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Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

Don H
 

Thanks for the info. Have used sfc scannow many times and did just run it and it found no errors.
Funny how NVDA spells out everything in the run box when scannow is running. Before starting to use NVDA I was a long time Window Eyes user. Win Eyes doesn't work with Edge at all.
thanks for your ideas in this matter.

On 12/22/2016 2:55 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Don,

Given how peculiar this behavior is, and idiosyncratic to
your machine, you might want to do a combination SFC followed by DISM
scan to see if there's corruption somewhere in the Windows 10 system
files themselves. Instructions directly follow for doing so.

*/Fixing “Weird Issues” under Windows 8 or Windows 10 Using the System
File Checker (SFC) and Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management (DISM)/*

If you are having "weird problems" with any Windows system, the first
thing you should do is to run the System File Checker (SFC). Open a
Command Prompt window using the "Run as Administrator" option. The
easiest way to do this is to hit the Windows Key, immediately enter the
text “Command Prompt” and getting the Command Prompt desktop app
returned as the first item. Gain focus on it and bring up the context
menu either via right click or hitting the menu/applications key [if
your machine has one] or Shift+F10 if it does not then selecting “Run as
administrator” from the context menu that appears. Once that elevated
command prompt window is opened, enter:

*SFC /scannow*

When it's finished look at its output to see if it found any corrupt
files and whether it was able to fix them.

If SFC reports that it was unable to fix something, on Windows 8 and
Windows 10 systems it's also worth running the following command, also
in a Command Prompt window that's been opened with "Run as Adminstrator":

*DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth*

DISM should be able to fix errors that SFC may not be able to fix. If
you wish to be really thorough, after running DISM, and presuming it
reports that all has been fixed, shutdown and restart your machine and
run SFC one final time. The SFC result should be clean.

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Push to talk, was Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

John Sanfilippo
 

Hi,

Might you tell me what "push to talk" is and how it is used?

Thanks, sorry for the inrreuption.

John S

On 12/22/16 16:36, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello,

TeamTalk is one that does distinguish between them, I believe that
TeamSpeak does as well when mapping out keys for push to talk.

Thanks.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 2:56 PM Gene <gsasner@...
<mailto:gsasner@...>> wrote:

__
I expect there are some cases, I don't know where, where a left or
right modifier is required. If you turn on input help in NVDA and
press modifiers, you will hear them distinguished such as right
shift and left shift. If NVDA is aware of which modifier is being
used, then presumably, programmers can designate that a specific
modifier be used. But I can't recall ever seeing this done in any
program.

Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

Gene wrote, with regard to the ALT key:

Shortcuts don't distinguish between which alt key is used in
creating a shortcut command.

I have never, ever seen one that does, either. On a recent thread
on one of the blind-related technology lists someone made the
assertion that there was a program that cared about whether, I
believe, a left shift versus right shift button was pressed as part
of a keyboard shortcut. Given what I know about keyboards and
standard drivers for same, I have never, ever known of any
duplicated key, e.g., ALT, CTRL, or SHIFT, to be distinguishable by
the operating system based on which one is actually pressed. Their
whole purpose for being duplicated is to allow modifications to be
made conveniently (or relatively so) using whatever hand makes sense
for each of the keys so that all keys of a multi-key shortcut can be
depressed at once.

By the way, and apropos of nothing, really, has anyone ever
encountered anything longer than a 4-key-at-a-time-press keyboard
shortcut? I believe I've encountered one or two of those and I'm
not certain of that, but even three-key-at-a-time-press shortcuts
are relatively rare when compared against two-key-press ones.
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Re: starting NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

TeamTalk is one that does distinguish between them, I believe that TeamSpeak does as well when mapping out keys for push to talk.

Thanks.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 2:56 PM Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
I expect there are some cases, I don't know where, where a left or right modifier is required.  If you turn on input help in NVDA and press modifiers, you will hear them distinguished such as right shift and left shift.  If NVDA is aware of which modifier is being used, then presumably, programmers can designate that a specific modifier be used.  But I can't recall ever seeing this done in any program.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

Gene wrote, with regard to the ALT key:
Shortcuts don't distinguish between which alt key is used in creating a shortcut command. 

 I have never, ever seen one that does, either.   On a recent thread on one of the blind-related technology lists someone made the assertion that there was a program that cared about whether, I believe, a left shift versus right shift button was pressed as part of a keyboard shortcut.  Given what I know about keyboards and standard drivers for same, I have never, ever known of any duplicated key, e.g., ALT, CTRL, or SHIFT, to be distinguishable by the operating system based on which one is actually pressed.  Their whole purpose for being duplicated is to allow modifications to be made conveniently (or relatively so) using whatever hand makes sense for each of the keys so that all keys of a multi-key shortcut can be depressed at once.

By the way, and apropos of nothing, really, has anyone ever encountered anything longer than a 4-key-at-a-time-press keyboard shortcut?  I believe I've encountered one or two of those and I'm not certain of that, but even three-key-at-a-time-press shortcuts are relatively rare when compared against two-key-press ones.
--
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Re: starting NVDA

Gene
 

I expect there are some cases, I don't know where, where a left or right modifier is required.  If you turn on input help in NVDA and press modifiers, you will hear them distinguished such as right shift and left shift.  If NVDA is aware of which modifier is being used, then presumably, programmers can designate that a specific modifier be used.  But I can't recall ever seeing this done in any program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

Gene wrote, with regard to the ALT key:
Shortcuts don't distinguish between which alt key is used in creating a shortcut command. 

 I have never, ever seen one that does, either.   On a recent thread on one of the blind-related technology lists someone made the assertion that there was a program that cared about whether, I believe, a left shift versus right shift button was pressed as part of a keyboard shortcut.  Given what I know about keyboards and standard drivers for same, I have never, ever known of any duplicated key, e.g., ALT, CTRL, or SHIFT, to be distinguishable by the operating system based on which one is actually pressed.  Their whole purpose for being duplicated is to allow modifications to be made conveniently (or relatively so) using whatever hand makes sense for each of the keys so that all keys of a multi-key shortcut can be depressed at once.

By the way, and apropos of nothing, really, has anyone ever encountered anything longer than a 4-key-at-a-time-press keyboard shortcut?  I believe I've encountered one or two of those and I'm not certain of that, but even three-key-at-a-time-press shortcuts are relatively rare when compared against two-key-press ones.
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Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Don,

           Given how peculiar this behavior is, and idiosyncratic to your machine, you might want to do a combination SFC followed by DISM scan to see if there's corruption somewhere in the Windows 10 system files themselves.  Instructions directly follow for doing so.

Fixing “Weird Issues” under Windows 8 or Windows 10 Using the System File Checker (SFC) and Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management (DISM)

If you are having "weird problems" with any Windows system, the first thing you should do is to run the System File Checker (SFC).  Open a Command Prompt window using the "Run as Administrator" option.  The easiest way to do this is to hit the Windows Key, immediately enter the text “Command Prompt” and getting the Command Prompt desktop app returned as the first item.  Gain focus on it and bring up the context menu either via right click or hitting the menu/applications key [if your machine has one] or Shift+F10 if it does not then selecting “Run as administrator” from the context menu that appears.  Once that elevated command prompt window is opened, enter:

SFC /scannow

When it's finished look at its output to see if it found any corrupt files and whether it was able to fix them.

If SFC reports that it was unable to fix something, on Windows 8 and Windows 10 systems it's also worth running the following command, also in a Command Prompt window that's been opened with "Run as Adminstrator":

DISM /Online /Cleanup-Image /RestoreHealth

DISM should be able to fix errors that SFC may not be able to fix.  If you wish to be really thorough, after running DISM, and presuming it reports that all has been fixed, shutdown and restart your machine and run SFC one final time.  The SFC result should be clean.

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: starting NVDA

 

Gene wrote, with regard to the ALT key:
Shortcuts don't distinguish between which alt key is used in creating a shortcut command. 

 I have never, ever seen one that does, either.   On a recent thread on one of the blind-related technology lists someone made the assertion that there was a program that cared about whether, I believe, a left shift versus right shift button was pressed as part of a keyboard shortcut.  Given what I know about keyboards and standard drivers for same, I have never, ever known of any duplicated key, e.g., ALT, CTRL, or SHIFT, to be distinguishable by the operating system based on which one is actually pressed.  Their whole purpose for being duplicated is to allow modifications to be made conveniently (or relatively so) using whatever hand makes sense for each of the keys so that all keys of a multi-key shortcut can be depressed at once.

By the way, and apropos of nothing, really, has anyone ever encountered anything longer than a 4-key-at-a-time-press keyboard shortcut?  I believe I've encountered one or two of those and I'm not certain of that, but even three-key-at-a-time-press shortcuts are relatively rare when compared against two-key-press ones.
--
Brian

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         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

Don H
 

I have win ver 1607 with all updates installed.

On 12/22/2016 2:32 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Have you got either an older or newer version of 10 than the rest of us
have perhaps?
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge




On 12/22/2016 11:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, I can navigate this page fine under Edge in Windows 10. Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday,
December 22, 2016 9:23 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda]
NVDA and Microsoft edge

I tried Edge on the web site www.samsclub.com

On 12/22/2016 10:45 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, Do you remember the address to that page so I and others can
investigate? Cheers, Joseph

-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday,
December 22, 2016 8:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re:
[nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

OK I have the latest version of NVDA and all required apps. When I
open Edge I am placed on a edit box where I can enter a web
address. I do that and hit enter and the web page is loaded. Part
of the web page is read then nothing. I can not move through the
web page with any of the normal keys.










I tried using the standard NVDA nav keys and get nothing. Also when
typing in the edit box NVDA says nothing. If you can write me off list.





Re: starting NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

In that case maybe you do have something else using n. The clash only happens if the shortcut was created by non standard means by an app, I don't think 10 will allow clashes to occur if you are making manual shortcuts.
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:26 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


Brian, thanks for the info. Yes I'm using windows ten. I resolved my NVDA Hot keyes for starting NVDA by rebooting my system and going into NVDA properties and hitting N in the hot key edit field and it's now working. Thanks.

On 12/22/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Brice,

I can't recall for certain whether you're running Windows 10
or not. If you are not, please just ignore what follows. For anyone
wanting to create a desktop shortcut for any installed desktop app or
store app, or for a file or folder, please read the following
step-by-step directions:

*/Adding a Desktop Shortcut Under Windows 10/*

This is done differently from prior versions of Windows and the
technique varies depending on whether the thing you want to create the
shortcut for is for file or folder versus a Windows built-in app (e.g.
Mail, People) , Store App or Installed Desktop App (e.g. MS Word, Adobe
Reader, etc.).

For Installed Desktop Apps (formerly known as programs you’ve installed)
or Windows Built-In Apps or Store Apps you’ve installed:

1. This involves using a very seldom used view for applications
that is most easily invoked using the Run command. Hit Windows Key+R
then enter the following, without the quotes, “shell:AppsFolder”, then
hit enter.

2. You will now get a File Explorer window that shows you nothing
but all the applications that are installed on your computer whether
these are Windows Built-In Apps, Store Apps you later installed, or
Installed Desktop Apps.

3. Navigate to the App for which you want the desktop shortcut and
select it. Under Windows 10 alone I am able to use the first letter of
the app in question to get to its general area then keep hitting that
letter and it advances to the next app starting with that same letter.
You can jump directly to the first app that starts with any letter. If
you’re a really fast typist you can start typing the name of the app
itself rapidly and you should land on it, or something very near to it.
This is working for me even when the screen reader is running because
it’s a Windows feature.

4. Hit the Applications/Menu Key or Shift+F10 if your machine
doesn’t have it. This will invoke a context menu for the selected App.

5. Either hit the letter ‘S’, which will directly invoke the
“Create Shortcut” option, or arrow down until you hear “Create Shortcut”
announced then hit enter.

6. You will immediately get a dialog that tells you that, “Windows
can’t create a shortcut here. Do you want the shortcut to be placed on
the desktop instead?,” to which you will, of course, answer “Yes.”

7. You now have a shortcut on the desktop. This shortcut will have
the name of the app in question followed by a hyphen and the word
shortcut. If you’re like me you’ll want to rename that shortcut to get
rid of that hyphen and the word shortcut, but this is entirely optional.

For quick access to specific files or folders you’d like on the desktop:

1. If you happen to know where the object you want the desktop
shortcut for is located, navigate to the folder that contains it, then
select it. Proceed directly to step number 4.

2. If you don’t know the location your best bet is to use Windows
Search and enter search criteria that are enough to get you a short list
of possible results. Very often what you’re looking for will be the
first thing returned if you choose decent search terms. Once you’ve
found the object you wish to make the shortcut for when reviewing the
results make sure you have focus on it then proceed to step 3.

3. Hit the Applications/Menu Key if your computer has it, or
Shift+F10 if it does not, and a context menu should come up. Choose
“Open file location” from this context menu. This will open the folder
that contains the program, file, or subfolder you had focus on and it
will already be selected.

4. Hit the Applications/Menu Key or Shift+F10, then do one of the
following:

a. Hit N (which invokes the Send To) option, followed immediately
by D (which invokes the Desktop create shortcut option). You’re finished.

b. Arrow down until you hear that you have focus on the Send To
option, hit enter, then in the submenu for send to arrow down until you
hear “Desktop (create shortcut)” and hit enter. You’re finished.



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Re: starting NVDA

Gene
 

Shortcuts don't distinguish between which alt key is used in creating a shortcut command.  Control alt and letter or number will work with either control alt combination no matter how you create the command.  That's true of XP as well.  There are times when something distinguishes between right and left alt.  Such cases must be rare since I've never come a cross a command that does.
 
Gene

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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

I think it does this on 7 as well. It actually makes it easier as the right
hand alt is in fact alt control its very easy to set up shortcuts for all
sorts of things whereas in xp it could get corrupted veryeasily.



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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


In addition, if you happen to be installing or reinstalling NVDA the option
to create this shortcut is a part of the installation process.

I hadn't realized, and I don't know if it's the same under earlier versions
of Windows or not, but under Win10 once you're in the shortcut tab of
properties, all you need to type in the shortcut key field is the letter N
if you want CTRL+ALT+N to be the shortcut. No matter what character I type
Win10 is prepopulating the CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut and you cannot
delete it. If you backspace out the character you've typed it removes the
CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut automatically too.
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Re: starting NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think you will find that just hitting n and enter will sort that out.

I've never come across this, but beware, if another piece of software is using n as well things don't work any more so you could easily choose another shortcut key which is not used, but I'm at a loss to think what else might use n, unless you put a shortcut to notepad as I did on my desktop and indeed several other things.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


I went to properties and the edit field said control alt N plus alt K. I was unable to remove the alt K. So I tried hitting control alt N hoping it would insert
the correct hot keys but no dice. So I want to delete the desktop short cut, but wasn't able to figure out how to generate another desktop short cut before hand. All I could find was pin to task bar or was it start menu.
On 12/22/2016 9:32 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello,

Make sure that the NVDA icon is on your desktop. Navigate to that icon,
and press alt+enter. You should be in the shortcuts tab. This is where
you can assign a shortcut. Let us know if you have any additional trouble.

Thanks.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...
<mailto:bricemijares@...>> wrote:

My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
again? Thanks.




Re: starting NVDA

Gene
 

Rebooting is the first thing that should be tried.  NVdA settings have nothing to do with this problem.  Shortcuts for any file or application are stored in the registry and have nothing to do with the actual program.  they are just a way of starting the program.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

How about resetting NVDA to factory settings, and then trying the command?


On 12/22/2016 6:25 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
> My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
> again? Thanks.
>
>
>
> .
>





Re: starting NVDA

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think it does this on 7 as well. It actually makes it easier as the right hand alt is in fact alt control its very easy to set up shortcuts for all sorts of things whereas in xp it could get corrupted veryeasily.



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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA


In addition, if you happen to be installing or reinstalling NVDA the option to create this shortcut is a part of the installation process.

I hadn't realized, and I don't know if it's the same under earlier versions of Windows or not, but under Win10 once you're in the shortcut tab of properties, all you need to type in the shortcut key field is the letter N if you want CTRL+ALT+N to be the shortcut. No matter what character I type Win10 is prepopulating the CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut and you cannot delete it. If you backspace out the character you've typed it removes the CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut automatically too.
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Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

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Have you got either an older or newer version of 10 than the rest of us have perhaps?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge




On 12/22/2016 11:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, I can navigate this page fine under Edge in Windows 10. Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday,
December 22, 2016 9:23 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda]
NVDA and Microsoft edge

I tried Edge on the web site www.samsclub.com

On 12/22/2016 10:45 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, Do you remember the address to that page so I and others can
investigate? Cheers, Joseph

-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday,
December 22, 2016 8:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re:
[nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

OK I have the latest version of NVDA and all required apps. When I
open Edge I am placed on a edit box where I can enter a web
address. I do that and hit enter and the web page is loaded. Part
of the web page is read then nothing. I can not move through the
web page with any of the normal keys.










I tried using the standard NVDA nav keys and get nothing. Also when typing in the edit box NVDA says nothing. If you can write me off list.


Re: starting NVDA

Dejan Ristic
 

How about resetting NVDA to factory settings, and then trying the command?

On 12/22/2016 6:25 PM, Brice Mijares wrote:
My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working again? Thanks.


.


Re: starting NVDA

Gene
 

Tab around the dialog you ar working in.  You will hear alt and a letter for all or most of the fields.  Those are not parts of commands such as the short cut combination to run NVDA.  They are the same kinds of commands as alt y to answer yes or alt n to answer no in dialogs that give you that option.  They move you to the field when you are in a dialog and they may take an action such as alt y answering yes or if the letter is in a check box field, using the alt and letter combination may change the state of the check box.  If it was unchecked, it may now be checked.  Understanding such alt and letter combinations may allow you to work with dialogs more efficiently and quickly.
 
As far as the short cut command itself is concerned, reboot if you haven't done so.  Then see if the command works.  If it doesn't, let us know.  The next thing to try might be to try to remove the command and then put the command back.  If that doesn't work, you might want to try a different letter.  And if that doesn't work, you may want to delete the desktop icon and then create it again and then add a short cut command.
But let's try the most simple thing first.  Try rebooting.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

I went to properties and the edit field said control alt N plus alt K. I
was unable to remove the alt K. So I tried hitting control alt N hoping
it would insert
  the correct hot keys but no dice. So I want to delete the desktop
short cut, but wasn't able to figure out how to generate another desktop
short cut before hand. All I could find was pin to task bar or was it
start menu.
On 12/22/2016 9:32 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Make sure that the NVDA icon is on your desktop. Navigate to that icon,
> and press alt+enter. You should be in the shortcuts tab. This is where
> you can assign a shortcut. Let us know if you have any additional trouble.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...
> <mailto:bricemijares@...>> wrote:
>
>     My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
>     again? Thanks.
>
>
>
>



Re: Google drive and nvda question

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I second the suggestion for winrar. I actually use winrar in place of thw windows file explorer, because it gives me much more information than explorer does, and I have no problem looking inside archive files, and if I want to open one, it's just a single keystroke away. Wonderful program winrar.

On 12/22/2016 3:51 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
sevenzip is even better.
To get the latest its sf.net/projects/sevenzip
Go to files, then find the latest version of the program it should be one of the first downloads they always list the current versions and grab it.
sevenzip.org or sevenzip.sf.net do have older versions.
However its not been updated you can get 9.2 stable, up to 9.38 beta, however like nvda they changed their version scheme so the latest is 2016. something now.



On 22/12/2016 9:42 p.m., Gene New Zealand wrote:
Or you can download the program called win rar which i use on a windows 10 machine.


gene nz


On 22/12/2016 8:46 PM, David Moore wrote:
Hi Chris,
If you are using windows 10, there is an app built in called RAR viewer. When you hear the sound, tab to open with, and arrow to RAR viewer and press enter. A RAR file is a very unusual zipped file format. If you are not using win10, I have never known how to open a RAR file. You have to have the anniversary update of Windows 10 to have RAR viewer as a windows app that you can use to open that file.
David Moore
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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland<mailto:@AHeart4God316>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Shruggs,

Yeah, I kind a noticed.

Chris.

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From: Gene<mailto:gsasner@...>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

I thought you were asking about Drop box. I often read messages and don't read subject lines. Disregard my last message. It refers to Drop Box.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Before you follow the link, change the 0 at the end to a 1. Then follow the link. Paste the link as it is into the browser address bar. Then move to the end and change the 0 to a 1. Then press enter to follow the address.

The standard download dialog will come up.

for this answer, I am assuming you received such a link as an e-mail message. I am also assuming you see ?dl=0 at the end of the link.

Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Here's what the heck I! wanna know! Someone sent me a share link to a .rar file.

I had to use my phone, as I couldn't figure out how to download the dad blame thing. I would press enter on the download button, but as soon as I did, I'd hear the sound that NVDA plays like, when you hit enter on a text field on the web to begin typing. I tried down arrowing at that point, as I kind of remember it in the past giving a menu when you click download that would say save to drive, or download to my computer, but I couldn't even get that! to pop up.

So once on the page for a shared file, in Firefox, how in the heck do you then go about actually getting the download window asking to open with, or save to pop up as usual with any other file from any other source?

Chris.

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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.








On 12/21/2016 7:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
Brian

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Re: starting NVDA

Brice Mijares
 

Brian, thanks for the info. Yes I'm using windows ten. I resolved my NVDA Hot keyes for starting NVDA by rebooting my system and going into NVDA properties and hitting N in the hot key edit field and it's now working. Thanks.

On 12/22/2016 11:05 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Brice,

I can't recall for certain whether you're running Windows 10
or not. If you are not, please just ignore what follows. For anyone
wanting to create a desktop shortcut for any installed desktop app or
store app, or for a file or folder, please read the following
step-by-step directions:

*/Adding a Desktop Shortcut Under Windows 10/*

This is done differently from prior versions of Windows and the
technique varies depending on whether the thing you want to create the
shortcut for is for file or folder versus a Windows built-in app (e.g.
Mail, People) , Store App or Installed Desktop App (e.g. MS Word, Adobe
Reader, etc.).

For Installed Desktop Apps (formerly known as programs you’ve installed)
or Windows Built-In Apps or Store Apps you’ve installed:

1. This involves using a very seldom used view for applications
that is most easily invoked using the Run command. Hit Windows Key+R
then enter the following, without the quotes, “shell:AppsFolder”, then
hit enter.

2. You will now get a File Explorer window that shows you nothing
but all the applications that are installed on your computer whether
these are Windows Built-In Apps, Store Apps you later installed, or
Installed Desktop Apps.

3. Navigate to the App for which you want the desktop shortcut and
select it. Under Windows 10 alone I am able to use the first letter of
the app in question to get to its general area then keep hitting that
letter and it advances to the next app starting with that same letter.
You can jump directly to the first app that starts with any letter. If
you’re a really fast typist you can start typing the name of the app
itself rapidly and you should land on it, or something very near to it.
This is working for me even when the screen reader is running because
it’s a Windows feature.

4. Hit the Applications/Menu Key or Shift+F10 if your machine
doesn’t have it. This will invoke a context menu for the selected App.

5. Either hit the letter ‘S’, which will directly invoke the
“Create Shortcut” option, or arrow down until you hear “Create Shortcut”
announced then hit enter.

6. You will immediately get a dialog that tells you that, “Windows
can’t create a shortcut here. Do you want the shortcut to be placed on
the desktop instead?,” to which you will, of course, answer “Yes.”

7. You now have a shortcut on the desktop. This shortcut will have
the name of the app in question followed by a hyphen and the word
shortcut. If you’re like me you’ll want to rename that shortcut to get
rid of that hyphen and the word shortcut, but this is entirely optional.

For quick access to specific files or folders you’d like on the desktop:

1. If you happen to know where the object you want the desktop
shortcut for is located, navigate to the folder that contains it, then
select it. Proceed directly to step number 4.

2. If you don’t know the location your best bet is to use Windows
Search and enter search criteria that are enough to get you a short list
of possible results. Very often what you’re looking for will be the
first thing returned if you choose decent search terms. Once you’ve
found the object you wish to make the shortcut for when reviewing the
results make sure you have focus on it then proceed to step 3.

3. Hit the Applications/Menu Key if your computer has it, or
Shift+F10 if it does not, and a context menu should come up. Choose
“Open file location” from this context menu. This will open the folder
that contains the program, file, or subfolder you had focus on and it
will already be selected.

4. Hit the Applications/Menu Key or Shift+F10, then do one of the
following:

a. Hit N (which invokes the Send To) option, followed immediately
by D (which invokes the Desktop create shortcut option). You’re finished.

b. Arrow down until you hear that you have focus on the Send To
option, hit enter, then in the submenu for send to arrow down until you
hear “Desktop (create shortcut)” and hit enter. You’re finished.



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Re: starting NVDA

 

Arlene asked:
Oh, so it’s just as though you were creating a hot key for Jaws? Or any other screen reader right?

It's even more general than that.  This is how you'd create a shortcut key sequence for any program on your desktop that doesn't already have one assigned.  Any desktop icon that triggers a program can have a shortcut key sequence assigned to it by the user.
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Re: starting NVDA

 

Brice,

            I can't recall for certain whether you're running Windows 10 or not.  If you are not, please just ignore what follows.  For anyone wanting to create a desktop shortcut for any installed desktop app or store app, or for a file or folder, please read the following step-by-step directions:

Adding a Desktop Shortcut Under Windows 10

This is done differently from prior versions of Windows and the technique varies depending on whether the thing you want to create the shortcut for is for file or folder versus a Windows built-in  app (e.g. Mail, People) , Store App or Installed Desktop App (e.g. MS Word, Adobe Reader, etc.).

For Installed Desktop Apps (formerly known as programs you’ve installed) or Windows Built-In Apps or Store Apps you’ve installed:

1.       This involves using a very seldom used view for applications that is most easily invoked using the Run command.  Hit Windows Key+R then enter the following, without the quotes, “shell:AppsFolder”, then hit enter.

2.       You will now get a File Explorer window that shows you nothing but all the applications that are installed on your computer whether these are Windows Built-In Apps, Store Apps you later installed, or Installed Desktop Apps.

3.      Navigate to the App for which you want the desktop shortcut and select it.  Under Windows 10 alone I am able to use the first letter of the app in question to get to its general area then keep hitting that letter and it advances to the next app starting with that same letter.  You can jump directly to the first app that starts with any letter.  If you’re a really fast typist you can start typing the name of the app itself rapidly and you should land on it, or something very near to it.  This is working for me even when the screen reader is running because it’s a Windows feature.

4.      Hit the Applications/Menu Key or Shift+F10 if your machine doesn’t have it.  This will invoke a context menu for the selected App.

5.      Either hit the letter ‘S’, which will directly invoke the “Create Shortcut” option, or arrow down until you hear “Create Shortcut” announced then hit enter.

6.      You will immediately get a dialog that tells you that, “Windows can’t create a shortcut here.  Do you want the shortcut to be placed on the desktop instead?,” to which you will, of course, answer “Yes.”

7.      You now have a shortcut on the desktop.  This shortcut will have the name of the app in question followed by a hyphen and the word shortcut.  If you’re like me you’ll want to rename that shortcut to get rid of that hyphen and the word shortcut, but this is entirely optional.

For quick access to specific files or folders you’d like on the desktop:

1.       If you happen to know where the object you want the desktop shortcut for is located, navigate to the folder that contains it, then select it.    Proceed directly to step number 4.

2.       If you don’t know the location your best bet is to use Windows Search and enter search criteria that are enough to get you a short list of possible results.  Very often what you’re looking for will be the first thing returned if you choose decent search terms.  Once you’ve found the object you wish to make the shortcut for when reviewing the results make sure you have focus on it then proceed to step 3.

3.      Hit the Applications/Menu Key if your computer has it, or Shift+F10 if it does not, and a context menu should come up.  Choose “Open file location” from this context menu.  This will open the folder that contains the program, file, or subfolder you had focus on and it will already be selected.

4.      Hit the Applications/Menu Key or Shift+F10, then do one of the following:

a.      Hit N (which invokes the Send To) option, followed immediately by D (which invokes the Desktop create shortcut option).  You’re finished.

b.      Arrow down until you hear that you have focus on the Send To option, hit enter, then in the submenu for send to arrow down until you hear “Desktop (create shortcut)” and hit enter.  You’re finished.

 

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Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

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Re: starting NVDA

Arlene
 

Oh, so it’s just as though you were creating a hot key for Jaws? Or any other screen reader right?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Nimer Jaber
Sent: December-22-16 9:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

 

Hello,

Make sure that the NVDA icon is on your desktop. Navigate to that icon, and press alt+enter. You should be in the shortcuts tab. This is where you can assign a shortcut. Let us know if you have any additional trouble.

Thanks.

 

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:

My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
again? Thanks.