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Re: starting NVDA

Brice Mijares
 

I went to properties and the edit field said control alt N plus alt K. I was unable to remove the alt K. So I tried hitting control alt N hoping it would insert
the correct hot keys but no dice. So I want to delete the desktop short cut, but wasn't able to figure out how to generate another desktop short cut before hand. All I could find was pin to task bar or was it start menu.

On 12/22/2016 9:32 AM, Nimer Jaber wrote:
Hello,

Make sure that the NVDA icon is on your desktop. Navigate to that icon,
and press alt+enter. You should be in the shortcuts tab. This is where
you can assign a shortcut. Let us know if you have any additional trouble.

Thanks.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...
<mailto:bricemijares@...>> wrote:

My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
again? Thanks.




Re: starting NVDA

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I believe it was part of the installation process in earlier versions of windows too if I'm not mistaken. I think I remember seeing a checkbox that says "keep existing shortcut".

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] starting NVDA

 

In addition, if you happen to be installing or reinstalling NVDA the option to create this shortcut is a part of the installation process.

I hadn't realized, and I don't know if it's the same under earlier versions of Windows or not, but under Win10 once you're in the shortcut tab of properties, all you need to type in the shortcut key field is the letter N if you want CTRL+ALT+N to be the shortcut.  No matter what character I type Win10 is prepopulating the CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut and you cannot delete it.  If you backspace out the character you've typed it removes the CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut automatically too.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 


Re: starting NVDA

 

In addition, if you happen to be installing or reinstalling NVDA the option to create this shortcut is a part of the installation process.

I hadn't realized, and I don't know if it's the same under earlier versions of Windows or not, but under Win10 once you're in the shortcut tab of properties, all you need to type in the shortcut key field is the letter N if you want CTRL+ALT+N to be the shortcut.  No matter what character I type Win10 is prepopulating the CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut and you cannot delete it.  If you backspace out the character you've typed it removes the CTRL+ALT+ part of the shortcut automatically too.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

Don H
 

On 12/22/2016 11:33 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, I can navigate this page fine under Edge in Windows 10. Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday,
December 22, 2016 9:23 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda]
NVDA and Microsoft edge

I tried Edge on the web site www.samsclub.com

On 12/22/2016 10:45 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi, Do you remember the address to that page so I and others can
investigate? Cheers, Joseph

-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H Sent: Thursday,
December 22, 2016 8:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re:
[nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

OK I have the latest version of NVDA and all required apps. When I
open Edge I am placed on a edit box where I can enter a web
address. I do that and hit enter and the web page is loaded. Part
of the web page is read then nothing. I can not move through the
web page with any of the normal keys.










I tried using the standard NVDA nav keys and get nothing. Also when typing in the edit box NVDA says nothing. If you can write me off list.


Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Hi,
I can navigate this page fine under Edge in Windows 10.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 9:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

I tried Edge on the web site
www.samsclub.com

On 12/22/2016 10:45 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Do you remember the address to that page so I and others can investigate?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Don H
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

OK I have the latest version of NVDA and all required apps. When I open Edge I am placed on a edit box where I can enter a web address. I do that and hit enter and the web page is loaded. Part of the web page is read then nothing. I can not move through the web page with any of the normal keys.







Re: starting NVDA

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

Make sure that the NVDA icon is on your desktop. Navigate to that icon, and press alt+enter. You should be in the shortcuts tab. This is where you can assign a shortcut. Let us know if you have any additional trouble.

Thanks.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brice Mijares <bricemijares@...> wrote:
My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working
again? Thanks.




locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

This topic is now locked as it has drifted very off-topic and become personal for many. Fifty-eight messages is far too many. Let's all get back on point please.

Thanks.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 11:07 AM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 08:56 am, brian wrote:
We can't pretend tht we are sighted when we are not if we don't need any specialised softwhear then maybe our screen reading programs don't need any improvments. 

Someone's setting up strawmen and knocking them down.

That's not what was being said and you know that very well.  The idea is not that a screen reader is not necessary to gain access to all other typical programs and that implication was never made.

Gene has clearly expanded on what was clearly original implication in David Moore's words, about which I entirely agree.  Given the major, major advances that have been made, and continue being made, in screen-reader accessibility compatibility of mainstream programs many specialized ones are truly no longer needed.  When those are built upon dying platforms it's not wise to cling to those specific programs, either.  Learning how to use the mainstream programs with a screen reader is a far better use of time and effort - there are no two ways about that.

You don't get to twist other's words, and their clear implications, without getting called out on it.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



starting NVDA

Brice Mijares
 

My control alt N won't start NVDA. How can I get this hot key working again? Thanks.


Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

Don H
 

I tried Edge on the web site
www.samsclub.com

On 12/22/2016 10:45 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Do you remember the address to that page so I and others can investigate?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

OK I have the latest version of NVDA and all required apps. When I open Edge I am placed on a edit box where I can enter a web address. I do that and hit enter and the web page is loaded. Part of the web page is read then nothing. I can not move through the web page with any of the normal keys.






locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 08:56 am, brian wrote:
We can't pretend tht we are sighted when we are not if we don't need any specialised softwhear then maybe our screen reading programs don't need any improvments. 

Someone's setting up strawmen and knocking them down.

That's not what was being said and you know that very well.  The idea is not that a screen reader is not necessary to gain access to all other typical programs and that implication was never made.

Gene has clearly expanded on what was clearly original implication in David Moore's words, about which I entirely agree.  Given the major, major advances that have been made, and continue being made, in screen-reader accessibility compatibility of mainstream programs many specialized ones are truly no longer needed.  When those are built upon dying platforms it's not wise to cling to those specific programs, either.  Learning how to use the mainstream programs with a screen reader is a far better use of time and effort - there are no two ways about that.

You don't get to twist other's words, and their clear implications, without getting called out on it.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

brian
 

        blind people like David can't have it both ways if we should use programs for the blind then we should not be using screen reading programs we should just use narator programs developed by and for the sighted may not be fully accessable for example we still don't have a fully accessable antivirous or antimelwhear program and we have the example of adio softwhear.  We can't pretend tht we are sighted when we are not if we don't need any specialised softwhear then maybe our screen reading programs don't need any improvments. 


On 12/22/2016 11:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene wrote, with regard to choosing programs:
In general, people are better off using standard programs.

Amen Gene!

This is all the more true if you are someone who uses a portable version of your screen reader (or readers) of choice and find yourself on some random computer somewhere.  Knowing how to use a web browser that you're likely to find there in its native form, and that would probably be IE, Firefox, and/or Chrome, is the only way you'll have access since specialized programs will simply not be available.  Even if you know where to download them from and how to install them, you still need to download them using some native browser and then hope that you could install, and often you cannot.

I see nothing wrong with using specialized programs, per se, if they are something that the user prefers.  That being said, having the skill set to use widely available programs when that's all that's available really frees you up when you don't have access to the specialized ones.   In the case of WebbIE, the reasons I don't think that sticking with it as your one and only web browser are a good idea have already been clearly articulated, and the fact that it's specialized isn't relevant to those reasons.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    




locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

brian
 

        blind people like David can't have it both ways if we should use programs for the blind then we should not be using screen reading programs we should just use narator programs developed by and for the sighted may not be fully accessable for example we still don't have a fully accessable antivirous or antimelwhear program and we have the example of adio softwhear.  We can't pretend tht we are sighted when we are not if we don't need any specialised softwhear then maybe our screen reading programs don't need any improvments.  We do need programs that are fully accessable to the blind and that will never change  if we like or not thats reality.  Some blind people just can't except reality and thats why we don't see real change because the blind community does not want it because they are to proud

   
Brian Sackrider

On 12/22/2016 11:30 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Gene wrote, with regard to choosing programs:
In general, people are better off using standard programs.

Amen Gene!

This is all the more true if you are someone who uses a portable version of your screen reader (or readers) of choice and find yourself on some random computer somewhere.  Knowing how to use a web browser that you're likely to find there in its native form, and that would probably be IE, Firefox, and/or Chrome, is the only way you'll have access since specialized programs will simply not be available.  Even if you know where to download them from and how to install them, you still need to download them using some native browser and then hope that you could install, and often you cannot.

I see nothing wrong with using specialized programs, per se, if they are something that the user prefers.  That being said, having the skill set to use widely available programs when that's all that's available really frees you up when you don't have access to the specialized ones.   In the case of WebbIE, the reasons I don't think that sticking with it as your one and only web browser are a good idea have already been clearly articulated, and the fact that it's specialized isn't relevant to those reasons.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    




Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

As a side note, it's not just NVDA that has problems with Edge.   Edge was released as a far from finished program and remains so, in my opinion.  There are still lots of improvements that Microsoft needs to make to Edge to make it a competitive contemporary web browser (add-ons were one recent step toward that goal) and this makes it a real "moving target" for all screen reader makers (probably including the folks in-house that work on Narrator).

Once Edge finally hits something that can be considered "finished, but with the same tweaking that all web browsers get" then everyone can come up with a solid code base to make things work in consort with Edge.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Hi,
Do you remember the address to that page so I and others can investigate?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 8:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

OK I have the latest version of NVDA and all required apps. When I open Edge I am placed on a edit box where I can enter a web address. I do that and hit enter and the web page is loaded. Part of the web page is read then nothing. I can not move through the web page with any of the normal keys.


Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

Don H
 

OK I have the latest version of NVDA and all required apps. When I open Edge I am placed on a edit box where I can enter a web address. I do that and hit enter and the web page is loaded. Part of the web page is read then nothing. I can not move through the web page with any of the normal keys.


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Peter Beasley
 

While listening to your Google Crome tutorial, I opened the browser using NVDA and found that the submenues you refer to are actually announced by NVDA as submenues
 

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 10:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser
 

Hi Rosemarie and all,

Here is an audio tutorial I did on the Google Chrome browser. I go through the one virticle menu, and I show you how to navigate the settings web page that opens, and pretty much about everything except to log into Chrome, but that is not necessary at all. You only need to do that to sync your settings and bookmarks between all of your devices. However, logging into Chrome, has become very accessible since I did this tutorial. Just press enter on log in, on the settings page that I will talk about in the tutorial.

Here is the link,

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mtw2i20zpxh3yb/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=1

I hope this really helps you, you, Rosemarie, and all of you who want to see how great Chrome is, especially for streaming video. I use three browsers to do different things. IE 11 works the best with Facebook and Twitter, Firefox works best with the Google apps like Google Docs, sheets, slides, play, and hangouts, and interacting with web pages, filling out complicated forms and so on and reading web articles. Chrome works the best with very large news web sites, reading articles on sports sites and other large web sites, and streaming. All three browsers work together to do most tasks. Even Edge has its place now, since it works so well with NVDA. I use Edge to load social sites such linked in, and the Twitter web site works great in Edge as well. Here is the link again to the tutorial. for Chrome. Just press enter on this link, and you can download this tutorial to your computer. It is an MP3 file, and lasts about an hour. Here is the link.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mtw2i20zpxh3yb/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=1

Take care, all,

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The other day I installed google chrome and I do want to learn it well. Yes, I agree that it doesn't hurt to learn something new in case internet explorer dies. I can understand why people like what's familiar but I also see your point.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine. 

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

   

 

 


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Gene wrote, with regard to choosing programs:
In general, people are better off using standard programs.

Amen Gene!

This is all the more true if you are someone who uses a portable version of your screen reader (or readers) of choice and find yourself on some random computer somewhere.  Knowing how to use a web browser that you're likely to find there in its native form, and that would probably be IE, Firefox, and/or Chrome, is the only way you'll have access since specialized programs will simply not be available.  Even if you know where to download them from and how to install them, you still need to download them using some native browser and then hope that you could install, and often you cannot.

I see nothing wrong with using specialized programs, per se, if they are something that the user prefers.  That being said, having the skill set to use widely available programs when that's all that's available really frees you up when you don't have access to the specialized ones.   In the case of WebbIE, the reasons I don't think that sticking with it as your one and only web browser are a good idea have already been clearly articulated, and the fact that it's specialized isn't relevant to those reasons.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: pot player

 

hi!
how can i realize the elapse time, remained time and total time of one
audio file with potplayer?
thanks.

On 12/22/16, Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@...> wrote:
Hi!

You'll be satisfied of it. The sound is good, at the moment I also use
winamp, because I can read the song's title also the singer's and the
group's name. Popplayer has got also settings for announcing of any
information but I can't make it to announce me the titles. But it
supports subtitles.

Georgi


На 22.12.2016 г. в 09:31 ч., Bobby написа:
I am sorry I forgot to answer your question. I have never used pot
player so I just don't the differents . Talk to you all soon






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Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

Devin Prater
 

Interesting. For now, I'll stick with Firefox, only because I use Inbox.gmail.com for my email, and Edge doesn't seem to work so well with that. I use the google web mail because it's the easiest I've found with navigating in threads.

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 7:53 AM Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

As of 2016.4, there’s no need to use object navigation to use Edge for most scenarios except a few.

For the most part, you can use browse mode with Edge and Edge-based controls in Windows 10. One thing that WinTenApps add-on enhances is letting NVDA announce notifications from Edge (just like other browsers). Currently NV Access is working on other improvements, such as finding text in Edge and other exciting things.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:05 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Hi all,

I am working on a written tutorial for Edge right now. I will put it on lists by Monday. By using NVDA and the object navigation, the Edge browser might be easier than using Firefox.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Hi, Don,

 

I don't know of any tutorials for edge but hopefully the next version of NVDA will work well with edge.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:46 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

I am not having much luck at using Edge and NVDA.  Are there any tutorials regarding using NVDA with Microsoft Edge?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--
Devin Prater
r.d.t.prater@...


Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Hi,

As of 2016.4, there’s no need to use object navigation to use Edge for most scenarios except a few.

For the most part, you can use browse mode with Edge and Edge-based controls in Windows 10. One thing that WinTenApps add-on enhances is letting NVDA announce notifications from Edge (just like other browsers). Currently NV Access is working on other improvements, such as finding text in Edge and other exciting things.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Hi all,

I am working on a written tutorial for Edge right now. I will put it on lists by Monday. By using NVDA and the object navigation, the Edge browser might be easier than using Firefox.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Hi, Don,

 

I don't know of any tutorials for edge but hopefully the next version of NVDA will work well with edge.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:46 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

I am not having much luck at using Edge and NVDA.  Are there any tutorials regarding using NVDA with Microsoft Edge?

Thanks