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Re: Google drive and nvda question

 

Alt+tab around until you get to the share settings window. Everything should work as expected.






On 12/21/2016 7:42 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
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Re: NVDA development: Making sure NVDA source code/API documentation becomes one of the greatest out there in helping new developers

 

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 02:19 am, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
However, I suspect that most people when writing code kind of get it as a flash of inspiration or stream of consciousness then debug it from memory and then forget by the end what in fact needed to be commented as they understood it themselves so to speak.

Yes, this is a tangent, but a closely related one.    I can absolutely relate to getting a top-down "how I'm going to do this overall" flash of inspiration with regard to programming solutions.  My period of time for that was traditionally just before I dropped off to sleep, which is why I got in the habit of keeping a notepad handy to write down what that flash of high-level inspiration was.   If I had just a very brief note I could generally bring it all back the next day, but often if I had nothing the only thing I could recall is that I'd had a flash of insight but no functional recollection of the nature of that insight.

But the coding itself was still, even when it was utterly fluid, something that I self-taught myself to comment when it was being written in terms of what the code segment that followed a comment was intended to do at whatever functional level made sense for the comment.  It was never a "line by line" thing.

One can, with great personal effort, get in that habit.   One can also, as a project lead, with great effort (and, usually, a period of being intensely "hated" by those you're supervising), create a culture where commenting is a must.  Rejecting great, big, hundreds-of-lines of code with nary a comment, even if it works perfectly, is often required.   I have yet to find those who are focusing the hatred during the period where this is new not coming round to bless the person who forced the issue when they have to come back in say, six month's time or longer, and try to update that code in some way.  There always seems to be a period of intense struggle, though, as the "I don't need to comment my code - it's self evident" crowd persists in that delusion and that delusion is strong.
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Re: I forgot the keystroke for audio ducking

Sakina
 

Thank you Gene for answering Rosemarie’s question and at the same time thinking about the new learners. It will be very helpful.  Thank you.

Sakina

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 12:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I forgot the keystroke for audio ducking

 

it's also worth mentioning that for those who want really fast and easy access to the manual or the quick keys reference, if you open the item in your browser, you can then create a book mark or favorite for it just as for any other web page.  this is also good to know for those who are just beginning to learn about NVDA and who want to use a different screen-reader in the early stages of learning.  You can follow the bookmark or favorite and the manual or keys reference will open in your browser regardless of what screen-reader is being used or even if none is.  these are web pages stored in the NVDA program and open as web pages.

 

Gene under any conditions

----- Original Message -----

From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 6:09 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] I forgot the keystroke for audio ducking

 

I guess it might have helped to mention that the NVDA Menu under which Help is an option is brought up via NVDA+n.
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Re: Google drive and nvda question

 

Brian,

        Google Drive supports sharing at various levels of granularity from very fine (individual level, which is what the e-mail address field is about, and even for those individuals you can control precisely how they can manipulate the file) to "medium" where anyone you send the link to can download/view the file without logging in to do so to open to the world such that the file can be found in web searches (which is done using the Advanced link).

         That's the short version.  I just opened the Google Sync Drive folder on my desktop and shared what had previously been an unshared folder with another of my Google Mail addresses along with a Verizon e-mail address I use only for testing.

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Re: dropbox working

Gene
 

The public folder has never been removed for those who still had it.  New members were not allowed public folders unless they paid for service and this policy has been the same since it was instituted. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working

Well, surely its the same as when you provide a public link to a file which
is not now in the public folder. the only difference s seems to be the type
of folder.
 Ambiguity R Us.
 I seem to recall they removed the public folder some time ago and there was
so much  uproar that they reinstated it. I suspect this is their rather odd
answer to that. To me though you would need to be a complete nutter to link
to an entire folder in any case.

I think the problem is that the term public link seems to just apply to the
public folder, whereas even now it applies to all folders. The term public
is a bit misleading as it means a sharable link to one file not to something
just in the public folder, so change the name to private and then its more
obvious perhaps?
 We shall all have to wait till March 15 and see what happens. I have no
doubt they will break something as companies tend to do when they fix things
that were not broken in the first place!]
 I was attempting to read their command line stuff the other day. I'm glad I
stopped I wanted to keep my sanity.
 :-)
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


It didn't say public links will still be available as public links.  I don't
recall the exact wording but as I understand it, it said your files will
still be available.  But whatever the exact wording of the message is, and I
no longer have it, the meaning is that you will still have your files on
Drop Box, but that public links will no longer function and that they will
have to be shared in the way I've described in other messages if you share
by providing a link.  At least that's how I understood the message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Yes indeed, it was a while back when the menu option went wrong. However the
recent message is ambiguous in that it seems to suggest the public folder
will become private, but public links will still be available.
 I have never thought of sharing a whole folder as a link myself and
normally shared links need both parties to have the desktop client installed
to work properly.

 So having read all their things that suggest in March things will change,
I'm no wiser what will change at all.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


I've never received a link to a folder nor have I shared one.  But you will
see a copy link item in the context menu when looking at the context menu
when a folder is highlighted.  In other words, whether such links work or
not, they are still available whether you are working with public links or
not.  The abandonment of public links next March appears to be an
inconvenience to those who have links to public files on places like web
pages.  presumably, new links will have to be put up to replace the old
public links.  But it also appears that the options to use the replacement
links and what can be linked to will not change.  files will still be able
to be linked to and, even if they don't work, folder links are still
available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Don't think you could ever send a public link to a folder to someone.
It has never worked when I tried it so I just zipped the folder which
made it one file and then I could send the link to the zip file.


Roger









On 12/19/2016 2:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> I got it but don't really get what they mean. Without being able to
> use a public link for others, there is little point in having dropbox
> really. the thing can be read as, you can still use public links, but
> they can only be to a file, not anything more. I've never tried
> letting a web user a whole folder on the web interface ie without an
> installed drropbox. It would be daft for them to stop public links to
> files though, as many people I know rely on my emailing them a link
> and do not have the ability to install stuff themselves so say, a link
> to a copy of a large text document or audio file is going to be all
> they can do, they would not want it attached to an email or it would
> end up on a portable device and  make their data usage go through the
> roof. The link way means they only download it on their home machine.
> I've read what they say and as I say I'm really no wiser at all.
> Brian
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
> As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign
> up.  I got a notice last week.  As far as I recall, I didn't elect to
> get the newsletters.  If you don't use public links, I don't know if
> you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Arlene
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
> Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to
> you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying
> that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
>
> The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any
> other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next
> year.  I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since
> nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing
> anything else.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
>
> Hi.
> Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
> expected.
> Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
> If it was a failier then false alarm.
> If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
> complain.
> I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy
> about it.
> It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
> long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
> webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>










Re: Google drive and nvda question

Gene
 

I don't know what you will see in the public links folder.  you can experiment.  To avoid any problems of context, move to a file not in the public links folder.  Open the context menu.
Find the item that says somethin like copy link. 
Press enter.
The link is now copied to the clipboard.
I don't know about sharing files using e-mail options in the desktop client.  I simply write an e-mail using my e-mail program and paste the link in.  Don't forget to change the 0 to a 1 at the end of the link before sending the message. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 6:42 AM
Subject: [nvda] Google drive and nvda question

OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context
menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously
the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to
send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to
disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app
other than my default one perhaps?
 Has anyone got this to work?
 Brian

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Re: dropbox working

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well, surely its the same as when you provide a public link to a file which is not now in the public folder. the only difference s seems to be the type of folder.
Ambiguity R Us.
I seem to recall they removed the public folder some time ago and there was so much uproar that they reinstated it. I suspect this is their rather odd answer to that. To me though you would need to be a complete nutter to link to an entire folder in any case.

I think the problem is that the term public link seems to just apply to the public folder, whereas even now it applies to all folders. The term public is a bit misleading as it means a sharable link to one file not to something just in the public folder, so change the name to private and then its more obvious perhaps?
We shall all have to wait till March 15 and see what happens. I have no doubt they will break something as companies tend to do when they fix things that were not broken in the first place!]
I was attempting to read their command line stuff the other day. I'm glad I stopped I wanted to keep my sanity.
:-)
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


It didn't say public links will still be available as public links. I don't recall the exact wording but as I understand it, it said your files will still be available. But whatever the exact wording of the message is, and I no longer have it, the meaning is that you will still have your files on Drop Box, but that public links will no longer function and that they will have to be shared in the way I've described in other messages if you share by providing a link. At least that's how I understood the message.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Yes indeed, it was a while back when the menu option went wrong. However the
recent message is ambiguous in that it seems to suggest the public folder
will become private, but public links will still be available.
I have never thought of sharing a whole folder as a link myself and
normally shared links need both parties to have the desktop client installed
to work properly.

So having read all their things that suggest in March things will change,
I'm no wiser what will change at all.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


I've never received a link to a folder nor have I shared one. But you will
see a copy link item in the context menu when looking at the context menu
when a folder is highlighted. In other words, whether such links work or
not, they are still available whether you are working with public links or
not. The abandonment of public links next March appears to be an
inconvenience to those who have links to public files on places like web
pages. presumably, new links will have to be put up to replace the old
public links. But it also appears that the options to use the replacement
links and what can be linked to will not change. files will still be able
to be linked to and, even if they don't work, folder links are still
available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Don't think you could ever send a public link to a folder to someone.
It has never worked when I tried it so I just zipped the folder which
made it one file and then I could send the link to the zip file.


Roger









On 12/19/2016 2:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I got it but don't really get what they mean. Without being able to
use a public link for others, there is little point in having dropbox
really. the thing can be read as, you can still use public links, but
they can only be to a file, not anything more. I've never tried
letting a web user a whole folder on the web interface ie without an
installed drropbox. It would be daft for them to stop public links to
files though, as many people I know rely on my emailing them a link
and do not have the ability to install stuff themselves so say, a link
to a copy of a large text document or audio file is going to be all
they can do, they would not want it attached to an email or it would
end up on a portable device and make their data usage go through the
roof. The link way means they only download it on their home machine.
I've read what they say and as I say I'm really no wiser at all.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign
up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to
get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if
you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to
you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying
that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any
other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next
year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since
nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing
anything else.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy
about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.








.


Google drive and nvda question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

OK so its installed and the desktop program works OK, but on the context menu there is a share option with two sub options, one of which is obviously the one that you are supposed to put the emails in of people wyou wish to send the link to. It says enter names or email addresses, but seems to disappear if you type. Am I missing something? Is it aiming at an email app other than my default one perhaps?
Has anyone got this to work?
Brian

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Re: dropbox working

Gene
 

It didn't say public links will still be available as public links.  I don't recall the exact wording but as I understand it, it said your files will still be available.  But whatever the exact wording of the message is, and I no longer have it, the meaning is that you will still have your files on Drop Box, but that public links will no longer function and that they will have to be shared in the way I've described in other messages if you share by providing a link.  At least that's how I understood the message. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working

Yes indeed, it was a while back when the menu option went wrong. However the
recent message is ambiguous in that it seems to suggest the public folder
will become private, but public links will still be available.
 I have never thought of sharing a whole folder as a link myself and
normally shared links need both parties to have the desktop client installed
to work properly.

 So having read all their things that suggest in March things will change,
I'm no wiser what will change at all.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


I've never received a link to a folder nor have I shared one.  But you will
see a copy link item in the context menu when looking at the context menu
when a folder is highlighted.  In other words, whether such links work or
not, they are still available whether you are working with public links or
not.  The abandonment of public links next March appears to be an
inconvenience to those who have links to public files on places like web
pages.  presumably, new links will have to be put up to replace the old
public links.  But it also appears that the options to use the replacement
links and what can be linked to will not change.  files will still be able
to be linked to and, even if they don't work, folder links are still
available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Don't think you could ever send a public link to a folder to someone.
It has never worked when I tried it so I just zipped the folder which
made it one file and then I could send the link to the zip file.


Roger









On 12/19/2016 2:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
> I got it but don't really get what they mean. Without being able to
> use a public link for others, there is little point in having dropbox
> really. the thing can be read as, you can still use public links, but
> they can only be to a file, not anything more. I've never tried
> letting a web user a whole folder on the web interface ie without an
> installed drropbox. It would be daft for them to stop public links to
> files though, as many people I know rely on my emailing them a link
> and do not have the ability to install stuff themselves so say, a link
> to a copy of a large text document or audio file is going to be all
> they can do, they would not want it attached to an email or it would
> end up on a portable device and  make their data usage go through the
> roof. The link way means they only download it on their home machine.
> I've read what they say and as I say I'm really no wiser at all.
> Brian
>
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> Please address personal email to:-
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
> As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign
> up.  I got a notice last week.  As far as I recall, I didn't elect to
> get the newsletters.  If you don't use public links, I don't know if
> you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Arlene
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
> Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to
> you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying
> that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
> Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
>
> The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any
> other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next
> year.  I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since
> nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing
> anything else.
>
>
>
> Gene
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Shaun Everiss
>
> Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM
>
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>
> Subject: [nvda] dropbox working
>
>
>
> Hi.
> Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
> expected.
> Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
> If it was a failier then false alarm.
> If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
> complain.
> I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy
> about it.
> It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
> long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
> webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> .
>







locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Gene
 

When you present a problem, please present details.  Saying you had a problem doesn't allow anyone to know if they are addressing the problem you had.
 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

The issue to me is that Webbie is in fact just a front end of Internet
explorer, so in my experience much of the more modern coding in pages cannot
be seen by it these days.

Brian

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From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser


> Hi, everyone,
>
>
>
> I just tried to sign in to my gmail account using the webbie browser but
> am
> having a problem. If any of you use it, what do you do?
>
>
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> Thanks four your help in advance.
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> Rosemarie
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Re: re i am new to nvda can someone help?

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I'm not sure about why any email would crash when running jaws, but I'm a little worried about nvda not speaking. I would suggest that when you do an install you make sure its as admin and that Jaws is unloaded as well, as the installation is self voicing.
If as has been suggested the screenreader is set to no speech, you may need to manually remove any settings files of nvda before a re install. this can be done with Jaws obviously.


You should also be able to use the default Windows voice on nvda as well, though some sighted help may be needed if you cannot get espeak to work.
Not working implies some issues in the machine, as Espeak is a stand alone synth.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "stewartross" <stewartross@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:05 AM
Subject: [nvda] re i am new to nvda can someone help?


hi i wonder if someone out there could help me
wenever i try to load nvda, i can't get the voice to work.
i thought i would install nvda, to see what is like also
as my jaws keeps crashing wen i am running outlook express seven with wiindows seven.
many thanks

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Re: dropbox working

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Yes indeed, it was a while back when the menu option went wrong. However the recent message is ambiguous in that it seems to suggest the public folder will become private, but public links will still be available.
I have never thought of sharing a whole folder as a link myself and normally shared links need both parties to have the desktop client installed to work properly.

So having read all their things that suggest in March things will change, I'm no wiser what will change at all.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


I've never received a link to a folder nor have I shared one. But you will see a copy link item in the context menu when looking at the context menu when a folder is highlighted. In other words, whether such links work or not, they are still available whether you are working with public links or not. The abandonment of public links next March appears to be an inconvenience to those who have links to public files on places like web pages. presumably, new links will have to be put up to replace the old public links. But it also appears that the options to use the replacement links and what can be linked to will not change. files will still be able to be linked to and, even if they don't work, folder links are still available.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Roger Stewart
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Don't think you could ever send a public link to a folder to someone.
It has never worked when I tried it so I just zipped the folder which
made it one file and then I could send the link to the zip file.


Roger









On 12/19/2016 2:44 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I got it but don't really get what they mean. Without being able to
use a public link for others, there is little point in having dropbox
really. the thing can be read as, you can still use public links, but
they can only be to a file, not anything more. I've never tried
letting a web user a whole folder on the web interface ie without an
installed drropbox. It would be daft for them to stop public links to
files though, as many people I know rely on my emailing them a link
and do not have the ability to install stuff themselves so say, a link
to a copy of a large text document or audio file is going to be all
they can do, they would not want it attached to an email or it would
end up on a portable device and make their data usage go through the
roof. The link way means they only download it on their home machine.
I've read what they say and as I say I'm really no wiser at all.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign
up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to
get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if
you will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene
Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to
you. I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying
that your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any
other subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next
year. I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since
nothing else was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing
anything else.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy
about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.








.


Re: re i am new to nvda can someone help?

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I tell you what has stopped working in all windows versions after a recent windows update, that is the old Scansoft emily 16 bit voice. I have tried to reinstall it but it never plays any more not even in Dolphin products, so they broke this in xp and onwards. the 32 bit voices still work, however.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dejan Ristic" <r.dejan83@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] re i am new to nvda can someone help?


It may be that your synthesizer is set to the No speech option.


To check it, press: nvda PLUS CONTROL PLUS S. The synthesizer dialogue
should appear. Try to find, for instance, ESpeak NG, and then press
enter to try to make it speak.


NOTE:


If you are unable to do it yourself, either bring up another screen
reader to assist you, or some sighted assistance.



Never have more than one screen reader turned on when you start your
computer. They may have a conflict.
On 12/19/2016 10:05 AM, stewartross wrote:
hi i wonder if someone out there could help me
wenever i try to load nvda, i can't get the voice to work.
i thought i would install nvda, to see what is like also
as my jaws keeps crashing wen i am running outlook express seven with
wiindows seven.
many thanks
from stewart
from the ross meister
www.laserhothits.co.uk <http://www.laserhothits.co.uk>



Re: dropbox working

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I'd take issue with you on this. I have had replies back from several named persons who have created tickets for me and eventually fixed the issue. It is true to say as is often the case that they do not fully understand the blind experience, and this has been shows by their badge systems recently introduced, but in the main they do tend to fix things.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <@smeveriss>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Well I am just happy direct links work.
Sadly its clear that they do not respond to users. because I just got a standard automated responce saying use the self service options.
Or the forums and many had the same issues I had.
It seems to be fixed for now.
Dropbox is a good service as long as it works that is.
I swear it must be staffed by cybermen its the only explanation I can think of.



On 19/12/2016 10:01 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Well I got a notice to an email address I closed the account on but not
on the new account email.
Very strange indeed.
There has been several notices recently telling of upcoming changes, or
improvements as they prefer to call them. to me they are in grave danger
of driving away the simple user who does not wantbadges collaborations
sharing folders etc, and only ever uses it to keep several machines able
to see a core of files and use the public links on places like this to
help out other users.
The did a while ago say they would not support XP and logged everybody
out then without any kind of announcement we coould all log in again and
use it on Intel chipped machines running xp, but not amd ones, but since
they also told us how to stop the client updating as well, and the 13
version still works, then it seems one arm of their organisation is
working one way, while another is doibing something else and not
explaining what they are doing very well either.
They do need to be careful as there are other players out there still
offering public links to cloud stored files.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 4:39 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working


Well I use them lots. But I never got a notice! For some strange reason
I never got one.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



As far as I know, you will get such a notice even if you didn't sign
up. I got a notice last week. As far as I recall, I didn't elect to
get the newsletters. If you don't use public links, I don't know if you
will get such a notice but I have public links and I did.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Arlene <mailto:nedster66@...>

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 9:09 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi Gene If you sign up for Drop Box news letters. They send them to you.
I have’nt signed up. But friends who did sent me messages saying that
your public folder is going private as of March 15 next year.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: December-18-16 12:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] dropbox working



The message I received only a few days ago said nothing about any other
subject than that public links would be dropped in March of next year.
I see no reason, since Drop Box is working again, and since nothing else
was mentioned, to believe that Drop Box is changing anything else.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Shaun Everiss <mailto:@smeveriss>

Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 2:43 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] dropbox working



Hi.
Hmmm maybe dropbox crashed, it appears that everything works now as I
expected.
Dropbox.com stopped working for a little but is now back.
If it was a failier then false alarm.
If it was dropbox responding to everyone ranting at them, then I can't
complain.
I just hope they don't mangle it all again because I wasn't happy about it.
It seems that it works though as it should with direct downloads, as
long as that works I won't have to bother about their inaccessible
webpage which I can't seem to get things to work on.






.


locked Re: trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

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The issue to me is that Webbie is in fact just a front end of Internet explorer, so in my experience much of the more modern coding in pages cannot be seen by it these days.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rosemarie Chavarria" <knitqueen2007@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 4:08 AM
Subject: [nvda] trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser


Hi, everyone,



I just tried to sign in to my gmail account using the webbie browser but am
having a problem. If any of you use it, what do you do?



Thanks four your help in advance.



Rosemarie






Re: NVDA development: Making sure NVDA source code/API documentation becomes one of the greatest out there in helping new developers

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Brought back old memories here too.
However, I suspect that most people when writing code kind of get it as a flash of inspiration or stream of consciousness then debug it from memory and then forget by the end what in fact needed to be commented as they understood it themselves so to speak.
I'd say that this sort of thing trying to go back and do it can create weird effects in merged code and all sorts of inadvertent typos etc.
Not saying you should not do it but it needs a certain sort of person who effectively sees no actual outcome from the users point of view in doing it, but still has to have a very good understanding of several programming languages and different styles and conventions of using them.
I've never met a programmer yet that would just settle for doing this considering their talent and knowledge, they would want to add or change things.
Just saying.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA development: Making sure NVDA source code/API documentation becomes one of the greatest out there in helping new developers


The following is a general observation from someone who spent 12 years doing nothing but coding in one form or another before switching my focus.

The situation described is, sadly, all too common. It seems that no matter how often it's emphasized that code must be commented during its creation that seldom happens and for particularly complex code it becomes well-nigh impossible to tease out what certain segments were intended to do. When this effort is undertaken another needs to happen at the same time: Establishing commenting conventions (one can't call them standards, really) that all coders on the project are expected to follow in all new code created and old code opened up for updating.

I haven't written any code beyond shell scripts and the like in a very long time, so I doubt I could be of even the slightest help, other than offering the above observation and suggestion. If a "hard expectation" in a given development project is not established, and enforced (for lack of a better term) by occasional review, regarding commenting code it just never seems to happen. I know that I was grateful many, many times that I forced myself to comment code because some of the stuff I wrote was hellishly complex C code that I would never have recalled exactly what I was doing in specific segments long after the initial coding effort when I had to reopen the stuff for updates later on.

--
*Brian*

* Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from * *insufficient premises.*

* ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902*


Excel: Report text formatting, what does the number mean?

蔡宗豪 Victor Cai
 

Hi
In Excel2010, while pressing NVDA+f.

speech: style 一般 4 2
or
speech: style 一般 7

What does the number mean?

Thanks.

Regards,
Victor Cai


locked trying to find my gmail account in the webbie browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just tried to sign in to my gmail account using the webbie browser but am having a problem. If any of you use it, what do you do?

 

Thanks four your help in advance.

 

Rosemarie

 

 


Re: Online Audio Player

Ralph Boersema
 

This sounds good. I’ll check it out. Much appreciated!

 

Ralph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 3:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Online Audio Player

 

Hi all,

Thank you for this web site. I just played a audio book, I used IE, and I had a choice to open or save the book. I chose open, and it opened up in the VLC Media player instead of playing in the browser. Thanks for the site.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 10:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Online Audio Player

 

As it turns out, you can move around.  When the file starts to play, go into focus mode with NVDA key space bar and then use the left arrow key to move back and the right arrow key to move forward.  Also, you may use the space bar to pause or resume play.  You don't have to move to the buttons or the slider.  You may use these commands after you switch to focus mode without looking for controls or moving anywhere.

 

Also, my instructions for saving the file that is playing will work with Firefox.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 7:21 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Online Audio Player

 

Since the link you sent appears to be to an mp3 file that streams from the site, I doubt you can move around.  I'll test it later and write again.  But since the link is to an mp3 file, you may be able to save the book and read it off site in the player you wish.

 

Try the following:

Once the book starts to be read, use the command control s.  If a save dialog comes up, save the file.  then try playing it on your computer. 

Newer versions of browsers are often designed to play mp3 files in the browser but they may allow you to save the actual file in this way.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 6:36 AM

Subject: [nvda] Online Audio Player

 

Hi folks,

Maybe someone can help me with the following:

Using Windows 10 and Mozilla Firefox, I am reading an audio online book at http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes/mp3. In the table, I click on one of the files and a player comes up and reads the audio. I imagine the player is embedded in the site, but I don't know that for sure, nor whether it behaves differently with different browsers. I am just wondering if there is a way for me to use NVDA to easily go back and forth in the slider in order to start listening at different points, rather than only from the beginning or the middle.

Regards,
Ralph


 


Re: Adobe Connect? Has anyone successfully used this?

Kevin Chao
 

I have and Adobe Connect works fine with NVDA


On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 5:07 PM Governor staten <govsta@...> wrote:
I can say that I have. The software works brilliantly with NVDA. It's
been almost a year since I last used it. I imagine that it has gotten
better, not worse.


I believe that they use Flash. But, if you download the client,
everything should work just fine.




On 12/20/2016 6:30 PM, Douglas Lawlor wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> I am applying for a job and they require the use of Adobe Connect. Has anyone successfully used this with NVDA?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Doug
>
>
> Douglas Lawlor
> Email: douglawlor@...
>
>
>
>