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marking messages as read or replied in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

How do I mark messages as read or replied in thunderbird? I used to know how to mark messages but I can't recall the steps to do this. It's been a while since I marked messages as read or replied.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie


Important Button On Weather Underground Settings Page Will Not Activate With NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I know that some people have reported this type of an issue on some web pages. I hadn't seen one recently, but here's one that fits the example.


Recently, the Weather Underground (and this includes the weather Underground braille Page as well) has made changes to it's structure. They no longer have a zip code field for you to enter your zip code to look up local weather conditions. You now must set up an account (there is a free level) and then log in to your home page and get the information there. In order to set up your home page/favorites, after you set up an account, you must click profile/member settings and then home and favorites. Under this menu item, there is a simple form to fill in. Everything goes fine until you try clicking the save to favorites button. When you do this, nothing happens. If it's any consolation, JAWS and Narrator fare no better.


I don't know if anything can be done about this, but I thought it was worth reporting to this list--since others have found similar pages where this has occurred.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

NVDA is the only free open-source screen reader I know of.

On 6/1/2017 10:20 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
for me it causes conflict installing more than one screen reader and
my screen readers hang.
but i only told my experience using windows xp in my laptop but for
others, the result was good.
i have one question.
is nvda only free screen reader or is there any other free and
opensource screen reader too?
thanks.

On 6/1/17, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sally:

You definitely don't want them running at the same time because not
only iwill the speech be confusing but the keyboard commands will not
work well because, for instance Window-eyes uses insert-q to announce
your battery status if you are using a laptop, and NVDA uses that same
key combination to close the program, so when they are both running,
insert-q can either perform one action or the other.
Kevin Huber



On 5/31/17, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before
uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to
avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally






Re: Moving to NVDA

 

hi quentin.
i wish that know about imput gestures.
is it shortcut customization?
i could not learn how to use it and whats it!
thanks so much for your kindness and help and God bless you.

On 6/1/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
And that is also my complaint against aggregators and programs that do
something for you. Radio station aggregators are very convenient. But if
someone is learning to use the Internet, they hneed to learn how to do
effective searches and using an aggregator before such skills are developed
removes what may be an important motivation for learning. Likewise,
programs like Kurzweil and Openbook, with their searches of sites like Book
Share built in, remove incentives to practice and learn how to do effective
searches on the Internet. I have nothing against such features per se. But
they shouldn't be taught or used until the person learns how to do what they
do using Internet search engines and working with the sites themselves.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Huber
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving to NVDA


Hi Gene:

I totally agree with you. Having used all three screen readers and
the office ribbon itself, I find that it is easiest to learn something
new as it is and not dressed up to look like something you are
familiar with.
Kevin Huber



On 5/31/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:53 am, Gene wrote:


I consider the Window-eyes JAWS emulation layout to be a gimmick that
actually works against people learning Window-eyes fully since the JAWS
emulation doesn't incorporate all the Window-eyes commands.
And I have to concur.

In virtually all cases the "crutches" that are offered are just that:
crutches. I don't like the JAWS virtual ribbon because it stops people
from learning how to use the Windows ribbon, which is never going away.
There are all sorts of these things and they do as much, sometimes more,
damage than good.

Not having used Window Eyes much I can't speak to what it would be like
to
transition to either JAWS or NVDA, but having done the JAWS to NVDA
learning
myself, and flip-flopping back and forth between the two, both are most
functional when understood on their own terms. And what they have in
common
is, in my opinion, far more than what separates them (though some of
those
separating things can come in really, really handy at times on both sides
of
the equation).

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

 

hi.
for me it causes conflict installing more than one screen reader and
my screen readers hang.
but i only told my experience using windows xp in my laptop but for
others, the result was good.
i have one question.
is nvda only free screen reader or is there any other free and
opensource screen reader too?
thanks.

On 6/1/17, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sally:

You definitely don't want them running at the same time because not
only iwill the speech be confusing but the keyboard commands will not
work well because, for instance Window-eyes uses insert-q to announce
your battery status if you are using a laptop, and NVDA uses that same
key combination to close the program, so when they are both running,
insert-q can either perform one action or the other.
Kevin Huber



On 5/31/17, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before
uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to
avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Hot Keys in Gmail to Forward Email with Attachment

 

hi.
use alt+shift+f to activate forward.
then you can send your emails completely and there is no seperation
for attachments.
i use web interface of gmail in basic html view using firefox.
hope that help and God bless you all.

On 6/2/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
What e-mail program are you using? Or are you using a web mail interface
and if so, which one?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David Russell
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Hot Keys in Gmail to Forward Email with Attachment


Hi NVDA Group,
FireFox is my browser.
I cannot find user-friendly steps to forward an email that includes an
attached document that I wish to forward to a business associate.
The email will forward but the attachment will not.

Moreover, The icon labeled "more" cannot be found when using the
arrow keys in the forward message box. Is there a simple solution?

Thanks.
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


How NVDA works: feature development

 

Hi everyone,

 

A few days ago I posted on the NVDA development list that I’ll be sending a message about feature development on the users list. Then I thought about making this a regular series in hopes that users would understand how NVDA works and appreciate the work that goes on behind the scenes.

 

But before I do so, an important announcement:

 

ACB Radio’s Main Menu for June 2nd will be devoted to NVDACon 2017 keynote. You can go to acbradio.org to listen to the show at 6 PM Pacific (9 PM Eastern and other times elsewhere).

 

Back to the subject at hand:

 

Recently, NV Access has set out to improve their brand image, and one of them was deployed on NVDA alpha builds not long ago: new sounds. I’m sure some of you may have tasted it, and for those who didn’t, don’t worry, it’ll come to you at a later date.

 

One of the questions that came up during our discussion of new sounds was feature development. As an answer, I’d like to give you an overview of how a feature is born and make it to NVDA stable builds, with a recent addition of ability to disable add-ons as an example (a feature I enjoyed implementing and had massive impact on your NVDA lives).

 

In 2013, I posted a suggestion to an older bug tracking system NV Access employed, asking if there could be a way to disable individual add-ons. I forgot about this suggestion until last year when I somehow stumbled upon that issue. Thus began a journey to bring this feature to life, culminating in NVDA 2016.3 release where it did come to life.

 

To start with, I’d like to say that developing features in NVDA is fun yet challenging. You get to learn how certain things work behind the scenes, yet at the same time you are responsible to making sure your code doesn’t ruin someone’s hard work at his or her office. In other words, every code fragment you write impacts someone, and I can give you various examples regarding this (both from NVDA Core development and in add-ons world).

 

In regards to feature development, I didn’t start coding right away. I began with writing specifications, imagining how users would use this functionality. I then presented a prototype, then set out to incorporating it into NVDA itself, then went through a rigorous code review process. After months of work, the feature finally made it to NVDA master branch, and eventually it landed as part of NVDA 2016.3.

 

The ability to disable individual add-ons works by checking if an add-on is part of a set of add-ons that should be disabled at startup. By disabling add-ons, you’re effectively telling NVDA, “I want this add-on to be included in a set of disabled add-ons” and vice versa (if you’re enabling add-ons). In order to avoid technical issues encountered when NVDA resumes from a crash, I told NVDA to save this disabled add-ons set to disk when you exit add-ons manager after enabling or disabling add-ons.

 

Originally, I didn’t allow you to use shortcut commands to enable or disable add-ons from add-ons manager. However, some felt that it would be best to add one, so someone else came along and added that enhancement. The hotkey did make it to NVDA 2016.4.

 

Reference:

 

I hope to present a series of posts like this that explains how features in NVDA work behind the scenes, along with a backstage tour of how they were developed. Please let me know the next feature I should talk about, and if it’s something I don’t know, I’ll try my best to have an expert or the actual feature developer to explain it to you. And yes, one of the future installments might be the ongoing saga of search suggestion sounds.

 

Suggestion for Quentin: If you believe this would be something In-Process would like to talk about, please feel free to incorporate them.

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: moving to NVDA

 

hi gene.
about windows eyes i heard thats its completely commercial like jaws.
am i right?
and about automatic playing of video in websites:
in the address bar of firefox type about:config
then press enter twice and accept the risk.
then type these in the search bar or copy them one by one and press
enter to make them false.
it prevents, automatic playing of any media files in different windows
versions using websites.
i also dont have flash player and this is very helpful for security
and also preventing automatic playing medias.
media.directshow.enabled
media.autoplay.enabled
media.play-stand-alone

On 6/2/17, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi quentin and all developers.
i have a suggestion in this regard.
make tutorial available and let users select what they want to read first.
for example: basic tutorial for voices, reading texts, reading web
pages, nvda command, etc.
like user guide but more simple and shorter than user guide that
novice users can learn how to use nvda in the first time.

On 6/2/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
I just downloaded a copy of Windows eyes the free version and it did some
thing simular to what is spoken when setting up.


I do not think there was a interactive tutorial, but the thing i did like
was tips on using it.


There is a add on that is simular that can be found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/tipOfTheDay.en.html

It is called tip of the day and i wonder how many new users know of it or
even where to get them from. At present it is a separate add on and not
part
of nvda.


I put new users of nvda once nvda has been downloaded i install the add
on
and show them where to get resources from to help them.


Most people know the basics but in short bursts like the tip of the day
add
on it is a good way to get some one up and running.


It can always be added to.


The idea of a interactive tutorial i have only used on a apple phone and
a
android phone. it was just as easy for me to grab the gestures to learn
but
that was more with a touch screen.


You do not want information overload and object navigation would do that
to
a new user. There are people on this list who might only do the basics
and
that is all they want to know.


I just looked at the welcome dialogue and that tells you how to get into
the
user manual which a new user could do easily then pick out wheather he
learns the desk top layout for a desktop or the other for a laptop.
then learn a little at a time.

.

I wanted to find out a little more say for guides or help on the nvaccess
website from nvda and as soon as you go to the website it plays the
video.
That i am guessing is a turn off and makes you want to get out of there
quick.
I know the idea was to pro moat nvda with the video, but i think it
should
not automatically play.

If i done that to my pages on my website on every one i wonder how many
people whould come back.
Funny thing it happens in mozilla fire fox but not my other browsers so
does
that happen to other people using mozilla fire fox? or not? maybe there
is
some thing that needs to be disabled in my browser from playing
automatically.
.

What it is would any one have a clue it is driving me crazy when it does
it.

.

I guess for a new user it helps if they are pointed in the right area
from
the screen reader.
I guess as in training resources if needed.

Gene nz

The stuff i would want to find is the shop pretty easy to get there and
was
looking for resources to help me learn not that i need it.
The guides are some where there or are they off the community website? or
even some of the other resources?


I do not know how others feel about the video that plays straight away but
i
do not like it i would rather click on it if i want to listen to it.
A new user would freak and could confuse them even more.


Gene nz

On 2/06/2017 3:20 PM, Gene wrote:
On other e-mail lists I'm on, new users often have certain questions.
The
best thing might be to have a short document explaining certain things
that
appear likely to be the most asked and/or the most useful.

The document could explain how to change synthesizers and speed
parameters.
A very often asked question, how do you unload NVDA, could be answered.
I'm
not sure if users see information on running NVDA with a short cut
command
when they install it. Perhaps it should say that if they are using a
portable version, no such icons or commands will be made.
I don't think it's a good idea to give too much information. The things
people would probably want to know immediately are how to work with
speech
and synthesizers, how to unload the program, the read to ed command, and
how
to run it. How to look at help would be a good thing to tell people and
also, how to get tutorials since, presumably, a lot of people would
rather
learn from a tutorial.

This document could be a part of help and it could be shown until a do
not
show this check gbox is checked. A certain amount of information is
already
shown and continues to be shown when the program runs but my recollection
is
that it isn't as much as I have suggested and that many important things
for
new users are not discussed such as how to get to help and where to look
for
tutorials and some other things I've discussed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

Hi,
Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from
welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want
it
to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for
new
users.

I created an issue to document the idea:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242 Feel free to comment on the
issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any
progress of it.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy
<joshknnd1982@gmail.com<mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com>> wrote:
I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would
have
a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer
that
would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will
for
those newcomers ask if you want to use the current voice? There would be
a
yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all
voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft
speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a
keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a
voice,
hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when
you
first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an
interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff
like
lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up
a
sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar
with
some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would
guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to
find
certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock
enter,
and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it
would
let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of
the
current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by
hitting
escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard
you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using
NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only
edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a
tutorial
and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select
your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly
downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching
to
the newly downloaded free voice.







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New
Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the
NVDA
screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or
location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you,
please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified
individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA
expert
exam.

--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org
--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: moving to NVDA

 

hi quentin and all developers.
i have a suggestion in this regard.
make tutorial available and let users select what they want to read first.
for example: basic tutorial for voices, reading texts, reading web
pages, nvda command, etc.
like user guide but more simple and shorter than user guide that
novice users can learn how to use nvda in the first time.

On 6/2/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@outlook.co.nz> wrote:
I just downloaded a copy of Windows eyes the free version and it did some
thing simular to what is spoken when setting up.


I do not think there was a interactive tutorial, but the thing i did like
was tips on using it.


There is a add on that is simular that can be found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/tipOfTheDay.en.html

It is called tip of the day and i wonder how many new users know of it or
even where to get them from. At present it is a separate add on and not part
of nvda.


I put new users of nvda once nvda has been downloaded i install the add on
and show them where to get resources from to help them.


Most people know the basics but in short bursts like the tip of the day add
on it is a good way to get some one up and running.


It can always be added to.


The idea of a interactive tutorial i have only used on a apple phone and a
android phone. it was just as easy for me to grab the gestures to learn but
that was more with a touch screen.


You do not want information overload and object navigation would do that to
a new user. There are people on this list who might only do the basics and
that is all they want to know.


I just looked at the welcome dialogue and that tells you how to get into the
user manual which a new user could do easily then pick out wheather he
learns the desk top layout for a desktop or the other for a laptop.
then learn a little at a time.

.

I wanted to find out a little more say for guides or help on the nvaccess
website from nvda and as soon as you go to the website it plays the video.
That i am guessing is a turn off and makes you want to get out of there
quick.
I know the idea was to pro moat nvda with the video, but i think it should
not automatically play.

If i done that to my pages on my website on every one i wonder how many
people whould come back.
Funny thing it happens in mozilla fire fox but not my other browsers so does
that happen to other people using mozilla fire fox? or not? maybe there is
some thing that needs to be disabled in my browser from playing
automatically.
.

What it is would any one have a clue it is driving me crazy when it does
it.

.

I guess for a new user it helps if they are pointed in the right area from
the screen reader.
I guess as in training resources if needed.

Gene nz

The stuff i would want to find is the shop pretty easy to get there and was
looking for resources to help me learn not that i need it.
The guides are some where there or are they off the community website? or
even some of the other resources?


I do not know how others feel about the video that plays straight away but i
do not like it i would rather click on it if i want to listen to it.
A new user would freak and could confuse them even more.


Gene nz

On 2/06/2017 3:20 PM, Gene wrote:
On other e-mail lists I'm on, new users often have certain questions. The
best thing might be to have a short document explaining certain things that
appear likely to be the most asked and/or the most useful.

The document could explain how to change synthesizers and speed parameters.
A very often asked question, how do you unload NVDA, could be answered. I'm
not sure if users see information on running NVDA with a short cut command
when they install it. Perhaps it should say that if they are using a
portable version, no such icons or commands will be made.
I don't think it's a good idea to give too much information. The things
people would probably want to know immediately are how to work with speech
and synthesizers, how to unload the program, the read to ed command, and how
to run it. How to look at help would be a good thing to tell people and
also, how to get tutorials since, presumably, a lot of people would rather
learn from a tutorial.

This document could be a part of help and it could be shown until a do not
show this check gbox is checked. A certain amount of information is already
shown and continues to be shown when the program runs but my recollection is
that it isn't as much as I have suggested and that many important things for
new users are not discussed such as how to get to help and where to look for
tutorials and some other things I've discussed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee<mailto:joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

Hi,
Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from
welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want it
to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for new
users.

I created an issue to document the idea:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242 Feel free to comment on the
issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any
progress of it.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy
<joshknnd1982@gmail.com<mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com>> wrote:
I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have
a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that
would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for
those newcomers ask if you want to use the current voice? There would be a
yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all
voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft
speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a
keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice,
hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you
first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an
interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like
lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a
sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with
some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would
guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find
certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter,
and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would
let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the
current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting
escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard
you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using
NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only
edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial
and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select
your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly
downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to
the newly downloaded free voice.







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Re: moving to NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

I just downloaded a copy of Windows eyes the free version and it did some thing simular to what is spoken when setting up.


I do not think there was a interactive tutorial, but the thing i did like was tips on using it.


There is a add on that is simular that can be found at https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/tipOfTheDay.en.html

It is called tip of the day and i wonder how many new users know of it or even where to get them from. At present it is a separate add on and not part of nvda.


I put new users of nvda once nvda has been downloaded i install the add on and show them where to get resources from to help them.


Most people know the basics but in short bursts like the tip of the day add on it is a good way to get some one up and running.


It can always be added to.


The idea of a interactive tutorial i have only used on a apple phone and a android phone. it was just as easy for me to grab the gestures to learn but that was more with a touch screen.


You do not want information overload and object navigation would do that to a new user. There are people on this list who might only do the basics and that is all they want to know.


I just looked at the welcome dialogue and that tells you how to get into the user manual which a new user could do easily then pick out wheather he learns the desk top layout for a desktop or the other for a laptop.
then learn a little at a time.

.

I wanted to find out a little more say for guides or help on the nvaccess website from nvda and as soon as you go to the website it plays the video. That i am guessing is a turn off and makes you want to get out of there quick.
I know the idea was to pro moat nvda with the video, but i think it should not automatically play.

If i done that to my pages on my website on every one i wonder how many people whould come back.
Funny thing it happens in mozilla fire fox but not my other browsers so does that happen to other people using mozilla fire fox? or not? maybe there is some thing that needs to be disabled in my browser from playing automatically.
.

What it is would any one have a clue it is driving me crazy when it does it.

.

I guess for a new user it helps if they are pointed in the right area from the screen reader.
I guess as in training resources if needed.

Gene nz
 
The stuff i would want to find is the shop pretty easy to get there and was looking for resources to help me learn not that i need it.
The guides are some where there or are they off the community website? or even some of the other resources?


I do not know how others feel about the video that plays straight away but i do not like it i would rather click on it if i want to listen to it.
A new user would freak and could confuse them even more.


Gene nz

On 2/06/2017 3:20 PM, Gene wrote:
On other e-mail lists I'm on, new users often have certain questions.  The best thing might be to have a short document explaining certain things that appear likely to be the most asked and/or the most useful. 
 
The document could explain how to change synthesizers and speed parameters.  A very often asked question, how do you unload NVDA, could be answered.  I'm not sure if users see information on running NVDA with a short cut command when they install it.  Perhaps it should say that if they are using a portable version, no such icons or commands will be made.
I don't think it's a good idea to give too much information.  The things people would probably want to know immediately are how to work with speech and synthesizers, how to unload the program, the read to ed command, and how to run it.  How to look at help would be a good thing to tell people and also, how to get tutorials since, presumably, a lot of people would rather learn from a tutorial.  
 
This document could be a part of help and it could be shown until a do not show this check gbox is checked.  A certain amount of information is already shown and continues to be shown when the program runs but my recollection is that it isn't as much as I have suggested and that many important things for new users are not discussed such as how to get to help and where to look for tutorials and some other things I've discussed.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

Hi,

Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

 

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want it to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for new users.

 

I created an issue to document the idea: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242  Feel free to comment on the issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any progress of it.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.






 

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Re: moving to NVDA

Bhavya shah
 

Hi,
I think this is a great idea as well. Object navigation and screen
review may be too much to incorporate into a quick kickstarter
interactive tutorial, agreeably. Such a feature should fire up only
after the user has worked with the Welcome dialog, where the user has
already selected their keyboard layout according to which the tutorial
will be structured. I will follow the ticket for updates and further
discussions on this fascinating issue.
Thanks.

On 6/2/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
On other e-mail lists I'm on, new users often have certain questions. The
best thing might be to have a short document explaining certain things that
appear likely to be the most asked and/or the most useful.

The document could explain how to change synthesizers and speed parameters.
A very often asked question, how do you unload NVDA, could be answered. I'm
not sure if users see information on running NVDA with a short cut command
when they install it. Perhaps it should say that if they are using a
portable version, no such icons or commands will be made.
I don't think it's a good idea to give too much information. The things
people would probably want to know immediately are how to work with speech
and synthesizers, how to unload the program, the read to ed command, and how
to run it. How to look at help would be a good thing to tell people and
also, how to get tutorials since, presumably, a lot of people would rather
learn from a tutorial.

This document could be a part of help and it could be shown until a do not
show this check gbox is checked. A certain amount of information is already
shown and continues to be shown when the program runs but my recollection is
that it isn't as much as I have suggested and that many important things for
new users are not discussed such as how to get to help and where to look for
tutorials and some other things I've discussed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA


Hi,

Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from
welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA



I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want it
to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for new
users.



I created an issue to document the idea:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242 Feel free to comment on the
issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any
progress of it.



Regards



Quentin.



On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com>
wrote:

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would
have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer
that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it
will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current voice? There
would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box
with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download
microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you
choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose
a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and
when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would
have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say
stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would
bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a
toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive
tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen
review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or
capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup
wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the
variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive
tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial
and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the
basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up
a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such
a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in
the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of
directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then
switching to the newly downloaded free voice.












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Re: moving to NVDA

Gene
 

On other e-mail lists I'm on, new users often have certain questions.  The best thing might be to have a short document explaining certain things that appear likely to be the most asked and/or the most useful. 
 
The document could explain how to change synthesizers and speed parameters.  A very often asked question, how do you unload NVDA, could be answered.  I'm not sure if users see information on running NVDA with a short cut command when they install it.  Perhaps it should say that if they are using a portable version, no such icons or commands will be made.
I don't think it's a good idea to give too much information.  The things people would probably want to know immediately are how to work with speech and synthesizers, how to unload the program, the read to ed command, and how to run it.  How to look at help would be a good thing to tell people and also, how to get tutorials since, presumably, a lot of people would rather learn from a tutorial.  
 
This document could be a part of help and it could be shown until a do not show this check gbox is checked.  A certain amount of information is already shown and continues to be shown when the program runs but my recollection is that it isn't as much as I have suggested and that many important things for new users are not discussed such as how to get to help and where to look for tutorials and some other things I've discussed.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

Hi,

Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

 

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want it to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for new users.

 

I created an issue to document the idea: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242  Feel free to comment on the issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any progress of it.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.






 

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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: moving to NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Joseph, I replied to your comment on the issue, but just for those reading here.  The idea of the tutorial is that it is interactive rather than simply opening a static document.  So it would present some text and get you to press NVDA+up arrow / NVDA+l to read the current line.  Then when you did that, it would get you to press NVDA+down arrow / NVDA+a to read from the current point forward.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

 

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want it to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for new users.

 

I created an issue to document the idea: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242  Feel free to comment on the issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any progress of it.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.






 

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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 




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Re: NVDA find, wish

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi John,

I don't think I've seen the suggestion, but you can add an issue for it at: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 8:46 AM, John Sanfilippo <johnsanfilippo@...> wrote:
Hello all,

I kind of wish that, if NVDA can't find something, it simply beeps, says
so, and lets you take your next action, doing away  with having to press
Enter, before you take your next action.

What do you think? has this been raised before?

Peace,
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problem solved

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,


I deleted the old message filter I had for the support thunderbird list and redid it. Now it's working like a charm. Thank you all for your help.


Rosemarie


Re: moving to NVDA

 

Hi,

Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

 

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want it to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for new users.

 

I created an issue to document the idea: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242  Feel free to comment on the issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any progress of it.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.






 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: moving to NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want it to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for new users.

I created an issue to document the idea: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242  Feel free to comment on the issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any progress of it.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.








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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Reading the Windows Explorer Window

Quentin Christensen
 

When it happens, you could try pressing NVDA+f1 which shows the log and current control etc, that might shed some light on it if you can send it to me.

I've seen issues with Outlook for some users, but haven't noticed anything with File Explorer.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 9:17 PM, Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

Thanks, Quentin!  Unfortunately, it just happens randomly.  However, whenever it happens, it impacts Outlook as well.  Perhaps there is an invisible window as Brian indicated, but I am unable to see it if it does exist.  However, when it happens, I can’t navigate at all through Outlook messages, Explorer windows, etc.  It doesn’t seem to impact the web.  Perhaps we can use the Remote feature if you wanted to see it in real time when it happens.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:02 AM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

 

Can you give steps to reproduce?  Does it happen every time you use the arrow keys in the tree view?

 

I haven't got Windows 8.1 in front of me to test with just now, so if I can get as many details as possible for when I can test it that would be great.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

I am, WIN8.1.

Jonathan


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Which version of windows? Are you using an installed version of nvda?
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From: "Jonathan Milam" <milamj@...>
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Subject: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window


> Hi All,
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> In 2017.2, and even in earlier versions of NVDA, I am having an issue
> where
> NVDA will not speak the contents of windows explorer windows whenever I
> arrow up and down through listviews.  Is anyone else seeing this?
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> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan
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Re: having trouble with a folder I created in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Ron,


Yes, the folder does show up in the folders list so I don't know what could be going on. I have already created the filter for that email list but I can't run it.


Rosemarie

On 6/1/2017 4:11 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Rosemary,


Does the folder show up in the list of folders when you created the filter? If so and if you select it correctly, there should be no problem. I know that the folder structure when creating a filter is a bit shaky with screen readers. I believe you have to treat the list like a combo box or a tree view. You have to use the left and right arrows on the list to open the list of sub folders under the inbox and then you have to highlight the proper folder--using the object navigation in NVDA and then either click the item with the left mouse button (numpad slash) and then perhaps close the combo box with the left arrow key to make sure the selection is secure. This sounds a bit clumsy but I can't think of how else to describe it. I believe that the key is to select the folder properly when creating the filter.


If this approach doesn't work and you say that the folder can't be found, maybe it is something as simple as the presence or lack of a space in the folder name that exists in either the filter designation itself or the folder name.



On 6/1/2017 6:39 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I just joined the support thunderbird list at mozilla. I created a folder for it but when I tried to run the filter I have, I got a message saying the folder couldn't be found. I know it's there so what could be going on? Any help will be very much appreciated.


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie







Re: having trouble with a folder I created in thunderbird

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Rosemary,


Does the folder show up in the list of folders when you created the filter? If so and if you select it correctly, there should be no problem. I know that the folder structure when creating a filter is a bit shaky with screen readers. I believe you have to treat the list like a combo box or a tree view. You have to use the left and right arrows on the list to open the list of sub folders under the inbox and then you have to highlight the proper folder--using the object navigation in NVDA and then either click the item with the left mouse button (numpad slash) and then perhaps close the combo box with the left arrow key to make sure the selection is secure. This sounds a bit clumsy but I can't think of how else to describe it. I believe that the key is to select the folder properly when creating the filter.


If this approach doesn't work and you say that the folder can't be found, maybe it is something as simple as the presence or lack of a space in the folder name that exists in either the filter designation itself or the folder name.

On 6/1/2017 6:39 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,


I just joined the support thunderbird list at mozilla. I created a folder for it but when I tried to run the filter I have, I got a message saying the folder couldn't be found. I know it's there so what could be going on? Any help will be very much appreciated.


Thanks in advance.


Rosemarie





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