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Re: Learning Programming

Juan Hernandez
 

Hmm, this is weird. I feel now more than any other time it is easiest to
learn how to program.

There are so many materials free and paid that you can use to learn to
program.

And believe me I know. I learned to program basic in the 80s, and that was
hard there was no real internet or anything like it. I had to have my
little brother read to me books, and I learned from that.


Best,

Juan Hernandez
Juanhernandez98@gmail.com
619-750-9431 (M) | 858-777-3311 (F)
My WebSite | Twitter | FaceBook | LinkedIn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Biblesoft 8288
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Learning Programming

Yes, it does seem that learning to program from scratch, at least for the
blind want to be programmer, is difficult to do. I've even started to look
at older books, written before the use of Tools became so wide
spread. But here I run into slight compatibility issues. The New
Code today is slightly different from the code used even 5 years ago.

I'll keep looking.

Dave


Re: Learning Programming

Biblesoft 8288 <biblesoftech8288@...>
 

Yes, it does seem that learning to program from scratch, at least for
the blind want to be programmer, is difficult to do. I've even started
to look at older books, written before the use of Tools became so wide
spread. But here I run into slight compatibility issues. The New
Code today is slightly different from the code used even 5 years ago.

I'll keep looking.

Dave


Re: accessible antivirus

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

please feel to carry this topic over to the blind tech list.
to join, send a blank messsage to:
blindtech+subscribe@groups.io
 

From: Felix G.
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 3:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
 
Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link: http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix
 
Casey <cwollner@...> schrieb am Di., 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:
Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
 
 
 
From: Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
 
 
Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics. Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix
 
Chris <chrismedley@...> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017 um 21:25 Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you don’t need any other anti virus program

And its accessible

 

 



Casey


Re: accessible antivirus

Felix G.
 

Hello,
the program is subscription-based, and there is a free 30 day test period.
It scans for viruses, worms and the like in addition to the wider definition of malware including adware and spyware.
Here is the link: http://www.emsisoft.com/en/software/antimalware/?id=14510978
So much in the interest of sharing. I think any follow-ups should be discussed off-list since this is going way off topic and may easily be construed as me running an ad campaign, which I am not. ;)
Kind regards,
Felix

Casey <cwollner@...> schrieb am Di., 14. März 2017 um 14:41 Uhr:

Hi where can you get this Emsisoft Antimalware from?
Also is it free or is there A charge for this program?
And how easy is it to set up and install?
Well it work with Jaws 18 as well?
 
 
 
From: Felix G.
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 3:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible antivirus
 
 
Hi!
I use Emsisoft Antimalware. It's fast, scans for potentially unwanted programs (such as adware) in addition to general malware like trojans and worms, and has, to my mind, the best behavior analysis around, spotting backdoors from how they behave even if the file itself is unknown, to provide just one example. This goes far beyond what is usually referred to as detection by heuristics. Accessibility-wise most things I need are in the tab order but I find myself resorting to flat review sometimes.
Greetings,
Felix
 
Chris <chrismedley@...> schrieb am Mo., 13. März 2017 um 21:25 Uhr:

Windows defender is already built into windows ten so you don’t need any other anti virus program

And its accessible

 

 



Casey


problem is java acces brich

Olcay AŞCI
 

Hio

 

I'm getting a constant error in Java applications. applications NVDA is reading, but there is an error in the log record and an error sound is played.

 

My nvda version:

next-13911,3c8e30bd

My log:

 

INFO - __main__ (10:00:55):

Starting NVDA

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Config dir: C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda

INFO - config.ConfigManager._loadConfig (10:00:56):

Loading config: C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\nvda.ini

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

NVDA version next-13911,3c8e30bd

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using Windows version 10.0.15055 workstation

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using Python version 2.7.13 (v2.7.13:a06454b1afa1, Dec 17 2016, 20:42:59) [MSC v.1500 32 bit (Intel)]

INFO - core.main (10:00:56):

Using comtypes version 0.6.2

INFO - synthDriverHandler.setSynth (10:00:57):

Loaded synthDriver vocalizer_expressive

INFO - core.main (10:00:57):

Using wx version 3.0.2.0 msw (classic)

INFO - brailleInput.initialize (10:00:57):

Braille input initialized

INFO - braille.initialize (10:00:57):

Using liblouis version 3.0.0

INFO - braille.BrailleHandler.setDisplayByName (10:00:57):

Loaded braille display driver noBraille, current display has 0 cells.

INFO - _UIAHandler.UIAHandler.MTAThreadFunc (10:00:57):

UIAutomation: IUIAutomation3

DEBUGWARNING - touchHandler.initialize (10:00:57):

No touch devices found

INFO - external:globalPlugins.NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin.GlobalPlugin.__init__ (10:00:59):

Loaded NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin version 6.0

INFO - core.main (10:01:01):

NVDA initialized

ERROR - queueHandler.flushQueue (10:01:10):

Error in func event_stateChange from JABHandler.internalFunctionQueue

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "queueHandler.pyc", line 50, in flushQueue

  File "JABHandler.pyc", line 620, in event_stateChange

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 70, in __call__

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 217, in __init__

  File "NVDAObjects\window\__init__.pyc", line 166, in __init__

ValueError: invalid or not specified window handle

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (10:01:10):

error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementJAB object at 0x058B0110> with extra args of {}

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 199, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 410, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\globalPlugins\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\__init__.py", line 238, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures.py", line 86, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 527, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 900, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 475, in reportFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 812, in reportFocus

  File "speech.pyc", line 357, in speakObject

  File "speech.pyc", line 273, in speakObjectProperties

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 243, in _get_keyboardShortcut

IndexError: invalid index

ERROR - eventHandler.executeEvent (10:01:12):

error executing event: gainFocus on <NVDAObjects.Dynamic_ClipboardCommandAnnouncementJAB object at 0x058B0370> with extra args of {}

Traceback (most recent call last):

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 143, in executeEvent

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 91, in __init__

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\wintenApps\globalPlugins\wintenObjs\__init__.py", line 199, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\easyTableNavigator\globalPlugins\easyTableNavigator.py", line 82, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\remote\globalPlugins\remoteClient\__init__.py", line 410, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\globalPlugins\NVDAExtensionGlobalPlugin\__init__.py", line 238, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "C:\Users\akkus\AppData\Roaming\nvda\addons\enhancedTouchGestures\globalPlugins\enhancedTouchGestures.py", line 86, in event_gainFocus

  File "eventHandler.pyc", line 98, in next

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 527, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 900, in event_gainFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 475, in reportFocus

  File "NVDAObjects\__init__.pyc", line 812, in reportFocus

  File "speech.pyc", line 357, in speakObject

  File "speech.pyc", line 273, in speakObjectProperties

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 34, in __get__

  File "baseObject.pyc", line 110, in _getPropertyViaCache

  File "NVDAObjects\JAB\__init__.pyc", line 243, in _get_keyboardShortcut

IndexError: invalid index

 

Windows 10 için Posta ile gönderildi

 


Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

I looked at the page and I see what you are talking about.  I see that there are links that actually tell you what they will play and there are many links that NVDA reads as question mark link.  I'm not sure what they do.  Some of them appear to play the same things as the links with text and some do odd things like open the file menu in Firefox when I click on them but I don't remember if I used the NVDA mouse click or clicked in some other way.  But I can play what I want to play by using the links with readable text. 
 
I'm not sure if the links work properly.  I may have to turn browse mode off, tab to the link I want, and press enter.  I haven't played with the links enough yet to know if that is the case but it's interesting how the page is laid out.  The links are so far away from the text that discusses them and there are all those question mark links.  I didn't look at them before or not with any real attention.  Also, to make matters more confusing, the links say list before they say what they go to.  Whatever I may have heard when I was looking at the page before, they are so unexpected in what they say and in their position that if I did come across them, I paid no real attention, as I said. 
 
This has been very interesting and it has showed me that at times, I need to look for really improbable positions of links and for content that may sound like something else without paying closer attention than might be paid because of their unintuitiveness.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Are you saying that I can move with the keyboard and just hear link, link, etc. or won't I hear anything because they are skipped when using the keyboard?
 
I'll take a look at the page again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene,

          There are a series of controls for listening, all of which NVDA announces as "Link", that are on this page following the sound cloud link.  It's very odd how they're traversed as well with the focus highlight add-on active (which helps me out a lot).  I can get the play button (which is actually a link, announced as link) to play the selection once I know I'm on the control, and it will pause it as well, and I can do this with space bar acting as play/pause toggle when on this control.

           I did not bring up the list of elements with links listed to see if I can make sense of how these are actually structured and how that equates to what I'm seeing visually when doing a brute force tab through.  In any case it's clear that this part of that webpage is not at all designed with accessibility in mind while it's absolutely obvious to anyone who can see just precisely how to make various selections play/pause with mouse clicks.  Since these don't have any meaningful help text or labels associated with them they're effectively inscrutable unless you are able to see.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

Are you saying that I can move with the keyboard and just hear link, link, etc. or won't I hear anything because they are skipped when using the keyboard?
 
I'll take a look at the page again.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene,

          There are a series of controls for listening, all of which NVDA announces as "Link", that are on this page following the sound cloud link.  It's very odd how they're traversed as well with the focus highlight add-on active (which helps me out a lot).  I can get the play button (which is actually a link, announced as link) to play the selection once I know I'm on the control, and it will pause it as well, and I can do this with space bar acting as play/pause toggle when on this control.

           I did not bring up the list of elements with links listed to see if I can make sense of how these are actually structured and how that equates to what I'm seeing visually when doing a brute force tab through.  In any case it's clear that this part of that webpage is not at all designed with accessibility in mind while it's absolutely obvious to anyone who can see just precisely how to make various selections play/pause with mouse clicks.  Since these don't have any meaningful help text or labels associated with them they're effectively inscrutable unless you are able to see.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



nvda friendly alarm clock app for windows

Tony James <megatronjames@...>
 

Hi, is there an accessible alarm clock type program for win7> I just
tried to use win task scheduler but gave up because the time and date
settings refused to stay at the values I wanted and because it was
such a pain to get them set in the first place. thx

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Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

 

Gene,

          There are a series of controls for listening, all of which NVDA announces as "Link", that are on this page following the sound cloud link.  It's very odd how they're traversed as well with the focus highlight add-on active (which helps me out a lot).  I can get the play button (which is actually a link, announced as link) to play the selection once I know I'm on the control, and it will pause it as well, and I can do this with space bar acting as play/pause toggle when on this control.

           I did not bring up the list of elements with links listed to see if I can make sense of how these are actually structured and how that equates to what I'm seeing visually when doing a brute force tab through.  In any case it's clear that this part of that webpage is not at all designed with accessibility in mind while it's absolutely obvious to anyone who can see just precisely how to make various selections play/pause with mouse clicks.  Since these don't have any meaningful help text or labels associated with them they're effectively inscrutable unless you are able to see.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



For Windows 10 users: audio ducking/always duck options makes a comeback in a future version of NVDA

 

Hi Windows 10 users,

 

As Microsoft restored audio ducking routines in recent Insider builds, audio ducking/always duck option will make a comeback in a future version of NVDA. Thus, you can use this option in the upcoming Creators Update.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Learning Programming

Alexander Masic
 

Now A days kindle is very accessible vith NVDA, so you may purchase something from There. In swedish there are many good turorials in HTML. is even is usefull as a blind, However a mayority today does not code by hand when making website. They are using tools. So that may be reason why you never find so mutch learning site about html.

I'M also looking for good books wich explayn and learn out programelanguage from absolut scratch. Those i have been looking for is for scools and require support from teacher.




Den 2017-03-15 kl. 01:24, skrev Biblesoft 8288:

I am wanting to learn HTML5as well as a Compiled language.

I am looking for Books that takes the New to Programming person from the
very first Starting point, to at least a level to be able to maybe at
least understand what my Boss is attempting to do on her Web Site. I
am not thinking I am going to work through one Book and be a Crack HTML5
Code Demon.

So far, I have attempted to learn from On Line Tutorials, but these are
always a Video, which gives a lot of info, but ther is always something
the sighted can see, that I miss, and my code doesn't work.

I have downloaded code examples and have been able to see where I was
wrong, but not always.

I am sure some of you here might do some programming and have gone
through the junk of finding truly useful resources to learn what needs
to be learned.

My Boss would also like me to see if I could learn to write an Install
program for their software their Company produces.

I have to laugh, but this is the spot I find myself. AM not exactly a
Newby, and yet, I am.

So, anyone use any Books in a form I can read on the Computer?
If so, would you tell me the Titles and where you obtained them.

Thanks for any help,

Dave




Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

I was looking around and I found a Sound Cloud link on the page.  I found the material there and Sound Cloud is accessible.  But is there a way to play the material directly from the web page I linked to?  It looks as though there should be.  But we'll see.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

I used to know a site that had this problem.  The site has changed and now there isn't even an unuseable embedded object as far as I can tell.  There appear to be no accessible or inaccessible controls for listening visible to a screen-reader.  Does this link lead to a page where you can play something?  I doubt that exploring the page using NVDA and a physical mouse would show anything useful but here's the link if you want to experiment.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene,

         If you can toss me some specific examples of the flash issue you're describing I can play around with it to see what I can determine.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



Learning Programming

Biblesoft 8288 <biblesoftech8288@...>
 

I am wanting to learn HTML5as well as a Compiled language.

I am looking for Books that takes the New to Programming person from the
very first Starting point, to at least a level to be able to maybe at
least understand what my Boss is attempting to do on her Web Site. I
am not thinking I am going to work through one Book and be a Crack HTML5
Code Demon.

So far, I have attempted to learn from On Line Tutorials, but these are
always a Video, which gives a lot of info, but ther is always something
the sighted can see, that I miss, and my code doesn't work.

I have downloaded code examples and have been able to see where I was
wrong, but not always.

I am sure some of you here might do some programming and have gone
through the junk of finding truly useful resources to learn what needs
to be learned.

My Boss would also like me to see if I could learn to write an Install
program for their software their Company produces.

I have to laugh, but this is the spot I find myself. AM not exactly a
Newby, and yet, I am.

So, anyone use any Books in a form I can read on the Computer?
If so, would you tell me the Titles and where you obtained them.

Thanks for any help,

Dave


Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

I used to know a site that had this problem.  The site has changed and now there isn't even an unuseable embedded object as far as I can tell.  There appear to be no accessible or inaccessible controls for listening visible to a screen-reader.  Does this link lead to a page where you can play something?  I doubt that exploring the page using NVDA and a physical mouse would show anything useful but here's the link if you want to experiment.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene,

         If you can toss me some specific examples of the flash issue you're describing I can play around with it to see what I can determine.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



Test

Biblesoft 8288 <biblesoftech8288@...>
 

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Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

 

Gene,

         If you can toss me some specific examples of the flash issue you're describing I can play around with it to see what I can determine.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

 

Well its a bit hit and miss.
The feadback with the mouse is not much.
Its only usefull for programs with quirky controls.
But sadly, accessibility just like windows touchscreens is totally crap and in fact with the mouse on windows its almost non existant.
Its good if you have a small window to review the screen and click certain buttons but its vertually a non use item.
Its not reliable enough for me to even call it stable and has never been this way ever since I can remember.
I in fact turn off mouse support generally as nvda tends to say extranious junk on mouse stuff if it is on or gets moved.
And in fact bar the times I need this gaming mouse I have half a mind to remove the mouse entirely, disable my laptop internal touchpad and rely on the external board.
I must admit I do use a mouse on systems not my own which may not or may have programs that need the mouse to work.
The only reason I have used a mouse on here is to access some functions of my semi accessible applien convertion suite but once those were set it was fine to do whatever to get things to work.

On 15/03/2017 10:30 a.m., Gene wrote:
I've seen a small number of messages on using the physical mouse with NVDA but I've never seen this sort of question discussed. I was looking at the Drop Box site a few days ago and I found that files can't be deleted working with the web site using a screen-reader and the keyboard. This doesn't matter for those using the program but I'm curious about the implications for other inaccessible controls and on whether deletion can be done on the Drop box site.

Accordingt to Drop Box help, you have to click the empty space to the right of the file name and a list of options will come up. I have no idea if a blind person can know when he/she is in the right place to click using a mouse nor do I know whether the options that come up are accessible using a screen-reader or a mouse.

I'm curious also about some flash embedded objects that can't be worked with from the keyboard.

Thanks for any information.

I might buy a mouse and play around if it seems more access can be gotten in some situations.

Gene


Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene
 

I would think that I should be able to move to the end of the file name in the Drop Box example, then route the cursor to the review position, then use the Golden Cursor program to move a little to the right.  I tried that but I was unable to see anything related to deleting when I clicked with the NVDA mouse command.  Assuming that I was in the right place, a  menu or list of items may have come up in another part of the screen or it may have been inaccessible. 
 
I'm particularly curious about flash players where, when you click on the embedded object, you can't get play to occur no matter what you do after clicking.  I suspect that something must be clicked on somewhere else on the screen and I wonder if that thing is accessible with the mouse when moving around.  I haven't seen anything when moving with a screen-reader after clicking the object..
 
this will become less a problem with the ongoing adoption of HTML5 but it would be nice to know while the problem exists.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

Gene,

         I cannot speak in any specific way to Dropbox since I do not use it, but I can speak to some general bits related to mouse use and/or the Golden Cursor add-on for actions non-accessible otherwise.

         If a given website presents things like a list of files consistently such that you know there will be white space that a sighted person would right click on and the display is in a tabular format then you can definitely try using the mouse once the PC cursor (mouse cursor) has been routed to the virtual cursor and pulling in the direction you need to go with a steady hand in that direction.  The trick here is that there is no control for NVDA to read when you get to "the right spot" since that spot is blank.  This is why I think that Golden Cursor is more helpful for situations such as this one where the respective "row" positions are consistent as are the "column" positions for the white space.  If you set up the collection of pixel positions for any given screen, for example the maximum number of files that Dropbox will display on a single screen's worth of information, you can route your mouse pointer to the respective "white space" locations per file and then just right click with the mouse or mouse pad once the mouse pointer is known to be positioned where it needs to be.

          I generally have folks try using the mouse as a "quick an dirty" review of what might be on a page but there is a lot of potential for mouse use with NVDA's mouse tracking feature enabled.  Invisible controls, such as those you describe, are a real challenge and I'm actually surprised that Dropbox does not implement them in such a way that a screen reader user would land on a control that is announced but that is completely invisible to a sighted person since they can be given the generic instruction to "right click on the white space to the right of the file name".  I've been on certain sites that use non-visible links and controls specifically for screen-reader users, but I can't pull up an example at the moment.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004



Re: [Off topic] Raspberry Pi and accessibility, where to start?

Arlene
 

Oh right on!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf
Sent: March-14-17 2:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Off topic] Raspberry Pi and accessibility, where to start?

 

The pi is a computer which is basically a circket board with a ram and processor about the size of a credit card.  They're very cheep, and let you do some very specific things.  You know, you can make a cloud server or a home automation server, or build your own electronic device with a custom chassey like an mp3 player or a telephone or something.

They are pretty neet, and the hardware is getting serious.

Best,

Erik

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On March 14, 2017 5:24:31 PM "Arlene" <nedster66@...> wrote:

What is this?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: March-14-17 11:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [Off topic] Raspberry Pi and accessibility, where to start?

 

raspberryVI group/mailing list:

http://www.raspberryvi.org/stories/index.html

 

Jacob
Kruger
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Skype:
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versatile..."

On 2017-03-14 19:52, mk360 wrote:

Hi,

First of all, sorry for the off topic.

About the Raspberry Pi, I know some people is working with it, so where can I start how to play with it? in accessible modes, obviously (that is the reasson because I'm asking this here).

Thanks, and please, reply to my private mail, no to the list.

mk.

 


Re: Using the physical mouse with NVDA on some inaccessible Internet controls

 

Gene,

         I cannot speak in any specific way to Dropbox since I do not use it, but I can speak to some general bits related to mouse use and/or the Golden Cursor add-on for actions non-accessible otherwise.

         If a given website presents things like a list of files consistently such that you know there will be white space that a sighted person would right click on and the display is in a tabular format then you can definitely try using the mouse once the PC cursor (mouse cursor) has been routed to the virtual cursor and pulling in the direction you need to go with a steady hand in that direction.  The trick here is that there is no control for NVDA to read when you get to "the right spot" since that spot is blank.  This is why I think that Golden Cursor is more helpful for situations such as this one where the respective "row" positions are consistent as are the "column" positions for the white space.  If you set up the collection of pixel positions for any given screen, for example the maximum number of files that Dropbox will display on a single screen's worth of information, you can route your mouse pointer to the respective "white space" locations per file and then just right click with the mouse or mouse pad once the mouse pointer is known to be positioned where it needs to be.

          I generally have folks try using the mouse as a "quick an dirty" review of what might be on a page but there is a lot of potential for mouse use with NVDA's mouse tracking feature enabled.  Invisible controls, such as those you describe, are a real challenge and I'm actually surprised that Dropbox does not implement them in such a way that a screen reader user would land on a control that is announced but that is completely invisible to a sighted person since they can be given the generic instruction to "right click on the white space to the right of the file name".  I've been on certain sites that use non-visible links and controls specifically for screen-reader users, but I can't pull up an example at the moment.
--
Brian

    I don't find an uninformed hatred a "principled position" that I need to respect in any way.

        ~ Ellen Evans, soc.motss, 11/6/2004