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Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Gene

#16197

Regarding your first message, any screen-reader can be set to only run when you run it and you can unload it when finished. But if your intention is to only read text, often just a small amount, then have it not run, then run it again when you want to read more text and make such changes frequently, any screen-reader may take an annoying amount of time to run when you run it. You'll have to see how long NVDA takes when you run it repeatedly. The first time you run it may take longer than subsequent times so you can't judge by the first time. If you are using the installed version, you can use these two commands without any further work. NVDA key, which is either insert in the default desktop layout, and q while holding the NVDA key, brings up the unload NVDA dialog. Press enter once it comes up. To run NVDA, use the command control alt j. You can put NVDA to sleep in the program you are using and quickly resume operation when desired but as far as I know, that feature doesn't turn off the screen-reader except in that one program. I'll discuss sleep more if you want to continue trying NVDA. But the first question is whether any screen-reader is the best choice. There may be programs that read selected text and those may serve you better. There may be list members who know of such programs.

As far as voices are concerned, there are a lot of voices available, some free voices, some you pay for. You can use demos of paid voices and you can try free voices, of course, as unlimited free programs.

You can read more about available voices here:

https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/ExtraVoices

Regarding your second message, please send it again. As moderator, I know why it didn't reach the list and you won't have that problem any longer. It isn't a problem with your message, it has to do with how the list handles first messages and all your messages should now reach the list almost immediately.

Briefly, the first message sent by a new member must be approved. If a second message is sent before the first message is approved, I just found out that it, too, must be approved. I didn't know it and the second message was lost.

Gene

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----- Original Message -----

From: Fantasy Sports

Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 1:34 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA right for me?

Hello group,

I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts
of text easily without getting fatigue.

I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA,
JAWS, or possibly other programs.

Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not
sure it is the right program for me. Let me explain.

There are several people using this family computer, and I
don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows,
and run in the background and bother them.

We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have
to log on and off as different users. I myself don't even
want to use this type of software all the time when I use
the computer.

I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off
whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text
at any given time.

Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its
extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it
just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.

I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't
want something too robotic sounding.

So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited
way, is NVDA right for me?

Re: Is NVDA right for me?

Roger Stewart

#16196

I would give it a try. When you install it, you have the option of having nvda always start when the computer starts or not. If you uncheck this, nvda won't run unless you send the command of ctrl, alt, and N keys.  That will start it and it will speak. When you're done, just hit the NVDA key (numpad insert plus Q and it will  ask if you want to quit nvda. just hit enter and it will be gone until you want to use it again.

Roger

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On 3/13/2017 1:34 AM, Fantasy Sports wrote:
Hello group,

I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts
of text easily without getting fatigue.

I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA,
JAWS, or possibly other programs.

Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not
sure it is the right program for me.  Let me explain.

There are several people using this family computer, and I
don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows,
and run in the background and bother them.

We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have
to log on and off as different users.  I myself don't even
want to use this type of software all the time when I use
the computer.

I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off
whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text
at any given time.

Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its
extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it
just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.

I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't
want something too robotic sounding.

So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited
way, is NVDA right for me?

Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Gene

#16195

%The problem has already been described as a slow start of Eloquence on boot up. No recording is useful unless there are other problems that haven't been described and that can't be adequately described in words. Unresponsiveness can easily be described in words as well.

Gene

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----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 7:21 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

If your having problems with the code factory eloquence I would contact them and maybe make a recording so they know what the exact problem is.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I was under the impression that embedded eloquence in Jaws is not able to be used outside, so you need to have one of the two, I think legal versions for nvda.
as an aside and this is not recommended, the old sappi 4 version distributed as via voice out loud with the old ibm home page reader, seems to be actually very reliable. I really cannot take Eloquence though as I find its lisp very annoying after a while!
Brian

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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong! For some
Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond! I have
it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA. Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws
18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system. I could
be lying!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Griffith
Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this
end.

There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this
which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory
Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence
addon as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person
retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.

If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country
that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel as
a partial solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from
Code Factry as I understand it.

Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound
Control Panel applet the experience of people experiencing this delay may
well vary.

David Griffith

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From: matthew dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic483@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Hi,

Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is
an NVDA problem. JMT.

Matthew

On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the
additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large File Explorer
windows.

This does not happen with the illegal versions of Eloquence which is
disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

I managed to improve matters to some degree by going into the Sound
Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and
turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting
just basic stereo as my output format.

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output
from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute or more for NVDA to
load.

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer
windows but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows
Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up
and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally
catches up.

David Griffith

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From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <mailto:darrell.shandrow@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Hello Everyone,

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s
Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

I am running on Windows 10.

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved
this issue?

Thanks,

Darrell

Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Gene

#16194

As I've said before, you are describing the Brittish voice. That voice has unpleasant characteristics. The American voice doesn't have the characteristics you are discussing.

Gene

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From: Brian's Mail list account

Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 3:44 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I was under the impression that embedded eloquence in Jaws is not able to
be used outside, so you need to have one of the two, I think legal versions
for nvda.
as an aside and this is not recommended, the old sappi 4 version
distributed as via voice out loud with the old ibm home page reader, seems
to be actually very reliable. I really cannot take Eloquence though as I
find its lisp very annoying after a while!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong! For some
Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond! I have
it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA. Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws
18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system. I could
be lying!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David
Griffith
Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this
end.

There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this
which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory
Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence
addon as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person
retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.

If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country
that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel as
a partial solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from
Code Factry as I understand it.

Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound
Control Panel applet the experience of people experiencing this delay may
well vary.

David Griffith

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From: matthew dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic483@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Hi,

Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is
an NVDA problem. JMT.

Matthew

On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the
additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large File Explorer
windows.

This does not happen with the illegal versions of Eloquence which is
disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

I managed to improve matters to some degree by going into the Sound
Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and
turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting
just basic stereo as my output format.

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output
from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute or more for NVDA to
load.

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer
windows but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows
Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up
and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally
catches up.

David Griffith

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From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <mailto:darrell.shandrow@...>
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Hello Everyone,

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s
Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

I am running on Windows 10.

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved
this issue?

Thanks,

Darrell

Is NVDA right for me?

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>

#16193

Hello group,

I have a cognitive impairment and can't read large amounts
of text easily without getting fatigue.  

I am trying to decide between using Windows Narrator, NVDA,
JAWS, or possibly other programs.

Although NVDA is free and is supposed to be good, I'm not
sure it is the right program for me.  Let me explain.

There are several people using this family computer, and I
don't want an intrusive program that will take over Windows,
and run in the background and bother them.

We all use the same log in, and I don't want people to have
to log on and off as different users.  I myself don't even
want to use this type of software all the time when I use
the computer.

I personally just want a program that I can turn on and off
whenever I want to read out loud a specific piece of text
at any given time.

Windows Narrator is pretty easy to turn on and off, but its
extremely difficult to control what it reads out loud, it
just starts spewing without end whatever is on the screen.

I also don't know how the voice sounds in NVDA, but I don't
want something too robotic sounding.

So based on that I just want to use this program in a limited
way, is NVDA right for me?

Re: Accessible Application Updater

Casey <cwollner@...>

#16192

Hi where do you get this Puran Utilities  software that you
talked about?

And is it speech friendly using NVDA and what do you need to know when
you get this software and install it?

Also is this software free?

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On 3/13/2017 3:54 AM, john s wrote:
I tried Revo and wasn't impressed.  I thought the uninstaller in the
Puran Utilities was much better.  That installer took out things that
Revo left behind.

At 04:47 AM 3/13/2017, you wrote:
I think the ninite one allows you to bundle several programs together
and install in one go, but yes, in the end you are tied to  whatever
software a site has.


I see that the new revo although updated is still completely
inaccessible to us.
Its such a shame when a user interface is changed for the worse.
B Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Application Updater


fare point,   but then again the file hippo program is just the same
I think?

On 12/03/2017 10:25, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on
the site.
In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
accessible.
Brian

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Ninite is good www.ninite.com hope this helps.

On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? Iâ€™ve
been using
Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was
anything
better.



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Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

David Griffith

#16191

It is a long thread so my initial fix may have got lost.

I did contact the Code Factory Retailer and the advice is to simplify your sound card properties in Control Panel , that is remove special affects like surround sound or other themes and just rely on basic stereo output.

It is not perfect but it definitely improve matters.

David Griffith

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From: Dennis L
Sent: 13 March 2017 12:24
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

If your having problems with the code factory eloquence I would contact them and maybe make a recording so they know what the exact problem is.

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account

Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:45 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I was under the impression that embedded eloquence in Jaws is not able to be used outside, so you need to have one of the two, I think legal versions for nvda.

as an aside and this is not recommended, the old sappi 4 version distributed as via voice out loud with the old ibm home page reader, seems to be actually very reliable. I really cannot take Eloquence though as I find its lisp very annoying after a while!

Brian

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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:10 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong! For some

Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond! I have

it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA. Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws

18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system. I could

be lying!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David

Griffith

Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this

end.

There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this

which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory

Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence

addon as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person

retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.

If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country

that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel as

a partial solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from

Code Factry as I understand it.

Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound

Control Panel applet the experience of people experiencing this delay may

well vary.

David Griffith

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From: matthew dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic483@...>

Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Hi,

Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is

an NVDA problem. JMT.

Matthew

On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the

additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large File Explorer

windows.

This does not happen with the illegal versions of Eloquence which is

disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

I managed to improve matters to some degree by going into the Sound

Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and

turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting

just basic stereo as my output format.

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output

from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute or more for NVDA to

load.

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer

windows but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows

Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up

and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally

catches up.

David Griffith

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From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <mailto:darrell.shandrow@...>

Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Hello Everyone,

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s

Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

I am running on Windows 10.

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved

this issue?

Thanks,

Darrell

Re: Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Dennis L

#16190

If your having problems with the code factory eloquence I would contact them and maybe make a recording so they know  what the exact problem is.

Show quoted text

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Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 4:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I was under the impression that embedded eloquence  in Jaws is not able to be used outside, so you need to have one of the two, I think legal versions for nvda.
 as an aside and this is not recommended, the old sappi 4 version distributed as via voice out loud with the old ibm home page reader, seems to be actually very reliable. I really cannot take Eloquence  though as I find its lisp very annoying after a while!
 Brian

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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, March 12, 2017 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

It also depends on your system as well. I hope I’m wrong!  For some 
Elequence may respond quickly while for some it’s slow to respond!  I have 
it in jaws 14 and I use E speak for NVDA.  Now, Mind you I don’t have Jaws 
18 but if it responds no problem then you may have a good system.  I could 
be lying!

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David 
Griffith
Sent: March-12-17 11:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

I am sorry you have problems with Jaws also. Jaws 18 is fine for me at this 
end.

There is a known issue with Code Factory Eloquence  with NVDA.

I have seen several complaints from NVDA users on other lists than this 
which complain of the extreme delay with NVDA loading with Code Factory 
Eloquence. This caused some to recommend using the illegal NVDA Eloquence 
addon  as an alternative which drew an angry response from the person 
retailing Code Factory Eloquence in this country.

If was from this person retailing the Code Factory product in this country 
that I learnt the tip of amending sound properties in the Control Panel  as 
a partial  solution to the slow loading. He in turn had got this advice from 
Code Factry as I understand it.

Presumably as not all people have the same configurations in their Sound 
Control Panel applet  the  experience of people experiencing this delay may 
well vary.

David Griffith

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From: matthew dyer <mailto:ilovecountrymusic483@gmail.com>
Sent: 12 March 2017 18:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Hi,

Using jfw 18 with elequence, I have this problem sop I don't think this is 
an NVDA problem.  JMT.

Matthew

On 03/12/2017 06:42 AM, David Griffith wrote:

Yes I have had this issue of extreme delayed start up along with the 
additional issue of NVDA and eloquence freezing in large  File Explorer 
windows.

This does not happen with the  illegal versions of Eloquence which is 
disappointing from a a Code Factory quality point of view.

I managed to improve matters  to some degree by going into the Sound 
Properties in Windows Control Panel, selecting my default sound device and 
turning off all the fancy affects like surround sound and just selecting 
just basic stereo as my output format.

This has had the affect of slightly diminishing the funkier music output 
from my PC but I am not now waiting upt to a minute  or more for NVDA to 
load.

I still get the problem of NVDA not responding with large file explorer 
windows  but what I have learnt is that if you turn Narrator on with Windows 
Enter temporarily you can navigate your file lists fine until NVDA wakes up 
and starts responding again. I just turn Narrator off when NVDA finally 
catches up.

David Griffith

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From: Darrell Shandrow Hilliker <mailto:darrell.shandrow@gmail.com>
Sent: 12 March 2017 10:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Eloquence delay after launching NVDA.

Hello Everyone,

I am experiencing a significant delay after launching NVDA with Code Factory’s 
Eloquence implementation selected as the speech synthesizer.

I am running on Windows 10.

Does anyone else experience this issue and, if so, what steps have resolved 
this issue?

Thanks,

Darrell

Re: Using NVDA from a thumb drive?

Judy Jones <sonshines59@...>

#16189

That is way too bad, as narrator doesn't even compare! That would be one thing if it were NVDA or Jaws quality.

Judy
sent from the U2 Mini

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To:  nvda@nvda.groups.io
CC: 
Date: Monday, March 13, 2017 2:51 am
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA from a thumb drive?

I'll let others put up  the way they do this, but do beware.
 If the machine you are using the temp version on is running windows 10, 
there are a lot of things that won't read any more that did in windows xp 
and 7. It seems the  paranoid security folk have made it very hard to get at 
some accessibility apis from a program not being run as an admin.
 I notice for example some bits of windows just do not work, and ccleaner 
loses its list of problems etc.
 I was very disappointed in this, as it seems that Microsoft have made 
everyone use Narrator on 10 if its not your computer.
 Brian

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From: "Judy Jones" <sonshines59@gmail.com>
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Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA from a thumb drive?

Greetings,

I am new to the list, and somewhat familiar with NVDA and love it.
Question:  Is there a way to use NVDA from a thumbdrive, for instance, 
would
I be able to use it on whatever computer I am assigned to, as long as I
bring my thumb drive with me?  How does that work?

I have been a Jaws user for almost 20 years, hard to believe, but hope 
NVDA
has the portability I would need.  Thanks for any instructions and advice.

Judy

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Re: Accessible Application Updater

john s

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I tried Revo and wasn't impressed.  I thought the uninstaller in the Puran Utilities was much better.  That installer took out things that Revo left behind.

At 04:47 AM 3/13/2017, you wrote:
I think the ninite one allows you to bundle several programs together and install in one go, but yes, in the end you are tied to  whatever software a site has.


I see that the new revo although updated is still completely inaccessible to us.
Its such a shame when a user interface is changed for the worse.
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fare point,   but then again the file hippo program is just the same I think?

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Like most of these though, it can only update apps that exist on the site.
In the real world many programs do have their own check for updates
function now. The snag can be that the web site they route to is not
accessible.
Brian

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Ninite is good www.ninite.com hope this helps.

On 11/03/2017 05:40, Lanie Molinar wrote:
Hi. Does anyone know of a good app updater for Windows? Iâ€™ve been using
Filehippo App manager, but I was wondering if the if there was anything
better.



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Re: Using NVDA from a thumb drive?

Judy Jones <sonshines59@...>

#16187

Hi,

I'm talking about Windows 10 machines, and the windows-key R then typing in the word Narrator wbring it up.

Judy
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Date: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:38 pm
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA from a thumb drive?

Hi

It will depend also how you start narrator in earlier versions of Windows to. there were a couple of different ways to start it depending on the windows version but using the Windows key + letter R then typing in narrator then pressing the enter key would usually do it.

I think in xp, vista etc you could do it this way.

If not then in xp and i think vista it was the windows key + letter U then the ALT key + letter N

Later on i think in 7 and up it was the windows key + the enter key to start narrator.

I think the directions are up there on the web site any how i would have to check to be sure.

Gene nz

On 13/03/2017 4:08 PM, Judy Jones wrote:

Greetings,

I am new to the list, and somewhat familiar with NVDA and love it.  Question:  Is there a way to use NVDA from a thumbdrive, for instance, would I be able to use it on whatever computer I am assigned to, as long as I bring my thumb drive with me?  How does that work?

I have been a Jaws user for almost 20 years, hard to believe, but hope NVDA has the portability I would need.  Thanks for any instructions and advice.

Judy

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Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
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Re: Using NVDA from a thumb drive?

Judy Jones <sonshines59@...>

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Thank you very much!

Judy
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Date: Sunday, March 12, 2017 10:12 pm
Subject: Re: [nvda] Using NVDA from a thumb drive?

Hi Judy

I guess it depends whic way you start NVDA from the thumb drive and on which operating system.

The older xp system i think it was you could plug it in and a auto play menu would come up with start nVDA but in later versions this was stopped.

it also depends if you done it on a CD if the auto play menu was enabled or not.

I do have some different ways on my website along with any extra files that might be needed. The extra files were more for the auto play menu part of windows.

The steps were either done using a Windows 7 machine and i think on windows 10 as well.

the link to the pages where the audio or written tutorials are can be found at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20audio%20tutorials.html
You can jump down by heading to the portable tutorials. there are a few different ones to pick from.

I like the one where you name the usb stick qqq then make a folder on the usb stick called nvda then have all the files put into it.

if you get stuff on a new machine you can always bring up narrator to start your copy of nvda as well.

I am so used to starting a computer without narrator i have got used to it.

Any how have a sus and look for the ones that say portable.

They are easy to follow.

hope they help.

Gene nz

On 13/03/2017 4:08 PM, Judy Jones wrote:

Greetings,

I am new to the list, and somewhat familiar with NVDA and love it.  Question:  Is there a way to use NVDA from a thumbdrive, for instance, would I be able to use it on whatever computer I am assigned to, as long as I bring my thumb drive with me?  How does that work?

I have been a Jaws user for almost 20 years, hard to believe, but hope NVDA has the portability I would need.  Thanks for any instructions and advice.

Judy

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the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
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Re: Using NVDA from a thumb drive?

Judy Jones <sonshines59@...>

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Thanks! I am keeping these instructions, and they do make sense.

Judy
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There is more than one way to make a portable copy of NVDA.  Here is one way.  I am assuming that NVDA is already installed on your machine.  

Major new steps start on new lines.

First, create a folder in which you want to install NVDA.
Then, while NVDA is running, open the NvDA menu with NVDA key not.
Down arrow to tools.
Press enter.  You are now in a submenu.  
Down arrow to create portable copy and press enter.
You are now in a dialog. 
Tab to the browse button and press enter.
If you don't know how to work with the dialog you are now in, ask here.
Open the folder you have created to place NVDA in.
Then continue to make the portable copy.  Look around the dialog and if you have questions, ask here.
Once yu have made the portable copy, copy the folder you created onto the thumb drive.
Or cut it to the thumb drive, whichever you wish.
To run NVDA from the thumb drive, connect the thumb drive to the machine you want to run it on.  Have Narrator running before you connect the thumb drive.  If you don't know how to run Narrator, ask here.
Once Narrator is running, find the folder that contains NVDA on the thumb drive.  Open the folder.
Look for NVDA.EXE and press enter.  You will probably just here nvda but not exe.  
NVDA will run.  I don't know if you will be asked anything first such as if you want to run the file.  I don't think so.  
Then close Narrator.  It will cause no problem to have NVDA and Narrator running simultaneously so close Narrator and continue running NVDA.

Gene 
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Subject: [nvda] Using NVDA from a thumb drive?

Greetings,

I am new to the list, and somewhat familiar with NVDA and love it.  Question:  Is there a way to use NVDA from a thumbdrive, for instance, would I be able to use it on whatever computer I am assigned to, as long as I bring my thumb drive with me?  How does that work?

I have been a Jaws user for almost 20 years, hard to believe, but hope NVDA has the portability I would need.  Thanks for any instructions and advice.

Judy

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