Computer advisors I trust say that Defender isn't as good as other good programs.  There is a debate about whether and to what extent this matters because, evidently, Microsoft says that Defender will protect against malware that users are likely to encounter.  I expect that if you look for information in places like PC World, Kim Komando, Life Hacker, and other reputable advisors, that many of them will say that it's better to use something else. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus

I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people who
get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware folk
and the anti virus software writers.

Brian

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From: "Brenda" <bjnite@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus


> Plese don't take this conversation off list.
>
>
> I'm glad you shared this to the list.  It is very valuable to know
> accessible virus programs.  I don't see how this could be construed as
> advertising.
>
>
> I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
> installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
> screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
> about this.  After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
> viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.
>
>
> I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
> work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
> folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.
>
>
> thanks for sharing.
>
>
> brenda
>
>
> On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
>> Hello,
>> the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test
>> period.
>> It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
>> definition of malware including adware and spyware.
>> Here is the link:
>> http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
>> So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
>> discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
>> construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
>> Kind regards,
>> Felix
>>
>> Casey <cwollner@... <mailto:cwollner@...>> schrieb am Di.,
>> 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
>>
>>     Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
>>     Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
>>     And how easy is it to set up and install?
>>     Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
>>     *From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>>     Hi!
>>     I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
>>     unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
>>     like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
>>     analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
>>     the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
>>     far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
>>     Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
>>     find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
>>     Greetings,
>>     Felix
>>     Chris <chrismedley@...
>>     <mailto:chrismedley@...>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
>>     um 21:25 Uhr:
>>
>>         Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
>>         don’t need any other anti virus program
>>
>>         And its accessible
>>
>>
>>
>>     Casey
>>
>>
>
>

Hi!

I mostly agree. The irony is that some of the people who sneak adware onto your drive are exactly those people you trust with the job of protecting you from adware. In that respect I found the following article enlightening:
http://blog.emsisoft.com/2015/01/17/has-the-antivirus-industry-gone-mad/

It's old news but even more valid today.

Kind regards,

Felix

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> schrieb am Do., 16. März 2017 um 11:59 Uhr:

Sadly I do think some of those malware makers have gotten greedy.
Its why I like msse or a bare bones no frills you get what you see kind
of deal.
 From avg that seems to collect info to sell to others that load extras
so they can send adds at you, to software, slowing your system like
norton, to extras you neither want or need.
There is the accessibility issues to mind you to.
Worse are the false alarms.
I have had programs, in one case games that the system had been using
for ages but were suddenly malware.
I have heard horror stories with people's screen readers being
classified as viruses and all double extention files being classified as
viruses.
While thats generally not a problem if you need to use these  for say
file conversion it can get messy.
The worst one is when bits of windows itself, and or drivers became
false alarms.
I have heard stories that people had to reformat because of their
security software.
Msse is not that though it did detect a bunch of games as viruses.
It leaves me alone till there is a virus and then it tells me.
After several issues with one of the users on one of the boxes with 10
on, I am seriously thinking about using sophos home.
The main reason ofcause is that its supposed to be full cloud protection
and as long as the system is connected I in theory should be able to
access the configs from the website which seems accessible enough.
It seems to be no frills.
I am just waiting for win10 next release before I decide.
On the other hand, I may continue using msse, once 7 goes, I will have
to go to 10 which uses defender which is supposed to be ok but does
sadly have crazy notifications from  time to time.
Its going to an app is making me think about the switch though since I
will have to handle it on 2 units not under my sophos plan I may or may
not just get used to that.
The 2 systems mine and another workstation that use 7 are at least 6
years old or even 7 in the old server's case.
And part of me wants to wait till those die.
Msse is not the best, and as long as sophos doesn't get greedy it may be
a contender.
I was going to get vipre lifetime till I heard that you can only
activate it once and if you reformat or the hardware fails you need to
buy another licence for the machine in question which defeats the
purpose of even having a licence for it in the first place may as well
use msse.
And no, Even if it was that good, I am not going to crack it simply
because the way those that make vipre with comments on their lifetime
licence kind of goes against the grain.
It was why I eventually switched to 7zip.
Winzip required me to buy an entirely new licence every time I got a new
version.
I thought bother that rather crack it its the way to go.
But when 7zip came along I was like go away and don't ever come back!
If sophos doesn't have unwanted software and doesn't go greedy then I
just may push for it.
Its a pitty they don't have a home pro or small business version for
lifetime use else I'd buy that.
Fact is after experiences with avira, avg 9, norton, and mcaffee when
msse came along I was about ready to just remove all antivirus software.
Avast was also out of the question with capchas in it and other junk.
My thrust of using a barebones is I want it to find viruses and kill
them, I want it to tell me in case the file is false and I can easily
report or exclude it and report it to the right place.
I do not want slowed down systems, inaccessible interfaces, unwanted
software, spying or other things for no reason.
The government spies on us to watch out for bad guys and to make sure we
are safe.
I have accepted to that.
But I don't really want hastles.
I also want whatever it is to be long term and not short term like a
year or 2 before it dies which was what was happening.
Msse has maintained most of what I want   bar its protection but it
appears the latest defender is starting to chuck eronious messages and
with one of my parents randomly clicking things while thinking they are
something else I am looking at sophos again.
As long as its easy to remove devices when they die or if I have to
change or replace things when they are needed thats fine.



On 16/03/2017 10:30 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people
> who get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware
> folk and the anti virus software writers.
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>
>
>> Plese don't take this conversation off list.
>>
>>
>> I'm glad you shared this to the list.  It is very valuable to know
>> accessible virus programs.  I don't see how this could be construed as
>> advertising.
>>
>>
>> I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
>> installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
>> screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
>> about this.  After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
>> viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.
>>
>>
>> I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
>> work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
>> folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.
>>
>>
>> thanks for sharing.
>>
>>
>> brenda
>>
>>
>> On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test
>>> period.
>>> It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
>>> definition of malware including adware and spyware.
>>> Here is the link:
>>> http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
>>> So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
>>> discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
>>> construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> Casey <cwollner@... <mailto:cwollner@...>> schrieb am Di.,
>>> 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
>>>
>>>     Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
>>>     Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
>>>     And how easy is it to set up and install?
>>>     Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
>>>     *From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>>>     Hi!
>>>     I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
>>>     unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
>>>     like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
>>>     analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
>>>     the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
>>>     far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
>>>     Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
>>>     find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
>>>     Greetings,
>>>     Felix
>>>     Chris <chrismedley@...
>>>     <mailto:chrismedley@...>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
>>>     um 21:25 Uhr:
>>>
>>>         Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
>>>         don’t need any other anti virus program
>>>
>>>         And its accessible
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Casey
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

Sadly I do think some of those malware makers have gotten greedy.
Its why I like msse or a bare bones no frills you get what you see kind
of deal.
 From avg that seems to collect info to sell to others that load extras
so they can send adds at you, to software, slowing your system like
norton, to extras you neither want or need.
There is the accessibility issues to mind you to.
Worse are the false alarms.
I have had programs, in one case games that the system had been using
for ages but were suddenly malware.
I have heard horror stories with people's screen readers being
classified as viruses and all double extention files being classified as
viruses.
While thats generally not a problem if you need to use these  for say
file conversion it can get messy.
The worst one is when bits of windows itself, and or drivers became
false alarms.
I have heard stories that people had to reformat because of their
security software.
Msse is not that though it did detect a bunch of games as viruses.
It leaves me alone till there is a virus and then it tells me.
After several issues with one of the users on one of the boxes with 10
on, I am seriously thinking about using sophos home.
The main reason ofcause is that its supposed to be full cloud protection
and as long as the system is connected I in theory should be able to
access the configs from the website which seems accessible enough.
It seems to be no frills.
I am just waiting for win10 next release before I decide.
On the other hand, I may continue using msse, once 7 goes, I will have
to go to 10 which uses defender which is supposed to be ok but does
sadly have crazy notifications from  time to time.
Its going to an app is making me think about the switch though since I
will have to handle it on 2 units not under my sophos plan I may or may
not just get used to that.
The 2 systems mine and another workstation that use 7 are at least 6
years old or even 7 in the old server's case.
And part of me wants to wait till those die.
Msse is not the best, and as long as sophos doesn't get greedy it may be
a contender.
I was going to get vipre lifetime till I heard that you can only
activate it once and if you reformat or the hardware fails you need to
buy another licence for the machine in question which defeats the
purpose of even having a licence for it in the first place may as well
use msse.
And no, Even if it was that good, I am not going to crack it simply
because the way those that make vipre with comments on their lifetime
licence kind of goes against the grain.
It was why I eventually switched to 7zip.
Winzip required me to buy an entirely new licence every time I got a new
version.
I thought bother that rather crack it its the way to go.
But when 7zip came along I was like go away and don't ever come back!
If sophos doesn't have unwanted software and doesn't go greedy then I
just may push for it.
Its a pitty they don't have a home pro or small business version for
lifetime use else I'd buy that.
Fact is after experiences with avira, avg 9, norton, and mcaffee when
msse came along I was about ready to just remove all antivirus software.
Avast was also out of the question with capchas in it and other junk.
My thrust of using a barebones is I want it to find viruses and kill
them, I want it to tell me in case the file is false and I can easily
report or exclude it and report it to the right place.
I do not want slowed down systems, inaccessible interfaces, unwanted
software, spying or other things for no reason.
The government spies on us to watch out for bad guys and to make sure we
are safe.
I have accepted to that.
But I don't really want hastles.
I also want whatever it is to be long term and not short term like a
year or 2 before it dies which was what was happening.
Msse has maintained most of what I want   bar its protection but it
appears the latest defender is starting to chuck eronious messages and
with one of my parents randomly clicking things while thinking they are
something else I am looking at sophos again.
As long as its easy to remove devices when they die or if I have to
change or replace things when they are needed thats fine.



On 16/03/2017 10:30 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people
> who get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware
> folk and the anti virus software writers.
>
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>
>
>> Plese don't take this conversation off list.
>>
>>
>> I'm glad you shared this to the list.  It is very valuable to know
>> accessible virus programs.  I don't see how this could be construed as
>> advertising.
>>
>>
>> I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
>> installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
>> screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
>> about this.  After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
>> viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.
>>
>>
>> I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
>> work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
>> folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.
>>
>>
>> thanks for sharing.
>>
>>
>> brenda
>>
>>
>> On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test
>>> period.
>>> It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
>>> definition of malware including adware and spyware.
>>> Here is the link:
>>> http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
>>> So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
>>> discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
>>> construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> Casey <cwollner@... <mailto:cwollner@...>> schrieb am Di.,
>>> 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
>>>
>>>     Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
>>>     Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
>>>     And how easy is it to set up and install?
>>>     Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
>>>     *From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>>>     Hi!
>>>     I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
>>>     unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
>>>     like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
>>>     analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
>>>     the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
>>>     far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
>>>     Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
>>>     find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
>>>     Greetings,
>>>     Felix
>>>     Chris <chrismedley@...
>>>     <mailto:chrismedley@...>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
>>>     um 21:25 Uhr:
>>>
>>>         Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
>>>         don’t need any other anti virus program
>>>
>>>         And its accessible
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Casey
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>

I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people
who get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware
folk and the anti virus software writers.

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite@windstream.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus

Plese don't take this conversation off list.


I'm glad you shared this to the list. It is very valuable to know
accessible virus programs. I don't see how this could be construed as
advertising.


I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
about this. After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.


I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.


thanks for sharing.


brenda


On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:

Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test
period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link:
http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix

Casey <cwollner@wi.rr.com <mailto:cwollner@wi.rr.com>> schrieb am Di.,
14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:

Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
*From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix
Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com
<mailto:chrismedley@btinternet.com>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
um 21:25 Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
don’t need any other anti virus program

And its accessible



Casey

Hi All,

I bought the eloquence speech from codefactory.  One thing I have noticed is when I use NVDA, often there are like crackles in the speech.  It isn’t smooth like eloquence with jaws, or window-eyes.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Best,

Juan

Juan Hernandez

Juanhernandez98@...

619-750-9431 (M)         |  858-777-3311 (F)

My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

Which version of windows is this?

Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"

Just tried it with windows own built-in sticky keys, and, it did seem to
accept the NVDA key as a modifier key - so I could press NVDA key -
numpad insert in this case - and then press letter T, and it read out
title of window to me?


To invoke windows sticky keys - if you haven't come across this before,
hit the left shift key 5 times in quick succession.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-03-16 04:26, Gene wrote:

I would think that a feature of this importance should be incorporated
into the screen-reader itself and not require an add on. Also, I
don't think that any mention of the add on is made in the documentation.
Or, if preferable, and perhaps just as good an option would be to
incorporate certain add ons so that they are installed and running
when the program is installed.
Why can't certain add ons simply be installed and run when the program
is installed as a matter of course or be incorporated into the program
when they are this central to the program?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Aravind R <mailto:aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:18 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"

check this link and try.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/230

On 3/16/17, Rich De Steno <ironrock@verizon.net
<mailto:ironrock@verizon.net>> wrote:

Is there an option in NVDA that makes the NVDA key a "sticky"

key. > This

option is important for people who use
alternative input devices.

Rich De Steno

--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

Assistant manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda retail loan factory, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593, 9710945613.
email id : aravind_069@yahoo.com <mailto:aravind_069@yahoo.com>,
aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com <mailto:aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com>.

Just tried it with windows own built-in sticky keys, and, it did seem to
accept the NVDA key as a modifier key - so I could press NVDA key -
numpad insert in this case - and then press letter T, and it read out
title of window to me?


To invoke windows sticky keys - if you haven't come across this before,
hit the left shift key 5 times in quick succession.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-03-16 04:26, Gene wrote:

I would think that a feature of this importance should be incorporated
into the screen-reader itself and not require an add on. Also, I
don't think that any mention of the add on is made in the documentation.
Or, if preferable, and perhaps just as good an option would be to
incorporate certain add ons so that they are installed and running
when the program is installed.
Why can't certain add ons simply be installed and run when the program
is installed as a matter of course or be incorporated into the program
when they are this central to the program?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Aravind R <mailto:aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:18 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"

check this link and try.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/230

On 3/16/17, Rich De Steno <ironrock@verizon.net
<mailto:ironrock@verizon.net>> wrote:

Is there an option in NVDA that makes the NVDA key a "sticky" key. This
option is important for people who use
alternative input devices.

Rich De Steno

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Well, the 48 is clear to me, but as far as I can tell, 52 betas won't run on

xp end of story so far, so surely if they are going to make anend of life
security update it should be on an earlier version not 52.
I fully suspect that this loss of updates for Firefox will, eventually be
the real thing whichkills of the remaining xp machines being used for eveery

day use. The web will change like it did after Ie stopped supporting ie8
andit will eventually not be usable on more and more sites.
I don't know what Chrome does, as for some reason my brain finds it somehow

awkward to use compared with the other browsers.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors


What don't you understand? Are you saying you don't understand what the ESR

is or something else?

Gene


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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 2:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors


I get most of this, but the latter part is a bit more ambiguous.
Your hardware is no longer supported
If your computer has a processor older than Pentium 4, Firefox version 49
and above is no longer supported.
If Firefox is already installed on your computer, you can continue using it
but you will not receive updates beyond version 48. If you download Firefox
version 49 or above and try to install it, you will see the message,
Firefox
cannot be installed. This version of Firefox requires a processor with SSE2
support.
Like many programs, newer versions of Firefox require a processor that
supports Streaming SIMD Extensions 2 (SSE2) for better security and
performance. We recommend a computer with a Pentium 4 or newer processor
that supports SSE2 to use the latest version of Firefox, which has more
features, stability and security.
Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR) will continue to work with older
processors but will not receive updates beyond ESR version 45. Firefox ESR
version 52, scheduled for release in March 2017, will no longer be
supported.



Um sure, clear as mud...
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Is there an option in NVDA that makes the NVDA key a "sticky" key. This option is important for people who use
alternative input devices.

Rich De Steno

Hi All,



I bought the eloquence speech from codefactory. One thing I have noticed is
when I use NVDA, often there are like crackles in the speech. It isn't
smooth like eloquence with jaws, or window-eyes.



Does anyone have any ideas?



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Plese don't take this conversation off list.


I'm glad you shared this to the list. It is very valuable to know
accessible virus programs. I don't see how this could be construed as
advertising.


I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
about this. After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.


I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.


thanks for sharing.


brenda


On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:

Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link:
http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix

Casey <cwollner@wi.rr.com <mailto:cwollner@wi.rr.com>> schrieb am Di.,
14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:

Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
*From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix
Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com
<mailto:chrismedley@btinternet.com>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
um 21:25 Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
don’t need any other anti virus program

And its accessible



Casey

Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?



*From:* Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus


Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially unwanted
programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware like trojans and
worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior analysis around, spotting
backdoors from how they behave even if the file itself is unknown, to
provide just one example. This goes far beyond what is usually referred to
as detection by heuristics. Accessibility-wise most things I need are in
the tab order but I find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix

Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017 um 21:25
Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you don’t need any
other anti virus program

And its accessible







Casey

its a pc on a card which can have windows or other operating systems but uses python as the language. Its in about its fourth incarnation now and used by some people to control processes or just to play about with.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Off topic] Raspberry Pi and accessibility, where to start?


What is this?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: March-14-17 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Off topic] Raspberry Pi and accessibility, where to start?



raspberryVI group/mailing list:

http://www.raspberryvi.org/stories/index.html



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On 2017-03-14 19:52, mk360 wrote:

Hi,

First of all, sorry for the off topic.

About the Raspberry Pi, I know some people is working with it, so where can I start how to play with it? in accessible modes, obviously (that is the reasson because I'm asking this here).

Thanks, and please, reply to my private mail, no to the list.

mk.