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Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Ron,

 

I guess some people are really stressed out about Christmas. I'm not. It's my favorite time of the year. I also like to play with odd software from time to time.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

OK, I was just asking.  Some people must be awfully stressed out over Christmas.  I sometimes like to play around with odd or unique software.

'

 

On 12/21/2016 6:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Ron Canazzi wrote, with regard to WebbIE:

A few weeks ago, I posted a query to this list and some others concerning solutions for this issue and got absolutely no response.

And that should be utterly unsurprising.  WebbIE is a one-man project about which very little is known to "the outside world."  Then you have the fact that it's built atop what was once the dominant, but is now a rapidly dying, web browser and the desire to delve into finding answers is simply absent.

For myself, and I am speaking strictly for myself, I am not going to dedicate my time to finding a solution to something that is rapidly hitting a dead end that no one can fix.  It makes no sense for me to spend my time that way and, in the final analysis, it makes no sense to spend your time (for any you) that way because it is a dead end.  Learning a new and currently popular browser is a far better use of time and effort.  Several browsers now have  a "reader view" (see Firefox Reader View page for the leader on this) feature that essentially do what WebbIE had been doing - stripping things to straight text.  Clutching antiquated software to your (for any you) bosom makes absolutely no sense over the long run.  That has nothing to do with whether you're sighted, blind, or anything else.  There are clear indications when the time to begin letting go is nigh and when that point is passed.

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 



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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Gene
 

You haven't needed a browser built for blind people for good Internet access since about 2000 if you had a good screen-reader.  Webbie was an important browser for quite some time but not because it was designed for blind users.  It was important because many blind people didn't have good screen-readers.  Before System Access and NVDA, many blind people benefitted from using Webbie because it was designed to be useable with minimal screen-readers such as Thunder or the old minimal Narrator.  I am quite sure that Internet Explorer can be made to display a progress bar during downloads.  I'm also quite sure Firefox and Chrome can, as well. 
 
I don't want to hear a progress bar during downloads so I don't have NVDA set to read them.  When I want to check the download, I look at the information in the download window relating to my file.  I am told the estimated time remaining, the speed of the download, and some other information.  I use my computer for lots of things and, while downloading, I don’t' stay in the download window.  I check the download now and then. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   


On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Brian Sackrider wrote:
webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    




locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Ron Canazzi
 

OK, I was just asking.  Some people must be awfully stressed out over Christmas.  I sometimes like to play around with odd or unique software.

'


On 12/21/2016 6:28 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Ron Canazzi wrote, with regard to WebbIE:

A few weeks ago, I posted a query to this list and some others concerning solutions for this issue and got absolutely no response.

And that should be utterly unsurprising.  WebbIE is a one-man project about which very little is known to "the outside world."  Then you have the fact that it's built atop what was once the dominant, but is now a rapidly dying, web browser and the desire to delve into finding answers is simply absent.

For myself, and I am speaking strictly for myself, I am not going to dedicate my time to finding a solution to something that is rapidly hitting a dead end that no one can fix.  It makes no sense for me to spend my time that way and, in the final analysis, it makes no sense to spend your time (for any you) that way because it is a dead end.  Learning a new and currently popular browser is a far better use of time and effort.  Several browsers now have  a "reader view" (see Firefox Reader View page for the leader on this) feature that essentially do what WebbIE had been doing - stripping things to straight text.  Clutching antiquated software to your (for any you) bosom makes absolutely no sense over the long run.  That has nothing to do with whether you're sighted, blind, or anything else.  There are clear indications when the time to begin letting go is nigh and when that point is passed.

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Gene
 

When you download a file in IE11, are you in the actual download window?  In other browsers such as Firefox and Chrome, you must open the download window to see the progress of the download.  If you have to open the download window in IE, doing so would likely allow the progress bar to be read.  There may not be a progress bar being displayed as you are currently downloading.  I don't know the command, if there is one, to open the download window in IE11.  I almost never use Internet Explorer and I've never upgraded from a quite old version. 
 
Also, adding to comments Brian, the other Brian made, there isn't that much to learn about using Firefox or Chrome.  Browsing on web pages, that is using commands like h for headings, etc. is identical.  Those are browser commands.  There isn't that much to learn about the new interface.  And Firefox, I don't use Chrome enough to comment on this feature, has a very convenient ssearch book marks feature that if IE has it, is not made plain where it is to the user.  I don't think there is such a feature.  With the Firefox feature, you can search all your book marks using this feature, however they are organized.  There is a search history feature as well.
 
Using Chrome and Firefox, you are better protected against malware which may be distributed by malicious Flash content.  Both Chrome and Firefox are far more restrictive about what Flash content they allow to run than Internet Explorer.  This didn't used to be the case but such browsers are continuing to be developed and Internet Explorer hasn't been developed for probably two years, if not more.  It is useable now but archaic. 
 
I don't like the Chrome interface though it is quite accessible now.  I find the Firefox interface to be more convenient for a blind user.  But it would be a good idea to stop using Internet Explorer as a main browser.  At times, I find a site that works well with Internet Explorer and not with Chrome or Firefox.  I keep Internet Explorer in mind as a reserve for such uncommon occasions.  But in general, it is better to use something else that isn't growing increasingly archaic. 
 
I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft stops providing security updates for Internet explorer sometime around 2019.  maybe even at some point in 2018.
 
Gene 

----- Original Message -----
From: brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 5:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

        I do use webie but there are sites that webie has problems with but I use it for downloading because I can hear the percentages but ie 11 nvda does not read the percentages so you don't know if your downloads are progressing or not.  I have my gmail in my thunderbird and webie as my default brouser this works just fine. 

Brian Sackrider


On 12/21/2016 2:50 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I was using my own computer.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Yes, I think so.  I’ve seen this when I had a problem trying to sign in using another device that was mine. I should say a friend’s device while I was on vacation in my own state.  Canada When I got home I had to go into the e-mail on our IPhone to allow it. then the problem went away. I could not get my gmail in my inbox. When I allowed the IPhone to my gmail. The problem went away. Did you try signing into your gmail on another device? Or were you using your own computer?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Gene,

 

When I tried to sign in, I was taken to something like "create an account". I wonder if secuirty might have something to do with it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

When you present a problem, please present details.  Saying you had a problem doesn't allow anyone to know if they are addressing the problem you had.

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:22 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

The issue to me is that Webbie is in fact just a front end of Internet
explorer, so in my experience much of the more modern coding in pages cannot
be seen by it these days.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser


> Hi, everyone,
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> I just tried to sign in to my gmail account using the webbie browser but
> am
> having a problem. If any of you use it, what do you do?
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> Thanks four your help in advance.
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> Rosemarie
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locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

brian
 

    Thats correct webie is just like ie 8 thats why we like it so much so if somone can make another brouser like that we might change but not until.

Brian Sackrider


On 12/21/2016 7:06 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 



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Arlene
 

Oh yeah? Like I said. I never heard of it!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 4:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

The one thing I like about the webbie browser is that it takes out all the extra clutter that you see on a lot of sites. I'll probably use it mainly for downloading songs from my friend's oldies site. I do like that you can hear the percentages. It's just like how internet explorer 8 used to be.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


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Arlene
 

Webie? Never heard of it until now! I like IE. If I ended up with ten. I’d use it and Firefox just as I do here on my 7. But If IE died. I’d just use FIREFOX or google krome.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: December-21-16 3:57 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   

 

On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 

 


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

brian
 

        The reason that some of us use webie isthat it was designed for the blind and if anyone canshow me a brouser that does what I like webiefor then I will concitering changing my brouser but nvda still needs to have full support on other brousers and it is very important to know if your downloads are progressing or not because your internet may drop out on you and you may not know it if you can't heard the progress of your downloads.  You should not need any add ons to your brouser to do this nvda should be able to do this.  If it's true that webie will no longer work very soon then the developers should be working very hard and fast to make nvda work with all brousers and togive us access to the progress of our downloads like webie does.  I will keep on using webie until it no longer works at all.  Nvda is updates 3 times per year so why arethe developers not doing more in this area?  Maybe nvda could develope it's own brouser that would do what webie does there is no other brouser designed for the blind they are all designed by and for the sighted. 

Brian Sackrider   


On 12/21/2016 6:34 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Brian Sackrider wrote:
webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    




Re: NVDA and Microsoft edge

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Don,

I don't know of any tutorials for edge but hopefully the next version of NVDA will work well with edge.

Rosemarie

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and Microsoft edge

I am not having much luck at using Edge and NVDA. Are there any tutorials regarding using NVDA with Microsoft Edge?
Thanks


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

The other day I installed google chrome and I do want to learn it well. Yes, I agree that it doesn't hurt to learn something new in case internet explorer dies. I can understand why people like what's familiar but I also see your point.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Brian Sackrider wrote:

webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    

 


NVDA and Microsoft edge

Don H
 

I am not having much luck at using Edge and NVDA. Are there any tutorials regarding using NVDA with Microsoft Edge?
Thanks


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Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I mainly use internet explorer but webbie works well for sownloading. I downloaded a song from a friend's oldies site yesterday.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

        I do use webie but there are sites that webie has problems with but I use it for downloading because I can hear the percentages but ie 11 nvda does not read the percentages so you don't know if your downloads are progressing or not.  I have my gmail in my thunderbird and webie as my default brouser this works just fine. 

Brian Sackrider

 

On 12/21/2016 2:50 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I was using my own computer.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Yes, I think so.  I’ve seen this when I had a problem trying to sign in using another device that was mine. I should say a friend’s device while I was on vacation in my own state.  Canada When I got home I had to go into the e-mail on our IPhone to allow it. then the problem went away. I could not get my gmail in my inbox. When I allowed the IPhone to my gmail. The problem went away. Did you try signing into your gmail on another device? Or were you using your own computer?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Gene,

 

When I tried to sign in, I was taken to something like "create an account". I wonder if secuirty might have something to do with it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

When you present a problem, please present details.  Saying you had a problem doesn't allow anyone to know if they are addressing the problem you had.

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:22 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

The issue to me is that Webbie is in fact just a front end of Internet
explorer, so in my experience much of the more modern coding in pages cannot
be seen by it these days.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser


> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I just tried to sign in to my gmail account using the webbie browser but
> am
> having a problem. If any of you use it, what do you do?
>
>
>
> Thanks four your help in advance.
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>

 


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Brian Sackrider wrote:
webie as my default browser this works just fine.

But the point, Brian, is that it will not continue doing so for much longer.  I get why people like the familiar and specific features such as the percentage announcement during download that you mention.  When Microsoft announces it's phasing out what had once been its flagship web browser they're not kidding, and the rest of the world of software developers takes notice.  You have to know that IE is a rapidly dying technology, as is anything built on it as a foundation.  You will wake up one day, and probably sooner than you think, and WebbIE will not be working just fine.  

Now is the time to start playing with alternatives to IE and WebbIE so that when that day comes you're not in an instant hard place.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Ron Canazzi wrote, with regard to WebbIE:

A few weeks ago, I posted a query to this list and some others concerning solutions for this issue and got absolutely no response.

And that should be utterly unsurprising.  WebbIE is a one-man project about which very little is known to "the outside world."  Then you have the fact that it's built atop what was once the dominant, but is now a rapidly dying, web browser and the desire to delve into finding answers is simply absent.

For myself, and I am speaking strictly for myself, I am not going to dedicate my time to finding a solution to something that is rapidly hitting a dead end that no one can fix.  It makes no sense for me to spend my time that way and, in the final analysis, it makes no sense to spend your time (for any you) that way because it is a dead end.  Learning a new and currently popular browser is a far better use of time and effort.  Several browsers now have  a "reader view" (see Firefox Reader View page for the leader on this) feature that essentially do what WebbIE had been doing - stripping things to straight text.  Clutching antiquated software to your (for any you) bosom makes absolutely no sense over the long run.  That has nothing to do with whether you're sighted, blind, or anything else.  There are clear indications when the time to begin letting go is nigh and when that point is passed.

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

brian
 

        I do use webie but there are sites that webie has problems with but I use it for downloading because I can hear the percentages but ie 11 nvda does not read the percentages so you don't know if your downloads are progressing or not.  I have my gmail in my thunderbird and webie as my default brouser this works just fine. 

Brian Sackrider


On 12/21/2016 2:50 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

I was using my own computer.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arlene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 11:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Yes, I think so.  I’ve seen this when I had a problem trying to sign in using another device that was mine. I should say a friend’s device while I was on vacation in my own state.  Canada When I got home I had to go into the e-mail on our IPhone to allow it. then the problem went away. I could not get my gmail in my inbox. When I allowed the IPhone to my gmail. The problem went away. Did you try signing into your gmail on another device? Or were you using your own computer?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-21-16 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Gene,

 

When I tried to sign in, I was taken to something like "create an account". I wonder if secuirty might have something to do with it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

When you present a problem, please present details.  Saying you had a problem doesn't allow anyone to know if they are addressing the problem you had.

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:22 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

The issue to me is that Webbie is in fact just a front end of Internet
explorer, so in my experience much of the more modern coding in pages cannot
be seen by it these days.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser


> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I just tried to sign in to my gmail account using the webbie browser but
> am
> having a problem. If any of you use it, what do you do?
>
>
>
> Thanks four your help in advance.
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

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locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I played with this WebIE (version 4--supposedly latest version) and while it does work somewhat, I have great wait times when accessing pages with large graphics or embedded audio. 


A few weeks ago, I posted a query to this list and some others concerning solutions for this issue and got absolutely no response.



On 12/21/2016 5:02 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

David,

           I'd say you're accurate just by saying that IE11 is now long out of date, and WebbIE is subject to whatever issues that in itself entails.  It appears that Alasdair King continues to maintain WebbIE as there are two updates in 2016, the last one noted as this month, on the WebbIE web page under the Version History section and he gets into details about said updates on the WebbIE Blog Page.

           I agree, though, that it really amounts to throwing good effort after bad to pursue anything that has IE11 as its underlying web browsing technology these days.  While IE11 is still getting security updates it is under no further development.  Web coding conventions have changed enough since development stopped for that to already be a functional concern.  Now there's no screen reader maker I know of that's throwing a lot of focus on IE going forward since it's been supplanted in the marketplace by Chrome and Firefox and Microsoft is intent on making Edge its flagship web browser.  There's a lot more interest in keeping on top of these three browsers while IE is going to become more and more a stepchild and will eventually likely end up unsupported beyond what already exists (which is substantial, but still, the writing's on the wall).
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



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locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

David,

           I'd say you're accurate just by saying that IE11 is now long out of date, and WebbIE is subject to whatever issues that in itself entails.  It appears that Alasdair King continues to maintain WebbIE as there are two updates in 2016, the last one noted as this month, on the WebbIE web page under the Version History section and he gets into details about said updates on the WebbIE Blog Page.

           I agree, though, that it really amounts to throwing good effort after bad to pursue anything that has IE11 as its underlying web browsing technology these days.  While IE11 is still getting security updates it is under no further development.  Web coding conventions have changed enough since development stopped for that to already be a functional concern.  Now there's no screen reader maker I know of that's throwing a lot of focus on IE going forward since it's been supplanted in the marketplace by Chrome and Firefox and Microsoft is intent on making Edge its flagship web browser.  There's a lot more interest in keeping on top of these three browsers while IE is going to become more and more a stepchild and will eventually likely end up unsupported beyond what already exists (which is substantial, but still, the writing's on the wall).
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

I do have google chrome now.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 1:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Yes, Rosemarie,

the webbie browser is way out of date, and many features that are on web pages will not work with webbie, and many features in JAWS like aria will not work either. You are really limiting yourself using webbie over a current up to date browser like firefox or Chrome, or even Edge with NVDA.

David Moore

 

From: Gene

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:21 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Didn't you have that problem before?  How did you solve it with another browser. 

 

Gene

 

From: Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 10:25 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

Hi, Gene,

 

When I tried to sign in, I was taken to something like "create an account". I wonder if secuirty might have something to do with it.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

When you present a problem, please present details.  Saying you had a problem doesn't allow anyone to know if they are addressing the problem you had.

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:22 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

 

The issue to me is that Webbie is in fact just a front end of Internet
explorer, so in my experience much of the more modern coding in pages cannot
be seen by it these days.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser


> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I just tried to sign in to my gmail account using the webbie browser but
> am
> having a problem. If any of you use it, what do you do?
>
>
>
> Thanks four your help in advance.
>
>
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>
>
>
>