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Re: accessible antivirus

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and most importantly, independant tests like av-comparatives find defender inadequate. Many programs have a  better detection rate than defender.


On 3/16/2017 4:28 PM, Gene wrote:
Computer advisors I trust say that Defender isn't as good as other good programs.  There is a debate about whether and to what extent this matters because, evidently, Microsoft says that Defender will protect against malware that users are likely to encounter.  I expect that if you look for information in places like PC World, Kim Komando, Life Hacker, and other reputable advisors, that many of them will say that it's better to use something else. 
 
Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus

I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people who
get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware folk
and the anti virus software writers.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus


> Plese don't take this conversation off list.
>
>
> I'm glad you shared this to the list.  It is very valuable to know
> accessible virus programs.  I don't see how this could be construed as
> advertising.
>
>
> I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
> installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
> screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
> about this.  After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
> viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.
>
>
> I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
> work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
> folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.
>
>
> thanks for sharing.
>
>
> brenda
>
>
> On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
>> Hello,
>> the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test
>> period.
>> It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
>> definition of malware including adware and spyware.
>> Here is the link:
>> http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
>> So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
>> discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
>> construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
>> Kind regards,
>> Felix
>>
>> Casey <cwollner@... <mailto:cwollner@...>> schrieb am Di.,
>> 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
>>
>>     Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
>>     Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
>>     And how easy is it to set up and install?
>>     Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
>>     *From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>>     Hi!
>>     I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
>>     unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
>>     like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
>>     analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
>>     the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
>>     far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
>>     Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
>>     find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
>>     Greetings,
>>     Felix
>>     Chris <chrismedley@...
>>     <mailto:chrismedley@...>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
>>     um 21:25 Uhr:
>>
>>         Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
>>         don’t need any other anti virus program
>>
>>         And its accessible
>>
>>
>>
>>     Casey
>>
>>
>
>





Bug. Can you confirm? NVDA can't read google chrome settings for extensions

Simone Dal Maso
 

Hello,
I'd like to have some hints or just a confirmation that NVDA has the following problem:
open google chrome.
- go into address bar and type:
chrome://extensions/

You have the extensions page. Go to the bottom of the page and you should find a link called "short keys", I don't know in english, in italian is Scorciatoie da tastiera, anyway it is a page that allow you to assigng a keyboard shortcut to activate an extension.
Just to make an example, if you are using hoxx vpn extension, you can decide to activate it with a ctrl-shift-h, instead of going into toolbar, than search extensions, right lick, etc etc.
You can define hotkeys for your extensions!

The little problem is that NVDA is not able to read that page. Absolutely nothing.
Can you give a try and tell me if you have the same problem?

If yes, I will open a ticket about that.


Re: accessible antivirus

Brenda <bjnite@...>
 

I think Sophos has a free up-to-10 user homeversion of their program.

brenda


On 3/16/2017 7:30 AM, Felix G. wrote:

Hi!
I mostly agree. The irony is that some of the people who sneak adware onto your drive are exactly those people you trust with the job of protecting you from adware. In that respect I found the following article enlightening:
http://blog.emsisoft.com/2015/01/17/has-the-antivirus-industry-gone-mad/
It's old news but even more valid today.
Kind regards,
Felix

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> schrieb am Do., 16. März 2017 um 11:59 Uhr:
Sadly I do think some of those malware makers have gotten greedy.
Its why I like msse or a bare bones no frills you get what you see kind
of deal.
 From avg that seems to collect info to sell to others that load extras
so they can send adds at you, to software, slowing your system like
norton, to extras you neither want or need.
There is the accessibility issues to mind you to.
Worse are the false alarms.
I have had programs, in one case games that the system had been using
for ages but were suddenly malware.
I have heard horror stories with people's screen readers being
classified as viruses and all double extention files being classified as
viruses.
While thats generally not a problem if you need to use these  for say
file conversion it can get messy.
The worst one is when bits of windows itself, and or drivers became
false alarms.
I have heard stories that people had to reformat because of their
security software.
Msse is not that though it did detect a bunch of games as viruses.
It leaves me alone till there is a virus and then it tells me.
After several issues with one of the users on one of the boxes with 10
on, I am seriously thinking about using sophos home.
The main reason ofcause is that its supposed to be full cloud protection
and as long as the system is connected I in theory should be able to
access the configs from the website which seems accessible enough.
It seems to be no frills.
I am just waiting for win10 next release before I decide.
On the other hand, I may continue using msse, once 7 goes, I will have
to go to 10 which uses defender which is supposed to be ok but does
sadly have crazy notifications from  time to time.
Its going to an app is making me think about the switch though since I
will have to handle it on 2 units not under my sophos plan I may or may
not just get used to that.
The 2 systems mine and another workstation that use 7 are at least 6
years old or even 7 in the old server's case.
And part of me wants to wait till those die.
Msse is not the best, and as long as sophos doesn't get greedy it may be
a contender.
I was going to get vipre lifetime till I heard that you can only
activate it once and if you reformat or the hardware fails you need to
buy another licence for the machine in question which defeats the
purpose of even having a licence for it in the first place may as well
use msse.
And no, Even if it was that good, I am not going to crack it simply
because the way those that make vipre with comments on their lifetime
licence kind of goes against the grain.
It was why I eventually switched to 7zip.
Winzip required me to buy an entirely new licence every time I got a new
version.
I thought bother that rather crack it its the way to go.
But when 7zip came along I was like go away and don't ever come back!
If sophos doesn't have unwanted software and doesn't go greedy then I
just may push for it.
Its a pitty they don't have a home pro or small business version for
lifetime use else I'd buy that.
Fact is after experiences with avira, avg 9, norton, and mcaffee when
msse came along I was about ready to just remove all antivirus software.
Avast was also out of the question with capchas in it and other junk.
My thrust of using a barebones is I want it to find viruses and kill
them, I want it to tell me in case the file is false and I can easily
report or exclude it and report it to the right place.
I do not want slowed down systems, inaccessible interfaces, unwanted
software, spying or other things for no reason.
The government spies on us to watch out for bad guys and to make sure we
are safe.
I have accepted to that.
But I don't really want hastles.
I also want whatever it is to be long term and not short term like a
year or 2 before it dies which was what was happening.
Msse has maintained most of what I want   bar its protection but it
appears the latest defender is starting to chuck eronious messages and
with one of my parents randomly clicking things while thinking they are
something else I am looking at sophos again.
As long as its easy to remove devices when they die or if I have to
change or replace things when they are needed thats fine.



On 16/03/2017 10:30 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people
> who get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware
> folk and the anti virus software writers.
>
> Brian
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>
>
>> Plese don't take this conversation off list.
>>
>>
>> I'm glad you shared this to the list.  It is very valuable to know
>> accessible virus programs.  I don't see how this could be construed as
>> advertising.
>>
>>
>> I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
>> installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
>> screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
>> about this.  After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
>> viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.
>>
>>
>> I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
>> work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
>> folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.
>>
>>
>> thanks for sharing.
>>
>>
>> brenda
>>
>>
>> On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test
>>> period.
>>> It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
>>> definition of malware including adware and spyware.
>>> Here is the link:
>>> http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
>>> So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
>>> discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
>>> construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> Casey <cwollner@... <mailto:cwollner@...>> schrieb am Di.,
>>> 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
>>>
>>>     Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
>>>     Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
>>>     And how easy is it to set up and install?
>>>     Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
>>>     *From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>>>     Hi!
>>>     I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
>>>     unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
>>>     like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
>>>     analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
>>>     the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
>>>     far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
>>>     Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
>>>     find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
>>>     Greetings,
>>>     Felix
>>>     Chris <chrismedley@...
>>>     <mailto:chrismedley@...>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
>>>     um 21:25 Uhr:
>>>
>>>         Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
>>>         don’t need any other anti virus program
>>>
>>>         And its accessible
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Casey
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>





Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

In any such cases, where an embedded player is used, try going into forms mode, then try the left and right arrow.  I did so and it didn't matter where I was on the page.  I was able to move.  Also, I could pause and resume with the space bar if I wasn't on a control such as a button that took another action.  I didn't have to be on any control at all.  Don't worry about how sighted people use embedded players or what they see on the page.  Experiment.  Often, you have to be somewhere in the player to use such commands such as when working with an html5 player.  But you don't have to be on anything specific where I've encountered such players as on youtube.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

The problem I had with sound cloud which is used by many uk councils for
their recordings of meetings is that there is supposed to be a slider
somewhere to allow one to spool through long recordings but nobody seems to
know how to work it without a mouse.

Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible
Internet controls


I was looking around and I found a Sound Cloud link on the page.  I found
the material there and Sound Cloud is accessible.  But is there a way to
play the material directly from the web page I linked to?  It looks as
though there should be.  But we'll see.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible
Internet controls


I used to know a site that had this problem.  The site has changed and now
there isn't even an unuseable embedded object as far as I can tell.  There
appear to be no accessible or inaccessible controls for listening visible to
a screen-reader.  Does this link lead to a page where you can play
something?  I doubt that exploring the page using NVDA and a physical mouse
would show anything useful but here's the link if you want to experiment.
http://csosoundsandstories.org/charles-dutoit-conducts-stravinksy/

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible
Internet controls


Gene,

         If you can toss me some specific examples of the flash issue you're
describing I can play around with it to see what I can determine.
--
Brian


    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to
respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004









Re: accessible antivirus

Gene
 

Computer advisors I trust say that Defender isn't as good as other good programs.  There is a debate about whether and to what extent this matters because, evidently, Microsoft says that Defender will protect against malware that users are likely to encounter.  I expect that if you look for information in places like PC World, Kim Komando, Life Hacker, and other reputable advisors, that many of them will say that it's better to use something else. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus

I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people who
get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware folk
and the anti virus software writers.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus


> Plese don't take this conversation off list.
>
>
> I'm glad you shared this to the list.  It is very valuable to know
> accessible virus programs.  I don't see how this could be construed as
> advertising.
>
>
> I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
> installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
> screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
> about this.  After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
> viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.
>
>
> I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
> work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
> folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.
>
>
> thanks for sharing.
>
>
> brenda
>
>
> On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
>> Hello,
>> the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test
>> period.
>> It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
>> definition of malware including adware and spyware.
>> Here is the link:
>> http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
>> So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
>> discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
>> construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
>> Kind regards,
>> Felix
>>
>> Casey <cwollner@... <mailto:cwollner@...>> schrieb am Di.,
>> 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
>>
>>     Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
>>     Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
>>     And how easy is it to set up and install?
>>     Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
>>     *From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>>     Hi!
>>     I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
>>     unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
>>     like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
>>     analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
>>     the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
>>     far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
>>     Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
>>     find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
>>     Greetings,
>>     Felix
>>     Chris <chrismedley@...
>>     <mailto:chrismedley@...>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
>>     um 21:25 Uhr:
>>
>>         Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
>>         don’t need any other anti virus program
>>
>>         And its accessible
>>
>>
>>
>>     Casey
>>
>>
>
>




Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

I see no reason to assume that this has anything to do with Flash. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

If this is true, than somebody needs to tell dropbox. In the past they ave
fixed issues quite quickly, like when the desktop client could not log in
due to focus issues etc. it may well be that somebody over there has just
made an authoring error. I would have thought though that flsh controls
would be phased out as most sites that used these seem to be gradually using
html 5 instead, which makes the links almost normal and not wthin an
embedded object any more.
 Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible
Internet controls


I've seen a small number of messages on using the physical mouse with NVDA
but I've never seen this sort of question discussed.  I was looking at the
Drop Box site a few days ago and I found that files can't be deleted working
with the web site using a screen-reader and the keyboard.  This doesn't
matter for those using the program but I'm curious about the implications
for other inaccessible controls and on whether deletion can be done on the
Drop box site.

Accordingt to Drop Box help, you have to click the empty space to the right
of the file name and a list of options will come up.  I have no idea if a
blind person can know when he/she is in the right place to click using a
mouse nor do I know whether the options that come up are accessible using a
screen-reader or a mouse.

I'm curious also about some flash embedded objects that can't be worked with
from the keyboard.

Thanks for any information.

I might buy a mouse and play around if it seems more access can be gotten in
some situations.

Gene




Re: accessible antivirus

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I mostly agree. The irony is that some of the people who sneak adware onto your drive are exactly those people you trust with the job of protecting you from adware. In that respect I found the following article enlightening:
http://blog.emsisoft.com/2015/01/17/has-the-antivirus-industry-gone-mad/
It's old news but even more valid today.
Kind regards,
Felix

Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> schrieb am Do., 16. März 2017 um 11:59 Uhr:

Sadly I do think some of those malware makers have gotten greedy.
Its why I like msse or a bare bones no frills you get what you see kind
of deal.
 From avg that seems to collect info to sell to others that load extras
so they can send adds at you, to software, slowing your system like
norton, to extras you neither want or need.
There is the accessibility issues to mind you to.
Worse are the false alarms.
I have had programs, in one case games that the system had been using
for ages but were suddenly malware.
I have heard horror stories with people's screen readers being
classified as viruses and all double extention files being classified as
viruses.
While thats generally not a problem if you need to use these  for say
file conversion it can get messy.
The worst one is when bits of windows itself, and or drivers became
false alarms.
I have heard stories that people had to reformat because of their
security software.
Msse is not that though it did detect a bunch of games as viruses.
It leaves me alone till there is a virus and then it tells me.
After several issues with one of the users on one of the boxes with 10
on, I am seriously thinking about using sophos home.
The main reason ofcause is that its supposed to be full cloud protection
and as long as the system is connected I in theory should be able to
access the configs from the website which seems accessible enough.
It seems to be no frills.
I am just waiting for win10 next release before I decide.
On the other hand, I may continue using msse, once 7 goes, I will have
to go to 10 which uses defender which is supposed to be ok but does
sadly have crazy notifications from  time to time.
Its going to an app is making me think about the switch though since I
will have to handle it on 2 units not under my sophos plan I may or may
not just get used to that.
The 2 systems mine and another workstation that use 7 are at least 6
years old or even 7 in the old server's case.
And part of me wants to wait till those die.
Msse is not the best, and as long as sophos doesn't get greedy it may be
a contender.
I was going to get vipre lifetime till I heard that you can only
activate it once and if you reformat or the hardware fails you need to
buy another licence for the machine in question which defeats the
purpose of even having a licence for it in the first place may as well
use msse.
And no, Even if it was that good, I am not going to crack it simply
because the way those that make vipre with comments on their lifetime
licence kind of goes against the grain.
It was why I eventually switched to 7zip.
Winzip required me to buy an entirely new licence every time I got a new
version.
I thought bother that rather crack it its the way to go.
But when 7zip came along I was like go away and don't ever come back!
If sophos doesn't have unwanted software and doesn't go greedy then I
just may push for it.
Its a pitty they don't have a home pro or small business version for
lifetime use else I'd buy that.
Fact is after experiences with avira, avg 9, norton, and mcaffee when
msse came along I was about ready to just remove all antivirus software.
Avast was also out of the question with capchas in it and other junk.
My thrust of using a barebones is I want it to find viruses and kill
them, I want it to tell me in case the file is false and I can easily
report or exclude it and report it to the right place.
I do not want slowed down systems, inaccessible interfaces, unwanted
software, spying or other things for no reason.
The government spies on us to watch out for bad guys and to make sure we
are safe.
I have accepted to that.
But I don't really want hastles.
I also want whatever it is to be long term and not short term like a
year or 2 before it dies which was what was happening.
Msse has maintained most of what I want   bar its protection but it
appears the latest defender is starting to chuck eronious messages and
with one of my parents randomly clicking things while thinking they are
something else I am looking at sophos again.
As long as its easy to remove devices when they die or if I have to
change or replace things when they are needed thats fine.



On 16/03/2017 10:30 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people
> who get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware
> folk and the anti virus software writers.
>
> Brian
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>
>
>> Plese don't take this conversation off list.
>>
>>
>> I'm glad you shared this to the list.  It is very valuable to know
>> accessible virus programs.  I don't see how this could be construed as
>> advertising.
>>
>>
>> I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
>> installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
>> screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
>> about this.  After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
>> viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.
>>
>>
>> I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
>> work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
>> folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.
>>
>>
>> thanks for sharing.
>>
>>
>> brenda
>>
>>
>> On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test
>>> period.
>>> It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
>>> definition of malware including adware and spyware.
>>> Here is the link:
>>> http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
>>> So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
>>> discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
>>> construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
>>> Kind regards,
>>> Felix
>>>
>>> Casey <cwollner@... <mailto:cwollner@...>> schrieb am Di.,
>>> 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
>>>
>>>     Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
>>>     Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
>>>     And how easy is it to set up and install?
>>>     Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
>>>     *From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
>>>     *Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
>>>     *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>>     *Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
>>>     Hi!
>>>     I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
>>>     unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
>>>     like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
>>>     analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
>>>     the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
>>>     far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
>>>     Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
>>>     find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
>>>     Greetings,
>>>     Felix
>>>     Chris <chrismedley@...
>>>     <mailto:chrismedley@...>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
>>>     um 21:25 Uhr:
>>>
>>>         Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
>>>         don’t need any other anti virus program
>>>
>>>         And its accessible
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Casey
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: accessible antivirus

 

Sadly I do think some of those malware makers have gotten greedy.
Its why I like msse or a bare bones no frills you get what you see kind of deal.
From avg that seems to collect info to sell to others that load extras so they can send adds at you, to software, slowing your system like norton, to extras you neither want or need.
There is the accessibility issues to mind you to.
Worse are the false alarms.
I have had programs, in one case games that the system had been using for ages but were suddenly malware.
I have heard horror stories with people's screen readers being classified as viruses and all double extention files being classified as viruses.
While thats generally not a problem if you need to use these for say file conversion it can get messy.
The worst one is when bits of windows itself, and or drivers became false alarms.
I have heard stories that people had to reformat because of their security software.
Msse is not that though it did detect a bunch of games as viruses.
It leaves me alone till there is a virus and then it tells me.
After several issues with one of the users on one of the boxes with 10 on, I am seriously thinking about using sophos home.
The main reason ofcause is that its supposed to be full cloud protection and as long as the system is connected I in theory should be able to access the configs from the website which seems accessible enough.
It seems to be no frills.
I am just waiting for win10 next release before I decide.
On the other hand, I may continue using msse, once 7 goes, I will have to go to 10 which uses defender which is supposed to be ok but does sadly have crazy notifications from time to time.
Its going to an app is making me think about the switch though since I will have to handle it on 2 units not under my sophos plan I may or may not just get used to that.
The 2 systems mine and another workstation that use 7 are at least 6 years old or even 7 in the old server's case.
And part of me wants to wait till those die.
Msse is not the best, and as long as sophos doesn't get greedy it may be a contender.
I was going to get vipre lifetime till I heard that you can only activate it once and if you reformat or the hardware fails you need to buy another licence for the machine in question which defeats the purpose of even having a licence for it in the first place may as well use msse.
And no, Even if it was that good, I am not going to crack it simply because the way those that make vipre with comments on their lifetime licence kind of goes against the grain.
It was why I eventually switched to 7zip.
Winzip required me to buy an entirely new licence every time I got a new version.
I thought bother that rather crack it its the way to go.
But when 7zip came along I was like go away and don't ever come back!
If sophos doesn't have unwanted software and doesn't go greedy then I just may push for it.
Its a pitty they don't have a home pro or small business version for lifetime use else I'd buy that.
Fact is after experiences with avira, avg 9, norton, and mcaffee when msse came along I was about ready to just remove all antivirus software.
Avast was also out of the question with capchas in it and other junk.
My thrust of using a barebones is I want it to find viruses and kill them, I want it to tell me in case the file is false and I can easily report or exclude it and report it to the right place.
I do not want slowed down systems, inaccessible interfaces, unwanted software, spying or other things for no reason.
The government spies on us to watch out for bad guys and to make sure we are safe.
I have accepted to that.
But I don't really want hastles.
I also want whatever it is to be long term and not short term like a year or 2 before it dies which was what was happening.
Msse has maintained most of what I want bar its protection but it appears the latest defender is starting to chuck eronious messages and with one of my parents randomly clicking things while thinking they are something else I am looking at sophos again.
As long as its easy to remove devices when they die or if I have to change or replace things when they are needed thats fine.

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I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people
who get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware
folk and the anti virus software writers.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brenda" <bjnite@windstream.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus


Plese don't take this conversation off list.


I'm glad you shared this to the list. It is very valuable to know
accessible virus programs. I don't see how this could be construed as
advertising.


I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
about this. After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.


I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.


thanks for sharing.


brenda


On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test
period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link:
http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix

Casey <cwollner@wi.rr.com <mailto:cwollner@wi.rr.com>> schrieb am Di.,
14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:

Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
*From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix
Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com
<mailto:chrismedley@btinternet.com>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
um 21:25 Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
don’t need any other anti virus program

And its accessible



Casey




NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi,

Recently updated: Added to all NVDA related pages Training material and
phone support for NVDA from the NV Access online shop.

Accessible email client Mozilla Thunderbird (Sorting emails via
preferences in Mozilla Thunderbird, Setting up your Gmail account with
Mozilla Thunderbird and another two sections to do with gmail).
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20cl…

PLEASE NOTE: Due to recent changes with Dropbox, ALL dropbox files
linked to my website will not work until they have all been reshared. I
hope to have this rectified in the next couple of days as time permits.

Gene NZ


FW: [nvda] crackling speech

David Griffith
 

Forgot to send to the whole Group.

Earlier reply below.

.

 

According  to the conversations on another list I referred to on another thread the problem of crackling  with Code Factory Eloquence and sluggishness with start up can both be reduced by amending the sound properties of your sound card.

 

Basically for some reason Code Factory Eloquence does not seem to play nicely at all with anything but the most basic of your sound card settings.

 

So try going to Sounds in Control Panel. Turn off any special or enhanced sound effects  like sound surround or any other effects and just try to find the most basic stereo setting available.

 

The result may not be so great for music playback but it should improve your Eloquence feedback.

 

 

David Griffith

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Juan Hernandez
Sent: 15 March 2017 22:52
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] crackling speech

 

Hi All,

 

I bought the eloquence speech from codefactory.  One thing I have noticed is when I use NVDA, often there are like crackles in the speech.  It isn’t smooth like eloquence with jaws, or window-eyes.

 

Does anyone have any ideas?

 

Best,

 

Juan

 

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Re: Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"

Jacob Kruger
 

Running windows10 64 bit.


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On 2017-03-16 11:40, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Which version of windows is this?

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"


Just tried it with windows own built-in sticky keys, and, it did seem to
accept the NVDA key as a modifier key - so I could press NVDA key -
numpad insert in this case - and then press letter T, and it read out
title of window to me?


To invoke windows sticky keys - if you haven't come across this before,
hit the left shift key 5 times in quick succession.


Jacob Kruger
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On 2017-03-16 04:26, Gene wrote:
I would think that a feature of this importance should be incorporated
into the screen-reader itself and not require an add on. Also, I
don't think that any mention of the add on is made in the documentation.
Or, if preferable, and perhaps just as good an option would be to
incorporate certain add ons so that they are installed and running
when the program is installed.
Why can't certain add ons simply be installed and run when the program
is installed as a matter of course or be incorporated into the program
when they are this central to the program?
Gene
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*Sent:* Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:18 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"

check this link and try.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/230

On 3/16/17, Rich De Steno <ironrock@verizon.net
<mailto:ironrock@verizon.net>> wrote:
Is there an option in NVDA that makes the NVDA key a "sticky"
key. > This
option is important for people who use
alternative input devices.

Rich De Steno





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Re: Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"

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Which version of windows is this?

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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 4:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"


Just tried it with windows own built-in sticky keys, and, it did seem to
accept the NVDA key as a modifier key - so I could press NVDA key -
numpad insert in this case - and then press letter T, and it read out
title of window to me?


To invoke windows sticky keys - if you haven't come across this before,
hit the left shift key 5 times in quick succession.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
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On 2017-03-16 04:26, Gene wrote:
I would think that a feature of this importance should be incorporated
into the screen-reader itself and not require an add on. Also, I
don't think that any mention of the add on is made in the documentation.
Or, if preferable, and perhaps just as good an option would be to
incorporate certain add ons so that they are installed and running
when the program is installed.
Why can't certain add ons simply be installed and run when the program
is installed as a matter of course or be incorporated into the program
when they are this central to the program?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Aravind R <mailto:aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:18 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"

check this link and try.
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/230

On 3/16/17, Rich De Steno <ironrock@verizon.net
<mailto:ironrock@verizon.net>> wrote:
Is there an option in NVDA that makes the NVDA key a "sticky" key. This
option is important for people who use
alternative input devices.

Rich De Steno





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Re: For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors

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Testing the other day, I find that as has been said. AMD processors of the old athlon and sempron single core with 3D now instead of the SSE2 instruction set will only work with Firefox below and including version 48. In the case of Pentium4 single core intels, its version 52.

Brian



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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors


Thanks that was good.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-27-16 8:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors



Internet Explorer should not be removed. At least through Windows 8, I don't know about Windows 10, Windows uses certain aspects of Internet Explorer in other parts of Windows. If you remove it, certain Windows functions won't work properly or perhaps not at all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Removal_of_Internet_Explorer



You evidently have some problem that causes recent versions of Firefox not to work properly with NVDA or with Windows. we don't know what the incompatibility is. It may be a problem with your Windows installation, it may be something else.



Gene

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Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 10:18 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors



brian, i read somewhere that the last version which supports xp is 52.
is it true?
and i tried ie8 in many websites without any problem!

but i always use firefox and wished to find a way to remove ie completely.

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Well, the 48 is clear to me, but as far as I can tell, 52 betas won't run on

xp end of story so far, so surely if they are going to make anend of life
security update it should be on an earlier version not 52.
I fully suspect that this loss of updates for Firefox will, eventually be
the real thing whichkills of the remaining xp machines being used for eveery

day use. The web will change like it did after Ie stopped supporting ie8
andit will eventually not be usable on more and more sites.
I don't know what Chrome does, as for some reason my brain finds it somehow

awkward to use compared with the other browsers.
Brian

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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2016 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors


What don't you understand? Are you saying you don't understand what the ESR

is or something else?

Gene


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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] For 'clarity', firefox and amd old processors


I get most of this, but the latter part is a bit more ambiguous.
Your hardware is no longer supported
If your computer has a processor older than Pentium 4, Firefox version 49
and above is no longer supported.
If Firefox is already installed on your computer, you can continue using it
but you will not receive updates beyond version 48. If you download Firefox
version 49 or above and try to install it, you will see the message,
Firefox
cannot be installed. This version of Firefox requires a processor with SSE2
support.
Like many programs, newer versions of Firefox require a processor that
supports Streaming SIMD Extensions 2 (SSE2) for better security and
performance. We recommend a computer with a Pentium 4 or newer processor
that supports SSE2 to use the latest version of Firefox, which has more
features, stability and security.
Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR) will continue to work with older
processors but will not receive updates beyond ESR version 45. Firefox ESR
version 52, scheduled for release in March 2017, will no longer be
supported.



Um sure, clear as mud...
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Re: Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"

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Not that I know of, though if you make it caps lock I seem to recall that windows can treat this like this under certain circumstances. The problem is that to make this a sticky key impacts on other functions so might be undesirable for that reason.
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Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 2:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] Making the NVDA Key a "Sticky Key"


Is there an option in NVDA that makes the NVDA key a "sticky" key. This option is important for people who use
alternative input devices.

Rich De Steno



Re: crackling speech

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I've noticed this on the old synth called Pio on some hardware. its my belief that its some kind of issue between the synth and the drivers or hardware in a given machine.


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Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 10:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] crackling speech


Hi All,



I bought the eloquence speech from codefactory. One thing I have noticed is
when I use NVDA, often there are like crackles in the speech. It isn't
smooth like eloquence with jaws, or window-eyes.



Does anyone have any ideas?



Best,



Juan



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Re: problem is java acces brich

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Often you need both the 32 bit and 64 bit versions operating at the same time. To be honest i've had so many troubles with Java programs that I've stopped using them altogether now.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] problem is java acces brich


I think there is a problem with the access bridge in general. I use Open Office and the latest version of JAWS but when I use the spreadsheet it freezes. JAWS support had me install the latest Java and turn the access bridge on and it worked fine until I rebooted my Pc. so they say I need to contact the access team at Java.

Dean


From: Olcay AŞCI
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem is java acces brich

Hio



I'm getting a constant error in Java applications. applications NVDA is reading, but there is an error in the log record and an error sound is played.



My nvda version:

next-13911,3c8e30bd

My log:



INFO - __main__ (10:00:55):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Config dir: C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:00:56):

Loading config: C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

NVDA version next-13911,3c8e30bd

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using Windows version 10.0.15055 workstation

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using comtypes version 0.6.2

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:00:57):

Loaded synthDriver vocalizer_expressive

INFO - core.main (10:00:57):

Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:00:57):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (10:00:57):

Using liblouis version 3.0.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:00:57):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:00:57):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (10:00:57):

No touch devices found

INFO - external:globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (10:00:59):

Loaded NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin version 6.0

INFO - core.main (10:01:01):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - queueHandler.flushQueue (10:01:10):

Error in func event_stateChange from JABHandler.internalFunctionQueue

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue

File "JABHandler.pyc", line 620, in event_stateChange

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 70, in __call__

File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 217, in __init__

File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyc", line 166, in __init__

ValueError: invalid or not specified window handle

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (10:01:10):

error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementJAB object at 0x058B0110> with extra args of {}

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 199, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 410, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\globalPlugins\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\__init__.py", line 238, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures.py", line 86, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 527, in event_gainFocus

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 900, in event_gainFocus

File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 475, in reportFocus

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 812, in reportFocus

File "speech.pyc", line 357, in speakObject

File "speech.pyc", line 273, in speakObjectProperties

File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 243, in _get_keyboardShortcut

IndexError: invalid index

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (10:01:12):

error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementJAB object at 0x058B0370> with extra args of {}

Traceback (most recent call last):

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 199, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 410, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\globalPlugins\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\__init__.py", line 238, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures.py", line 86, in event_gainFocus

File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 527, in event_gainFocus

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 900, in event_gainFocus

File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 475, in reportFocus

File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 812, in reportFocus

File "speech.pyc", line 357, in speakObject

File "speech.pyc", line 273, in speakObjectProperties

File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 243, in _get_keyboardShortcut

IndexError: invalid index



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Re: accessible antivirus

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I think to be fair to Defender/msse there has always to be a few people who get a virus as its a continuous battle between the virus and malware folk and the anti virus software writers.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brenda" <bjnite@windstream.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus


Plese don't take this conversation off list.


I'm glad you shared this to the list. It is very valuable to know
accessible virus programs. I don't see how this could be construed as
advertising.


I have heard that Caspersky is now accessible once you can get it
installed. If you do a google search for accessible virus programs with
screen readers, etc, you should come upon an article by David goldfield
about this. After he had issues with Windows Defender not catching
viruses he investigated and chose Caspersky.


I'm still hoping for more input from listers on antivirus programs that
work well with NVDA and are highly rated in the sighted world or other
folks experiences with Caspersky which is a good program.


thanks for sharing.


brenda


On 3/15/2017 4:56 AM, Felix G. wrote:
Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link:
http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix

Casey <cwollner@wi.rr.com <mailto:cwollner@wi.rr.com>> schrieb am Di.,
14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:

Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
*From:* Felix G. <mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially
unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware
like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior
analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if
the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes
far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics.
Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I
find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix
Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com
<mailto:chrismedley@btinternet.com>> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017
um 21:25 Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you
don’t need any other anti virus program

And its accessible



Casey


Re: accessible antivirus

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

If you say its accessible though, it would be nice to know and also how much a subscription costs one.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus


Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider
definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link:
http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be
discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be
construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix

Casey <cwollner@wi.rr.com> schrieb am Di., 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:

Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?



*From:* Felix G. <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus


Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially unwanted
programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware like trojans and
worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior analysis around, spotting
backdoors from how they behave even if the file itself is unknown, to
provide just one example. This goes far beyond what is usually referred to
as detection by heuristics. Accessibility-wise most things I need are in
the tab order but I find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix

Chris <chrismedley@btinternet.com> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017 um 21:25
Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you don’t need any
other anti virus program

And its accessible







Casey


Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

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The problem I had with sound cloud which is used by many uk councils for their recordings of meetings is that there is supposed to be a slider somewhere to allow one to spool through long recordings but nobody seems to know how to work it without a mouse.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@ripco.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls


I was looking around and I found a Sound Cloud link on the page. I found the material there and Sound Cloud is accessible. But is there a way to play the material directly from the web page I linked to? It looks as though there should be. But we'll see.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls


I used to know a site that had this problem. The site has changed and now there isn't even an unuseable embedded object as far as I can tell. There appear to be no accessible or inaccessible controls for listening visible to a screen-reader. Does this link lead to a page where you can play something? I doubt that exploring the page using NVDA and a physical mouse would show anything useful but here's the link if you want to experiment.
http://csosoundsandstories.org/charles-dutoit-conducts-stravinksy/

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls


Gene,

If you can toss me some specific examples of the flash issue you're describing I can play around with it to see what I can determine.
--
Brian


I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004


Re: [Off topic] Raspberry Pi and accessibility, where to start?

Jacob Kruger
 

Nope - since it runs the arm-based hardware, it can only currently really run linux-based operating systems in full operation modes.


In other words, I have a few different versions of the raspbian OS here as well as a version of ubuntu mate running on some of them, but, there's no possibility to run Microsoft windows on it as such.


Think there might also be a way to run a version of android OS on it, but, not too sure about that either.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-03-16 11:11, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
its a pc on a card which can have windows or other operating systems but uses python as the language. Its in about its fourth incarnation now and used by some people to control processes or just to play about with.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Off topic] Raspberry Pi and accessibility, where to start?


What is this?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: March-14-17 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Off topic] Raspberry Pi and accessibility, where to start?



raspberryVI group/mailing list:

http://www.raspberryvi.org/stories/index.html



Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-03-14 19:52, mk360 wrote:

Hi,

First of all, sorry for the off topic.

About the Raspberry Pi, I know some people is working with it, so where can I start how to play with it? in accessible modes, obviously (that is the reasson because I'm asking this here).

Thanks, and please, reply to my private mail, no to the list.

mk.