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Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

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No indeed and I tend to get mine not from the actual rc produced for the masses but from the snapshots page.
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr


and you could have been using it for a few weeks now as the rc (release candidate) is always the nearly final version, and not much, if anything changes between the rc and the final. No need to be afraid of rc versions. They don't bite.
Travis
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr


Finally! I've been waiting for months for this release!


Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

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Well you could have use the Master branch, its been mostly stable for a while now.

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Finally! I've been waiting for months for this release!


Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

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Yes but do check the hardware like the drive and connections before you spend loads of time fixing it.
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10



I've got someone to help me fix it. It is just so frustrating when these things happen and you are down for a day until you can get someone to help you.

Doug


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On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know enough to advise you about using an accessible reinstallation environment. There are installation environments developed evidently by some blind users that allow you to run enough of Windows from an external source to then reinstall Windows. they also load a screen-reader from their files, as far as I know, NVDA. But I don't know enough about this to tell you more. No one has said anything about this in the discussion. perhaps they will now.

but you will have to be able to boot from whatever medium you are using, such as a thumb drive and I have no idea what sources the computer currently looks at when booting.

gene
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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10

Well you can try a reset, to be honest though it may be time to just
take your box to a shop and ask them to reformat it for you.
I still am a firm believer that a box should run the system it was
designed for for best performance.
So if you ran xp on it it should run that or 7 well you get the picture.
I'd actually be wandering if you either have a virus or something or
simply that your hardwre has issues and it may do.


On 16/12/2016 7:33 a.m., Douglas Lawlor wrote:
Hello Brian,
I would do this if I could, but I cannot use the system at all in it's current state. It is taking minutes for NVDA to respond to a command which should normally take milliseconds. I just don't know what to do here. I've got no sited assistance to help me which makes this problem that much more frustrating.

Doug


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On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:

Doug,

Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane? It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate. I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
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Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

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I think the problem for me with reinstalling is exactly that you might do it all then find the drive is knackered. One thing to check is the drive connections for power supply and s data at both ends of the cable. These new serial driven drives do seem to be very prone to the plugs coming loose.
However to get things sorted out then you might need to do a disc test and hope it remains OK.
If you just do a fix without knowing what caused the issue, you will just encounter the same problem further down the road in my experience.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10


Well you can try a reset, to be honest though it may be time to just take your box to a shop and ask them to reformat it for you.
I still am a firm believer that a box should run the system it was designed for for best performance.
So if you ran xp on it it should run that or 7 well you get the picture.
I'd actually be wandering if you either have a virus or something or simply that your hardwre has issues and it may do.


On 16/12/2016 7:33 a.m., Douglas Lawlor wrote:
Hello Brian,
I would do this if I could, but I cannot use the system at all in it's current state. It is taking minutes for NVDA to respond to a command which should normally take milliseconds. I just don't know what to do here. I've got no sited assistance to help me which makes this problem that much more frustrating.

Doug


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On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:

Doug,

Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane? It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate. I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
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Re: Donating During Update

 

I second this


On 12/16/2016 2:24 AM, David Griffith wrote:

I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an simplified.

 

On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options   unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are initially read out as a single strihng  which is a little overwhelming and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.

To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.

It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.

More importantly on a couple of occasion  this has meant I have checked the wrong amount when trying to donate  and again on my system once a check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.

 

This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I genuinely wanted to donate.

 

The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor down and hear each donation option as a separate option  with a clear safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page read out.

My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude  and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.

Just a suggestions.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



Re: changing the function key

ADRIAN POCOCK
 

you could try a program called sharpkeys which is free to redefine a key like scroll lock key to perform the required action.


Re: How to burn a disk in Windows 10

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Well I think the old CD burner xp still works, though some of the newer drives to my mind are not as good at making a cd that all players can read. I often find myself back on an old xp machine doing it on there with an older drive.

This is nothing to do with windows 10 just the tendency for drives to be pretty rubbish these days. Brian

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Subject: [nvda] How to burn a disk in Windows 10


Maybe this question has already been answared.


When I wanted to burn a cd disk with my cd-burner it doesn't seem to work with Windows 10. What is the most accessible method to create a music cd?


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Re: changing the function key

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This sort of thing catches many new users out, sadly it also seems that most of the big outlets have people iin them who glaze over when you ask this sort of question, like can I test my screenreader first and can you supply it with this function disabled as they have no idea it is even a feeature in the first place!

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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] changing the function key


Also the problem with taping the key down, is that for any other keys that
use Fn+key combinations, they will always act as if the key was down. it
also might not register properly when the machine restarts. It sounds like
it would be worth getting sighted help to get into the bios and change this
setting once and for all. At least, once it's done you can just use the PC
normally again.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:

Robert,

I know of no way to change this on HP hardware without going
into either UEFI or BIOS (depending on the age of the machine). This
feature is known as Action Keys. My laptop had this enabled and I promptly
disabled via the BIOS settings under UEFI. Under UEFI it's in the BIOS
settings, System Configuration settings and is enabled if you have to hit
Fn in order for the function key to act like a function key, not perform
the function shown on its icon.

There are some brands that have a way to do this via the user
interface. I can't find any for HP. Here's a link to their support page
<http://www.support.hp.com/us-en/document/c02035108/> giving details on
how to turn it off via BIOS for machines from the straight BIOS era. It's
virtually identical under UEFI once you know where to look, which I
mentioned above.
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Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

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I wonder is this machine by any chance an AMD processor one, as we do already know that all the versions of windows updated this month seem to have added some code into the windows update routines that some amd processors find keeps them rather busy doing very little. ahem...
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10



Use narrator instead of nvda until you reset it
Or whatever you need to do


Re: Important announcement: starting today, some add-ons will require you to upgrade to NVDA 2016.4

Rui Fontes
 

I think they will not install...

Rui


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Assunto: Re: [nvda] Important announcement: starting today, some add-ons will require you to upgrade to NVDA 2016.4

Sounds reasonable but will you be testing that if people attempt to run
newer versions on older nvda, that it won't screw anything up and just won't
load or turn them off?
Otherwise I can see the folk who never read the words or update unless they
need to getting their nvdas in a bit of a pickle!
Maybe the last version which worked on 2016.3 should be retained on a page
of legacy add onse for those for whatever reason who cannot update. This
will probably be those who rely on their administrators to install nvda.


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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:43 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: starting today, some add-ons will
require you to upgrade to NVDA 2016.4


Hi everyone,

For those using 2016.3 or earlier: there will come a time when some add-ons
will ask you to upgrade to NVDA 2016.4 in order for them to function. For my
add-ons, I'll enforce 2016.4 requirement from February 2017 releases:



* StationPlaylist Studio: Version 17.04 (currently listed as
17.1-dev) will require 2016.4 or later. Major parts of this add-on now uses
features introduced in 2016.4 (specifically, new user interface routines).

* Windows 10 App Essentials: Version 17.02 will not run properly
under NVDA 2016.3 or earlier. A critical component required to support
universal apps and write app modules for them has been included in NVDA
2016.4, thus this is no longer needed in the add-on.



Other add-ons that will require you to use NVDA 2016.4 include upcoming
versions of Place Markers, Rapid Settings, Clip Contents Designer and
others. Also, an add-on called Indentone (by Derek Riemer), used to let you
hear indentation via tones, is hereby deprecated and should be removed, as
NVDA 2016.4 includes this feature.



For add-on writers: I'll write a formal directive to the add-ons list, but
the big picture is: if you are going to use graphical user interfaces such
as dialogs, you should use GUI Helper services provided by NVDA 2016.4 or
later. Also, you can now write app modules where executable names have a dot
in the middle (for that, replace dots with underscores).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

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I'm told that if you have an iso or dvd of the anniversary edition of 10, it is possible to do it, indeed I think there have been some podcasts on how to do it using narrator.
Are you absolutely sure your issues are so serious it needs a reinstll though?
Often one can run an image of 10 and kind of repair it from that.
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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 5:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10


Hello all,
I know there are more appropriate lists I should be posting this on but I need an answer as soon as I can get one.
I have a Windows 10 laptop that is totally unusable and need to install Windows 10 from a working image I have on a USB drive. How can I restart Windows into Safe mode where I can do this? I'm getting program Manager not responding from NVDA so I know there is a problem where a reinstall of Windows would be the best option. It would be really wonderful if one could install Windows without sited assistance but that's still not possible as far as I'm aware.

Thanks,

Doug


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Re: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd processors

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Yes I notice this. The other issues that I was on about with ref to older amd processors are those early Athlon/Sempron ones that had 3D Now! code instead of SSE 2. Some software supported this, but most did not, falling back to inefficient older ways as has apparently happened in some recent windows updates, which has caused the single core old amds to effectively run at full whack and have no time to actually do any computing!
Turn of automatic updates and the routines Microsoft now seem to use get switched off until you are sure there are updates to be downloaded, then go off and have a holiday while they install.
Pritty soon those machinenes mostly running xp and Vista, will be unusable in any case, but I still think there will be a smattering of oddball dead end chips around that will only show their true colours on some software.
Maybe there should be ahome for retired old processors!

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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 5:03 PM
Subject: Re: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd processors


Hi,
The following is a bit technical, so please bear with me for a second:
Almost two decades ago, many microprocessor manufacturers noted that the
32-bit 4 GB limit would be reached within a few years, hence development of
64-bit processors began. Intel and AMD took two different routes: Intel came
up with a completely different 64-bit architecture than that of Pentium,
while AMD extended Pentium's language and made it work with 64-bit data.
Eventually, Intel adopted AMD's approach, hence you'll find that even for
Intel processors, the architecture name is AMD64 (technically called
x86-64). Modern 64-bit processors from Intel and AMD can run 32-bit software
such as NVDA because they can understand 32-bit instructions natively in
hardware, and Windows and other operating systems have mechanisms to allow
32-bit software to run under 64-bit operating systems (I'll describe this
process from start to finish upon request).
Cheers,
Joseph
P.S. To Derek and other devs: at some point, we should explain what WoW64
is.

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis
Siegel
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A
word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd
processors

Perhaps companies don't support it, but they should. I have an intel
processor, but it uses the amd command set. In fact, if I do a system info,
it tells me intel processor, (with all it's various version information),
then tells me amd-64, then returns to intel for processor type and so on.
It's very odd, but I have discovered that intel 64-bit programs don't work
on this machine, only amd-64 apps work (go figure)

This is an all in one computer, so it's likely using one of the intel laptop
processors that have the power saving features of a laptop, but apparently,
these cpus are also using amd commands for their command sets. <shrug>



On 12/15/2016 6:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I noticed yesterday on an old XP Athlon machine, the chip with no sse
2, that after a latest xp security update which is enabled on that
machine, the processor usage was 99 percent. trying this on a second
machine running a sempron resulted in the same issue, but not on the
old Pentium Intel chipped machines.
The thing is it seems to have altered the way the software looks for
and downloads windows updates, so to stop this problem you need to
turn off automatic updates. This can be quite a challenge with about 1
percent processor still working when nvda tends to need 143 percent,
but after doing this and rebooting all is sweetness and light again. I
only put this on here as I know a lot of folk in some of the poorer
countries out there still use xp machines with the get updates hack on
them, and wanted to help.
I'll shut up about it now, as in fact its off topic.
I imagine Microsoft never bother to test it on this processor as so
many companies now do not support it, like dropbox or firefox to name
but two.


Brian

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Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

Quentin Christensen
 

Thank you Nasrin, Your kind words are very warming, I will share them with the team!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 2:34 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
the best program for me is firefox and i downloaded it because of the
improvements in mozilla firefox!
i am very happy and i dont know how to express my happiness and appreciation!

On 12/16/16, Kwork <istherelife@...> wrote:
> and you could have been using it for a few weeks now as the rc (release
> candidate) is always the nearly final version, and not much, if anything
> changes between the rc and the final. No need to be afraid of rc versions.
> They don't bite.
> Travis
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Supanut Leepaisomboon
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr
>
>
> Finally! I've been waiting for months for this release!
>
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Re: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd processors

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I don't know about hese chips. I'm talking really old. I think in the main its insufficient testing of applications. I've noticed that the latest Dropbox even 32 bit fall over on such machines as I mentioned whatever flavour of windows is running, and indeed so does Firefox after version 48. This is due to there being no sse2 instruction set option in the chip which either falls out of the code as in dropbox, or is flagged when you try to install as in Firefox, or does give C runtime errors as in Speedfan etc etc.
I suspect gradually, people will either force AMD to get back on track with compatability or they will just lose the market to the great God Intel, sadly.



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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 4:45 PM
Subject: intel 64-bit processors with amd instruction sets: (was [nvda] A word of warning about xp and windoows update enabled systems with old amd processors


Perhaps companies don't support it, but they should. I have an intel processor, but it uses the amd command set. In fact, if I do a system info, it tells me intel processor, (with all it's various version information), then tells me amd-64, then returns to intel for processor type and so on. It's very odd, but I have discovered that intel 64-bit programs don't work on this machine, only amd-64 apps work (go figure)

This is an all in one computer, so it's likely using one of the intel laptop processors that have the power saving features of a laptop, but apparently, these cpus are also using amd commands for their command sets. <shrug>



On 12/15/2016 6:10 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I noticed yesterday on an old XP Athlon machine, the chip with no sse 2, that after a latest xp security update which is enabled on that machine, the processor usage was 99 percent. trying this on a second machine running a sempron resulted in the same issue, but not on the old Pentium Intel chipped machines.
The thing is it seems to have altered the way the software looks for and downloads windows updates, so to stop this problem you need to turn off automatic updates. This can be quite a challenge with about 1 percent processor still working when nvda tends to need 143 percent, but after doing this and rebooting all is sweetness and light again. I only put this on here as I know a lot of folk in some of the poorer countries out there still use xp machines with the get updates hack on them, and wanted to help.
I'll shut up about it now, as in fact its off topic.
I imagine Microsoft never bother to test it on this processor as so many companies now do not support it, like dropbox or firefox to name but two.


Brian

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Re: Important announcement: starting today, some add-ons will require you to upgrade to NVDA 2016.4

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Sounds reasonable but will you be testing that if people attempt to run newer versions on older nvda, that it won't screw anything up and just won't load or turn them off?
Otherwise I can see the folk who never read the words or update unless they need to getting their nvdas in a bit of a pickle!
Maybe the last version which worked on 2016.3 should be retained on a page of legacy add onse for those for whatever reason who cannot update. This will probably be those who rely on their administrators to install nvda.


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <@joslee>
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:43 AM
Subject: [nvda] Important announcement: starting today, some add-ons will require you to upgrade to NVDA 2016.4


Hi everyone,

For those using 2016.3 or earlier: there will come a time when some add-ons
will ask you to upgrade to NVDA 2016.4 in order for them to function. For my
add-ons, I'll enforce 2016.4 requirement from February 2017 releases:



* StationPlaylist Studio: Version 17.04 (currently listed as
17.1-dev) will require 2016.4 or later. Major parts of this add-on now uses
features introduced in 2016.4 (specifically, new user interface routines).

* Windows 10 App Essentials: Version 17.02 will not run properly
under NVDA 2016.3 or earlier. A critical component required to support
universal apps and write app modules for them has been included in NVDA
2016.4, thus this is no longer needed in the add-on.



Other add-ons that will require you to use NVDA 2016.4 include upcoming
versions of Place Markers, Rapid Settings, Clip Contents Designer and
others. Also, an add-on called Indentone (by Derek Riemer), used to let you
hear indentation via tones, is hereby deprecated and should be removed, as
NVDA 2016.4 includes this feature.



For add-on writers: I'll write a formal directive to the add-ons list, but
the big picture is: if you are going to use graphical user interfaces such
as dialogs, you should use GUI Helper services provided by NVDA 2016.4 or
later. Also, you can now write app modules where executable names have a dot
in the middle (for that, replace dots with underscores).



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: NVDA and icloud.com

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Hi,

 

I am running IOS 10 on the iPhone 5s and Windows 10 on the desktop PC with the latest NVDA release.

 

I have a few notes on my iPhone which I have saved in icloud.com with the intention of sharing them with my PC where I want to edit them further.

 

I installed the iCloud app on my desktop and this involved some interaction between the iPhone and the PC in granting permission to access, etc. This process was all accessible to both VoiceOver on the iPhone and NVDA on the PC.

 

However, when I opened the iCloud app on the desktop, there was no sign of the notes that should have been visible there. I then opened Firefox and called up www.icloud.com to see if I could see the notes in the online web page of my iCloud drive. I was disappointed to find that I could not see any sign of them. I then asked a sighted person to look at the screen and tell me if the notes were there. She confirmed that they were all visible on the screen but I could not get NVDA to see them.

Is there something I can do to see the files in the online page or in the iCloud app using NVDA?

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Sorry i can not help you there..


There is contact details for the person on the page that could give you more information.


When i listened to a earlier version of the windows PE it if i remember right was from a clean install.


there are other utilities in the program that can do different things, but have not put it to a test the way you said.


I couldive used this program a month ago when my hard drive died, but i had not burned the image to a disk


On 16/12/2016 3:29 PM, Douglas Lawlor wrote:
HI Gene, 

Thank you for this. I have an image that I made using the backup option in the control panel. I forget what the actual name of the system utility I used but I think it was Windows backup. Can I use your environment to restore this type of an image?

Thanks again, 

Doug


Douglas Lawlor


On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi



the package Gene is talking about can be found off my nvda tutorials for other programs page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

The heading you are looking for is Windows 10 PE (Preinstallation Environment) enabling independent Windows installation for blind users


usually your first boot device is a Cd so if a CD version is done you should be right. otherwise if your pc supports usb boot and it is set you can do it that way, but usually not set in a bios.


Gene nz



On 16/12/2016 3:00 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know enough to advise you about using an accessible reinstallation environment.  There are installation environments developed evidently by some blind users that allow you to run enough of Windows from an external source to then reinstall Windows.  they also load a screen-reader from their files, as far as I know, NVDA.  But I don't know enough about this to tell you more.  No one has said anything about this in the discussion.  perhaps they will now. 
 
but you will have to be able to boot from whatever medium you are using, such as a thumb drive and I have no idea what sources the computer currently looks at when booting. 
 
gene
----- Originaal Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10

Well you can try a reset, to be honest though it may be time to just
take your box to a shop and ask them to reformat it for you.
I still am a firm believer that a box should run the system it was
designed for for best performance.
So if you ran xp on it it should run that or 7 well you get the picture.
I'd actually be wandering if you either have a virus or something or
simply that your hardwre has issues and it may do.


On 16/12/2016 7:33 a.m., Douglas Lawlor wrote:
> Hello Brian,
> I would do this if I could, but I cannot use the system at all in it's current state. It is taking minutes for NVDA to respond to a command which should normally take milliseconds. I just don't know what to do here. I've got no sited assistance to help me which makes this problem that much more frustrating.
>
> Doug
>
>
> Douglas Lawlor
> Email: douglawlor@...
>
>
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Doug,
>>
>>           Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane?   It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate.  I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
>> --
>> Brian
>>
>>  Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.
>>
>>          ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries


Re: Donating During Update

Jacques <lists4js@...>
 

Hi David

I have a monthly donation set up, so usually choose the "do not donate at this time" option, or something along those lines when downloading an update. Since the donation options are radio buttons, When in browse mode, using r and shift+r moves between the donation options. I think this makes for easier navigation and will read only the option you are on at any given time.

Hope this helps somewhat.

Jacques

On 16 Dec 2016 10:24, David Griffith wrote:
I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an
simplified.



On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options
unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at
leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are
initially read out as a single strihng which is a little overwhelming
and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.

To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it
relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.

It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry
is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.

More importantly on a couple of occasion this has meant I have checked
the wrong amount when trying to donate and again on my system once a
check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or
enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.



This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I
genuinely wanted to donate.



The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor
down and hear each donation option as a separate option with a clear
safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather
than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page
read out.

My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude
and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least
should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.

Just a suggestions.



David Griffith



Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
Windows 10




Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Have you tried installing a good working copy of nvda to see if you get the same results?

If the portable version works well and the installer version doesn't then you can look at other things.


You would most probably have to download a fresh copy of nvda from the net then make a portable copy. then if that one is ok and the installer version is causing problems, then maybe look at fully uninstalling the installer copy.


i can give you directions on how to do that.


maybe some thing has got corrupted in the nvda.ini file? in the installer version.


Does pressing the alt + ctrl + N keys restart nvda and it works properly.


Have you also tried nvda with all add ons disabled just in case one is causing the problem.


which synth are you using? the synth package might be causing the problem. I remember a synth package i used one time called via voice out loud keaped


have you also tried resetting nvda back to factory defaults?


Gene nz



On crashing every so offen and you would get windows explorer etc dieing.


 16/12/2016 3:29 PM, Douglas Lawlor wrote:
HI Gene, 

Thank you for this. I have an image that I made using the backup option in the control panel. I forget what the actual name of the system utility I used but I think it was Windows backup. Can I use your environment to restore this type of an image?

Thanks again, 

Doug


Douglas Lawlor


On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi



the package Gene is talking about can be found off my nvda tutorials for other programs page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

The heading you are looking for is Windows 10 PE (Preinstallation Environment) enabling independent Windows installation for blind users


usually your first boot device is a Cd so if a CD version is done you should be right. otherwise if your pc supports usb boot and it is set you can do it that way, but usually not set in a bios.


Gene nz



On 16/12/2016 3:00 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know enough to advise you about using an accessible reinstallation environment.  There are installation environments developed evidently by some blind users that allow you to run enough of Windows from an external source to then reinstall Windows.  they also load a screen-reader from their files, as far as I know, NVDA.  But I don't know enough about this to tell you more.  No one has said anything about this in the discussion.  perhaps they will now. 
 
but you will have to be able to boot from whatever medium you are using, such as a thumb drive and I have no idea what sources the computer currently looks at when booting. 
 
gene
----- Originaal Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10

Well you can try a reset, to be honest though it may be time to just
take your box to a shop and ask them to reformat it for you.
I still am a firm believer that a box should run the system it was
designed for for best performance.
So if you ran xp on it it should run that or 7 well you get the picture.
I'd actually be wandering if you either have a virus or something or
simply that your hardwre has issues and it may do.


On 16/12/2016 7:33 a.m., Douglas Lawlor wrote:
> Hello Brian,
> I would do this if I could, but I cannot use the system at all in it's current state. It is taking minutes for NVDA to respond to a command which should normally take milliseconds. I just don't know what to do here. I've got no sited assistance to help me which makes this problem that much more frustrating.
>
> Doug
>
>
> Douglas Lawlor
> Email: douglawlor@...
>
>
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Doug,
>>
>>           Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane?   It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate.  I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
>> --
>> Brian
>>
>>  Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.
>>
>>          ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries


Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Sorry i can not help you there..


There is contact details for the person on the page that could give you more information.


When i listened to a earlier version of the windows PE it if i remember right was from a clean install.


there are other utilities in the program that can do different things, but have not put it to a test the way you said.


I couldive used this program a month ago when my hard drive died, but i had not burned the image to a disk at that time so i could do it.


can you not roll back a period of time? if i get into trouble very rare and can not be fixed or it goes weird etc if i can not fix it then i will roll it back and the problem goes away.


I also take note of what the program caused the problem if i can.


Gene nz



On 16/12/2016 3:29 PM, Douglas Lawlor wrote:
HI Gene, 

Thank you for this. I have an image that I made using the backup option in the control panel. I forget what the actual name of the system utility I used but I think it was Windows backup. Can I use your environment to restore this type of an image?

Thanks again, 

Doug


Douglas Lawlor


On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:16 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi



the package Gene is talking about can be found off my nvda tutorials for other programs page at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html

The heading you are looking for is Windows 10 PE (Preinstallation Environment) enabling independent Windows installation for blind users


usually your first boot device is a Cd so if a CD version is done you should be right. otherwise if your pc supports usb boot and it is set you can do it that way, but usually not set in a bios.


Gene nz



On 16/12/2016 3:00 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know enough to advise you about using an accessible reinstallation environment.  There are installation environments developed evidently by some blind users that allow you to run enough of Windows from an external source to then reinstall Windows.  they also load a screen-reader from their files, as far as I know, NVDA.  But I don't know enough about this to tell you more.  No one has said anything about this in the discussion.  perhaps they will now. 
 
but you will have to be able to boot from whatever medium you are using, such as a thumb drive and I have no idea what sources the computer currently looks at when booting. 
 
gene
----- Originaal Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10

Well you can try a reset, to be honest though it may be time to just
take your box to a shop and ask them to reformat it for you.
I still am a firm believer that a box should run the system it was
designed for for best performance.
So if you ran xp on it it should run that or 7 well you get the picture.
I'd actually be wandering if you either have a virus or something or
simply that your hardwre has issues and it may do.


On 16/12/2016 7:33 a.m., Douglas Lawlor wrote:
> Hello Brian,
> I would do this if I could, but I cannot use the system at all in it's current state. It is taking minutes for NVDA to respond to a command which should normally take milliseconds. I just don't know what to do here. I've got no sited assistance to help me which makes this problem that much more frustrating.
>
> Doug
>
>
> Douglas Lawlor
> Email: douglawlor@...
>
>
>> On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>>
>> Doug,
>>
>>           Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane?   It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate.  I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
>> --
>> Brian
>>
>>  Life is the art of drawing sufficient conclusions from insufficient premises.
>>
>>          ~ Samuel Butler, 1835-1902
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>



-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries

-- 
<b>Check out the new location of my accessibility central website for NVDA tutorials, NVDA road tested programs, and other eyesight related topics.
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/ If you would like to keep up to date with whats being updated on our website, you can also follow us on facebook by visiting
the following link https://en-gb.facebook.com/people/AccessibilityCentral-Net/100009727930216
Also, check out which New Zealand libraries have the NVDA screen reader available by visiting the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries