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Re: Avast, Avira, AVG or Sophos?

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Gene:

You have a good point. In fact, I rthink that you are quite right I
never thought of the fact that one might become afraid to venture into
something new.

thanks for pointing that out.
Kevin

On 7/13/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
It is better to base opinions on facts as much as possible rather than
assuming or hoping based on a generalization unsupported by facts or
statistics. Assuming the worst can lead to not taking advantage of many
online opportunities because of fear not based on what facts indicate should
be one's attitude or approach.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin Huber
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Avast, Avira, AVG or Sophos?


Hi Antony:

I think you are right, but it is better to assume the worst and hope
for the best. That way, you are less likely to be taken by surprise.
Kevin Huber

On 7/13/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
This is a ridiculous comment.

It's true that some people's computers do get infected with viruses from
time
to time (and, of course, some organisations' networks get infected too),
but

to suggest that "all systems have or will have viruses on them at all
times"

is just ridiculous scare-mongering.


Antony.

On Thursday 13 July 2017 at 09:53:09, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its a given that the systems all systems have or will have viruses on
them at all times.
--
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How you use it is up to you.

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CC
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Re: NVDA problem with Browsers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well what I did when I found this was found a program on the Microsoft site called fixit which uninstalled Office correctly. In the case of the maths add in, I think all you can do there is to reinstall it, as I never had that one installed.

One thing to watch tythough are some of the more draconian registry cleaners or browsers with unusual names whicich install code with all the accessibility taken out.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers


brian.
may i ask whats the solution when we want to uninstall office program
and we dont want interfeer with using nvda?
thanks.

On 7/13/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes it could be any number of things changing the registry that cause it. I

think its inadequacies on the restoring of old files after a modified one
was in use, and then they forget to re register the old one when they
restore it. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers


hi.
i had this problem using nvda 2016.3
completely uninstalled and reinstalled nvda and the problem is solved for

me.
in that time, i uninstalled openoffice and maybe because of this, the
problem happened for me.

On 7/12/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Has he uninstalled any of the grottyware that comes with many new
machines,

especially any office products?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <mark@tafn.org.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers


Hi a friend
Has NVDA latest version with windows 10 64bit
Its a new PC just brought
And if he goes to any Browser ie firefox it just said on all pages
unknown
Can anyone shed any light on it
Mark.





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Re: Problems with Thunderbird 45

Gerardo Corripio
 

Weird! I've been using Thunderbird without problems since I first installed Thunderbird (I used to have Thunderbird portable 3.31) several months ago, with Thunderbird 45.7 I think it was. I'm now on Thunderbird latest, 52 something, continuing to work great!

El 13/07/2017 a las 10:14 a.m., nasrin khaksar escribió:
in which version of thunderbird, you did not have accessibility issues?

On 7/13/17, Arnþór Helgason <arnthor.helgason@gmail.com> wrote:
I may have missed this subject.
Since thunderbird 45 came around I have had constant problems. I only get
some information about what is new in Thunderbird and I can hear that some
emails arrive but I am unable to open them, send email and work with maps.
My only solution has been the Gmail software on the web.
What is the problem and can it be solved?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason


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Re: Problems with Thunderbird 45

 

in which version of thunderbird, you did not have accessibility issues?

On 7/13/17, Arnþór Helgason <arnthor.helgason@gmail.com> wrote:
I may have missed this subject.
Since thunderbird 45 came around I have had constant problems. I only get
some information about what is new in Thunderbird and I can hear that some
emails arrive but I am unable to open them, send email and work with maps.
My only solution has been the Gmail software on the web.
What is the problem and can it be solved?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason


--
Arnþór Helgason, vináttusendiherra, Formaður Kínversk-íslenska
menningarfélagsins,
Tjarnarbóli 14,
170 Seltjarnarnesi.
8973766
arnthor.helgason@simnet.is arnthor.helgason@gmail.com kim@kim.is
http://arnthorhelgason.blog.is http://hljod.blog.is

Arnthor Helgason,
Friendship Ambassador,
Chairman of The Icelandic Chinese Cultural Society,
Tjarnarbol 14,
170 Seltjarnarnes, Iceland.
(00354) 8973766
http://hljod.blog.is
http://arnthorhelgason.blog.is
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Problems with Thunderbird 45

Arnþór Helgason
 

I may have missed this subject.
Since thunderbird 45 came around I have had constant problems. I only get some information about what is new in Thunderbird and I can hear that some emails arrive but I am unable to open them, send email and work with maps. My only solution has been the Gmail software on the web.
What is the problem and can it be solved?

Best regards,
Arnthor Helgason


--
Arnþór Helgason, vináttusendiherra, Formaður Kínversk-íslenska menningarfélagsins,
Tjarnarbóli 14,
170 Seltjarnarnesi.
8973766
arnthor.helgason@... arnthor.helgason@... kim@...
http://arnthorhelgason.blog.is http://hljod.blog.is

Arnthor Helgason,
Friendship Ambassador,
Chairman of The Icelandic Chinese Cultural Society,
Tjarnarbol 14,
170 Seltjarnarnes, Iceland.
(00354) 8973766
http://hljod.blog.is
http://arnthorhelgason.blog.is


Re: Avast, Avira, AVG or Sophos?

Gene
 

It is better to base opinions on facts as much as possible rather than assuming or hoping based on a generalization unsupported by facts or statistics.  Assuming the worst can lead to not taking advantage of many online opportunities because of fear not based on what facts indicate should be one's attitude or approach.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Avast, Avira, AVG or Sophos?

Hi Antony:

I think you are right, but it is better to assume the worst and hope
for the best.  That way, you are less likely to be taken by surprise.
Kevin Huber

On 7/13/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:
> This is a ridiculous comment.
>
> It's true that some people's computers do get infected with viruses from
> time
> to time (and, of course, some organisations' networks get infected too), but
>
> to suggest that "all systems have or will have viruses on them at all times"
>
> is just ridiculous scare-mongering.
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Thursday 13 July 2017 at 09:53:09, Shaun Everiss wrote:
>
>> Its a given that the systems all systems have or will have viruses on
>> them at all times.
>
> --
> We all get the same amount of time - twenty-four hours per day.
> How you use it is up to you.
>
>                                                    Please reply to the
> list;
>                                                          please *don't* CC
> me.
>
>
>
>



Re: vlc nvda add on commands

Kevin Huber
 

Hi:

I think that the add-ons are also tested for malware before they are approved.
Kevin Huber

On 7/12/17, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi,


Don't be Leary of using the add ons. They enhance the functionality of
NVDA and believe me, make loads of things a lot easier to work with and
manage.

Tony
On 7/11/2017 4:00 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
thanks gene for understanding me and your clarification about your
previous comments about addons in this post and even previous ones!
God bless you!

On 7/11/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I know you didn't say that others shouldn't use add ons. I'm simply
telling
you that you are causing yourself a lot of inconvenience and
accessibility
problems by your refusal to use add ons.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 12:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc nvda add on commands


thanks hareth for your link.
i copied and saved it to study and learn.
gene,
i dont say to people dont use addon or not.
i only said my view point and idea to like only use nvda installer
file, nothing else.

On 7/10/17, Hareth <hareth4m@gmail.com> wrote:
This web page has a lot of VLC shortcut keys, it might help:
https://shortcutworld.com/en/VLC-Media-Player/win/all

TC

On 7/10/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I don't use VLC Player. I have it on my machine and I looked at
information
and played with the add on to get information but I haven't recorded
with
the player. Again, if you weren't so adamant about not using add ons,
despite the probably thousands of NVDA users who do without problems,
you
could tab around, hear information read, and you might well be able to
figure it out that way. And you might well get audio feedback when
you
take
actions such as start recording that you likely don't get without the
add
on.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 10:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc nvda add on commands


hi gene.
i realy needed shufle mode for my player and cant use player without
this feature!
i sincerely appreciate you because you thought me r for shufle and l
for loop playback.
can you also please explane me how to use audio capture in vlc?
this is the last feature in player which i need and use.
i wanted to sincerely appreciate you and divine infinite mercy i pray
for
you.

On 7/10/17, Tony Ballou <cyberpro224@outlook.com> wrote:
Hi Gene,


Lol! You got that right buddy! Some stuff will just have to be dug
for.


Tony

On 7/10/2017 10:15 AM, Gene wrote:
But many commands aren't in the menus. That's why I discussed how to
find
lists of short cut keys yesterday.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Tony Ballou<mailto:cyberpro224@outlook.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc nvda add on commands


Hi,


I did a similar search yesterday typing in the phrase VLC media
player
help
and they do have a wiki with all of their documentation there
including
a
table listing all of the available hot keys. Since it is an open
source
project, some of the writing is dated, I believe that one of the
files
was
last updated as far back as 2011 with no updates since then though.
The
program itself, uses the classic windows graphic user interface and
as
you
arrow through the menus, the corresponding keyboard shortcuts are
presented
to you so if push comes to shove, you can with a degree of patience
create
your own custom sheet tailored to your needs.


Tony




On 7/10/2017 8:28 AM, Gene wrote:

I didn't look for a tutorial. Do a Google search for VLC Media
Player
tutorial. You'll see whatever I would see. I haven't ever looked
for
one.
There is, evidently, a lot of help documentation on the web site but
I
haven't checked. But if you open help in the player, you are
referred
to
the web site. In the case of popular programs, there is often a good
deal
of material that has nothing to do with the web site. So don't do
searches
that specify the web site. Just search for something like VLC
tutorial.
You might also want to search for things like VLC help or VLC manual.
You
may get better results by using the phrase VLC Media Player before
what
you
are looking for.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nasrin khaksar<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 4:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc nvda add on commands

hi gene.
could you please send me the link documentation for using vlc?
i searched and loked for tutorial in there website, but unfortunately
could not find anything.

On 7/10/17, Tony Ballou
<cyberpro224@outlook.com<mailto:cyberpro224@outlook.com>> wrote:
Hey Gene,


Absolutely bro! Your talking gospel! It sure would make sense. It
felt
like I was having to be my own language translator when I first
started
using the program back in the day. I may have a list of the keyboard
shortcuts for the VLC media player around here somewhere. If so
I'll
put
them up.


tony

On 7/9/2017 3:50 PM, Gene wrote:
There are no commands specifically for the ad on. the add on
announces
things that occurred before but without speech so you didn't know
that
anything was happening or if you did, you had to memorize or guess
what.
After the add on is installed open VLC player and tab. You will tab
through
lots of items. To change the state of an item, press enter on it.
The
space bar doesn't do anything. Letters that are short cut commands
take
actions which are announced. I don't think the commands you can
control
by
short cut commands are in addition to those you can perform by
tabbing.
I
think they are some of the same commands. I don't know how many are
provided. If you get a list of short cuts for VLC Player, you can
try
various letter shortcuts. One of them, for example, is shuffle on
and
off.
The letter r controls this command. In the list of short cuts, this
is
described as random. Wouldn't it be nice if VLC player
documentation
used
the English language as we know it? The generally accepted name for
the
command is not random, but shuffle.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Andre Fisher<mailto:andrefisher729@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2017 2:34 PM
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io%3Cmailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Subject: Re: [nvda] vlc nvda add on commands

Where have you looked?

On 7/9/17, Tony Ballou
<cyberpro224@outlook.com<mailto:cyberpro224@outlook.com<mailto:cyberpro224@outlook.com%3Cmailto:cyberpro224@outlook.com>>>
wrote:
howdy,,


There's a tutorial on using the VLC Media player add on at the
following
website

www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda<http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda<http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%3Chttp://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda>>

Hope this helps.


Tony


On 7/9/2017 1:53 PM, The Wolf wrote:
Hello where in the vlc add on do you go to find the list of
commands
and how to use the add on? when looking I can't seem to find any
info
on how to use the add on

Hank







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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






Re: Avast, Avira, AVG or Sophos?

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Antony:

I think you are right, but it is better to assume the worst and hope
for the best. That way, you are less likely to be taken by surprise.
Kevin Huber

On 7/13/17, Antony Stone <antony.stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:
This is a ridiculous comment.

It's true that some people's computers do get infected with viruses from
time
to time (and, of course, some organisations' networks get infected too), but

to suggest that "all systems have or will have viruses on them at all times"

is just ridiculous scare-mongering.


Antony.

On Thursday 13 July 2017 at 09:53:09, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Its a given that the systems all systems have or will have viruses on
them at all times.
--
We all get the same amount of time - twenty-four hours per day.
How you use it is up to you.

Please reply to the
list;
please *don't* CC
me.




Re: NVDA In-Process 13th July 2017

John Hedges
 

Running old versions is certainly not optimal. Release versions of Windows 10, such as creator update are better.

 

The latest snapshot still has some silence pauses after first running up Mail or Edge the first time.

 

John


Re: NVDA In-Process 13th July 2017

Gene
 

You can only use built in OCR support if you run Windows 10, which you don't.  You will either have to use the add on or not have the feature. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA In-Process 13th July 2017

what should i do?
i could not test it because of this message.
i just tried to activate download link.
how many mb is nvda next version with ocr support?
the best version of firefox for me is version 52 which is the last
version which supports xp!


On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Off the top of my head, I'm not sure when different browsers added support
> for various ARIA elements, however, I would strongly recommend that
> whichever browser you choose to use, you keep it up to date.  So many
> different types of malware and other attacks exploit vulnerabilities in
> both older operating systems and older software, particularly browsers.
>
> Re downloading snapshots, for each, it lists the version, the date / time
> and a download link.  For example, the latest Next build is:
>
> 14189,16d28e60 Wed Jul 12 07:50:38 2017 Download
>
> Skip the number part and go across to the word "download" and activate that
> link, that will download the executable file, ready for you to use.  The
> link on the version number takes you to Appveryor, which is the tool we use
> to automate builds.   The information on that first link is really more for
> the programmers than the users.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:07 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> wrote:
>
>> hi.
>> thanks extremely for your reply.
>> about aria placeholder, grid, current and other types, do we require
>> to use recent versions of browsers to use them and benefit?
>> or we can have them in all versions of browser and only nvda support
>> is needed that became available!
>> when i use nvda 2017.2, i did not observe any previous versions of
>> nvda which dont have support for aria current.
>> for this reason, i ask about the version of browser? is it important or
>> not?
>> yes.
>> i always get error, and its never possible for me that download
>> snapshot versions of nvda: including master, next or anything else
>> that i dont know.
>> when i press enter on download links for them, nvda just says AppVeyor
>> which is the link that i dont understand!
>> if i enter on this link, nothing happenes.
>> could you please send me whats new and user guide for nvda 2017.3
>> privately?
>> also may i ask that how many mb is nvda version which includes support
>> for ocr for windows ten users?
>>
>> On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> > Hi Nasrin,
>> >
>> > ARIA properties allow web developers to provide accessibility
>> > information
>> > for new types of controls.  ARIA Live Regions are an example of these,
>> > where parts of a web page may update automatically, for instance to
>> provide
>> > constantly updated information on something.  ARIA is used to tell the
>> > screen reader things like which parts of the page need to be read as
>> > they
>> > are updated and which should be ignored.  In the case of ARIA
>> placeholder,
>> > it is a little bit like a label, which might give the screen reader
>> > more
>> > information about a particular control.  ARIA grid is a way of
>> representing
>> > tabular data.  There are many ARIA features which on the surface seem
>> > to
>> > replicate traditional HTML elements, and where all you need can be done
>> > with a traditional HTML element, it is better to use those.
>> >
>> > For the most part, the average user doesn't need to know a lot about
>> ARIA,
>> > although, I did mention it right up the top of the post, so good
>> > question
>> > to ask!
>> >
>> > eSpeak, as with most things, is updated from time to time by its
>> > developers.  Where possible, we try to include a relatively recent
>> version
>> > with NVDA.  We updated to one newer build awhile ago because it
>> > improved
>> > pronunciation for Italian.  With this one, it fixes a problem some
>> > users
>> > had with words being clipped or cut off.  So with updates like that,
>> > some
>> > users may not notice any difference at all while for others, it is a
>> > huge
>> > improvement.
>> >
>> > Re getting an error downloading the latest snapshots, what error are
>> > you
>> > getting (and what browser)?  I just tried here and could download both
>> the
>> > latest next and the latest master builds and both work fine for me now.
>> > Possible it was a temporary glitch.  If you still get the error, let me
>> > know.
>> >
>> > I did see your other e-mail re the spelling?  There is another piece of
>> > work which will essentially let you do the same thing, so that should
>> > resolve that issue for you.  The work hasn't started yet so I can't
>> > tell
>> > you how long it will take.
>> >
>> > Kind regards
>> >
>> > Quentin.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:27 PM, nasrin khaksar <
>> nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> hello quentin.
>> >> i read the post and sincerely appreciate you.
>> >> i did not understand about aria placeHolder and aria grid.
>> >> whats the different between new espeak and current one?
>> >> could you please send me entire whats new of nvda?
>> >> i cant download and test snapshots and my browser gives error!
>> >> thanks for your help and God bless you!
>> >> also did you read the rest of my previous email?
>> >> i am waiting for your reply and help.
>> >>
>> >> On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> >> > Hi everyone,
>> >> >
>> >> > The latest In-Process is out!
>> >> >
>> >> > ARIA-Placeholder, new OCR functionality, contracted Braille input
>> >> > and
>> >> > updated eSpeak NG.  All this and more (including just a little bit
>> >> > of
>> >> > Hollywood) in this week's In-Process!
>> >> >
>> >> > https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-13th-july-2017/
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards
>> >> >
>> >> > Quentin.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Quentin Christensen
>> >> > Training and Support Manager
>> >> >
>> >> > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> >> > available:
>> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >> >
>> >> > Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> >> > www.nvaccess.org
>> >> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> >> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> >> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> >> in the very authentic narration is:
>> >> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> >> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> >> al-islam.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Quentin Christensen
>> > Training and Support Manager
>> >
>> > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> > available:
>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >
>> > Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> > www.nvaccess.org
>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: NVDA problem with Browsers

Gene
 

That's only the best solution if you don't need or want to use the program.  Considering the potential consequences, unless I have an image of the drive so I could restore proper functionality, I wouldn't take such a chance.  While I'm not sure of this, I believe I saw comments here from one or more Windows users who, after uninstalling office, had to put a new installation of Windows on their machines.  I believe one person tried system restore and that didn't correct the problem.  they must not have had a drive image and it appears that one or more people who have discussed this have had to reinstall everything.  There are some things that are better left alone.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 8:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers

i think that the best solution for me is not installing office program
in the first time!
i uninstalled with geek uninstaller free version and scanned and
deleted files remained in the registry and nvda works correctly.

On 7/13/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> The solution is not to uninstall it.  Programs don't take much room and if
> you are so low on disk space that having office installed is causing
> problems due to lack of space, it's past time to get an external USB hard
> drive.
>
> I also believe I saw a message on this subject yesterday that said that
> registering the dlls solved the problem after Office was uninstalled.  Don't
> count on it and don't uninstall office believing that you can solve the
> problem that way.  My recollection is that I've seen messages from others
> saying that the registration procedure didn't solve the problem.  There are
> some things that should just be left alone.
>
> I'll add that I don't know if a different uninstallation program might
> uninstall Office and not cause problems so there may be a solution  But I
> wouldn't do it until I saw many reports from people running the version of
> office I had with the version of Windows I had with the uninstaller that
> reported no bad effects.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: nasrin khaksar
> Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:09 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers
>
>
> brian.
> may i ask whats the solution when we want to uninstall office program
> and we dont want interfeer with using nvda?
> thanks.
>
> On 7/13/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists@...> wrote:
>> Yes it could be any number of things changing the registry that cause it.
>> I
>>
>> think its inadequacies on the restoring of old files after  a modified
>> one
>> was in use, and then they forget to re register the old one when they
>> restore it. Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal email to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 5:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers
>>
>>
>>> hi.
>>> i had this problem using nvda 2016.3
>>> completely uninstalled and reinstalled nvda and the problem is solved
>>> for
>>>
>>> me.
>>> in that time, i uninstalled openoffice and maybe because of this, the
>>> problem happened for me.
>>>
>>> On 7/12/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>> <bglists@...> wrote:
>>>> Has he uninstalled any of the grottyware that comes with many new
>>>> machines,
>>>>
>>>> especially any office products?
>>>>  Brian
>>>>
>>>> bglists@...
>>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>>> in the display name field.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Mark" <mark@...>
>>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 7:07 PM
>>>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi a friend
>>>> Has NVDA latest version with windows 10 64bit
>>>> Its a new PC just brought
>>>> And if he goes to any Browser ie firefox it just said on all pages
>>>> unknown
>>>> Can anyone shed any light on it
>>>> Mark.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>>> in the very authentic narration is:
>>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>> al-islam.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
> in the very authentic narration is:
> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
> al-islam.org
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: NVDA In-Process 13th July 2017

 

what should i do?
i could not test it because of this message.
i just tried to activate download link.
how many mb is nvda next version with ocr support?
the best version of firefox for me is version 52 which is the last
version which supports xp!

On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Off the top of my head, I'm not sure when different browsers added support
for various ARIA elements, however, I would strongly recommend that
whichever browser you choose to use, you keep it up to date. So many
different types of malware and other attacks exploit vulnerabilities in
both older operating systems and older software, particularly browsers.

Re downloading snapshots, for each, it lists the version, the date / time
and a download link. For example, the latest Next build is:

14189,16d28e60 Wed Jul 12 07:50:38 2017 Download

Skip the number part and go across to the word "download" and activate that
link, that will download the executable file, ready for you to use. The
link on the version number takes you to Appveryor, which is the tool we use
to automate builds. The information on that first link is really more for
the programmers than the users.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:07 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

hi.
thanks extremely for your reply.
about aria placeholder, grid, current and other types, do we require
to use recent versions of browsers to use them and benefit?
or we can have them in all versions of browser and only nvda support
is needed that became available!
when i use nvda 2017.2, i did not observe any previous versions of
nvda which dont have support for aria current.
for this reason, i ask about the version of browser? is it important or
not?
yes.
i always get error, and its never possible for me that download
snapshot versions of nvda: including master, next or anything else
that i dont know.
when i press enter on download links for them, nvda just says AppVeyor
which is the link that i dont understand!
if i enter on this link, nothing happenes.
could you please send me whats new and user guide for nvda 2017.3
privately?
also may i ask that how many mb is nvda version which includes support
for ocr for windows ten users?

On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,

ARIA properties allow web developers to provide accessibility
information
for new types of controls. ARIA Live Regions are an example of these,
where parts of a web page may update automatically, for instance to
provide
constantly updated information on something. ARIA is used to tell the
screen reader things like which parts of the page need to be read as
they
are updated and which should be ignored. In the case of ARIA
placeholder,
it is a little bit like a label, which might give the screen reader
more
information about a particular control. ARIA grid is a way of
representing
tabular data. There are many ARIA features which on the surface seem
to
replicate traditional HTML elements, and where all you need can be done
with a traditional HTML element, it is better to use those.

For the most part, the average user doesn't need to know a lot about
ARIA,
although, I did mention it right up the top of the post, so good
question
to ask!

eSpeak, as with most things, is updated from time to time by its
developers. Where possible, we try to include a relatively recent
version
with NVDA. We updated to one newer build awhile ago because it
improved
pronunciation for Italian. With this one, it fixes a problem some
users
had with words being clipped or cut off. So with updates like that,
some
users may not notice any difference at all while for others, it is a
huge
improvement.

Re getting an error downloading the latest snapshots, what error are
you
getting (and what browser)? I just tried here and could download both
the
latest next and the latest master builds and both work fine for me now.
Possible it was a temporary glitch. If you still get the error, let me
know.

I did see your other e-mail re the spelling? There is another piece of
work which will essentially let you do the same thing, so that should
resolve that issue for you. The work hasn't started yet so I can't
tell
you how long it will take.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:27 PM, nasrin khaksar <
nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

hello quentin.
i read the post and sincerely appreciate you.
i did not understand about aria placeHolder and aria grid.
whats the different between new espeak and current one?
could you please send me entire whats new of nvda?
i cant download and test snapshots and my browser gives error!
thanks for your help and God bless you!
also did you read the rest of my previous email?
i am waiting for your reply and help.

On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,

The latest In-Process is out!

ARIA-Placeholder, new OCR functionality, contracted Braille input
and
updated eSpeak NG. All this and more (including just a little bit
of
Hollywood) in this week's In-Process!

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-13th-july-2017/

Regards

Quentin.

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA problem with Browsers

 

i think that the best solution for me is not installing office program
in the first time!
i uninstalled with geek uninstaller free version and scanned and
deleted files remained in the registry and nvda works correctly.

On 7/13/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
The solution is not to uninstall it. Programs don't take much room and if
you are so low on disk space that having office installed is causing
problems due to lack of space, it's past time to get an external USB hard
drive.

I also believe I saw a message on this subject yesterday that said that
registering the dlls solved the problem after Office was uninstalled. Don't
count on it and don't uninstall office believing that you can solve the
problem that way. My recollection is that I've seen messages from others
saying that the registration procedure didn't solve the problem. There are
some things that should just be left alone.

I'll add that I don't know if a different uninstallation program might
uninstall Office and not cause problems so there may be a solution But I
wouldn't do it until I saw many reports from people running the version of
office I had with the version of Windows I had with the uninstaller that
reported no bad effects.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers


brian.
may i ask whats the solution when we want to uninstall office program
and we dont want interfeer with using nvda?
thanks.

On 7/13/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes it could be any number of things changing the registry that cause it.
I

think its inadequacies on the restoring of old files after a modified
one
was in use, and then they forget to re register the old one when they
restore it. Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers


hi.
i had this problem using nvda 2016.3
completely uninstalled and reinstalled nvda and the problem is solved
for

me.
in that time, i uninstalled openoffice and maybe because of this, the
problem happened for me.

On 7/12/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Has he uninstalled any of the grottyware that comes with many new
machines,

especially any office products?
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <mark@tafn.org.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers


Hi a friend
Has NVDA latest version with windows 10 64bit
Its a new PC just brought
And if he goes to any Browser ie firefox it just said on all pages
unknown
Can anyone shed any light on it
Mark.





--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: NVDA problem with Browsers

Gene
 

The solution is not to uninstall it.  Programs don't take much room and if you are so low on disk space that having office installed is causing problems due to lack of space, it's past time to get an external USB hard drive. 
 
I also believe I saw a message on this subject yesterday that said that registering the dlls solved the problem after Office was uninstalled.  Don't count on it and don't uninstall office believing that you can solve the problem that way.  My recollection is that I've seen messages from others saying that the registration procedure didn't solve the problem.  There are some things that should just be left alone. 
 
I'll add that I don't know if a different uninstallation program might uninstall Office and not cause problems so there may be a solution  But I wouldn't do it until I saw many reports from people running the version of office I had with the version of Windows I had with the uninstaller that reported no bad effects.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers

brian.
may i ask whats the solution when we want to uninstall office program
and we dont want interfeer with using nvda?
thanks.

On 7/13/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> Yes it could be any number of things changing the registry that cause it. I
>
> think its inadequacies on the restoring of old files after  a modified one
> was in use, and then they forget to re register the old one when they
> restore it. Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers
>
>
>> hi.
>> i had this problem using nvda 2016.3
>> completely uninstalled and reinstalled nvda and the problem is solved for
>>
>> me.
>> in that time, i uninstalled openoffice and maybe because of this, the
>> problem happened for me.
>>
>> On 7/12/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>> <bglists@...> wrote:
>>> Has he uninstalled any of the grottyware that comes with many new
>>> machines,
>>>
>>> especially any office products?
>>>  Brian
>>>
>>> bglists@...
>>> Sent via blueyonder.
>>> Please address personal email to:-
>>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>> in the display name field.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mark" <mark@...>
>>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 7:07 PM
>>> Subject: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi a friend
>>> Has NVDA latest version with windows 10 64bit
>>> Its a new PC just brought
>>> And if he goes to any Browser ie firefox it just said on all pages
>>> unknown
>>> Can anyone shed any light on it
>>> Mark.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org



Re: NVDA In-Process 13th July 2017

Quentin Christensen
 

Off the top of my head, I'm not sure when different browsers added support for various ARIA elements, however, I would strongly recommend that whichever browser you choose to use, you keep it up to date.  So many different types of malware and other attacks exploit vulnerabilities in both older operating systems and older software, particularly browsers.

Re downloading snapshots, for each, it lists the version, the date / time and a download link.  For example, the latest Next build is:

14189,16d28e60 Wed Jul 12 07:50:38 2017 Download

Skip the number part and go across to the word "download" and activate that link, that will download the executable file, ready for you to use.  The link on the version number takes you to Appveryor, which is the tool we use to automate builds.   The information on that first link is really more for the programmers than the users.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:07 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi.
thanks extremely for your reply.
about aria placeholder, grid, current and other types, do we require
to use recent versions of browsers to use them and benefit?
or we can have them in all versions of browser and only nvda support
is needed that became available!
when i use nvda 2017.2, i did not observe any previous versions of
nvda which dont have support for aria current.
for this reason, i ask about the version of browser? is it important or not?
yes.
i always get error, and its never possible for me that download
snapshot versions of nvda: including master, next or anything else
that i dont know.
when i press enter on download links for them, nvda just says AppVeyor
which is the link that i dont understand!
if i enter on this link, nothing happenes.
could you please send me whats new and user guide for nvda 2017.3 privately?
also may i ask that how many mb is nvda version which includes support
for ocr for windows ten users?

On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi Nasrin,
>
> ARIA properties allow web developers to provide accessibility information
> for new types of controls.  ARIA Live Regions are an example of these,
> where parts of a web page may update automatically, for instance to provide
> constantly updated information on something.  ARIA is used to tell the
> screen reader things like which parts of the page need to be read as they
> are updated and which should be ignored.  In the case of ARIA placeholder,
> it is a little bit like a label, which might give the screen reader more
> information about a particular control.  ARIA grid is a way of representing
> tabular data.  There are many ARIA features which on the surface seem to
> replicate traditional HTML elements, and where all you need can be done
> with a traditional HTML element, it is better to use those.
>
> For the most part, the average user doesn't need to know a lot about ARIA,
> although, I did mention it right up the top of the post, so good question
> to ask!
>
> eSpeak, as with most things, is updated from time to time by its
> developers.  Where possible, we try to include a relatively recent version
> with NVDA.  We updated to one newer build awhile ago because it improved
> pronunciation for Italian.  With this one, it fixes a problem some users
> had with words being clipped or cut off.  So with updates like that, some
> users may not notice any difference at all while for others, it is a huge
> improvement.
>
> Re getting an error downloading the latest snapshots, what error are you
> getting (and what browser)?  I just tried here and could download both the
> latest next and the latest master builds and both work fine for me now.
> Possible it was a temporary glitch.  If you still get the error, let me
> know.
>
> I did see your other e-mail re the spelling?  There is another piece of
> work which will essentially let you do the same thing, so that should
> resolve that issue for you.  The work hasn't started yet so I can't tell
> you how long it will take.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:27 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...>
> wrote:
>
>> hello quentin.
>> i read the post and sincerely appreciate you.
>> i did not understand about aria placeHolder and aria grid.
>> whats the different between new espeak and current one?
>> could you please send me entire whats new of nvda?
>> i cant download and test snapshots and my browser gives error!
>> thanks for your help and God bless you!
>> also did you read the rest of my previous email?
>> i am waiting for your reply and help.
>>
>> On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>> > Hi everyone,
>> >
>> > The latest In-Process is out!
>> >
>> > ARIA-Placeholder, new OCR functionality, contracted Braille input and
>> > updated eSpeak NG.  All this and more (including just a little bit of
>> > Hollywood) in this week's In-Process!
>> >
>> > https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-13th-july-2017/
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > Quentin.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Quentin Christensen
>> > Training and Support Manager
>> >
>> > Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>> > available:
>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>> >
>> > Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> > www.nvaccess.org
>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
>> holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
>> in the very authentic narration is:
>> imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
>> best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>> al-islam.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Trying NVDA Version: master-14175,caeb1923

 

please test and help me even off list.
i wish that know about new features, but my browser gives error and
could not test.
i specially wish that know about using nvda 17.3 in firefox.
because firefox is the only program that i use all the times!
i waite for your help and guide about nvda 17.3

On 7/13/17, David Moore <jesusloves1966@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
I am trying out NVDA snap shot Version: master-14175,caeb1923 This came out
on July 11, so I will let you know how this works compared to NVDA version
2017.2
David Moore
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Re: NVDA problem with Browsers

 

brian.
may i ask whats the solution when we want to uninstall office program
and we dont want interfeer with using nvda?
thanks.

On 7/13/17, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Yes it could be any number of things changing the registry that cause it. I

think its inadequacies on the restoring of old files after a modified one
was in use, and then they forget to re register the old one when they
restore it. Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "nasrin khaksar" <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2017 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers


hi.
i had this problem using nvda 2016.3
completely uninstalled and reinstalled nvda and the problem is solved for

me.
in that time, i uninstalled openoffice and maybe because of this, the
problem happened for me.

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Has he uninstalled any of the grottyware that comes with many new
machines,

especially any office products?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark" <mark@tafn.org.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 7:07 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA problem with Browsers


Hi a friend
Has NVDA latest version with windows 10 64bit
Its a new PC just brought
And if he goes to any Browser ie firefox it just said on all pages
unknown
Can anyone shed any light on it
Mark.





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Re: NVDA In-Process 13th July 2017

 

hi.
thanks extremely for your reply.
about aria placeholder, grid, current and other types, do we require
to use recent versions of browsers to use them and benefit?
or we can have them in all versions of browser and only nvda support
is needed that became available!
when i use nvda 2017.2, i did not observe any previous versions of
nvda which dont have support for aria current.
for this reason, i ask about the version of browser? is it important or not?
yes.
i always get error, and its never possible for me that download
snapshot versions of nvda: including master, next or anything else
that i dont know.
when i press enter on download links for them, nvda just says AppVeyor
which is the link that i dont understand!
if i enter on this link, nothing happenes.
could you please send me whats new and user guide for nvda 2017.3 privately?
also may i ask that how many mb is nvda version which includes support
for ocr for windows ten users?

On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Nasrin,

ARIA properties allow web developers to provide accessibility information
for new types of controls. ARIA Live Regions are an example of these,
where parts of a web page may update automatically, for instance to provide
constantly updated information on something. ARIA is used to tell the
screen reader things like which parts of the page need to be read as they
are updated and which should be ignored. In the case of ARIA placeholder,
it is a little bit like a label, which might give the screen reader more
information about a particular control. ARIA grid is a way of representing
tabular data. There are many ARIA features which on the surface seem to
replicate traditional HTML elements, and where all you need can be done
with a traditional HTML element, it is better to use those.

For the most part, the average user doesn't need to know a lot about ARIA,
although, I did mention it right up the top of the post, so good question
to ask!

eSpeak, as with most things, is updated from time to time by its
developers. Where possible, we try to include a relatively recent version
with NVDA. We updated to one newer build awhile ago because it improved
pronunciation for Italian. With this one, it fixes a problem some users
had with words being clipped or cut off. So with updates like that, some
users may not notice any difference at all while for others, it is a huge
improvement.

Re getting an error downloading the latest snapshots, what error are you
getting (and what browser)? I just tried here and could download both the
latest next and the latest master builds and both work fine for me now.
Possible it was a temporary glitch. If you still get the error, let me
know.

I did see your other e-mail re the spelling? There is another piece of
work which will essentially let you do the same thing, so that should
resolve that issue for you. The work hasn't started yet so I can't tell
you how long it will take.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 3:27 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>
wrote:

hello quentin.
i read the post and sincerely appreciate you.
i did not understand about aria placeHolder and aria grid.
whats the different between new espeak and current one?
could you please send me entire whats new of nvda?
i cant download and test snapshots and my browser gives error!
thanks for your help and God bless you!
also did you read the rest of my previous email?
i am waiting for your reply and help.

On 7/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,

The latest In-Process is out!

ARIA-Placeholder, new OCR functionality, contracted Braille input and
updated eSpeak NG. All this and more (including just a little bit of
Hollywood) in this week's In-Process!

https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-13th-july-2017/

Regards

Quentin.

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--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
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holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
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al-islam.org


Using the latest version of spotify?

Matt Turner
 

Has anyone figured out the new version of spotify?

I can't seem to see all my albums, just something about a grid.

Also, does anyone subscribe to google play music?

I'm thinking of going that rout.


Re: NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

David Moore
 

Thanks a lot, Gene!

I have them. I can’t wait to listen to them to see if there is something that you say that I have not known.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene New Zealand
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 4:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

 

Recently updated on accessibilitycentral.net

New Added new page called  How to use the Windows 10 store with the NVDA screen reader (off the NVDA tutorials for other programs page). http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

There is both a written and audio tutorial.

 

Regards
Gene NZ

 

 

 

On 7/10/2017 8:33 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Recently updated to http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/:

New notification from autoplay USB drive, “select what happens with removable drives” message; and
NVDA says “unknown” or “pane” in all of your browsers, Mozilla Thunderbird email client and other places (on the NVDA Audio tutorials page). Please find the link as follows
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html

Gene NZ

On 6/23/2017 6:13 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

hi guys

 

 

RECENTLY UPDATED to Accessibilitycentral.net

 

 

Adding a Windows OneCore TTS voice to your PC in Windows 10 http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20windows%2010.html

 

New: Added new page called How to use the free YouTube Downloader program with NVDA (a link off the NVDA tutorials for other programs page) http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

 

Gene nz

 

 

 

On 6/2/2017 7:50 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

Hi guys

RECENTLY UPDATED to accessibilitycentral.net

Added information on the NVDA expert exam (link to the list of certified experts, and to where you can sit the exam) to all NVDA related pages.


Added link to Switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA tutorial (by Gene Asner) to the Migrating to NVDA from another screen reader page.

Gene NZ

 

On 31/05/2017 2:53 AM, Sally Kiebdaj wrote:

Hello all

 

Thank you for compiling these and especially for highlighting the transition from another screen reader tutorials. 

 

As one of those longtime window-eyes users having to switch, I definitely have more than jitters and appreciate the inclusion of window-eyes references in some of these tutorials. 

 

Are there any other window-eyes related posts or threads I should know about?

 

Thank you again for this!

Sally 

 

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi guys

It is Gene NZ (who is putting together the AccessibilityCentral.net
website). It is a blindness related website where I also post both
written and audio tutorials for the NVDA screen reader, along with other
blindness related material.

These are fairly easy to follow, (that is they are step by step
instructions) and for a desktop computer.
They are basically, to get a new user of NVDA up and running.

At present, any that are written are identified under a heading on the
main AccessibilityCentral.net homepage of the website. The heading is
called pages recently updated, and they are listed below this heading or
put onto my AccessibilityCentral.net Facebook page.

Recently updated:  How to show or hide columns in your Mozilla
Thunderbird email header (changes made)
http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html


New: Added new page called Migrating to NVDA from another screen reader
for both a desktop and laptop user (new link added to all NVDA related
pages
http://accessibilitycentral.net/Migrating%20from%20other%20screen%20readers%20to%20the%20NVDA%20screen%20reader.html).


I will add more tutorials to this thread as they are written up.

Gene NZ

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

 

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.