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Re: How to turn off NVDA

Gene
 

The insert key is checked by default. also, the initial message indicates that the dialog opens and they use it to try to close the program. NVDA is either not shutting down correctlyy or not at all.

I suspect that what is happening is that it is crashing instead of shutting down and if it crashes, it might restart because it is designed to automatically restart after a crash.

Attempting a reinstallation may correct the problem but if it doesn't, the task manager can be used to close the program and do no harm to it.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA



I suspect that the option to start nvda after signin is checked

Go to nvda preferences > settings > general and uncheck the option to start nvda after signin



also make sure that the insert key has been checked to use as a modifier key

under keyboard options for nvda





From: Food Posse
Sent: 28 December 2020 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA





Can anyone help to fully turn off NVDA?



We are trying to set up a new computer for a friend and installed NVDA.

We are not familiar with screen readers so we launched NVDA to test it

for her. Then we tried to quit NVDA with insert + Q then OK, but NVDA

continued to run. No matter what we tried to quit, NVDA continued to

run. We finally went to the task manager to end task to stop NVDA. But

then NVDA automatically came back on whenever we installed or launched a

new program. We tried searching online for help but the Insert + Q or

Exit was the only option offered. But that option does not work for us.



When we turned Narrator on and off, it stayed off until we selected to

activate it. Is there a similar setting or way to turn off NVDA and for

it to stay off until we select to turn it on? Thank you for any help

the group can offer.


Re: How to turn off NVDA

Chris
 

I suspect that the option to start nvda after signin is checked

Go to nvda preferences > settings > general and uncheck the option to start nvda after signin

 

also make sure that the insert key has been checked to use as a modifier key

under keyboard options for nvda

 

From: Food Posse
Sent: 28 December 2020 18:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] How to turn off NVDA

 

Can anyone help to fully turn off NVDA?

 

We are trying to set up a new computer for a friend and installed NVDA.

We are not familiar with screen readers so we launched NVDA to test it

for her.  Then we tried to quit NVDA with insert + Q then OK, but NVDA

continued to run. No matter what we tried to quit, NVDA continued to

run. We finally went to the task manager to end task to stop NVDA. But

then NVDA automatically came back on whenever we installed or launched a

new program. We tried searching online for help but the Insert + Q or

Exit was the only option offered. But that option does not work for us.

 

When we turned Narrator on and off, it stayed off until we selected to

activate it.  Is there a similar setting or way to turn off NVDA and for

it to stay off until we select to turn it on?  Thank you for any help

the group can offer.

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: How to turn off NVDA

 

NVDA should not, ever, "self-restart" after having been manually turned off by the end user.  The fact that it is doing so suggests that something went wrong with the install of the program.  I would uninstall it, restart the machine, then reinstall it to see if the behavior goes away.

The only time it should auto-start is if you were to choose the option to "Start with Windows" while installing, and even then, if you use NVDA+Q (INS+Q in the desktop keyboard layout) to exit NVDA it should not self-restart afterward.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


How to turn off NVDA

Food Posse <allaboutfoodandfun@...>
 

Can anyone help to fully turn off NVDA?

We are trying to set up a new computer for a friend and installed NVDA. We are not familiar with screen readers so we launched NVDA to test it for her.  Then we tried to quit NVDA with insert + Q then OK, but NVDA continued to run. No matter what we tried to quit, NVDA continued to run. We finally went to the task manager to end task to stop NVDA. But then NVDA automatically came back on whenever we installed or launched a new program. We tried searching online for help but the Insert + Q or Exit was the only option offered. But that option does not work for us.

When we turned Narrator on and off, it stayed off until we selected to activate it.  Is there a similar setting or way to turn off NVDA and for it to stay off until we select to turn it on?  Thank you for any help the group can offer.


Re: NVDA remote access via an android app, narwhal

Suhas Dharwad
 

Hi,

Interesting app
I’ll surely give this a try.

Thanks.


Suhas
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On 12/28/2020 17:04, Jacob Kruger wrote:

Hope this isn't OT, but, not sure if many users are aware of an android app called narwhal, which allows you remote access to a PC with both NVDA and the NVDARemote add-on installed:

https://nvdaremote.com/


The app on the playstore is here:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vortex.narwall


Either way, since I have an additional machine here that am working with besides my primary development machine, I had installed both the same version of NVDA on it, along with the add-on, and, configured it to automatically set itself as a remote control target on startup, since don't want to have to switch between their two keyboards too often, and, thought would give this android software a try as well, for the first time.


I hooked up a full USB keyboard to my android handset via an OTG adapter, and, honestly, it worked pretty well overall, with the only issue being that it seemed to keep the numlock key locked, so had to work with either caps-lock or the additional insert key above the cursor arrow keys as NVDA key, and, couldn't make use of the object navigation keystrokes on the numpad itself, so, might want to then work with laptop layout, or something.


But, was quite impressed either way since, while it didn't stream any other audio from the PC to my phone, it provided NVDA's spoken output to me via talkback's voice, with only a very slight lag.


And, this meant I could otherwise pretty much make full use of the PC, the software on it, do web searches, read the results, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."


Re: clickables

Gene
 

I sent this message to the wrong llist.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene via groups.io
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] clickables

this site gives links to read four approved Catholic Bibles. You may want
to ask which version is used in your class and if the instructor cares which
version you use.
https://mycatholic.life/bible/

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] clickables

Press enter on them just as you do for links. I'm not sure if NVDA reads
something as clickable at times when it isn't but that is what you do on a
properly clickable control.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] clickables


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Re: clickables

Gene
 

this site gives links to read four approved Catholic Bibles. You may want to ask which version is used in your class and if the instructor cares which version you use.
https://mycatholic.life/bible/

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] clickables

Press enter on them just as you do for links. I'm not sure if NVDA reads
something as clickable at times when it isn't but that is what you do on a
properly clickable control.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] clickables


How do I interact with clickables?
*********
family Times weekly Movie times



go to Doc's Stream
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
Ask Miss A to play family times on tuneIn
You can also find family times on OoTunes.

Get the stream guide:
http://www.wrighthere.net/FamilyTimes/playingnow.html
********


walking in VictoryI welcome all that are interested in joining our
devotionals on Monday thru saturdays at 8am EST. join the devotion channel.
Also, there is a weekly bible study at 8pm EST in the Walking with Jesus
channel.


Add the following information in your TeamTalk
host address: wiv.wrighthere.net
TCP/UDP ports: 10333

entry name: walking in Victory
tab twice and press space on Add/update

or
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zfa8s6ragw0yltb/WalkingInVictory.tt?dl=1


Re: clickables

Gene
 

Press enter on them just as you do for links. I'm not sure if NVDA reads something as clickable at times when it isn't but that is what you do on a properly clickable control.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 4:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] clickables


How do I interact with clickables?
*********
family Times weekly Movie times



go to Doc's Stream
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
Ask Miss A to play family times on tuneIn
You can also find family times on OoTunes.

Get the stream guide:
http://www.wrighthere.net/FamilyTimes/playingnow.html
********


walking in VictoryI welcome all that are interested in joining our devotionals on Monday thru saturdays at 8am EST. join the devotion channel.
Also, there is a weekly bible study at 8pm EST in the Walking with Jesus channel.


Add the following information in your TeamTalk
host address: wiv.wrighthere.net
TCP/UDP ports: 10333

entry name: walking in Victory
tab twice and press space on Add/update

or
https://www.dropbox.com/s/zfa8s6ragw0yltb/WalkingInVictory.tt?dl=1


NVDA remote access via an android app, narwhal

Jacob Kruger
 

Hope this isn't OT, but, not sure if many users are aware of an android app called narwhal, which allows you remote access to a PC with both NVDA and the NVDARemote add-on installed:

https://nvdaremote.com/


The app on the playstore is here:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=im.vortex.narwall


Either way, since I have an additional machine here that am working with besides my primary development machine, I had installed both the same version of NVDA on it, along with the add-on, and, configured it to automatically set itself as a remote control target on startup, since don't want to have to switch between their two keyboards too often, and, thought would give this android software a try as well, for the first time.


I hooked up a full USB keyboard to my android handset via an OTG adapter, and, honestly, it worked pretty well overall, with the only issue being that it seemed to keep the numlock key locked, so had to work with either caps-lock or the additional insert key above the cursor arrow keys as NVDA key, and, couldn't make use of the object navigation keystrokes on the numpad itself, so, might want to then work with laptop layout, or something.


But, was quite impressed either way since, while it didn't stream any other audio from the PC to my phone, it provided NVDA's spoken output to me via talkback's voice, with only a very slight lag.


And, this meant I could otherwise pretty much make full use of the PC, the software on it, do web searches, read the results, etc. etc.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"...resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."


clickables

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

How do I interact with clickables?
*********
family Times weekly Movie times
 

go to Doc's Stream
http://stream.wrighthere.net:8000/stream.mp3
Ask Miss A to play family times on tuneIn
You can also find family times on OoTunes.
 
 

walking in VictoryI welcome all that are interested in joining our devotionals on Monday thru saturdays at 8am EST. join the devotion channel.
Also, there is a weekly bible study at 8pm EST in the Walking with Jesus channel.
 

Add the following information in your TeamTalk
host address: wiv.wrighthere.net
TCP/UDP ports: 10333
 
entry name: walking in Victory
tab twice and press space on Add/update
 


I have a problem with the NVDA Alpha and Chrome

austin.finadm@...
 

hi all.
i use nvda alfa snapshot.
when i close the lid of my laptop and browse the net using chrome,
pages dont load and chrome becomes unresponsive.
i have reinstalled chrome and nvda.
but the problem is still there.
what will this be?


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

 

Well there are 3d printers.

Now you couldn't create the model or image to throw at it but in theory if you could get that and had the components you could make a model.

That may be accessible..

People use 3d printers to make everything, in theory you could make bits of humans like eyes for existance.

In practice, nasa has used 3d printers to build rockets and things and they work so yeah, its got potential.

For the home users you can only make plastic models but if you had the ability and the models, toner, etc then you could make a modle of an engine maybe.

On 27/12/2020 6:41 am, Jonathan COHN via groups.io wrote:
No, I can't see how Tiger could make the designer portion of their software accessible. it allows one to import images and then reduce their complexity so that millions of colors and pixels can be represented on a dot scale that has just a few heights. i believe the import and emboss portions of the software are usable by screen readers, but taking a multi-color representation of the internal combustion engine and rendering that or parts of that to be useable as a training tool for the blind is something that in our current technology phase requires one to have some working vision. I would love to hear ideas of how this could be done, but that would not belong on this list.


on dec 26, 2020, at 08:54, ali savas <ali-savas@gmx.de> wrote:

hi,

i had to make the experience so far that the tiger software suite is
somehow usable, but i would not speak of accessible here yet. actually
very sad, considering that the target group is actually the blind users.

regards
ali









Re: Does Dictation Bridge work with latest NVDA?

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Milton



I think some body said you need the beta version of it I am guessing it is on the website where you saw that add on.


If you are new to nvda press the nvda key + letter N then arrow to tools a sub menu will come up then arrow down to manage add ons then press the enter key. When the next screen comes up tab a few times until you hear nvda say get add ons then press the enter key your browser will come up with add ons on that page it says a little about the add on on the main page so find the link to the add on you are interested in press the enter key and on the next page it says what it does etc and you can download the add on from there.


by the way look at the dates as some have not been updated to work with the latest nvda version usually found on the main page.


there are other places where you can also get add ons from but this is the official page for them that comes up in the add on manager.


Gene nz



On 27/12/2020 2:14 pm, Milton Charlton wrote:
Does Dictation Bridge work with the latest NVDA?
As far as I can tell, the latest version of Dictation Bridge is v1.1 .
The description of Dictation Bridge indicates that it would be very useful for an unsighted person who does not touch type and needs to use their computer only with audio in/out.

Are there other addons to NVDA like Dictation Bridge?  It seems to be a group of macros that use Windows Speech Recognition (or Dragon) to control NVDA or JAWS.

Thanks

Milton
Toronto


Does Dictation Bridge work with latest NVDA?

Milton Charlton
 

Does Dictation Bridge work with the latest NVDA?
As far as I can tell, the latest version of Dictation Bridge is v1.1 .
The description of Dictation Bridge indicates that it would be very useful for an unsighted person who does not touch type and needs to use their computer only with audio in/out.

Are there other addons to NVDA like Dictation Bridge?  It seems to be a group of macros that use Windows Speech Recognition (or Dragon) to control NVDA or JAWS.

Thanks

Milton
Toronto


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 05:00 PM, Gene wrote:
That isn't necessarily true. 
-
Gene, yes, that is necessarily true.  I never said that people couldn't discuss what they want to discuss, but you get no better idea of how a program works with the screen reader you're using, and your current skill with same, than playing with it.

That's true of anything.  Hands on is worth a thousand times more than what anyone else tells you.  Even when you hit roadblocks, you can then clearly identify where those are to ask further questions.

Asking about the accessibility of something purely in the abstract, when you can actually try it out for yourself, is not a good use of time beyond learning if something's just not accessible at all.  And I have seen way more than my share of declarations that software is "completely inaccessible" where I know for fact it is not because I have either played with it myself with a screen reader or had a client that used it.  There's a reason I included the observation, "accessible enough for what I want it for," because while 100% accessibility is the ideal, there's lots of software that's less than perfect where it's still just fine for the things the individual intends to use it for.

The best way to make these determinations is for the end user to play, play, play with the software.  And it doesn't matter what their skill with their screen reader is, because it's their baseline skill.  Accessibility questions revolve around teaching screen reader skills just as often as teaching specific software skills.

You constantly put up road blocks for things that are not relevant.  You start, for any you, with the skill set you've got.  You don't wait for the ideal, nor do you presume lack of skill absent evidence of same.  For heaven's sake, just stop!
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

Gene
 

That isn't necessarily true.  It depends on how much you know about using your screen-reader.  A program may not be properly accessible, but usable using things like object navigation and screen review in NVDA and the screen review methods a screen-reader other than NVDA makes available if you use a different one.  Looking through a program and trying it may tell you a good deal but it may still be useful to discuss further how to use it if you can't do what you want and your screen-reader knowledge isn't extensive about the various review methods offered.


Gene

On 12/26/2020 10:10 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 08:42 AM, Scott Berry wrote:
Go check it out that's the only way you will learn
-
Amen to that!  And since you can download a 30-day trial at the ViewPlus Page for Tiger Software Suite 7, you have absolutely nothing to lose.

The best way to determine if something is accessible, or at least "accessible enough for what I need it for," is to play with it yourself.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

Jonathan COHN
 

No, I can't see how Tiger could make the designer portion of their software accessible. it allows one to import images and then reduce their complexity so that millions of colors and pixels can be represented on a dot scale that has just a few heights. i believe the import and emboss portions of the software are usable by screen readers, but taking a multi-color representation of the internal combustion engine and rendering that or parts of that to be useable as a training tool for the blind is something that in our current technology phase requires one to have some working vision. I would love to hear ideas of how this could be done, but that would not belong on this list.


on dec 26, 2020, at 08:54, ali savas <ali-savas@gmx.de> wrote:

hi,

i had to make the experience so far that the tiger software suite is
somehow usable, but i would not speak of accessible here yet. actually
very sad, considering that the target group is actually the blind users.

regards
ali


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 08:42 AM, Scott Berry wrote:
Go check it out that's the only way you will learn
-
Amen to that!  And since you can download a 30-day trial at the ViewPlus Page for Tiger Software Suite 7, you have absolutely nothing to lose.

The best way to determine if something is accessible, or at least "accessible enough for what I need it for," is to play with it yourself.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

Ali Savas
 

Hi,

I had to make the experience so far that the tiger software suite is
somehow usable, but I would not speak of accessible here yet. Actually
very sad, considering that the target group is actually the blind users.

Regards
Ali


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

Scott Berry <sb356607@...>
 

Go check it out that's the only way you will laearn Josh.

On 12/25/2020 5:32 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
hi,

Is tiger software sweet the software used by the tiger braille embossers along with Microsoft word is it accessible with screen readers such as or NVDA? I am considering saving money and getting the basic configuration of the braille buddy embosser. But first I would like to know if the tiger software suite is accessible or not. I would probably just be using it with braille blaster, perky duck, and perhaps Microsoft office once I buy the home version.
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