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Re: Someone got access to my computer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Mat,

 

I gave David the number for the microsoft disability line too. Hopefully this problem can be solved.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

 

Hi, here you go.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/accessibility/disability-answer-desk


On 12/16/2016 6:42 PM, Arlene wrote:

That sounds like a scam! Microsoft doesn’t call you not unless you call them.  if you have a friend you trust and is computer sabby let him have at it.  I hope someone gives you the disability access to Microsoft. If you and your wife know someone who wont charge you they can look at it. Fix it so he can’t get in. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: December-16-16 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

 

Hi guys,

I will give you a quick over view and ask some very important questions. Here it is:

Well, I typed in a web site, and my small laptop started talking in a different voice saying to call a number from Microsoft before turning off my computer. It gave a number that sounded a lot like microsoft. I called and my wife let them have access, to my computer by typing in a number and other info. and he would not say what company he was from, but he said he was a third party working with Microsoft. He began drawing lines on my screen, and told my wife that I had to pay money to clean my computer from this virus. My wife told him that she was calling the police, and he hung up. However, he was still connected to my computer. I did a quick scan with Windows defender, and it said that I have no problems. I clicked off of all of what he had on the screen. Can he get back into my computer at any time? Could there be a virus still on my computer? What is the number to Microsoft accessability? I called a Microsoft number, and they said they were the geek squad and I would have to pay for them to do anything, but yet he said it was Microsoft. What should I do now?

Take care, guys, I am still shaken up. I would had just blown it off, but the message that came up said Microsoft, and it was one number off from a Microsoft sales number.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

 


Re: Someone got access to my computer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

This sounds like a scam. Here's the number for the microsoft disability line. It's

 

(800) 936-5900.

 

Please keep us posted on what happens.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

 

Hi guys,

I will give you a quick over view and ask some very important questions. Here it is:

Well, I typed in a web site, and my small laptop started talking in a different voice saying to call a number from Microsoft before turning off my computer. It gave a number that sounded a lot like microsoft. I called and my wife let them have access, to my computer by typing in a number and other info. and he would not say what company he was from, but he said he was a third party working with Microsoft. He began drawing lines on my screen, and told my wife that I had to pay money to clean my computer from this virus. My wife told him that she was calling the police, and he hung up. However, he was still connected to my computer. I did a quick scan with Windows defender, and it said that I have no problems. I clicked off of all of what he had on the screen. Can he get back into my computer at any time? Could there be a virus still on my computer? What is the number to Microsoft accessability? I called a Microsoft number, and they said they were the geek squad and I would have to pay for them to do anything, but yet he said it was Microsoft. What should I do now?

Take care, guys, I am still shaken up. I would had just blown it off, but the message that came up said Microsoft, and it was one number off from a Microsoft sales number.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Someone got access to my computer

Kenny Peyattt jr.
 

That is not good. Sounds like I would call the police because the computer could probbally have a virus on it. Or you can always call the Microsoft disability desk.

Kenny Peyatt jr.

 

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Re: anti virus suggestion?

Arlene
 

Oh okay, Just know she’ll get windows updates for 7 until 2020  If her computer can last that long. If it dies before then. Then she’ll be forced to get ten or whatever Microsoft puts out.  By then ten will be on the verge of being kicked out the door. You know how Microsoft updates too fast.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: December-16-16 2:59 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] anti virus suggestion?

 

yes she already has a windows 7 computer.

 

On 12/16/2016 4:40 PM, Arlene wrote:

Hi Robert! Arlene here. If you go to any shop like Best Buy. You will not get windows 7 anymore.  They are all windows ten.  If your friend wants 7. He she will have to go to a blind program and find a refurbished 7 system.  You will get windows 7 support until 2020 Does your friend have a 7 computer?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: December-16-16 3:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] anti virus suggestion?
 
so my friend is a trojan horse manet and an adware magnet. when I could see some I had avast on her computer. she is very low tech so had no idea about changing the avast settings and making boot time scans, ETC, so now that I am totally blind is there an antivirus program anyone could suggest that is fully accessible with NVDA? she also says she will not upgrade to windows 10 because change bad! :) any suggestions for windows 7?
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


Re: Someone got access to my computer

Matt Turner
 

On 12/16/2016 6:42 PM, Arlene wrote:

That sounds like a scam! Microsoft doesn’t call you not unless you call them.  if you have a friend you trust and is computer sabby let him have at it.  I hope someone gives you the disability access to Microsoft. If you and your wife know someone who wont charge you they can look at it. Fix it so he can’t get in. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: December-16-16 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

 

Hi guys,

I will give you a quick over view and ask some very important questions. Here it is:

Well, I typed in a web site, and my small laptop started talking in a different voice saying to call a number from Microsoft before turning off my computer. It gave a number that sounded a lot like microsoft. I called and my wife let them have access, to my computer by typing in a number and other info. and he would not say what company he was from, but he said he was a third party working with Microsoft. He began drawing lines on my screen, and told my wife that I had to pay money to clean my computer from this virus. My wife told him that she was calling the police, and he hung up. However, he was still connected to my computer. I did a quick scan with Windows defender, and it said that I have no problems. I clicked off of all of what he had on the screen. Can he get back into my computer at any time? Could there be a virus still on my computer? What is the number to Microsoft accessability? I called a Microsoft number, and they said they were the geek squad and I would have to pay for them to do anything, but yet he said it was Microsoft. What should I do now?

Take care, guys, I am still shaken up. I would had just blown it off, but the message that came up said Microsoft, and it was one number off from a Microsoft sales number.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



NVDA and iTunes - Editing Information

David Griffith
 

I don’t know if this by design but in general NVDA is I find, the best screen reader by a long way for using with iTunes on a PC. It leaves Jaws for dead in many areas and actually makes iTunes quite usable with Songs view and column browser set as the view.

Unlike Jaws NVDA can read the lists of Artists albums and songs in column view without difficulty and also respond well with commands like fast forward and rewind which Jaws absurdly interprets as a command to move in a table.

 

There is one main area where Jaws currently works better than NVDA and that is when you want to edit artist and track information.

 

So for example  I had a duplicate Artist entry in my iTunes library because I had inadvertently allowed a space to  be placed at the end of an Artist name in the tag information before importing into my iTunes library. Because of this iTunes unhelpfully treats this as two different artists.

 

It should be easy to rectify this in iTunes by simply pressing control I for information on the artist name that you want to edit  and iTunes will open up a information dialogue which is a bit like a tag editor.

 

Using NVDA I am able to tab nicely to all the relevant information fields but NVDA crucially then fails to read any of the text which is provided ready for editing in the edit boxes. What I should be able to do is tab to the edit box in iTunes and then get feedback so that you can edit the text. Jaws can currently do this  but as it is useless in the rest of iTunes it would be good if it would be possible to crack this bit of iTunes so that support is more complete from NVDA.

 

David Griffith

 

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Re: Someone got access to my computer

Arlene
 

That sounds like a scam! Microsoft doesn’t call you not unless you call them.  if you have a friend you trust and is computer sabby let him have at it.  I hope someone gives you the disability access to Microsoft. If you and your wife know someone who wont charge you they can look at it. Fix it so he can’t get in. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: December-16-16 3:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Someone got access to my computer

 

Hi guys,

I will give you a quick over view and ask some very important questions. Here it is:

Well, I typed in a web site, and my small laptop started talking in a different voice saying to call a number from Microsoft before turning off my computer. It gave a number that sounded a lot like microsoft. I called and my wife let them have access, to my computer by typing in a number and other info. and he would not say what company he was from, but he said he was a third party working with Microsoft. He began drawing lines on my screen, and told my wife that I had to pay money to clean my computer from this virus. My wife told him that she was calling the police, and he hung up. However, he was still connected to my computer. I did a quick scan with Windows defender, and it said that I have no problems. I clicked off of all of what he had on the screen. Can he get back into my computer at any time? Could there be a virus still on my computer? What is the number to Microsoft accessability? I called a Microsoft number, and they said they were the geek squad and I would have to pay for them to do anything, but yet he said it was Microsoft. What should I do now?

Take care, guys, I am still shaken up. I would had just blown it off, but the message that came up said Microsoft, and it was one number off from a Microsoft sales number.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Someone got access to my computer

David Moore
 

Hi guys,

I will give you a quick over view and ask some very important questions. Here it is:

Well, I typed in a web site, and my small laptop started talking in a different voice saying to call a number from Microsoft before turning off my computer. It gave a number that sounded a lot like microsoft. I called and my wife let them have access, to my computer by typing in a number and other info. and he would not say what company he was from, but he said he was a third party working with Microsoft. He began drawing lines on my screen, and told my wife that I had to pay money to clean my computer from this virus. My wife told him that she was calling the police, and he hung up. However, he was still connected to my computer. I did a quick scan with Windows defender, and it said that I have no problems. I clicked off of all of what he had on the screen. Can he get back into my computer at any time? Could there be a virus still on my computer? What is the number to Microsoft accessability? I called a Microsoft number, and they said they were the geek squad and I would have to pay for them to do anything, but yet he said it was Microsoft. What should I do now?

Take care, guys, I am still shaken up. I would had just blown it off, but the message that came up said Microsoft, and it was one number off from a Microsoft sales number.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: anti virus suggestion?

 

yes she already has a windows 7 computer.


On 12/16/2016 4:40 PM, Arlene wrote:
Hi Robert! Arlene here. If you go to any shop like Best Buy. You will not get windows 7 anymore.  They are all windows ten.  If your friend wants 7. He she will have to go to a blind program and find a refurbished 7 system.  You will get windows 7 support until 2020 Does your friend have a 7 computer?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: December-16-16 3:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] anti virus suggestion?

so my friend is a trojan horse manet and an adware magnet. when I could see some I had avast on her computer. she is very low tech so had no idea about changing the avast settings and making boot time scans, ETC, so now that I am totally blind is there an antivirus program anyone could suggest that is fully accessible with NVDA? she also says she will not upgrade to windows 10 because change bad! :) any suggestions for windows 7?








Re: anti virus suggestion?

Arlene
 

Hi Robert! Arlene here. If you go to any shop like Best Buy. You will not get windows 7 anymore. They are all windows ten. If your friend wants 7. He she will have to go to a blind program and find a refurbished 7 system. You will get windows 7 support until 2020 Does your friend have a 7 computer?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: December-16-16 3:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] anti virus suggestion?

so my friend is a trojan horse manet and an adware magnet. when I could see some I had avast on her computer. she is very low tech so had no idea about changing the avast settings and making boot time scans, ETC, so now that I am totally blind is there an antivirus program anyone could suggest that is fully accessible with NVDA? she also says she will not upgrade to windows 10 because change bad! :) any suggestions for windows 7?


Re: Donating During Update

Arlene
 

So did I. I turned it off.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: December-16-16 12:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donating During Update

 

Hi, Gene NZ and Gene,

 

I agree with both of you. I don't understand why screen layout is on by default. I've had to turn it off in certain situations too.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

On 12/16/2016 12:03 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

I totally agree with you Gene.

 

I am always telling people to turn it off if certain things happen like text on one line and the link on the other if i remember right.


Gene nz

On 17/12/2016 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:

I just checked further.  If you use the letter r, each item will be read individually.  If you up and down arrow, the entire list of donations will be read from where you are to the end every time you down arrow.  This, obviously should be changed.  So the page can be significantly improved in that way.  The reason I didn't hafve this problem is because I had use screen layout if supported turned off in my NVDA.  If this is the setting used, down arrowing works properly.  Just one more reason to have this setting off by default.  My recollection is that is on by default.  That's a really bad default setting.  New or inexperienced users won't even know such a setting exists. 

 

It might still be worth considering having a page explaining the use of radio buttons, as I suggested in a previous message.  But new or unknowledgeable users should have the most web pages presented in the most useable manner and that is to have use screen layout if supported off by default.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:42 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Donating During Update

 

Thanks for raising this, I'll look into it.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin

 

On 16 Dec. 2016 10:09 pm, "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:

Yes this has been a bit odd for some time. Somebody told me that you can sort it a bit by changing the way the page is shown to you in one of the settings, but I forgot which one now.
You should be ok if you are careful as you cannot spend anything until the end in any case.
I'll be doing mine when I get a quiet period, indeed I was never asked at update time so I'll need to do it via the menu in any case.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donating During Update


I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an simplified.

On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options   unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are initially read out as a single strihng  which is a little overwhelming and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.
To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.
It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.
More importantly on a couple of occasion  this has meant I have checked the wrong amount when trying to donate  and again on my system once a check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.

This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I genuinely wanted to donate.

The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor down and hear each donation option as a separate option  with a clear safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page read out.
My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.
Just a suggestions.

David Griffith

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Re: Donating During Update

 

I agree! screen layout should be turned off by default in future versions


Re: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd processors

Mike Sedmak
 

AMD processors have had SSE2 support for more than 10 years.

Unfortunately the x86 instruction set does not stand still. And if
developers want to get the performance advantages offered by the new
instructions they have two choices:
1. Add complexity to their code and check feature bits to see which
extensions are supported on your machine. Then have separate code
for the supported legacy combinations.
2. Drop support for older CPUs from both AMD and Intel to reduce the
number of copies of the code routines they have to maintain.

Also note, that some of the code which is not backwards compatible
might come from libraries that the end developer does not own
themselves.

Mike

On 12/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes I notice this. The other issues that I was on about with ref to older
amd processors are those early Athlon/Sempron ones that had 3D Now! code
instead of SSE 2. Some software supported this, but most did not, falling
back to inefficient older ways as has apparently happened in some recent
windows updates, which has caused the single core old amds to effectively
run at full whack and have no time to actually do any computing!
Turn of automatic updates and the routines Microsoft now seem to use get
switched off until you are sure there are updates to be downloaded, then go

off and have a holiday while they install.
Pritty soon those machinenes mostly running xp and Vista, will be unusable

in any case, but I still think there will be a smattering of oddball dead
end chips around that will only show their true colours on some software.
Maybe there should be ahome for retired old processors!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda]

A word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd

processors


Hi,
The following is a bit technical, so please bear with me for a second:
Almost two decades ago, many microprocessor manufacturers noted that the
32-bit 4 GB limit would be reached within a few years, hence development
of
64-bit processors began. Intel and AMD took two different routes: Intel
came
up with a completely different 64-bit architecture than that of Pentium,
while AMD extended Pentium's language and made it work with 64-bit data.
Eventually, Intel adopted AMD's approach, hence you'll find that even for
Intel processors, the architecture name is AMD64 (technically called
x86-64). Modern 64-bit processors from Intel and AMD can run 32-bit
software
such as NVDA because they can understand 32-bit instructions natively in
hardware, and Windows and other operating systems have mechanisms to
allow
32-bit software to run under 64-bit operating systems (I'll describe this
process from start to finish upon request).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. To Derek and other devs: at some point, we should explain what WoW64
is.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Travis
Siegel
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A
word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd
processors

Perhaps companies don't support it, but they should. I have an intel
processor, but it uses the amd command set. In fact, if I do a system
info,
it tells me intel processor, (with all it's various version information),
then tells me amd-64, then returns to intel for processor type and so on.
It's very odd, but I have discovered that intel 64-bit programs don't
work
on this machine, only amd-64 apps work (go figure)

This is an all in one computer, so it's likely using one of the intel
laptop
processors that have the power saving features of a laptop, but
apparently,
these cpus are also using amd commands for their command sets. <shrug>



On 12/15/2016 6:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I noticed yesterday on an old XP Athlon machine, the chip with no sse
2, that after a latest xp security update which is enabled on that
machine, the processor usage was 99 percent. trying this on a second
machine running a sempron resulted in the same issue, but not on the
old Pentium Intel chipped machines.
The thing is it seems to have altered the way the software looks for
and downloads windows updates, so to stop this problem you need to
turn off automatic updates. This can be quite a challenge with about 1
percent processor still working when nvda tends to need 143 percent,
but after doing this and rebooting all is sweetness and light again. I
only put this on here as I know a lot of folk in some of the poorer
countries out there still use xp machines with the get updates hack on
them, and wanted to help.
I'll shut up about it now, as in fact its off topic.
I imagine Microsoft never bother to test it on this processor as so
many companies now do not support it, like dropbox or firefox to name
but two.


Brian

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Re: NVDA and icloud.com

Chris
 

 

As long as the icloud app has been installed on your pc and the check box in the app has been checked and you are logged in it work and the files should be in the icloud drive folder in your user profile

 

 


Re: Donating During Update

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Gene NZ and Gene,


I agree with both of you. I don't understand why screen layout is on by default. I've had to turn it off in certain situations too.


Rosemarie




On 12/16/2016 12:03 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

I totally agree with you Gene.


I am always telling people to turn it off if certain things happen like text on one line and the link on the other if i remember right.


Gene nz

On 17/12/2016 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
I just checked further.  If you use the letter r, each item will be read individually.  If you up and down arrow, the entire list of donations will be read from where you are to the end every time you down arrow.  This, obviously should be changed.  So the page can be significantly improved in that way.  The reason I didn't hafve this problem is because I had use screen layout if supported turned off in my NVDA.  If this is the setting used, down arrowing works properly.  Just one more reason to have this setting off by default.  My recollection is that is on by default.  That's a really bad default setting.  New or inexperienced users won't even know such a setting exists. 
 
It might still be worth considering having a page explaining the use of radio buttons, as I suggested in a previous message.  But new or unknowledgeable users should have the most web pages presented in the most useable manner and that is to have use screen layout if supported off by default.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donating During Update

Thanks for raising this, I'll look into it.

Kind regards

Quentin

On 16 Dec. 2016 10:09 pm, "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes this has been a bit odd for some time. Somebody told me that you can sort it a bit by changing the way the page is shown to you in one of the settings, but I forgot which one now.
You should be ok if you are careful as you cannot spend anything until the end in any case.
I'll be doing mine when I get a quiet period, indeed I was never asked at update time so I'll need to do it via the menu in any case.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donating During Update


I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an simplified.

On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options   unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are initially read out as a single strihng  which is a little overwhelming and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.
To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.
It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.
More importantly on a couple of occasion  this has meant I have checked the wrong amount when trying to donate  and again on my system once a check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.

This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I genuinely wanted to donate.

The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor down and hear each donation option as a separate option  with a clear safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page read out.
My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.
Just a suggestions.

David Griffith

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Re: Donating During Update

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

I totally agree with you Gene.


I am always telling people to turn it off if certain things happen like text on one line and the link on the other if i remember right.


Gene nz

On 17/12/2016 3:01 AM, Gene wrote:
I just checked further.  If you use the letter r, each item will be read individually.  If you up and down arrow, the entire list of donations will be read from where you are to the end every time you down arrow.  This, obviously should be changed.  So the page can be significantly improved in that way.  The reason I didn't hafve this problem is because I had use screen layout if supported turned off in my NVDA.  If this is the setting used, down arrowing works properly.  Just one more reason to have this setting off by default.  My recollection is that is on by default.  That's a really bad default setting.  New or inexperienced users won't even know such a setting exists. 
 
It might still be worth considering having a page explaining the use of radio buttons, as I suggested in a previous message.  But new or unknowledgeable users should have the most web pages presented in the most useable manner and that is to have use screen layout if supported off by default.
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donating During Update

Thanks for raising this, I'll look into it.

Kind regards

Quentin

On 16 Dec. 2016 10:09 pm, "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes this has been a bit odd for some time. Somebody told me that you can sort it a bit by changing the way the page is shown to you in one of the settings, but I forgot which one now.
You should be ok if you are careful as you cannot spend anything until the end in any case.
I'll be doing mine when I get a quiet period, indeed I was never asked at update time so I'll need to do it via the menu in any case.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donating During Update


I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an simplified.

On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options   unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are initially read out as a single strihng  which is a little overwhelming and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.
To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.
It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.
More importantly on a couple of occasion  this has meant I have checked the wrong amount when trying to donate  and again on my system once a check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.

This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I genuinely wanted to donate.

The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor down and hear each donation option as a separate option  with a clear safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page read out.
My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.
Just a suggestions.

David Griffith

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Re: NVDA and icloud.com

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Chris,

 

Both are enabled but the notes aare not present even though they do show on the web site even though I cannot see them.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and icloud.com

 

If I cloud drive is enabled on your phone then is should sync without you doing anything

just make sure icloud drive is enabled in the icloud setting on your pc  which can be found in your start menu

And of course in your icloud settings in your phone

 

 


Re: How to burn a disk in Windows 10

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16 Aralık 2016 03:58:02 GMT+02:00, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> yazdı:

Well they are mp3 books, you can't exactly burn the daisy book just like 
that, but if you create them on the disk drive with all their data
structures, then you can just burn them a way that you burn a data disk.



On 16/12/2016 11:55 a.m., Albert Ruel wrote:
Someone recommended AnyBurn to me and I've used it successfully. I've not been able to burn DAISY books with it though, so they become MP3 books instead.

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Subject: [nvda] How to burn a disk in Windows 10

Maybe this question has already been answared.


When I wanted to burn a cd disk with my cd-burner it doesn't seem to work with Windows 10. What is the most accessible method to create a music cd?


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Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

 

Hi all,
A temporary mirror is now available (to be taken down on December 18, 2016
at 23:59 Pacific (UTC-8):
http://www.josephsl.net/files/nvda_2016.4.exe
You should use the mirror if you are using NVDA 2016.3 and encounter issues
when checking for updates, otherwise, please use the regular update method.
I also recommend that, when using this mirror, please donate to NV Access.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
Try with log level set to input/output.
This delivered the goods - see the exerpt from the log below.

DEBUGWARNING - updateCheck.UpdateDownloader._bg (13:17:20):
Error downloading
https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2016.4/nvda_2016.4.exe?updat
e=1
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "updateCheck.pyo", line 304, in _bg
File "updateCheck.pyo", line 326, in _download
RuntimeError: Download failed with code 503
DEBUGWARNING - WX Widgets (13:17:20):
..\..\src\common\timerimpl.cpp, line 60:
assert wxThread::IsMain(): timer can only be started from the main
thread
Stack trace:
File "threading.pyo", line 774, in __bootstrap
File "threading.pyo", line 801, in __bootstrap_inner
File "threading.pyo", line 754, in run
File "updateCheck.pyo", line 313, in _bg
File "updateCheck.pyo", line 295, in _guiExec
File "wx\_misc.pyo", line 1324, in Start
File "core.pyo", line 213, in OnAssert
IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (13:17:20):
Braille regions text: [u'OK btn']


Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

 

Hi,
I see (503 means service is temporarily unavailable). I'll host a mirror for
the next seven days on my website.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jason
White via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 10:23 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

Joseph Lee <@joslee> wrote:
Hi,
Try with log level set to input/output.
This delivered the goods - see the exerpt from the log below.

DEBUGWARNING - updateCheck.UpdateDownloader._bg (13:17:20):
Error downloading
https://www.nvaccess.org/download/nvda/releases/2016.4/nvda_2016.4.exe?updat
e=1
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "updateCheck.pyo", line 304, in _bg
File "updateCheck.pyo", line 326, in _download
RuntimeError: Download failed with code 503
DEBUGWARNING - WX Widgets (13:17:20):
..\..\src\common\timerimpl.cpp, line 60:
assert wxThread::IsMain(): timer can only be started from the main
thread
Stack trace:
File "threading.pyo", line 774, in __bootstrap
File "threading.pyo", line 801, in __bootstrap_inner
File "threading.pyo", line 754, in run
File "updateCheck.pyo", line 313, in _bg
File "updateCheck.pyo", line 295, in _guiExec
File "wx\_misc.pyo", line 1324, in Start
File "core.pyo", line 213, in OnAssert
IO - braille.BrailleBuffer.update (13:17:20):
Braille regions text: [u'OK btn']