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Re: support for Optelec Convertbox

 

Hi,
First, you might want to ask VFO if this is even possible, and create a
ticket so developers can track this issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Alexander Masic
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 8:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] support for Optelec Convertbox

Hi.

I would like to see support for Optelecs konvertbox. A box wich convert
brailledisplays like e.g braille voyager to newer protokols like Alva, and
make it possible to use voyager on a newer computers. Because there are
already support for Alva in NVDA, then i gues this is a peace of cake to
modify it, so that even suport this converter.

Or is it better to create a ticket about this?


Alexander


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Gene
 

I'm sorry but that is not my understanding of the list rules of all lists I've been on.  Please take this up with the owner.  I have never acted like a god nor have I refused to answer criticisms or comments made of decisions I've made.  It has always been my understanding that the owner owns the list.  The list, any list, is not a democracy.  I've seen many instances where a matter of concern to the list has been allowed to be discussed because the owner has permitted it.  But I'm telling you that my understanding has been for all the years I've been on lists, been that in general, discussions about decisions made by the owner and moderator should be discussed off list. 
 
If you want to discuss this with the owner, fine.  I will be guided by his decision.  If you want to back up your claim with some authorities who support it, fine.  Until I get direction that is contrary to what I've seen and read for over twenty years of being on various lists, I shall carry out list policies as I understand them.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 08:29 am, Gene wrote:
I would point out that it is not appropriate to discuss administrative matters on list.

Er, no.  Not when the discussion is not personal, as in about the person, but about the methods.  Communities have every right to discuss moderation style and policy in public and whether or not they're happy with it or not.

Moderators are not gods nor immune from public discussion.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: Off Topic. Laptop suggestion

 

Robert,

          You are far more likely to get an open and lively discussion of this query if you make it on either the Blindtech (send an e-mail to  blindtech+help@groups.io for subscription and other details) or BlindLife (BlindLife+help@groups.io), where it would be fully on-topic.

          I get why the NVDA, JAWS, and Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users groups want to keep their focus a bit narrower and that's why venues such as the two mentioned exist for broader conversation.

--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

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Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

i totally agree brian, can you write to me off list, i want to clear the air about somethings, thanks.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer


On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 08:29 am, Gene wrote:


I would point out that it is not appropriate to discuss administrative
matters on list.
Er, no. Not when the discussion is not personal, as in about the person, but about the methods. Communities have every right to discuss moderation style and policy in public and whether or not they're happy with it or not.

Moderators are not gods nor immune from public discussion.
--
*Brian*

* Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from * *insufficient premises.*

* ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902*


locked Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

 

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 08:29 am, Gene wrote:
I would point out that it is not appropriate to discuss administrative matters on list.

Er, no.  Not when the discussion is not personal, as in about the person, but about the methods.  Communities have every right to discuss moderation style and policy in public and whether or not they're happy with it or not.

Moderators are not gods nor immune from public discussion.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



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Gene
 

As a moderator, I would point out that it is not appropriate to discuss administrative matters on list.  For many hours, a number of members have discussed various aspects of my moderation of the current thread and related matters on list.  A question or two is one thing.  Extended discussion is another.  Please use the contact the owner address which is given as a footer in each message.  I see all messages addressed to the list owner because I am a moderator.
 
gene
 


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Gene
 

I consider blocking a thread in many cases without giving members the opportunity to stop on their own to be punative in tone.  unless a thread is really inappropriate, not just going on too long, I wish to give people the opportunity to do the right thing.  You and I have some basic disagreements about list management which we have discussed off list before.  We are not going to agree.  if you want a ruling that directs me to handle such matters differently, contacting the owner might or might not bring you the results you want.  I have no objection to you discussing such matters with the owner.
 
The reasons I use admin. in subject lines and break threads is the following:
Most people don't use archives.  I want to indicate clearly when I am speaking as an administrator and not as a list member expressing an opinion.  Using Admin. makes that distinction clear.  Since I rarely moderate the list, many members may not know that I am a moderator since new members are added over time. 
 
If archives were used more, concern for changing the subject line to indicate an administrative message might be of more concern.  I doubt that most list members ever consult the archives unless something happens to come up in a search engine set of results.  Then they might look at the results in the archive.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

Gene,

             I keep telling you:

  1. This sort of announcement should be made on the very thread you wish to shut down, not separately.  This is the conventional method dating back, well, forever.  
  2. The thread should simply be locked after the announcement.

If a thread is locked any further attempts to post to it will result in the e-mail message being bounced back to its originator.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



support for Optelec Convertbox

Alexander Masic
 

Hi.

I would like to see support for Optelecs konvertbox. A box wich convert brailledisplays like e.g braille voyager to newer protokols like Alva, and make it possible to use voyager on a newer computers. Because there are already support for Alva in NVDA, then i gues this is a peace of cake to modify it, so that even suport this converter.

Or is it better to create a ticket about this?


Alexander


Off Topic. Laptop suggestion

 

I am doing some Christmas shopping for myself so can anyone suggest a 1TB hard drive with bluetooth? I really like Toshiba but I am open to suggestions. also, the keyboard! If it has keys that don't require hard pressing, shoot it my way. I am a writer and blogger, so yeah! thanks in advance. Oh, and I would like windows 10 if at all possible.



locked Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

Michael Capelle <mcapelle@...>
 

also, just lock the topic, job done.
 

Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer
 

Gene,

             I keep telling you:

  1. This sort of announcement should be made on the very thread you wish to shut down, not separately.  This is the conventional method dating back, well, forever.  
  2. The thread should simply be locked after the announcement.

If a thread is locked any further attempts to post to it will result in the e-mail message being bounced back to its originator.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

   

 


locked Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

 

Gene,

             I keep telling you:

  1. This sort of announcement should be made on the very thread you wish to shut down, not separately.  This is the conventional method dating back, well, forever.  
  2. The thread should simply be locked after the announcement.

If a thread is locked any further attempts to post to it will result in the e-mail message being bounced back to its originator.
--
Brian

 Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.

         ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902

    



Re: monkeys audio

Casey <cwollner@...>
 

hi what file format is the disk in that you down loaded?
Could you post it on send space cause I would like to see what it sounds like thank you and have A nice day.


--
Casey


Re: Someone got access to my computer

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I know it's tough for people that aren't native english speakers, but the most definite sign that these emails are a scam is the fact that their english is terrible. Leaving out pronouns, skipping conjunctions, and using wrong verb tenses. It's so terrible, it usually makes me laugh, and wonder why anybody falls for it, but then realize that they're not as recognizable to folks who are not native english speakers. No, anytime you get an email claiming you won the lottery, inherited some money, need to pick up a package, or need to provide banking information because your account needs to be checked for verification, you can almost guarantee it's a scam, and you should delete the email without bothering to open any attachments, or (if possible) delete without even opening the email, because sometimes, the viruses are attached to code that will run even if you open the email in some cases. Never open attached files (even if they claim to be pdf files), because it's those attachments that usually have the virus in them. A horse rescue we know nearby got hit with the bitlocker ransomware, because they did receive an invoice from someone they were expecting an invoice from, only it turns out the email didn't come from those folks, nor was it the invoice they were waiting for, and they lost everything on their computer. because of the encryption the bit locker put on their machine. Not nice stuff. If you have any doubt whatsoever, just delete the email, and move on. If it's a real thing you need, the folks sending it will let you know, and you can ask for it to be sent again. It's a lot safer than having your whole machine blow up because you accepted something you shouldn't.

On 12/17/2016 12:02 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i recieved an email that said i am from microsoft and we want to give
you present.
you became winner in our daily celebration.
and the authors name is nicholas!
is it a scam?
is it possible to access my computer?
he sent for me one pdf attachment, but i did not open it.
thanks for your help!


Re: monkeys audio

mk360
 

Hi,


You can use the converter of monkeys audio, CDex, traders little helper... but note that converting your music to ape will not change the quality because it depends of the source that you are using. So, for example, if you encode a CD to the ape format, the result will be a file with lossless quality, but if you have a mp3 at 320 kbps, the result of the conversion will be a much bigger file, but a bigger lossy file.


Regards,

mk.

El 17/12/2016 a las 7:54, Георги Ламбов escribió:
Hi group!
I'm looking for conversion software for monkeys audio. I'me downloaded the discography of Survivor at this file-format and it sounds wonderful. So, I'd like to convert all of my music-files at this format. I appreciate any help!
Georgi




locked Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

Gene
 

I will lock it if it doesn't stop.  I realize that people don't know about my stop request immediately.  I try to treat people with respect and give them the chance to do the right thing.  but if they don't, the topic will be locked.
 
Genee

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 5:30 AM
Subject: Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

I don't understand, why not just close the topic as an admin?



Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

Quentin Christensen
 

Nasrin,

Thank you kindly for your continued blessings!

Regarding the issues you have logged, we are aware that issues are being logged faster than we have been able to resolve them, and we apologise for that.  A few months ago, a new team member, Reef, came on board, who is doing fabulous work triaging and resolving many issues and we are hopeful that from his work, you will see many improvements.  Indeed, his input, along with Mick and Jamie, has already seen many improvements in 2016.4.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 8:22 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
my only screen reader is nvda.
this version is very great, but still my reported bugs in github are
still persist.
i sincerely pray for you the team and wish the divine extreme mercy
and blessings.
specially, today which is the birthday of prophet mohammad and imam
sadeq (peace be upon them)
they are mercy for all entire mankind.
and i appreciate you because you published this version in such auspicious day.
your reward with Allah, quentin, joseph and all nvda team members!

On 12/17/16, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I updated to NVDA 2016.4 without a problem as well. I notice that it is
> snappier in mail, MS word, and the news app for win10. Great job, and NVDA
> is getting to be the screen reader that I use a little more than JAWS now,
> because of the mouse pointer movement capabilities and being to route the
> pointer to the review cursor. I use that a lot to click on things that enter
> will not activate with JAWS. Thanks a lot, all of you.
> David Moore
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
>
> From: Nevzat Adil
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:33 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr
>
> I upgraded with no problem. Looks like NVDA has been greatly improved
> thanks to the hard work of the developers.
> My expectation was that there would be input table for UEB.
> In what's new it says:
>
> • Updated liblouis braille translator to 3.0.0. This includes
> significant enhancements to Unified English Braille. (
>
> I have no idea wath improvements were made as it is a very obscure
> statement.
> Well, I'll keep my fingers crossed for the next release.
> Although my main screen reader is NVDA, I still use JAWS as a backup
> because of UEB output and input tables.
> Keep up the good work.
> Nevzat Adil
>
>
> On 12/16/16, brian <sackriderbrian45@...> wrote:
>>          For those of you who are concerned about your upgrade to the
>> full version if you have a release candidate you will get the full
>> version.  I had rc 2 and just now I checked for updates and it told me
>> that an update was available so I downloaded and installed it.  This
>> should reassure people about this issue thats why I have never
>> downloaded any rc candidates before now.  I was not sure if I would get
>> the full version but I did.
>>
>> Brian Sackrider
>>
>>
>> On 12/15/2016 8:31 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> If you are using Windows 10, I strongly recommend upgrading to 2016.4.
>>> Thank you Quentin and other NV Access staff, fellow users and
>>> developers for making this possible and providing us (the community)
>>> with something to celebrate as we close NVDA’s tenth anniversary
>>> celebrations.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Joseph
>>>
>>> *From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] *On Behalf Of
>>> *Quentin Christensen
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 15, 2016 5:26 PM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>> *Subject:* [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> NVDA 2016.4 Now Available
>>>
>>> NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2016.4 of NVDA, the free
>>> screen reader for Microsoft Windows, has now been released.
>>>
>>> Highlights of this release include improved support for Microsoft
>>> Edge; browse mode in the Windows 10 Mail app; and significant
>>> improvements to NVDA’s dialogs.
>>>
>>> See the full release announcement and download link for #nvdasr 2016.4
>>> at: http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4-now-available/
>>> <http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Fpost%2Fnvda-2016-4-now-available%2F&h=QAQEFYvVwAQEgvZeQY9NX5kAYJ8X98Z6ZBXHfRkFOiX-BnA&enc=AZP2-ASs3Us4H4VLyIVukfll1eAFodxp1wsttuyefcfhBhml_MUwh8Q2IysLjDG-ocYl6s0H9UOk6pu7ByhyJ9QxagLqZDfkwxAm8jp12hI5GqkIFRn8GBxPDzvwU8VbvEha2sjRVDd5ShzT3p8aNWjsbq2HHgtzxHGsBgz9Mo7igaf7zGjwfGl4w9AUvlzOUQ3-I70S-AVidKJWtzvt1QPR&s=1>
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Quentin.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training Material Developer
>>>
>>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
>>>
>>> Direct: +61 413 904 383
>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>


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in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
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--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

Quentin Christensen
 

Nasrin,

Thank you kindly for your prayers and thoughts, your support means a lot to us, and yes, I have passed on your good will to the team and we wish you every happiness and blessing also.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 11:14 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
quentin,
may i ask something?
send my regard and best wishes to your team also and say that i pray
for you and your team in my five times daily obligatory praying
specially in recitation of chapter hamd from the holy Quran and qunoot
of my praying.

On 12/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
> No indeed and I tend to get mine not from the actual rc produced for the
> masses but from the snapshots page.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal email to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr
>
>
> and you could have been using it for a few weeks now as the rc (release
> candidate) is always the nearly final version, and not much, if anything
> changes between the rc and the final. No need to be afraid of rc versions.
> They don't bite.
> Travis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Supanut Leepaisomboon
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr
>
>
> Finally! I've been waiting for months for this release!
>
>
>
>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


locked Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

Antony Stone
 

So, what happens when someone then replies to a closed thread? Does the email
get rejected / discarded and not appear on the list? Sounds like a useful
feature if so.

Antony.

On Saturday 17 December 2016 at 12:41:09, Robert Kingett wrote:

You can do this on groups,io. You can also specify that tagged threads
are automatically closed.
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1. Things which need to be fixed.
2. Things which need to be fixed once you've had a few minutes to play with
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Please reply to the list;
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locked Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

 

You can do this on groups,io. You can also specify that tagged threads are automatically closed.


locked Re: Admin. It's time to close the thread Was, Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

Antony Stone
 

How would you "close a topic" on a mailing list other than just telling people
to stop replying to the thread?


Antony.

On Saturday 17 December 2016 at 12:30:00, Robert Kingett wrote:

I don't understand, why not just close the topic as an admin?
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