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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Gene
 

I don't know if this will help and if the numpad isn't working as expected, you'll still have the problem, but if you open an e-mail you should be able to read it using the standard arrow keys and the read to end command. You can read it with the numpad if it is working as expected as well, but if it isn't, reading the e-mail as you would any document will work.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Thank you for trying. At least now I have figured out a way around to
get a couple of my most used commands to work. With my memory issues, it
takes me a lot longer now to learn new things and I have to write down
all of the steps.


Thank you for those who have given suggestions.

On 12/29/2020 9:50 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know the variations of how numpads work on laptops. Perhaps your numpad requires some other key to be used in conjunction with it to get it to work as a numpaed usually does. But those with more knowledge of the subject may have suggestions. Yes, I'm talking about just pressing something like numpad 7 or 8 by itself.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop



Gene, I have used numpad very little until getting this laptop. I assume you mean just pushing the numpad 7 by itself when nomlock is off, right? If that is the case it does not do anything if it can be used in an email as that is where I tried it. When I push any of those three numbers it just says clipboard. If you would like for me to write you privately, please let me know.







On 12/29/2020 7:52 PM, Gene wrote:


it might help clarify things if we knew the answer to the following question:

When you use numpad commands by themselves, do they work correctly? In other words, does numpad 8 read the current line of the object you are on? Does numpad 7 move to the previous line and numpad 9 move to the next line?





I also did a bit of experimentation and if a current or near current version of NVDA is being used, it doesn't matter, for what we are discussing, if laptop or desktop mode is being used. it may for other commands, but the numpad review commands such as shift 7, 8, and 9, work in both modes. Before continuing with any experimentation, do the following to make completely sure you are working in the correct screen-review mode:

Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode. If you changed review modes at some point, you may well have unexpected results.





Gene


On 12/29/2020 6:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Since you are using a laptop NVDA should be on laptop keyboard layout.-
I'm sorry, but that's incorrect and, in actuality, very seldom the case or necessary. If you have a laptop that has a number pad as part of its built in keyboard NVDA installs using desktop keyboard layout because it can since all the keys are there.

I only have folks use laptop layout if they are already familiar with it and prefer it, or if they have a laptop that does not have a number pad as part of its built in keyboard. That is the minority of laptops produced today.
--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Thank you for trying. At least now I have figured out a way around to get a couple of my most used commands to work. With my memory issues, it takes me a lot longer now to learn new things and I have to write down all of the steps.


Thank you for those who have given suggestions.

On 12/29/2020 9:50 PM, Gene wrote:
I don't know the variations of how numpads work on laptops.  Perhaps your numpad requires some other key to be used in conjunction with it to get it to work as a numpaed usually does.  But those with more knowledge of the subject may have suggestions.  Yes, I'm talking about just pressing something like numpad 7 or 8 by itself.

Gene
-----Original Message----- From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop



Gene, I have used numpad very little until getting this laptop. I assume you mean just pushing the numpad 7 by itself when nomlock is off, right? If that is the case it does not do anything if it can be used in an email as that is where I tried it. When I push any of those three numbers it just says clipboard. If you would like for me to write you privately, please let me know.







On 12/29/2020 7:52 PM, Gene wrote:


it might help clarify things if we knew the answer to the following question:

When you use numpad commands by themselves, do they work correctly?  In other words, does numpad 8 read the current line of the object you are on? Does numpad 7 move to the previous line and numpad 9 move to the next line?





I also did a bit of experimentation and if a current or near current version of NVDA is being used, it doesn't matter, for what we are discussing, if laptop or desktop mode is being used.  it may for other commands, but the numpad review commands such as shift 7, 8, and 9, work in both modes. Before continuing with any experimentation, do the following to make completely sure you are working in the correct screen-review mode:

Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode.  If you changed review modes at some point, you may well have unexpected results.





Gene


On 12/29/2020 6:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Since you are using a laptop NVDA should be on laptop keyboard layout.-
I'm sorry, but that's incorrect and, in actuality, very seldom the case or necessary.  If you have a laptop that has a number pad as part of its built in keyboard NVDA installs using desktop keyboard layout because it can since all the keys are there.

I only have folks use laptop layout if they are already familiar with it and prefer it, or if they have a laptop that does not have a number pad as part of its built in keyboard.  That is the minority of laptops produced today.
--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Gene
 

I don't know the variations of how numpads work on laptops. Perhaps your numpad requires some other key to be used in conjunction with it to get it to work as a numpaed usually does. But those with more knowledge of the subject may have suggestions. Yes, I'm talking about just pressing something like numpad 7 or 8 by itself.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop



Gene, I have used numpad very little until getting this laptop. I assume you mean just pushing the numpad 7 by itself when nomlock is off, right? If that is the case it does not do anything if it can be used in an email as that is where I tried it. When I push any of those three numbers it just says clipboard. If you would like for me to write you privately, please let me know.







On 12/29/2020 7:52 PM, Gene wrote:


it might help clarify things if we knew the answer to the following question:

When you use numpad commands by themselves, do they work correctly? In other words, does numpad 8 read the current line of the object you are on? Does numpad 7 move to the previous line and numpad 9 move to the next line?





I also did a bit of experimentation and if a current or near current version of NVDA is being used, it doesn't matter, for what we are discussing, if laptop or desktop mode is being used. it may for other commands, but the numpad review commands such as shift 7, 8, and 9, work in both modes. Before continuing with any experimentation, do the following to make completely sure you are working in the correct screen-review mode:

Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode. If you changed review modes at some point, you may well have unexpected results.





Gene


On 12/29/2020 6:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Since you are using a laptop NVDA should be on laptop keyboard layout.-
I'm sorry, but that's incorrect and, in actuality, very seldom the case or necessary. If you have a laptop that has a number pad as part of its built in keyboard NVDA installs using desktop keyboard layout because it can since all the keys are there.

I only have folks use laptop layout if they are already familiar with it and prefer it, or if they have a laptop that does not have a number pad as part of its built in keyboard. That is the minority of laptops produced today.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:] Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next. We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner




--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Betsy Grenevitch
 

Gene, I have used numpad very little until getting this laptop. I assume you mean just pushing the numpad 7 by itself when nomlock is off, right? If that is the case it does not do anything if it can be used in an email as that is where I tried it. When I push any of those three numbers it just says clipboard. If you would like for me to write you privately, please let me know.



On 12/29/2020 7:52 PM, Gene wrote:

it might help clarify things if we knew the answer to the following question:

When you use numpad commands by themselves, do they work correctly?  In other words, does numpad 8 read the current line of the object you are on?  Does numpad 7 move to the previous line and numpad 9 move to the next line? 


I also did a bit of experimentation and if a current or near current version of NVDA is being used, it doesn't matter, for what we are discussing, if laptop or desktop mode is being used.  it may for other commands, but the numpad review commands such as shift 7, 8, and 9, work in both modes.  Before continuing with any experimentation, do the following to make completely sure you are working in the correct screen-review mode:

Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode.  If you changed review modes at some point, you may well have unexpected results.


Gene

On 12/29/2020 6:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Since you are using a laptop NVDA should be on laptop keyboard layout.
-
I'm sorry, but that's incorrect and, in actuality, very seldom the case or necessary.  If you have a laptop that has a number pad as part of its built in keyboard NVDA installs using desktop keyboard layout because it can since all the keys are there.

I only have folks use laptop layout if they are already familiar with it and prefer it, or if they have a laptop that does not have a number pad as part of its built in keyboard.  That is the minority of laptops produced today.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 

--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: DVD ripper that works with NVDA?

tim
 

Simple, You send it to a vertual dvd and then ripe the audio track from it.
A lot have ben doing that for dsv tracks for over ten years or more.

On 12/29/2020 2:12 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 02:07 PM, tim wrote:
Or, he just wants to ripe the audio track from a dvd iso file.
Not everything is a sighted world.
-
Well, Tim, then please explain how one rips from an ISO.  I have never heard a single instance of the term "rip" being used where the ISO file is the media being ripped from.
In addition, this has absolutely nothing whatsoever with sighted versus blind, but speaking clearly, so I'd appreciate a bit of respect and consideration.  Asking for clarification is not disrespectful, nor was it done disrespectfully.  And when you play the stupid "blind vs sighted" card when it has nothing to do with any thing it is you that looks bad.
--
Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042
[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:] /Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy./
        ~ Brendan Buck, /former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner/


Re: NVDA and outlook questions

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Does outlook 2019 work better?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

Well, if it is a 2016 based version then you likely will have the problem of it not reading suggestions easily. I always had to fiddle around with it to get anything. I vaguely remember using object navigation to dive into the enclosing frame It I was truly needing to use that feature, I would just switch to JAWS 18 and it would read in a more natural way. I would give recent Narrator a try and see how it fairs with that dropdown.

Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

I believe it is 2016. This is the version number I got when I used jaws and got the version number.
Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.13426.20404 -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

I have Outlook from Office 365 and if I recall this thread was about the To field and reading the type-ahead suggestion reading? When I was using Outlook 2016, I had this problem of it not reading but I did a bit of testing again on this version. It seems to be working fine with the type ahead for reading the first suggestion and changing as I progress on typing. Also, a simple down arrow will read the remaining suggestions. I don't recall which version you have but I am wondering if that is a factor here.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

There is no outlook setting I know of where I have to adjust it for the screen reader to properly read other screen readers read it. so should NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions


I think there is a setting.
You need to go to, in Outlook to File then Options and then under Mail find the setting which says Automatic Name checking and make sure that that is checked.
I have this checked and if Dennis does not then this may explain the different behaviour.
David G.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 December 2020 03:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

I know of no such setting. This is very likely another instance where you have to help the screen-reader in some way by using read current line as you type. I don't know why Outlook is different, in the address bar in the browsers I use, autocomplete will read as what I type changes.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 7:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions



I have the setting

Automatic say on page load unchecked. I was able to get it to read the first suggestion but not more suggestions. Example if I type j and joe smith is first it will read that if I continue typing and type john it won’t read John smith can this be changed that it will continuously read the suggestions?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions





This is slightly odd as this is precisely hwat NVDA does for me in Outlook.
I have just tried it and if I press K the most recent email I have typed



whose name begins with K. Pressing the down arrow reveals other addresses beginning with K.







I wonder if there is a setting in Outlook about keeping recent addresses you need to turn on?



Having said that it is also true that this feature does not, for me at least, any longer, reveal results from all your contacts. I often have to go into the to button and search in there to reveal all my addresses in contacts.



David G.



On 28/12/2020 21:56, Dennis L wrote:



Hi, I was wondering is there a way to get NVDA to automatically read the suggestions that come up when you are typing the address or persons name who the message is to?


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Gene
 

I don't think I've checked. I'll check and report. My view is that the mode should automatically be changed to object review when you leave the window you are in but, though I've presented that view on the list before, there seems to be little or no interest in the change.

I can recall times when I've used review mode, forgotten to switch, gone on to do something else, and then I later realized that I was getting unexpected results because I hadn't switched back to object review mode. I susp;ect that happens to a lot of people and they don't make the connection.

If I close NVDA and reopen it, I am placed back in object review mode. As another interesting point, when I apply the saved configuration command while in screen review mode, NVDA key r, I remain in screen-review mode.
Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 7:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 07:52 PM, Gene wrote:
Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode. If you changed review modes at some point, you may well have unexpected results.-
Gene, you may know, but does the last used review mode "stick" if you exit NVDA and start it again? I honestly have no idea, but would have presumed that will switch it back to what's typical if you've never changed it, period.
--


Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:] Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next. We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

 

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 07:52 PM, Gene wrote:
Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode.  If you changed review modes at some point, you may well have unexpected results.
-
Gene, you may know, but does the last used review mode "stick" if you exit NVDA and start it again?  I honestly have no idea, but would have presumed that will switch it back to what's typical if you've never changed it, period.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Gene
 

it might help clarify things if we knew the answer to the following question:

When you use numpad commands by themselves, do they work correctly?  In other words, does numpad 8 read the current line of the object you are on?  Does numpad 7 move to the previous line and numpad 9 move to the next line? 


I also did a bit of experimentation and if a current or near current version of NVDA is being used, it doesn't matter, for what we are discussing, if laptop or desktop mode is being used.  it may for other commands, but the numpad review commands such as shift 7, 8, and 9, work in both modes.  Before continuing with any experimentation, do the following to make completely sure you are working in the correct screen-review mode:

Issue the command numpad insert numpad 1 until you hear no previous review mode.  If you changed review modes at some point, you may well have unexpected results.


Gene

On 12/29/2020 6:16 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Since you are using a laptop NVDA should be on laptop keyboard layout.
-
I'm sorry, but that's incorrect and, in actuality, very seldom the case or necessary.  If you have a laptop that has a number pad as part of its built in keyboard NVDA installs using desktop keyboard layout because it can since all the keys are there.

I only have folks use laptop layout if they are already familiar with it and prefer it, or if they have a laptop that does not have a number pad as part of its built in keyboard.  That is the minority of laptops produced today.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: problem with tab navigation in certain situations

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

That's what it appears, though I'd have to do more thorough testing to
see if that's what is actually happening. If I remember right, and
what I posted will back me up, I pressed tab several times before
trying down arrow. As for why I pressed numpad 2 before I pressed down
arrow, this may be a minor bug with the way NVDA speaks commands.
Because it's what I'm used to with JAWS and System Access, I am
running the Numpad Nav Mode add-on, so using those arrow keys. If
those are being treated as arrow keys, I'm not sure why NVDA is still
speaking them as numpad as well.

On 12/29/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you saying that tab stops moving you? I don't know why and there may be

a problem with the way NVDA works with the site. I don't know just how you

are trying to move. if by link, try k. If you want to move in other ways,

we can discuss other ways. Why did you press numpad 2 before pressing down

arrow?

Also, what browser are you using? Though there may be a problem, we don't
know if the problem would still occur with another browser.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 2:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with tab navigation in certain situations

I didn't use read to end, I used the down arrows to move past the
point I couldn't get to using tab. The issue is that I shouldn't have
to press anything but tab if this was working properly.

On 12/29/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does that mean? I could tell nothing bhy looking at the speech
record except that it appeared you pressed tab more than once with no
response and then you used read to end and then tabbed. What is the
specific problem? What isn't consistent and what movements aren't as
expected.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 2:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with tab navigation in certain situations

I'll have to try that, seems like a decent workaround. I'm used to
navigating these messages by quickly tabbing through them, so that
will take some getting used to. Pressing tab multiple times isn't in
itself the problem though that should be addressed as well, the real
problem is that I can't seem to use the tab key consistently when
navigating in these situations.

On 12/29/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you saying that the problem is that you have to press tab more than
once

to move to the next link? Regardless of why that is, use k to move by
link

and see if that solves the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 1:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with tab navigation in certain situations

Hi all,
I'm having a problem with navigation by tab in certain situations. The
below is copied from NVDA's speech viewer as I read an email from
Groupon. For this example, I've turned on speak command keys so I
don't have to remember where I hit what, but I usually leave that off.
Usually, with System Access in both Gmail's web interface and in
Outlook, and with NVDA in Outlook, emails like this work fine, but not
with Gmail on the web and NVDA.
GROUPON® graphic link
tab
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.groupo… graphic link link
tab
numpad 2
down arrow
link link graphic url q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.groupo…
tab
Synthetic Mink Lash Extensions link
Vanity Lash Lounge ⋅ Over 50 Bought
(1,922 ratings)
$200 $93 link
tab
numpad 2
down arrow
link Vanity Lash Lounge
tab
View Deal link link
tab
tab
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.groupo… graphic link link
tab
tab
tab
numpad 2
down arrow
link link graphic Up to 82% Off Dental Checkups
tab
Dental Checkups
Advanced Dental Solutions
link link
tab
View Deal link link link
tab
tab
numpad 2
down arrow
link
tab
Up to 42% Off Activities at Elevated Sportz graphic link
Trampoline Park Activities
Elevated Sportz
link Over 350 Bought
(1,891 ratings)
$25 $15 View Deal link link link
tab
tab
Trampoline Park Activities
Elevated Sportz
link link
tab
View Deal link link link
tab
tab
numpad 2
down arrow
link
tab
Up to 42% Off Roof Cleaning from Renewal Cleaning graphic link
Roof Blow-Off with Inspection
Renewal Cleaning
link Over 100 Bought
(37 ratings)
$600 $348 View Deal link link link
tab
tab
Roof Blow-Off with Inspection
Renewal Cleaning
link link
tab
View Deal link link link
tab
tab
tab
numpad 2
down arrow
link
tab
34% Off Botox at The Renewal Center in Mukilteo graphic link
Botox
The Renewal Center
link Over 50 Bought
(271 ratings)
$350 $230 View Deal link link link
tab
tab
Botox
The Renewal Center
link link
tab
View Deal link link link
tab
tab
tab
Bob


























Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

 

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 06:40 PM, Nevzat Adil wrote:
Since you are using a laptop NVDA should be on laptop keyboard layout.
-
I'm sorry, but that's incorrect and, in actuality, very seldom the case or necessary.  If you have a laptop that has a number pad as part of its built in keyboard NVDA installs using desktop keyboard layout because it can since all the keys are there.

I only have folks use laptop layout if they are already familiar with it and prefer it, or if they have a laptop that does not have a number pad as part of its built in keyboard.  That is the minority of laptops produced today.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

 

Since you are using a laptop NVDA should be on laptop keyboard layout.

On 12/29/20, Betsy Grenevitch <blindangel61@gmail.com> wrote:
I am trying to use the numpad commands for such things as going to the
top of a file or an email. I have tried to use shift plus numpad 7. It
does not work. Yes, the number are not on.



On 12/29/2020 5:18 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The fact that this is occurring on a laptop also leads me to suspect
that it, like so many, has the function keys set by default to be
media and other system settings (e.g. volume and screen brightness)
control keys.

They would have to be set back to "regular function key mode" if
that's the case and how that's done varies by make and model of laptop.

I'm also curious what commands, specifically (and by keystroke
sequence), are not working?  That can help to point to both the root
problem and its solution.
--

Brian -Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by
Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:] /Pleased with the
SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this
crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless
supply of crazy./

~ Brendan Buck, /former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and
John Boehner/

--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876





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Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

 

Betsy,

          As I just said to someone else on the JAWS list who's having laptop issues:  what is the make and model number?

          That's a piece of information that's really pivotal in many cases.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I am trying to use the numpad commands for such things as going to the top of a file or an email. I have tried to use shift plus numpad 7. It does not work. Yes, the number are not on.


 

On 12/29/2020 5:18 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
The fact that this is occurring on a laptop also leads me to suspect that it, like so many, has the function keys set by default to be media and other system settings (e.g. volume and screen brightness) control keys.

They would have to be set back to "regular function key mode" if that's the case and how that's done varies by make and model of laptop.

I'm also curious what commands, specifically (and by keystroke sequence), are not working?  That can help to point to both the root problem and its solution.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 

--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: NVDA and outlook questions

Dan Miner
 

Well, if it is a 2016 based version then you likely will have the problem of it not reading suggestions easily. I always had to fiddle around with it to get anything. I vaguely remember using object navigation to dive into the enclosing frame It I was truly needing to use that feature, I would just switch to JAWS 18 and it would read in a more natural way. I would give recent Narrator a try and see how it fairs with that dropdown.

Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

I believe it is 2016. This is the version number I got when I used jaws and got the version number.
Microsoft Outlook Subscription Version 16.0.13426.20404 -----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dan Miner via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 10:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

I have Outlook from Office 365 and if I recall this thread was about the To field and reading the type-ahead suggestion reading? When I was using Outlook 2016, I had this problem of it not reading but I did a bit of testing again on this version. It seems to be working fine with the type ahead for reading the first suggestion and changing as I progress on typing. Also, a simple down arrow will read the remaining suggestions. I don't recall which version you have but I am wondering if that is a factor here.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

There is no outlook setting I know of where I have to adjust it for the screen reader to properly read other screen readers read it. so should NVDA.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 12:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions


I think there is a setting.
You need to go to, in Outlook to File then Options and then under Mail find the setting which says Automatic Name checking and make sure that that is checked.
I have this checked and if Dennis does not then this may explain the different behaviour.
David G.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 29 December 2020 03:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions

I know of no such setting. This is very likely another instance where you have to help the screen-reader in some way by using read current line as you type. I don't know why Outlook is different, in the address bar in the browsers I use, autocomplete will read as what I type changes.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 7:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions



I have the setting

Automatic say on page load unchecked. I was able to get it to read the first suggestion but not more suggestions. Example if I type j and joe smith is first it will read that if I continue typing and type john it won’t read John smith can this be changed that it will continuously read the suggestions?



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Griffith
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2020 5:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook questions





This is slightly odd as this is precisely hwat NVDA does for me in Outlook.
I have just tried it and if I press K the most recent email I have typed



whose name begins with K. Pressing the down arrow reveals other addresses beginning with K.







I wonder if there is a setting in Outlook about keeping recent addresses you need to turn on?



Having said that it is also true that this feature does not, for me at least, any longer, reveal results from all your contacts. I often have to go into the to button and search in there to reveal all my addresses in contacts.



David G.



On 28/12/2020 21:56, Dennis L wrote:



Hi, I was wondering is there a way to get NVDA to automatically read the suggestions that come up when you are typing the address or persons name who the message is to?


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

 

The fact that this is occurring on a laptop also leads me to suspect that it, like so many, has the function keys set by default to be media and other system settings (e.g. volume and screen brightness) control keys.

They would have to be set back to "regular function key mode" if that's the case and how that's done varies by make and model of laptop.

I'm also curious what commands, specifically (and by keystroke sequence), are not working?  That can help to point to both the root problem and its solution.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: problems using NVDA with my new laptop

David Goldfield
 

Betsy,
First, it's not clear what settings your daughter may have exported or transferred to your new laptop. If this has not already been done it might be best to download and install a fresh copy of NVDA from the NV Access Web site. If this has not already been done try doing that and see if your hotkeys work as they should.


David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.DavidGoldfield.org

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Betsy Grenevitch
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problems using NVDA with my new laptop

I received a new laptop and my daughter thought she had exported everything properly but a lot of the NVDA commands are not working such as going to the top of a list of emails, going to the top of a file etc.
I am using Windows 10 and the NVDA is set to desktop layout.


I would definitely appreciate if someone could help me figure out what is going on.


It is an Asus laptop.


Thanks.


--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


problems using NVDA with my new laptop

Betsy Grenevitch
 

I received a new laptop and my daughter thought she had exported everything properly but a lot of the NVDA commands are not working such as going to the top of a list of emails, going to the top of a file etc. I am using Windows 10 and the NVDA is set to desktop layout.


I would definitely appreciate if someone could help me figure out what is going on.


It is an Asus laptop.


Thanks.


--
Betsy Grenevitch 678-862-3876


Re: problem with tab navigation in certain situations

Gene
 

Are you saying that tab stops moving you? I don't know why and there may be a problem with the way NVDA works with the site. I don't know just how you are trying to move. if by link, try k. If you want to move in other ways, we can discuss other ways. Why did you press numpad 2 before pressing down arrow?

Also, what browser are you using? Though there may be a problem, we don't know if the problem would still occur with another browser.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 2:35 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with tab navigation in certain situations

I didn't use read to end, I used the down arrows to move past the
point I couldn't get to using tab. The issue is that I shouldn't have
to press anything but tab if this was working properly.

On 12/29/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
But what does that mean? I could tell nothing bhy looking at the speech
record except that it appeared you pressed tab more than once with no
response and then you used read to end and then tabbed. What is the
specific problem? What isn't consistent and what movements aren't as
expected.

Gene
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 2:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] problem with tab navigation in certain situations

I'll have to try that, seems like a decent workaround. I'm used to
navigating these messages by quickly tabbing through them, so that
will take some getting used to. Pressing tab multiple times isn't in
itself the problem though that should be addressed as well, the real
problem is that I can't seem to use the tab key consistently when
navigating in these situations.

On 12/29/20, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
Are you saying that the problem is that you have to press tab more than
once

to move to the next link? Regardless of why that is, use k to move by
link

and see if that solves the problem.

Gene

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2020 1:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] problem with tab navigation in certain situations

Hi all,
I'm having a problem with navigation by tab in certain situations. The
below is copied from NVDA's speech viewer as I read an email from
Groupon. For this example, I've turned on speak command keys so I
don't have to remember where I hit what, but I usually leave that off.
Usually, with System Access in both Gmail's web interface and in
Outlook, and with NVDA in Outlook, emails like this work fine, but not
with Gmail on the web and NVDA.
GROUPON® graphic link
tab
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.groupo… graphic link link
tab
numpad 2
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tab
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$200 $93 link
tab
numpad 2
down arrow
link Vanity Lash Lounge
tab
View Deal link link
tab
tab
url q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.groupo… graphic link link
tab
tab
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numpad 2
down arrow
link link graphic Up to 82% Off Dental Checkups
tab
Dental Checkups
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link link
tab
View Deal link link link
tab
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numpad 2
down arrow
link
tab
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link Over 350 Bought
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tab
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link link
tab
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down arrow
link
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tab
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link link
tab
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numpad 2
down arrow
link
tab
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link Over 50 Bought
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tab
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tab
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Bob


















Re: bug or feature? alt+F4 doesn't close speech viewer

Carlos Esteban Martínez Macías
 

Hi all.

You need go to the NVDA menu, tools, speech viewer and the window is closed.

Regards.

 

 

Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Bob Cavanaugh
Enviado: martes, 29 de diciembre de 2020 14:55
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: [nvda] bug or feature? alt+F4 doesn't close speech viewer

 

Hi all,

I don't use speech viewer all that often, but as my last message

indicated, I find it useful for testing things. That being said, when

I'm done testing, the only way to close speech viewer seems to be to

restart NVDA. Is this a bug or was this done on purpose? I've tried

both alt+F4 and control+W with no luck.

Bob

 

 

 

 

 

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