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Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

The Gamages
 

Hello Chris and Gene,
 
Thank you for your replies, After much thought I remember doing this in the Jaws dictionary, I find no entries in any of the NVDA dictionaries, this seems strange to me, but, nevertheless, I have followed your advice and made an entry in the voice dictionary, I typed the letters co in the first field and then realised that it was no good typing the same into the next field, I had to type something which sounded like that which I desired, so I typed coe into this field, then pressed both the OK buttons in turn, this had the desired efect.
 
Of course, in the previous messages, the replacement was another word which could be spoken, so it worked, in my case I wanted co to be pronounced as just that with no frills, maybe worth a mention for anyone else in the same position.
 
unfortunately, after doing this, the word course is pronounced curse and could pronounced cooled, also cooled is hardly pronounce at all.
I’ve probably made things worse, so I had better try and undo all I have done.
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line
 

Try the following to get into the Voice dictionary:

NVDA+n – to open the NVDA menu

P – to open the preferences menu

D – to open the Speech dictionaries menu

V – to open the Voice dictionary dialog

Now press alt+d to list entries.  Use down arrow to move down the list, if nothing is listed, then there are no entries and as Gene says, it is maybe programmed into the synth you are using.  Try pressing alt+a and creating the entry you want, press the OK button when your entry is complete, then the OK button on the next screen.  Do some tests and see what you get.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 26 July 2016 12:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

 

Hello,

 

I’m going to sound really thick here, I have gone into all three dictionaries and can’t get NVDA to speak the list of entries in either the default dictionary or the voice dictionary. I want to get the word Co to say just that, not company or county , I want this whether there is a full stop after it or not. There is obviously an entry in the list pertaining to this which I want to delete, but first I need to find it in the list, as I said, I can’t get the list spokenin order to focus on this entry.

Can anyone elaborate on how to read the list?  Thank you in advance.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

 

You can do this via the speech dictionaries.  To edit the dictionary:

 

1. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu

2. Press P for preferences

3. Press enter or d for default dictionary, v for voice dictionary or t for temporary dictionary:

 

·  Default: rules in this dictionary affect all speech in NVDA.

·  Voice: rules in this dictionary affect speech for the synthesizer voice currently being used.

·  Temporary: rules in this dictionary affect all speech in NVDA, but only for the current session. These rules are temporary and will be lost if NVDA is restarted.

4. Press alt+a to add a new rule

5. Type "co." (with the dot but without the quotes)

6. Press tab

7. Type the new word (county)

8. Press enter

9. Press TAB four times to get to the OK button

10. Press ENTER.

 

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

I wonder if anyone can advise how I can get NVDA to say “County” when it meets the contraction “Co.” in an address line?

 

I am using “ETI Eloquence” as my speech engine in NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10.

 

This is the common way to present the County in both the UK and Ireland. For example, I live in County Wicklow and this is represented in my address line as “Co. Wicklow”. However, NVDA says “Company Wicklow” every time!

How can I fix this?

All advice and thoughts are welcome.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

Chris Mullins
 

Try the following to get into the Voice dictionary:

NVDA+n – to open the NVDA menu

P – to open the preferences menu

D – to open the Speech dictionaries menu

V – to open the Voice dictionary dialog

Now press alt+d to list entries.  Use down arrow to move down the list, if nothing is listed, then there are no entries and as Gene says, it is maybe programmed into the synth you are using.  Try pressing alt+a and creating the entry you want, press the OK button when your entry is complete, then the OK button on the next screen.  Do some tests and see what you get.

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Gamages
Sent: 26 July 2016 12:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

 

Hello,

 

I’m going to sound really thick here, I have gone into all three dictionaries and can’t get NVDA to speak the list of entries in either the default dictionary or the voice dictionary. I want to get the word Co to say just that, not company or county , I want this whether there is a full stop after it or not. There is obviously an entry in the list pertaining to this which I want to delete, but first I need to find it in the list, as I said, I can’t get the list spokenin order to focus on this entry.

Can anyone elaborate on how to read the list?  Thank you in advance.

 

Best Regards, Jim.

 

Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:00 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

 

You can do this via the speech dictionaries.  To edit the dictionary:

 

1. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu

2. Press P for preferences

3. Press enter or d for default dictionary, v for voice dictionary or t for temporary dictionary:

 

·  Default: rules in this dictionary affect all speech in NVDA.

·  Voice: rules in this dictionary affect speech for the synthesizer voice currently being used.

·  Temporary: rules in this dictionary affect all speech in NVDA, but only for the current session. These rules are temporary and will be lost if NVDA is restarted.

4. Press alt+a to add a new rule

5. Type "co." (with the dot but without the quotes)

6. Press tab

7. Type the new word (county)

8. Press enter

9. Press TAB four times to get to the OK button

10. Press ENTER.

 

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

Hi,

 

I wonder if anyone can advise how I can get NVDA to say “County” when it meets the contraction “Co.” in an address line?

 

I am using “ETI Eloquence” as my speech engine in NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10.

 

This is the common way to present the County in both the UK and Ireland. For example, I live in County Wicklow and this is represented in my address line as “Co. Wicklow”. However, NVDA says “Company Wicklow” every time!

How can I fix this?

All advice and thoughts are welcome.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 



 

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Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Chris,

 

Your explanation is very clear, thanks. Yes, I expect I was rushing and did not click the two OK buttons!

 

It looks as though our last two messages may have crossed but I think everything is sorted now. I have found some notes on the web about regex and I am working my way through these.

Thanks for your help.

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 12:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

 

Hi Cearbhall

The \b is RE syntax indicating a word boundary

“Co” is just a literal string

\. Here the backslash indicates the period character is to be treated as a literal as the period character itself is part of the RE syntax  

\s is RE syntax which indicates there should be “whitespace” following the “Co.” String.  Whitespace in this context can be a space, linefeed, carriage return, formfeed character, basically any formatting character not considered part of the word itself.

 

I’ve tried several combinations of patterns and replacements, both text and RE but  \bCo\.\s works the best.  When you edited the dictionary entry, did you press on the 2 OK buttons as you exited the dialog? 

 

Cheers

Chris

     

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: 26 July 2016 11:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

 

Chris,

 

I have just now tried this, exactly as you give it here, and it failed to translate any part of the sentence. Perhaps I did something wrong? Could you explain the parts fo the regular expression that you have used?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

Gene
 

Synthesizers are programmed to pronounce many abbreviations as though they are a certain thing such as capital c o period  as company.  This is not caused by the screen-reader and no entry will be found in any user dictionary. 
 
You can change what is said by creating a dictionary entry, but unless you have created entries in the NVDA dictionaries, there will not be any entries. 
 
I don't know if NVDA itself has been programmed to pronounce anything in certain ways but if it has, no dictionary entries account for it.  The pronounciations are placed somewhere else and again, you can change them by creating a dictionary entry. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

Hello,
 
I’m going to sound really thick here, I have gone into all three dictionaries and can’t get NVDA to speak the list of entries in either the default dictionary or the voice dictionary. I want to get the word Co to say just that, not company or county , I want this whether there is a full stop after it or not. There is obviously an entry in the list pertaining to this which I want to delete, but first I need to find it in the list, as I said, I can’t get the list spokenin order to focus on this entry.
Can anyone elaborate on how to read the list?  Thank you in advance.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line
 
You can do this via the speech dictionaries.  To edit the dictionary:
 
1. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
2. Press P for preferences
3. Press enter or d for default dictionary, v for voice dictionary or t for temporary dictionary:
 
  • Default: rules in this dictionary affect all speech in NVDA.
  • Voice: rules in this dictionary affect speech for the synthesizer voice currently being used.
  • Temporary: rules in this dictionary affect all speech in NVDA, but only for the current session. These rules are temporary and will be lost if NVDA is restarted.

    4. Press alt+a to add a new rule
  • 5. Type "co." (with the dot but without the quotes)
    6. Press tab
    7. Type the new word (county)
    8. Press enter
    9. Press TAB four times to get to the OK button
    10. Press ENTER.
     
    More information on the dictionaries here: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/NVDA/documentation/en/userGuide.html#toc75
     
    Kind regards
     
    Quentin.
     
    On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

    Hi,

     

    I wonder if anyone can advise how I can get NVDA to say “County” when it meets the contraction “Co.” in an address line?

     

    I am using “ETI Eloquence” as my speech engine in NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10.

     

    This is the common way to present the County in both the UK and Ireland. For example, I live in County Wicklow and this is represented in my address line as “Co. Wicklow”. However, NVDA says “Company Wicklow” every time!

    How can I fix this?

    All advice and thoughts are welcome.

     

    All the best,

     

    Cearbhall

     

    m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

     



     
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    Re: Windows 10/nvda/powershell 64

    Mr. Wong Chi Wai <cwwong.pro@...>
     

    powershell is accessible with NVDA?
    In my experience, it didn't..... even I copy a command and press enter, it didn't speak the result.....


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    Hi, I assume folk are aware of this strange behaviour. Powershell is not something I use a lot, basically a glorified command prompt, but the 32 bit version has served me well on all machines before, and indeed works fine in windows 10, but..
    I did last night run the 64 bit version and found the following with nvda. Typing into the command line is silent, but cursoring and deleting works
    Running a command etc, results in a mixed spoken output of normal text output and single letters, ie spelled out speech, rather than that part of the output.
    Anyone know what causes this weird effect?
    Its not fixed in the next branch cos I tried it last night.
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    Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

    The Gamages
     

    Hello,
     
    I’m going to sound really thick here, I have gone into all three dictionaries and can’t get NVDA to speak the list of entries in either the default dictionary or the voice dictionary. I want to get the word Co to say just that, not company or county , I want this whether there is a full stop after it or not. There is obviously an entry in the list pertaining to this which I want to delete, but first I need to find it in the list, as I said, I can’t get the list spokenin order to focus on this entry.
    Can anyone elaborate on how to read the list?  Thank you in advance.
     
    Best Regards, Jim.
     

    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 12:00 AM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line
     
    You can do this via the speech dictionaries.  To edit the dictionary:
     
    1. Press NVDA+n to open the NVDA menu
    2. Press P for preferences
    3. Press enter or d for default dictionary, v for voice dictionary or t for temporary dictionary:
     
  • Default: rules in this dictionary affect all speech in NVDA.
  • Voice: rules in this dictionary affect speech for the synthesizer voice currently being used.
  • Temporary: rules in this dictionary affect all speech in NVDA, but only for the current session. These rules are temporary and will be lost if NVDA is restarted.

    4. Press alt+a to add a new rule
  • 5. Type "co." (with the dot but without the quotes)
    6. Press tab
    7. Type the new word (county)
    8. Press enter
    9. Press TAB four times to get to the OK button
    10. Press ENTER.
     
    More information on the dictionaries here: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/NVDA/documentation/en/userGuide.html#toc75
     
    Kind regards
     
    Quentin.
     
    On Mon, Jul 25, 2016 at 8:14 AM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra <cearbhall.omeadhra@...> wrote:

    Hi,

     

    I wonder if anyone can advise how I can get NVDA to say “County” when it meets the contraction “Co.” in an address line?

     

    I am using “ETI Eloquence” as my speech engine in NVDA 2016.2 and Windows 10.

     

    This is the common way to present the County in both the UK and Ireland. For example, I live in County Wicklow and this is represented in my address line as “Co. Wicklow”. However, NVDA says “Company Wicklow” every time!

    How can I fix this?

    All advice and thoughts are welcome.

     

    All the best,

     

    Cearbhall

     

    m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

     



     
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    Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

    Chris Mullins
     

    Hi Cearbhall

    The \b is RE syntax indicating a word boundary

    “Co” is just a literal string

    \. Here the backslash indicates the period character is to be treated as a literal as the period character itself is part of the RE syntax  

    \s is RE syntax which indicates there should be “whitespace” following the “Co.” String.  Whitespace in this context can be a space, linefeed, carriage return, formfeed character, basically any formatting character not considered part of the word itself.

     

    I’ve tried several combinations of patterns and replacements, both text and RE but  \bCo\.\s works the best.  When you edited the dictionary entry, did you press on the 2 OK buttons as you exited the dialog? 

     

    Cheers

    Chris

         

     

     

    From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
    Sent: 26 July 2016 11:32
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
    Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

     

    Chris,

     

    I have just now tried this, exactly as you give it here, and it failed to translate any part of the sentence. Perhaps I did something wrong? Could you explain the parts fo the regular expression that you have used?

     

    All the best,

     

    Cearbhall

     

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    Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

    Cearbhall O'Meadhra
     

    Chris,

     

    I copied your regular expression and pasted it into the pattern field and, this time, it worked! Strange, I carefully typed it in as I described in my email, exactly as you have written it and it failed.

     

    Here is my test  line:

    Co-operation between Co. Cork and Tesco & co in Co. Dublin for cooperation.

     

    This is now spoken perfectly, thanks.

     

    I would like to read a bit about the use of regular expressions so I would be grateful if you could point me at a useful tutorial or source to study.

     

    All the best,

     

    Cearbhall

     

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    Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

    Cearbhall O'Meadhra
     

    Chris,

     

    I have just now tried this, exactly as you give it here, and it failed to translate any part of the sentence. Perhaps I did something wrong? Could you explain the parts fo the regular expression that you have used?

     

    All the best,

     

    Cearbhall

     

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    Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

    Chris Mullins
     

    I’ve found the following dictionary entry works well in this case:

    Pattern: \bCo\.\s

    Replacement: county

    CaseSensitive: checked

    Type Grouping: Regular expression

     

    Cheers

    Chris

     

    From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Cearbhall O'Meadhra
    Sent: 26 July 2016 09:39
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
    Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

     

    Brian,

     

    Any idea where I might find the appropriate explanation of the use of regular expressions with NVDA?

     

    All the best,

     

    Cearbhall

     

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    Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

    Cearbhall O'Meadhra
     

    Brian,

     

    Any idea where I might find the appropriate explanation of the use of regular expressions with NVDA?

     

    All the best,

     

    Cearbhall

     

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    Brian's Mail list account BY <bglists@...>
     

    Well, Clamwin is quite frankly rubbish.
    Where to start and these things apply to the portable and installed versiions
    It is very slugish on the interface for the drive you want to scan
    The scans are very very long winded, and show lots of false positives. Don't know if it misses anything of course
    The updat sometimes fails with cannot connect to port 80 of some server address and then tries another and locks up and needs to be terminated from task manager.
    When it does update properly there is little information given on progress, but it seems to take an age to do it.
    Its all a bit disappointing really. I could not run this easily over other machines as I'd be for ever getting irritated.
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    Hi, I assume folk are aware of this strange behaviour. Powershell is not something I use a lot, basically a glorified command prompt, but the 32 bit version has served me well on all machines before, and indeed works fine in windows 10, but..
    I did last night run the 64 bit version and found the following with nvda. Typing into the command line is silent, but cursoring and deleting works
    Running a command etc, results in a mixed spoken output of normal text output and single letters, ie spelled out speech, rather than that part of the output.
    Anyone know what causes this weird effect?
    Its not fixed in the next branch cos I tried it last night.
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    Know what in most windows versions I'm finding I hardly ever access the start menu at all, instead thef first time I find I need something that is not on the desktop I create a shortcut to it. It may well look a bit naff to the sighted but sure as heck is easier to trigger if you use useful hot keys.

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    ----- Original Message -----
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    Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 3:22 AM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update


    Hi Arlene,

    Yes as you are doing now will work exactly the same in Windows 10. It's
    only if you access shut down from the Start menu that it's in a different
    place.

    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

    Hi, I'd just do windows m like I do now then alt f 4 and enter!

    -----Original Message-----
    From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
    Rosemarie Chavarria
    Sent: July-25-16 5:48 PM
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update

    Hi, Quentin,

    The easiest way for me to shut down is to go to the desktop, hit alt F-4
    and hit enter. I also like the windows X, u and u keystroke too. It's
    similar to how you'd shut down in windows XP.

    Rosemarie

    -----Original Message-----
    From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
    Quentin Christensen
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 4:26 PM
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update

    Hi Steve,

    To be honest, one of the biggest changes I have found, is that the start
    menu is now three columns wide. The left column has user account / file
    explorer / settings / power, the middle column has recent apps then all
    apps (first letter navigation jumps straight to first app of that letter in
    full apps list), and the right column has the windows 8 style tiles. You
    can still only pin to the right column but at least you can press the
    context menu to get recent files for any program there now which is nice.

    What annoys me is that to shut down from here involves:
    1. Windows
    2. tab (takes you to the left column first, if you'd press down arrow
    you'd have started moving down the middle app list column).
    3. down arrow four times.
    4. enter
    5. down arrow
    6. enter.

    If you want to do it quicker, you can press WINDOWS+X , press U then U
    again, or windows+m to go to desktop then alt+f4, or just press the power
    button on your machine (I know that last one is easiest of all, I've just
    never got into the habit of doing it as that used to be strongly avoided
    due to data loss :)

    There's a new dark mode which you can get to without a registry hack now
    which affects mostly just settings but does make it a bit easier for some.

    Regards

    Quentin.

    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@... <mailto:
    mainefun40@...> > wrote:


    This is a major update for Windows 10 being released August 2. I
    know
    the update is out in Beta and many features have been changing
    since
    the earliest release. Since these updates load automatically, are
    there things we should be aware of as NVDA users?
    Here's an article from "The Verge" released Monday July 25 at
    about 9 A.m. EDT.


    http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12269736/microsoft-windows-10-anniversary-update-features-review

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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update

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    Will existing classic shell users get issues do you think?
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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
    To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:13 AM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update


    Hi,

    A lot of new things, will talk about it next week during a Tek Talk presentation.

    Cheers,

    Joseph



    From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:05 PM
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update



    Hi Quentin,

    Thank you so very much. I have been wondering what changes we will have in the new build. I like how the start area sounds being able to use first letter navigation to get through the all apps, and having three columns in the start area. Is the settings app laid out pretty much the same, or does the settings app have new categories, sub categories with in each category and so on?

    Thanks a lot, and I am really excited for next week.

    David Moore







    From: Quentin Christensen <mailto:quentin@...>

    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:26 PM

    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update



    Hi Steve,



    To be honest, one of the biggest changes I have found, is that the start menu is now three columns wide. The left column has user account / file explorer / settings / power, the middle column has recent apps then all apps (first letter navigation jumps straight to first app of that letter in full apps list), and the right column has the windows 8 style tiles. You can still only pin to the right column but at least you can press the context menu to get recent files for any program there now which is nice.



    What annoys me is that to shut down from here involves:

    1. Windows

    2. tab (takes you to the left column first, if you'd press down arrow you'd have started moving down the middle app list column).

    3. down arrow four times.

    4. enter

    5. down arrow

    6. enter.



    If you want to do it quicker, you can press WINDOWS+X , press U then U again, or windows+m to go to desktop then alt+f4, or just press the power button on your machine (I know that last one is easiest of all, I've just never got into the habit of doing it as that used to be strongly avoided due to data loss :)



    There's a new dark mode which you can get to without a registry hack now which affects mostly just settings but does make it a bit easier for some.



    Regards



    Quentin.



    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@... <mailto:mainefun40@...> > wrote:

    This is a major update for Windows 10 being released August 2. I know
    the update is out in Beta and many features have been changing since
    the earliest release. Since these updates load automatically, are
    there things we should be aware of as NVDA users?
    Here's an article from "The Verge" released Monday July 25 at about 9 A.m. EDT.

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12269736/microsoft-windows-10-anniversary-update-features-review

    --
    Steve Hoad










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    Re: [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line

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    Tis is whyI seem to recall it needs a regular expression so it won't actually triger in other situations. If only I had payed more attention at the time.. grin.

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    To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:04 PM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] [NVDA pronouncing "County" as "Company" in address line


    Kevin,



    That did the trick, thanks!



    The full contraction includes the Letters capital C, lowercase 0 and the
    full stop. However, I found that the dictionary would not recognize these
    three characters as a word. When I removed the full stop, the dictionary
    trapped it perfectly in standalone mode. This means that any other word with
    a capital C and lower case o would be trapped incorrectly. For example:

    "Co-operating with everyone"

    Comes out as "County-operating with everyone" instead of "co-operating with
    everyone".



    Is there any way to get the full stop included in the contraction as the
    dictionary pattern?



    Incidentally, the dictionary entry worked just as well in the default
    dictionary as in the voice dictionary. What is the difference between these
    two?



    All the best,



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    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update

    David Moore
     

    Hi Quentin,
    That would be interesting to know when that is available in Australia.
    I am excited about Cortana working with an Android phone, because that is the kind of phone I use.
    Just to let you know, It is 1:45 A.M. early Tuesday morning here in the eastern part of the United States LOL!
    Take care.
    David Moore
     
     

    Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2016 1:31 AM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
     
    Actually just a little update from my message - it's not that Cortana isn't available for my phone apparently, but that it isn't available in Australia yet.  Not sure when it might be, I've asked Microsoft and will let you know if I hear back.
     
    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
    The settings are laid out pretty much the same as they were.  They have tweaked how large DPI is handled and also I have a new monitor so it now appears as a column instead of a grid on my screen, but otherwise looks similar enough.
     
    Mostly the whole things looks similar to how it looked before with a few tweaks here and there and some things work better and some have new features.  Cortana for instance has new features which I can't comment too much on as to be honest I never really use it :)
     
    You can apparently get Cortana to show notifications from your Android device, which is nifty and you can reply to text messages and things, although apparently it's not compatible with my phone (it's fairly old - another reason for me to get a new phone!) so I can't test it directly just now.
     
     
     
    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:04 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
    Hi Quentin,
    Thank you so very much. I have been wondering what changes we will have in the new build. I like how the start area sounds being able to use first letter navigation to get through the all apps, and having three columns in the start area. Is the settings app laid out pretty much the same, or does the settings app have new categories, sub categories with in each category and so on?
    Thanks a lot, and I am really excited for next week.
    David Moore
     
     
     
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:26 PM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
     
    Hi Steve,
     
    To be honest, one of the biggest changes I have found, is that the start menu is now three columns wide.  The left column has user account / file explorer / settings / power, the middle column has recent apps then all apps (first letter navigation jumps straight to first app of that letter in full apps list), and the right column has the windows 8 style tiles.  You can still only pin to the right column but at least you can press the context menu to get recent files for any program there now which is nice.
     
    What annoys me is that to shut down from here involves:
    1. Windows
    2. tab (takes you to the left column first, if you'd press down arrow you'd have started moving down the middle app list column).
    3. down arrow four times.
    4. enter
    5. down arrow
    6. enter.
     
    If you want to do it quicker, you can press WINDOWS+X , press U then U again, or windows+m to go to desktop then alt+f4, or just press the power button on your machine (I know that last one is easiest of all, I've just never got into the habit of doing it as that used to be strongly avoided due to data loss :)
     
    There's a new dark mode which you can get to without a registry hack now which affects mostly just settings but does make it a bit easier for some.
     
    Regards
     
    Quentin.
     
    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@...> wrote:
    This is a major update for Windows 10 being released August 2.  I know
    the update is out in Beta and many features have been changing since
    the earliest release.  Since these updates load automatically, are
    there things we should be aware of as NVDA users?
    Here's an article from "The Verge" released Monday July 25 at about 9 A.m. EDT.

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12269736/microsoft-windows-10-anniversary-update-features-review

    --
    Steve Hoad





     
    --
    Quentin Christensen
    Training Material Developer
    Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



     
    --
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    Training Material Developer
    Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



     
    --
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    Training Material Developer
    Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

    Direct: +61 413 904 383
    www.nvaccess.org 
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
    Twitter: @NVAccess

    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update

    Quentin Christensen
     

    Actually just a little update from my message - it's not that Cortana isn't available for my phone apparently, but that it isn't available in Australia yet.  Not sure when it might be, I've asked Microsoft and will let you know if I hear back.

    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
    The settings are laid out pretty much the same as they were.  They have tweaked how large DPI is handled and also I have a new monitor so it now appears as a column instead of a grid on my screen, but otherwise looks similar enough.

    Mostly the whole things looks similar to how it looked before with a few tweaks here and there and some things work better and some have new features.  Cortana for instance has new features which I can't comment too much on as to be honest I never really use it :)

    You can apparently get Cortana to show notifications from your Android device, which is nifty and you can reply to text messages and things, although apparently it's not compatible with my phone (it's fairly old - another reason for me to get a new phone!) so I can't test it directly just now.



    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:04 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
    Hi Quentin,
    Thank you so very much. I have been wondering what changes we will have in the new build. I like how the start area sounds being able to use first letter navigation to get through the all apps, and having three columns in the start area. Is the settings app laid out pretty much the same, or does the settings app have new categories, sub categories with in each category and so on?
    Thanks a lot, and I am really excited for next week.
    David Moore
     
     
     
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:26 PM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
     
    Hi Steve,
     
    To be honest, one of the biggest changes I have found, is that the start menu is now three columns wide.  The left column has user account / file explorer / settings / power, the middle column has recent apps then all apps (first letter navigation jumps straight to first app of that letter in full apps list), and the right column has the windows 8 style tiles.  You can still only pin to the right column but at least you can press the context menu to get recent files for any program there now which is nice.
     
    What annoys me is that to shut down from here involves:
    1. Windows
    2. tab (takes you to the left column first, if you'd press down arrow you'd have started moving down the middle app list column).
    3. down arrow four times.
    4. enter
    5. down arrow
    6. enter.
     
    If you want to do it quicker, you can press WINDOWS+X , press U then U again, or windows+m to go to desktop then alt+f4, or just press the power button on your machine (I know that last one is easiest of all, I've just never got into the habit of doing it as that used to be strongly avoided due to data loss :)
     
    There's a new dark mode which you can get to without a registry hack now which affects mostly just settings but does make it a bit easier for some.
     
    Regards
     
    Quentin.
     
    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@...> wrote:
    This is a major update for Windows 10 being released August 2.  I know
    the update is out in Beta and many features have been changing since
    the earliest release.  Since these updates load automatically, are
    there things we should be aware of as NVDA users?
    Here's an article from "The Verge" released Monday July 25 at about 9 A.m. EDT.

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12269736/microsoft-windows-10-anniversary-update-features-review

    --
    Steve Hoad





     
    --
    Quentin Christensen
    Training Material Developer
    Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/




    --
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    Training Material Developer
    Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

    Direct: +61 413 904 383
    www.nvaccess.org 
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
    Twitter: @NVAccess 




    --
    Quentin Christensen
    Training Material Developer
    Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

    Direct: +61 413 904 383
    www.nvaccess.org 
    Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
    Twitter: @NVAccess 

    Re: Windows 10 Anniversary Update

    David Moore
     

    Hi Quentin,
    Thanks, sounds great!
    David Moore
     

    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:33 PM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
     
    The settings are laid out pretty much the same as they were.  They have tweaked how large DPI is handled and also I have a new monitor so it now appears as a column instead of a grid on my screen, but otherwise looks similar enough.
     
    Mostly the whole things looks similar to how it looked before with a few tweaks here and there and some things work better and some have new features.  Cortana for instance has new features which I can't comment too much on as to be honest I never really use it :)
     
    You can apparently get Cortana to show notifications from your Android device, which is nifty and you can reply to text messages and things, although apparently it's not compatible with my phone (it's fairly old - another reason for me to get a new phone!) so I can't test it directly just now.
     
     
     
    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 10:04 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
    Hi Quentin,
    Thank you so very much. I have been wondering what changes we will have in the new build. I like how the start area sounds being able to use first letter navigation to get through the all apps, and having three columns in the start area. Is the settings app laid out pretty much the same, or does the settings app have new categories, sub categories with in each category and so on?
    Thanks a lot, and I am really excited for next week.
    David Moore
     
     
     
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 7:26 PM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 Anniversary Update
     
    Hi Steve,
     
    To be honest, one of the biggest changes I have found, is that the start menu is now three columns wide.  The left column has user account / file explorer / settings / power, the middle column has recent apps then all apps (first letter navigation jumps straight to first app of that letter in full apps list), and the right column has the windows 8 style tiles.  You can still only pin to the right column but at least you can press the context menu to get recent files for any program there now which is nice.
     
    What annoys me is that to shut down from here involves:
    1. Windows
    2. tab (takes you to the left column first, if you'd press down arrow you'd have started moving down the middle app list column).
    3. down arrow four times.
    4. enter
    5. down arrow
    6. enter.
     
    If you want to do it quicker, you can press WINDOWS+X , press U then U again, or windows+m to go to desktop then alt+f4, or just press the power button on your machine (I know that last one is easiest of all, I've just never got into the habit of doing it as that used to be strongly avoided due to data loss :)
     
    There's a new dark mode which you can get to without a registry hack now which affects mostly just settings but does make it a bit easier for some.
     
    Regards
     
    Quentin.
     
    On Tue, Jul 26, 2016 at 1:39 AM, Steve Hoad <mainefun40@...> wrote:
    This is a major update for Windows 10 being released August 2.  I know
    the update is out in Beta and many features have been changing since
    the earliest release.  Since these updates load automatically, are
    there things we should be aware of as NVDA users?
    Here's an article from "The Verge" released Monday July 25 at about 9 A.m. EDT.

    http://www.theverge.com/2016/7/25/12269736/microsoft-windows-10-anniversary-update-features-review

    --
    Steve Hoad





     
    --
    Quentin Christensen
    Training Material Developer
    Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/



     
    --
    Quentin Christensen
    Training Material Developer
    Basic Training for NVDA E-Book now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

    Direct: +61 413 904 383
    www.nvaccess.org 
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    Re: FW: [win10] You are invited: Accessible World Tek Talk presentation on Windows 10 Anniversary Update, August 1st at 5 PM PDT

    David Moore
     

    Hi Joseph,
    I will be there.
    David Moore
     
     

    From: Joseph Lee
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:44 PM
    Subject: Re: [nvda] FW: [win10] You are invited: Accessible World Tek Talk presentation on Windows 10 Anniversary Update, August 1st at 5 PM PDT
     

    Hi all,

     

    For NVDA users, this event is also special in that this will be the first time you’ll get a chance to hear NVDA 2016.3 in action and fixes to let NVDA embrace Windows 10 Anniversary Update. See you then.

    Cheers,

    Joseph

     

    From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:41 PM
    To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
    Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] You are invited: Accessible World Tek Talk presentation on Windows 10 Anniversary Update, August 1st at 5 PM PDT

     

     

     

    From: win10@win10.groups.io [mailto:win10@win10.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
    Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 5:37 PM
    To: win10@win10.groups.io
    Subject: [win10] You are invited: Accessible World Tek Talk presentation on Windows 10 Anniversary Update, August 1st at 5 PM PDT

     

    Hi all,

     

    You are cordially invited to a presentation to be held at Accessible World’s Pat Price Tek Talk room on Windows 10 Anniversary Update. This presentation from yours truly will talk about how Windows 10 is doing, as well as what’s new, changed, removed and fixed in Windows 10 Anniversary Update, such as improved Narrator, what’s new in Cortana, Edge improvements, reorganized start Menu, Action Center and Settings, as well as giving you a tour of technologies such as Edge extensions and Windows Subsystem for Linux.

     

    Event details:

    ·         Date: August 1, 2016

    ·         Time: 5 PM Pacific, 8 PM Eastern, 00:00 UTC on August 2nd and elsewhere

    ·         Location: Accessible World Tek Talk Training Room (www.accessibleworld.org)

    ·         You’ll need TCConference software to participate in this event, and a recording will be made available for those who cannot make it.

     

    Hope to see many of you at the event.

    Sincerely,

    Joseph Lee