running outlook express seven with wiindows seven.
many thanks
 
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