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locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Gene
 

From the moderator:
This sort of thread tends to become emotional and results in bad feelingg among list members.  Such threads also tend to generate a lot of completely off topic traffic.  Discussing advantages and disadvantages of specialized computer and other device programs for the blind is alright.  Talking about blindness in general is likely to be divisive and completely off topic for the list. I'll close the thread if it begins to turn into such a discussion.   
 
Gene

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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 6:53 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

What a generalization you make about blind people!  I've seen you do this on several lists!


Isn't this a bit self righteous?  You should be thanking God you had good parents who taught you how to cope.  You also must remember that you are _not_ Jesus and adhere to one of the platitudes of the Sermon On The Mount: "Judge not that ye be not Judged."



On 12/22/2016 4:30 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi all,

I am sorry for coming across unlike Jesus would do. I am blind, and I have worked all of my life to try to be sighted and be like a sighted person, because they are the majority. My parents, when I was little, made me say the word see, and I am thankful they did. Admitting you are blind, and laughing and coping with your blindness is one thing, but expecting the world to pad its cornors for you, is just not my way of looking at things. I have had a harder time dealing with people who have always been blind, much more than being around the sighted. I was just taught to live in the sighted world, just the way it is and expect nothing different just because you are blind. I went to a regular public school, went to college and delt with everything on my own, so I just have a really dificult time knowing how to act with blind people who expect everything to be "Blind" for them. I am so sorry.

David Moore

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Brian,

        Contrary to your assertion,"if someone can make another brouser like that we might change but not until" it's time you figured out that you, like all others, actually have to deal with technological advances (and, sometimes, from a practical standpoint, they're more like regressions) just like the rest of us.

        You can easily follow downloads progress, including with NVDA, and particularly with the Golden Cursor add-on installed, using the download manager of virtually any web browser you can name.  I just tried downloading a massive PDF file I have on my Google drive and I can down-arrow on to the download status and have it read precisely where the download is and the total amount to be downloaded under Chrome.  If I wish to keep monitoring I have to up arrow/down arrow to get the status read again.  I almost never monitor download status for large files because I can check in download manager (CTRL+J in most web browsers) after the fact to see if the file did succeed in downloading or that it failed.

         As to your fiat that "you should not need any add-ons to do this" well, good luck with that.  Developers are going to do what they wish to do and what's most efficient for them.  You are one of many, many customers.  It is actually up to you to figure out, or to ask others, how something you might want to do can be done, not demand that people who don't even know you do things in the way you prefer.

         A big attitude adjustment, and acceptance of how the real world works, appears to be in order here.  Shooting me because I'm the messenger telling you something that's true, but that you don't want to hear, isn't helping you or anyone else, either.

        

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


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Re: Google drive and nvda question

Angelo Sonnesso
 

The share option lets you share a folder with another person.
Dropbox send them an invitation, and when they accept you both are good to
go.


73 N2DYN Angelo

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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 3:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

I think you put this in the wrong thread, should be in the dropbox one. Yes,
I do what you do in the links. It depends on what you are doing re the 0 and
1 of course.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


I don't know what you will see in the public links folder. you can
experiment. To avoid any problems of context, move to a file not in the
public links folder. Open the context menu.
Find the item that says somethin like copy link.
Press enter.
The link is now copied to the clipboard.
I don't know about sharing files using e-mail options in the desktop client.

I simply write an e-mail using my e-mail program and paste the link in.
Don't forget to change the 0 to a 1 at the end of the link before sending
the message.

Gene
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Subject: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context
menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously
the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to
send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to
disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app
other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
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locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Gene
 

Having one menu is not an advantage nor a disadvantage.  Do you use short cuts in menus such as f a for save as?  Chrome doesn't have some standard short cuts that they should have put in plac e years ago.  Also, almost every interface, settings, history, to name two, is an Internet interface.  That isn't necessartily the most efficient for blind people to us3e.  It is not reasonable that there is neither anb accellerabor command such as alt b, to open book marks from the main window.  As far as I know there is no short cut command to do so either.  the only way I am aware of is to open the single menu and up or down arrow to bookmarks.  I don't recall how many items in the menu lack accellerator keys or short cut keys but there are others.  All these years and these basic keyboard standards haven't been made available?  the Chrome browser is generally quite accessible but this sort of thing is just not justifiable in terms of accessibility nor in terms of efficient operation by anyone blind or not, using keyboard access. 
 
Also, Firefox has the reading view that some people might gfind useful.  it removes lots of extraneous material from web pages containing articles.  Chrome has an add on but it appears inaccessible. 
 
I'm not saying to use Firefox or Chrome as the main browser.  People may prefer one or the other.  But in such discussions, I keep seeing Chrome being discussed and implied to be superior.  Not necessarily. 
 
Gene

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 4:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Hi Rosemarie and all,

Here is an audio tutorial I did on the Google Chrome browser. I go through the one virticle menu, and I show you how to navigate the settings web page that opens, and pretty much about everything except to log into Chrome, but that is not necessary at all. You only need to do that to sync your settings and bookmarks between all of your devices. However, logging into Chrome, has become very accessible since I did this tutorial. Just press enter on log in, on the settings page that I will talk about in the tutorial.

Here is the link,

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mtw2i20zpxh3yb/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=1

I hope this really helps you, you, Rosemarie, and all of you who want to see how great Chrome is, especially for streaming video. I use three browsers to do different things. IE 11 works the best with Facebook and Twitter, Firefox works best with the Google apps like Google Docs, sheets, slides, play, and hangouts, and interacting with web pages, filling out complicated forms and so on and reading web articles. Chrome works the best with very large news web sites, reading articles on sports sites and other large web sites, and streaming. All three browsers work together to do most tasks. Even Edge has its place now, since it works so well with NVDA. I use Edge to load social sites such linked in, and the Twitter web site works great in Edge as well. Here is the link again to the tutorial. for Chrome. Just press enter on this link, and you can download this tutorial to your computer. It is an MP3 file, and lasts about an hour. Here is the link.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mtw2i20zpxh3yb/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=1

Take care, all,

David Moore

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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The other day I installed google chrome and I do want to learn it well. Yes, I agree that it doesn't hurt to learn something new in case internet explorer dies. I can understand why people like what's familiar but I also see your point.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

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locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Gene
 

There are few absolutes in any area and this is another where this applies.  There are times when a program created for blind users may be desirable.  In general, people are better off using standard programs.  Adaptive programs often don't have as many features or abilities.  And if you stick to special programs, you will limit yourself in terms of available programs. 
 
Having said that, what might be a program developed for blind people that might be better to use?  At the moment I can't think of much but let's consider one example I can think of.  If you are recording audio, it might be nice to have a program that audibly indicates input levels and tells you when you might be using too high a volume.  Perhaps a rising tone could be used that changes in some way, perhaps distorting when what is perhaps too high a volume is reached.  I doubt any program for sighted people would have such a feature.  This might not require an entirely separate major program.  It might be achieved by a utility that measures input levels in whatever program you are using.  But my point is that this is very likely an example of a feature no sighted designer would put in a program for sighted users because some sort of meter or graph would be considered superior.
 
Gene

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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Hi all,

Firefox and Chrome both announce the download status with NVDA. I must strongly disaggree with software just for the blind. Any blind person should want to use what the sighted use, because that is what you will have to use at work and so on. Being able to use every tool you have to use software made for the sighted should be the goal of every blind computer user. The blind must stop expecting the world to make everything just for the blind. The blind should only want to use everything made for the sighted. This is what is so beautiful about the iPhone. You are using Voice Over built into the phone, and you are using the exact same phone is your sighted friend sitting beside you. Wow, I find that so exciting, and I give thanks. How will the blind live in the sighted world and assimulate into the sighted world if everything is made special for the blind?

David Moore

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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Arleen,

 

I think Alasdair King started developing it in 2001. I didn't have a computer until 2003 when I got the old windows 98 computer from Computers for the Blind in Texas.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Oh yeah? Like I said. I never heard of it!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

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         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 

 


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Ron Canazzi
 

What a generalization you make about blind people!  I've seen you do this on several lists!


Isn't this a bit self righteous?  You should be thanking God you had good parents who taught you how to cope.  You also must remember that you are _not_ Jesus and adhere to one of the platitudes of the Sermon On The Mount: "Judge not that ye be not Judged."



On 12/22/2016 4:30 AM, David Moore wrote:

Hi all,

I am sorry for coming across unlike Jesus would do. I am blind, and I have worked all of my life to try to be sighted and be like a sighted person, because they are the majority. My parents, when I was little, made me say the word see, and I am thankful they did. Admitting you are blind, and laughing and coping with your blindness is one thing, but expecting the world to pad its cornors for you, is just not my way of looking at things. I have had a harder time dealing with people who have always been blind, much more than being around the sighted. I was just taught to live in the sighted world, just the way it is and expect nothing different just because you are blind. I went to a regular public school, went to college and delt with everything on my own, so I just have a really dificult time knowing how to act with blind people who expect everything to be "Blind" for them. I am so sorry.

David Moore

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Brian,

        Contrary to your assertion,"if someone can make another brouser like that we might change but not until" it's time you figured out that you, like all others, actually have to deal with technological advances (and, sometimes, from a practical standpoint, they're more like regressions) just like the rest of us.

        You can easily follow downloads progress, including with NVDA, and particularly with the Golden Cursor add-on installed, using the download manager of virtually any web browser you can name.  I just tried downloading a massive PDF file I have on my Google drive and I can down-arrow on to the download status and have it read precisely where the download is and the total amount to be downloaded under Chrome.  If I wish to keep monitoring I have to up arrow/down arrow to get the status read again.  I almost never monitor download status for large files because I can check in download manager (CTRL+J in most web browsers) after the fact to see if the file did succeed in downloading or that it failed.

         As to your fiat that "you should not need any add-ons to do this" well, good luck with that.  Developers are going to do what they wish to do and what's most efficient for them.  You are one of many, many customers.  It is actually up to you to figure out, or to ask others, how something you might want to do can be done, not demand that people who don't even know you do things in the way you prefer.

         A big attitude adjustment, and acceptance of how the real world works, appears to be in order here.  Shooting me because I'm the messenger telling you something that's true, but that you don't want to hear, isn't helping you or anyone else, either.

        

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


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Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

David Moore
 

Hi,

I will poste a written tutorial on using NVDA with the MS Edge browser by sometime on Monday.

David Moore

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From: Don H
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

I am not having much luck at using Edge and NVDA.  Are there any

tutorials regarding using NVDA with Microsoft Edge?

Thanks

 

 

 


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

David Moore
 

Hi Rosemarie and all,

Here is an audio tutorial I did on the Google Chrome browser. I go through the one virticle menu, and I show you how to navigate the settings web page that opens, and pretty much about everything except to log into Chrome, but that is not necessary at all. You only need to do that to sync your settings and bookmarks between all of your devices. However, logging into Chrome, has become very accessible since I did this tutorial. Just press enter on log in, on the settings page that I will talk about in the tutorial.

Here is the link,

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mtw2i20zpxh3yb/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=1

I hope this really helps you, you, Rosemarie, and all of you who want to see how great Chrome is, especially for streaming video. I use three browsers to do different things. IE 11 works the best with Facebook and Twitter, Firefox works best with the Google apps like Google Docs, sheets, slides, play, and hangouts, and interacting with web pages, filling out complicated forms and so on and reading web articles. Chrome works the best with very large news web sites, reading articles on sports sites and other large web sites, and streaming. All three browsers work together to do most tasks. Even Edge has its place now, since it works so well with NVDA. I use Edge to load social sites such linked in, and the Twitter web site works great in Edge as well. Here is the link again to the tutorial. for Chrome. Just press enter on this link, and you can download this tutorial to your computer. It is an MP3 file, and lasts about an hour. Here is the link.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1mtw2i20zpxh3yb/Tutorial%20for%20Google%20Chrome.mp3?dl=1

Take care, all,

David Moore

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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The other day I installed google chrome and I do want to learn it well. Yes, I agree that it doesn't hurt to learn something new in case internet explorer dies. I can understand why people like what's familiar but I also see your point.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

David Moore
 

Hi all,

I am working on a written tutorial for Edge right now. I will put it on lists by Monday. By using NVDA and the object navigation, the Edge browser might be easier than using Firefox.

David Moore

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From: Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

Hi, Don,

 

I don't know of any tutorials for edge but hopefully the next version of NVDA will work well with edge.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:46 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

 

I am not having much luck at using Edge and NVDA.  Are there any tutorials regarding using NVDA with Microsoft Edge?

Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Google drive and nvda question

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There is a bit of softwar called rather unimaginitavily Winrar.
I used to have it but now modern 7zip can more than match the compression of rar in my view.
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


Hi Chris,
If you are using windows 10, there is an app built in called RAR viewer. When you hear the sound, tab to open with, and arrow to RAR viewer and press enter. A RAR file is a very unusual zipped file format. If you are not using win10, I have never known how to open a RAR file. You have to have the anniversary update of Windows 10 to have RAR viewer as a windows app that you can use to open that file.
David Moore
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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Shruggs,

Yeah, I kind a noticed.

Chris.

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From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

I thought you were asking about Drop box. I often read messages and don't read subject lines. Disregard my last message. It refers to Drop Box.

Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Before you follow the link, change the 0 at the end to a 1. Then follow the link. Paste the link as it is into the browser address bar. Then move to the end and change the 0 to a 1. Then press enter to follow the address.

The standard download dialog will come up.

for this answer, I am assuming you received such a link as an e-mail message. I am also assuming you see ?dl=0 at the end of the link.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Here's what the heck I! wanna know! Someone sent me a share link to a .rar file.

I had to use my phone, as I couldn't figure out how to download the dad blame thing. I would press enter on the download button, but as soon as I did, I'd hear the sound that NVDA plays like, when you hit enter on a text field on the web to begin typing. I tried down arrowing at that point, as I kind of remember it in the past giving a menu when you click download that would say save to drive, or download to my computer, but I couldn't even get that! to pop up.

So once on the page for a shared file, in Firefox, how in the heck do you then go about actually getting the download window asking to open with, or save to pop up as usual with any other file from any other source?

Chris.

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From: Governor staten
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.





On 12/21/2016 7:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
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Re: Google drive and nvda question

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That is dropbox, not google drive.


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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


Before you follow the link, change the 0 at the end to a 1. Then follow the link. Paste the link as it is into the browser address bar. Then move to the end and change the 0 to a 1. Then press enter to follow the address.

The standard download dialog will come up.

for this answer, I am assuming you received such a link as an e-mail message. I am also assuming you see ?dl=0 at the end of the link.

Gene
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From: Christopher-Mark Gilland
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


Here's what the heck I! wanna know! Someone sent me a share link to a .rar file.

I had to use my phone, as I couldn't figure out how to download the dad blame thing. I would press enter on the download button, but as soon as I did, I'd hear the sound that NVDA plays like, when you hit enter on a text field on the web to begin typing. I tried down arrowing at that point, as I kind of remember it in the past giving a menu when you click download that would say save to drive, or download to my computer, but I couldn't even get that! to pop up.

So once on the page for a shared file, in Firefox, how in the heck do you then go about actually getting the download window asking to open with, or save to pop up as usual with any other file from any other source?

Chris.

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From: Governor staten
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.








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OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
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Re: Google drive and nvda question

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I clicked the link and then in firefox I simply did the download and got the usual dialogue about what you want to do, ie download and all that and the save, save as file name etc.


However I think many times the google web site tries to be too clever and looks at the file extension and presents different options confusing things.
As I say they should keep it simple, but of course Google don't work that way...:-)
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


Here's what the heck I! wanna know! Someone sent me a share link to a .rar file.

I had to use my phone, as I couldn't figure out how to download the dad blame thing. I would press enter on the download button, but as soon as I did, I'd hear the sound that NVDA plays like, when you hit enter on a text field on the web to begin typing. I tried down arrowing at that point, as I kind of remember it in the past giving a menu when you click download that would say save to drive, or download to my computer, but I couldn't even get that! to pop up.

So once on the page for a shared file, in Firefox, how in the heck do you then go about actually getting the download window asking to open with, or save to pop up as usual with any other file from any other source?

Chris.

----- Original Message -----
From: Governor staten
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.








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On 12/21/2016 7:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:

OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
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locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

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Hi all,

I am sorry for coming across unlike Jesus would do. I am blind, and I have worked all of my life to try to be sighted and be like a sighted person, because they are the majority. My parents, when I was little, made me say the word see, and I am thankful they did. Admitting you are blind, and laughing and coping with your blindness is one thing, but expecting the world to pad its cornors for you, is just not my way of looking at things. I have had a harder time dealing with people who have always been blind, much more than being around the sighted. I was just taught to live in the sighted world, just the way it is and expect nothing different just because you are blind. I went to a regular public school, went to college and delt with everything on my own, so I just have a really dificult time knowing how to act with blind people who expect everything to be "Blind" for them. I am so sorry.

David Moore

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From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Brian,

        Contrary to your assertion,"if someone can make another brouser like that we might change but not until" it's time you figured out that you, like all others, actually have to deal with technological advances (and, sometimes, from a practical standpoint, they're more like regressions) just like the rest of us.

        You can easily follow downloads progress, including with NVDA, and particularly with the Golden Cursor add-on installed, using the download manager of virtually any web browser you can name.  I just tried downloading a massive PDF file I have on my Google drive and I can down-arrow on to the download status and have it read precisely where the download is and the total amount to be downloaded under Chrome.  If I wish to keep monitoring I have to up arrow/down arrow to get the status read again.  I almost never monitor download status for large files because I can check in download manager (CTRL+J in most web browsers) after the fact to see if the file did succeed in downloading or that it failed.

         As to your fiat that "you should not need any add-ons to do this" well, good luck with that.  Developers are going to do what they wish to do and what's most efficient for them.  You are one of many, many customers.  It is actually up to you to figure out, or to ask others, how something you might want to do can be done, not demand that people who don't even know you do things in the way you prefer.

         A big attitude adjustment, and acceptance of how the real world works, appears to be in order here.  Shooting me because I'm the messenger telling you something that's true, but that you don't want to hear, isn't helping you or anyone else, either.

        

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Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

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Does the windows 10 add on make things better. Since I don't particularly like Edge as a concept, preferring Firefox, I am not the person to ask.

The issue with Edge seems to be that after almost every update it is altered somehow and thus is hard to use in a predictable way.
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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge


Hi, Don,

I don't know of any tutorials for edge but hopefully the next version of NVDA will work well with edge.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

I am not having much luck at using Edge and NVDA. Are there any tutorials regarding using NVDA with Microsoft Edge?
Thanks


Re: Configuration now sorted

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What I can never quite understand is what it is that suddenly trashes the config file though. It seems totally random in nature, and of course nvda then uses the default. this os often why I tend to create a portable version with my config as well as the installed on so I caan fix things very quickly, since one needs to use the installed copy a lot more in Windows 10 than in earlier windows.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:17 PM
Subject: [nvda] Configuration now sorted


Hello Brian and Gene,

Thank you very much for your help. My laptop does have a physical numberpad, so with my wife's help I located the insert key, and after opening the configuration menu, soon changed the keyboard layout to laptop and the hotkey to Capslock. I then set my other preferences and saved my settings. All well now.

Best wishes,

Clive Pallett




locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

David Moore
 

Wow,

I agree with everything you just said. The Golden cursor add on is so important, that I am trying to get a hold of the author to let her know that we are using it. Just by using NVDA alone, I can hear the progress beeps as well in any browser. You are right, CTRL+J opens the downloads dialog. It is time for the blind to be proud to take all of the time they need to learn dificult sighted software. Joseph lee says that he cries and wheeps because the blind will never try anything new and have the motivation to learn something new. Well, I usually just right these blind people off as never wanting to learn anything. I help those blind people who are open minded, and want to assimulate into the sighted world instead of just living in their own little blind world.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 7:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Brian,

        Contrary to your assertion,"if someone can make another brouser like that we might change but not until" it's time you figured out that you, like all others, actually have to deal with technological advances (and, sometimes, from a practical standpoint, they're more like regressions) just like the rest of us.

        You can easily follow downloads progress, including with NVDA, and particularly with the Golden Cursor add-on installed, using the download manager of virtually any web browser you can name.  I just tried downloading a massive PDF file I have on my Google drive and I can down-arrow on to the download status and have it read precisely where the download is and the total amount to be downloaded under Chrome.  If I wish to keep monitoring I have to up arrow/down arrow to get the status read again.  I almost never monitor download status for large files because I can check in download manager (CTRL+J in most web browsers) after the fact to see if the file did succeed in downloading or that it failed.

         As to your fiat that "you should not need any add-ons to do this" well, good luck with that.  Developers are going to do what they wish to do and what's most efficient for them.  You are one of many, many customers.  It is actually up to you to figure out, or to ask others, how something you might want to do can be done, not demand that people who don't even know you do things in the way you prefer.

         A big attitude adjustment, and acceptance of how the real world works, appears to be in order here.  Shooting me because I'm the messenger telling you something that's true, but that you don't want to hear, isn't helping you or anyone else, either.

        

--
Brian

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         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


Re: Configuration menu

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Yes an old Del did not use it but shift and one of the functionkeys seemed to work, but no longer have the machine it died.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Configuration menu


Clive,

NVDA defaults (or always has in my experience) to desktop keyboard layout since the vast majority of laptops now have number pads as part of their keyboards. As Gene has already noted, you will use Insert as the NVDA key until you change your keyboard layout to Laptop, after which it will by the Caps Lock that you're used to.

As Gene also noted, if the keyboard on your machine actually has a "hard" insert key you can use that. Number Pad zero, when number lock is off, has been the "soft" insert key on every machine I've touched in years (though I'm certain that out there, somewhere, is a keyboard layout that doesn't use it).
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Re: Configuration menu

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If it reboots into the normal welcome screen there is a way in to change the keyboard layout in that dialogue or at least there was the last time I tried it.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Configuration menu


Hello Brian,

My NVDA shortcut key, Capslock, is not working as NVDA has reset to
default settings as per a fresh install. I am trying to get into the
configuration menu to reset my preferences and reset my NVDA shortcut
key. How do I do this? I am running Windows 10 on alaptop.

Best wishes,

Clive Pallett

On 21/12/2016 17:16, Brian Vogel wrote:

Clive,

NVDA+N brings up the NVDA Main Menu which includes the
Configurations management options as well as Preferences, Tools, and
Help . If you're looking for detailed information about resetting
preferences and then creating a profile from what you've configured
that goes well beyond the scope of what I can offer easily and quickly.
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Re: Google drive and nvda question

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Needs further investigation as it only worked once but had no ide how I did it!

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From: "Governor staten" <@Govsta>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything
should work as expected.



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OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the
context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of
which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in
of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email
addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something?
Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
Brian

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Re: NVDA development: Making sure NVDA source code/API documentation becomes one of the greatest out there in helping new developers

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Yes my experience exactly. Having been in both sides of the equation I do understand where folk come from.
In the old 8 bit days when i was sighted, I also had the problem that hardware was very very different between machines even if the processor was the same of course, and you had two lots of people, those who wanted to make a core and then add the hardware support to that and those z80 assembler folk who wriote it from the ground up and it then could never be ported to anything else without several nervous breakdowns and lots of tantrums..:-)
and then ther was CP/M ahem.
At least these had routines you called which were standard as far as what the input and output was on all platforms, only the operating system itself needing the bespoke drivers of hardware.

Bit restrictive on use of hardware specific enhancements though.

Anyway off topicnow so off for a lie down.
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:36 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA development: Making sure NVDA source code/API documentation becomes one of the greatest out there in helping new developers


On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 02:19 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:


However, I suspect that most people when writing code kind of get it as a
flash of inspiration or stream of consciousness then debug it from memory
and then forget by the end what in fact needed to be commented as they
understood it themselves so to speak.
Yes, this is a tangent, but a closely related one. I can absolutely relate to getting a top-down "how I'm going to do this overall" flash of inspiration with regard to programming solutions. My period of time for that was traditionally just before I dropped off to sleep, which is why I got in the habit of keeping a notepad handy to write down what that flash of high-level inspiration was. If I had just a very brief note I could generally bring it all back the next day, but often if I had nothing the only thing I could recall is that I'd had a flash of insight but no functional recollection of the nature of that insight.

But the coding itself was still, even when it was utterly fluid, something that I self-taught myself to comment when it was being written in terms of what the code segment that followed a comment was intended to do at whatever functional level made sense for the comment. It was never a "line by line" thing.

One can, with great personal effort, get in that habit. One can also, as a project lead, with great effort (and, usually, a period of being intensely "hated" by those you're supervising), create a culture where commenting is a must. Rejecting great, big, hundreds-of-lines of code with nary a comment, even if it works perfectly, is often required. I have yet to find those who are focusing the hatred during the period where this is new not coming round to bless the person who forced the issue when they have to come back in say, six month's time or longer, and try to update that code in some way. There always seems to be a period of intense struggle, though, as the "I don't need to comment my code - it's self evident" crowd persists in that delusion and that delusion is strong.
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Re: Google drive and nvda question

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I wanted to do what I can do in dropbox and when that page came up it was not able to be used it vanished when you tried to type into it. I have once managed to find it again, and then it worked but I'm not yet sure how I did it. Not as intuitive. the best I've been able to do is send a link manaually to another address whereupon clicking it opens a page on the web site with options like download and play, it was an mp3 file.

Bit of a convoluted way of doing what is already built into most browsers in a bespoke way. typical google reinvent the whole wheen you only need the tyre changing.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question


Brian,

Google Drive supports sharing at various levels of granularity from very fine (individual level, which is what the e-mail address field is about, and even for those individuals you can control precisely how they can manipulate the file) to "medium" where anyone you send the link to can download/view the file without logging in to do so to open to the world such that the file can be found in web searches (which is done using the Advanced link).

That's the short version. I just opened the Google Sync Drive folder on my desktop and shared what had previously been an unshared folder with another of my Google Mail addresses along with a Verizon e-mail address I use only for testing.

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