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Re: audio ducking not working with speech player and espeek

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

Well I am using 2016.3. I got it to work after all. Before I was using the latest snap shot of nvda and I went back to stable and the audio ducking started to work again. Please make ure you get a ticket for this problem before 2016.4 comes out.

On 12/1/2016 11:44 PM, Andre Fisher wrote:
It works just fine here. Which version of speechplayer are you
currently using? Which version of NVDA?

On 12/1/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Hay i am using the latest nvda and I went back to an older version and
saw tht audio ducking won't work with speech player at all. pleese help
so I got audio ducking to work with sapi 5 and e speek. Can you pleese
let me know what sympths audio ducking will work with. Talk to you all
soon




Re: audio ducking not working with speech player and espeek

Andre Fisher
 

It works just fine here. Which version of speechplayer are you
currently using? Which version of NVDA?

On 12/1/16, Bobby <bvinton@...> wrote:
Hay i am using the latest nvda and I went back to an older version and
saw tht audio ducking won't work with speech player at all. pleese help
so I got audio ducking to work with sapi 5 and e speek. Can you pleese
let me know what sympths audio ducking will work with. Talk to you all
soon




audio ducking not working with speech player and espeek

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

Hay i am using the latest nvda and I went back to an older version and saw tht audio ducking won't work with speech player at all. pleese help so I got audio ducking to work with sapi 5 and e speek. Can you pleese let me know what sympths audio ducking will work with. Talk to you all soon


Re: NVDA preferred browser

Gene
 

Those sorts of things take very little time to listen to when on web pages and they are often missed when effective browsing techniques are used. 
 
gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2016 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

Yes.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Do you mean something that might say something with an extension such as gif?  If so, such items are negligible..

 

Gene

----- Original Messagge -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter. 

 

Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.

 

I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers. 

 

Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: NVDA preferred browser

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Yes.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm not sure what you are referring to.  Do you mean something that might say something with an extension such as gif?  If so, such items are negligible..

 

Gene

----- Original Messagge -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 10:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

I'm talking about images that you see on some web pages. I don't use webbie that much because I do know how to navigate most web pages.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 7:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

If you know how to navigate web pages effectively, what you are discussing isn't a problem.  I don't know what you are referring to.  You see links and various fields in Webbie as you do in other browsers.  I don't know how Webbie describes image links but image links often contain useful information even if they aren't labeled properly.  I don't know what you are describing as graphical.  Aside from image links and at times, this or that image I may see on screen, I do not see graphical clutter. 

 

Further discussion might allow us to know what you are describing but at present, I don't know.

 

I don't know what the newer version of Webbie is like.  The old version used a very different interface than is now standard in screen-readers when used with browsers. 

 

Webbie used to have a useful place before a capable free screen-reader was available.  Before NVDA, free screen-readers were very limited and couldn't work with standard browsers.  But those days are long gone. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:41 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi, Quentin,

 

The nice thing about the webbie browser is that it takes the extra clutter from a site that has graphics. I mainly use internet explorer but I have used firefox or the webbie browser on occasion.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 6:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA preferred browser

 

Hi Rosemarie,

 

You are absolutely correct - and it's not something that's specific to screen reader users either.  I haven't looked at Webbie for awhile, I must try it again.  I didn't mention Edge originally as the question was specifically related to Windows 7.  Our support for Edge has been higher than other screen readers to date, but Edge itself is not yet at a point where we'd recommend it generally.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I have firefox, the webbie browser, edge and internet explorer. It never hurts to have more than one browserin case something doesn't work with your main browser.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

On 11/30/2016 1:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Glenn,

 

The short answer is that it pays to have access to several browsers.  There are sites which, for various reasons, just work better in one browser over others.  NVDA works in Firefox, Chrome and Internet Explorer.  I had an example just before where a particular site / aria element worked better with NVDA in Chrome than Firefox.  

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 3:18 AM, <glenn.bradford@...> wrote:

Hello - Is Firefox the recommended browser in for NVDA in Windows 7? Wondering if IE11 is considered a viable option as I am testing accessibility for a number of sites. Per the SSB Bart site "The second most widely used screen reader, NVDA, is hard coded to work best in Firefox. This includes ARIA support." Is that still an accurate statement?


SSB Bart article is at http://www.ssbbartgroup.com/blog/how-browsers-interact-with-screen-readers-and-where-aria-fits-in-the-mix/

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA & Microsoft Word Forms #msftaccessibility

 

Quentin,

         Thanks.  I got that far, but it's not what I'm remembering.  When you do the CTRL+A followed by a CTRL+SHIFT+F9 it does allow me to edit anywhere in the document but the fields themselves remain.  I know that there was a way to turn all fields to "regular text" for lack of another term, and it even did something similar for the checkboxes.

         This is not critical, I'm just annoyed that I did not take the notes that I thought I did.  I'm sure I'll find them somewhere about 25 seconds after sending this!
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: NVDA & Microsoft Word Forms #msftaccessibility

Quentin Christensen
 

I can get you halfway there:

alt+r, zr, pe, enter, shift+F6 to turn off protection
(Review ribbon, then protect, then restrict editing, enter to turn off enforcing protection, then shift+f6 to go from the task pane back to the document).

To unlink all the fields and turn them back into text:

1. Press Control+a to select all
2. Press Control+shift+f9 to unlink fields.

The only caveat is that it doesn't do anything with the checkboxes.  NVDA still reads the correct state of the checkbox.  Interestingly, I noticed if I copied the text (at any point) to Notepad, it turned each checkbox into 0 if it wasn't checked and 1 if it was.  I must confess I've never tried that before.




On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 11:37 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Quentin,

         Thanks for checking and confirming the behavior when the form document template is not in protected mode (and by that I presume you mean protected mode in the trust center, which happens these days to anything you download from the internet or an e-mail attachment unless you turn protected mode off in the trust center).

         I have been using forms like this with blind and visually impaired clients for quite a while now.  They are the perfect solution to, well, the electronic equivalent of paper forms where the end user, sighted or not sighted, is only supposed to fill in the blanks.  NVDA and JAWS both read my status bar and help text exactly as I'd expect except for this first field (and I haven't tried it with JAWS 18 yet).

         They're also quite handy to use for documents that have a huge pre-formatted component but that you might want to tweak certain aspects of the pre-formatted part after filling in what are "set fields."  One can completely unprotect a MS-Word form, turning it into a plain word document, but I cannot for the life of me find the appropriate sequence of keyboard commands to do so.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA & Microsoft Word Forms #msftaccessibility

 

Quentin,

         Thanks for checking and confirming the behavior when the form document template is not in protected mode (and by that I presume you mean protected mode in the trust center, which happens these days to anything you download from the internet or an e-mail attachment unless you turn protected mode off in the trust center).

         I have been using forms like this with blind and visually impaired clients for quite a while now.  They are the perfect solution to, well, the electronic equivalent of paper forms where the end user, sighted or not sighted, is only supposed to fill in the blanks.  NVDA and JAWS both read my status bar and help text exactly as I'd expect except for this first field (and I haven't tried it with JAWS 18 yet).

         They're also quite handy to use for documents that have a huge pre-formatted component but that you might want to tweak certain aspects of the pre-formatted part after filling in what are "set fields."  One can completely unprotect a MS-Word form, turning it into a plain word document, but I cannot for the life of me find the appropriate sequence of keyboard commands to do so.
--
Brian

Here is a test to find out whether your mission in life is complete.  If you’re alive, it isn’t.

    ~ Lauren Bacall

    



Re: Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

David Moore
 

Thanks a lot.

I will give that a try!

I have heard about Math player, but I have not experimented with it yet.

David Moore

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 6:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

 

Hi David,

 

It does work in MathType / MathPlayer from Design Science: http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/

 

MathPlayer / MathType work in Word, but using their own editor, not the original Microsoft Word editor.

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Yes,

Thank you for bringing this up. I tutor some math, and I need to read math equations and even calculus a lot. It would be like a dream come true if NVDA could read any math in any editor or anywhere.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

 

Ideally, we'd like to be able to support this.  I know we've run into problems attempting to read math equations in Word.  For now, only equations using MathType / MathPlayer by Design Science are readable.

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Hi list,

I'm really glad that NVDA has finally supported reading math symbols, namely math symbols created using MathType. But I wonder, will NVDA be able to natively read and edit equations and symbols created from Microsoft Equation Editor in future releases? That would be nice if NVDA could support reading math out of the box, without having to install any additional software.



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


Re: Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi David,

It does work in MathType / MathPlayer from Design Science: http://www.dessci.com/en/products/mathtype/

MathPlayer / MathType work in Word, but using their own editor, not the original Microsoft Word editor.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 10:22 AM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Yes,

Thank you for bringing this up. I tutor some math, and I need to read math equations and even calculus a lot. It would be like a dream come true if NVDA could read any math in any editor or anywhere.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

 

Ideally, we'd like to be able to support this.  I know we've run into problems attempting to read math equations in Word.  For now, only equations using MathType / MathPlayer by Design Science are readable.

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Hi list,

I'm really glad that NVDA has finally supported reading math symbols, namely math symbols created using MathType. But I wonder, will NVDA be able to natively read and edit equations and symbols created from Microsoft Equation Editor in future releases? That would be nice if NVDA could support reading math out of the box, without having to install any additional software.



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

David Moore
 

Yes,

Thank you for bringing this up. I tutor some math, and I need to read math equations and even calculus a lot. It would be like a dream come true if NVDA could read any math in any editor or anywhere.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:20 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

 

Ideally, we'd like to be able to support this.  I know we've run into problems attempting to read math equations in Word.  For now, only equations using MathType / MathPlayer by Design Science are readable.

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Hi list,

I'm really glad that NVDA has finally supported reading math symbols, namely math symbols created using MathType. But I wonder, will NVDA be able to natively read and edit equations and symbols created from Microsoft Equation Editor in future releases? That would be nice if NVDA could support reading math out of the box, without having to install any additional software.



 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


Re: NVDA preferred browser

glenn.bradford@...
 

Thanks for your reply Quentin! That's good to know. There is a persistent discussion/claim that NVDA is hardcoded for Firefox, and I can squash that thinking now. If we find issues unique to a given browser, we'll report 'em.

Regards,

Glenn


Re: File Upload Form Field Accessibility

David Moore
 

Hi all,

I use IE for social web sites, Firefox for news web sites, Google Chrome for streaming and sites with complicated forms, and Edge for reading all PDFs. That seems to work best for which browser to use for what web site.

Take care,

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 5:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] File Upload Form Field Accessibility

 

Oh you're right.  I was thinking from a user perspective, it's worth having a couple of browsers on hand for troublesome websites.  From a developer point of view, you can't expect that users will have whatever browser etc YOU happen to prefer.

 

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

Quentin, while agree with you, and, while this isn't really related to NVDA as such, as a web-developer myself, one of the first things you take note of is that you have less control over end-user-environment requirements - as in, you can't really control everything about what the user is making use of in terms of OS, software choices, some forms of configuration changes, etc., and, you thus often enough need to try to implement workarounds for sometimes common issues your target market might experience.

 

Like said, not really relevant, but, my one form of a mantra is cross-platform-backward-compatibility. <smile>

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-11-30 23:36, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Depending on the form, it might be worth trying a different browser.  I just tried that test form in Chrome and it read the "Portfolio", "photo" etc labels, as well as that it was required etc.

 

Aria support is something we're working on improving.

 

Kind regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

That's what am saying - think you might need to, in fact implement something using HTML5 and javascript/jQuery to set the text contents of a <div /> element that's set to have a role of alert, and, an aria-live attribute value of assertive, or something.

Or else, try educate the end-user on the prior parts of the page so they'll know what to expect lower down, or somethhing?

Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-11-30 22:18, Snahendu Bhattacharya wrote:

Thanks Jacob!

 

I tried the example provided by you. But no luck in Mozilla. It doesn't spell out the field label.

 

Snahendu Bhattacharya

 

On 30 November 2016 at 15:04, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, seems like NVDA doesn't take note of assigned aria and other attributes - check out this example page:

http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/sample-accessibility/05-forms/input-file.html

 

Try jumping/navigating to file upload buttons, and, they'll just be announced as buttons, and, think this page is trying to make use of various labelling options - I also tried a few aria-specific attributes here on my side, and, no-go.

 

Form of workaround might be to fire an event when those elements take focus, and, use jQuery to do something like set the text contents of a division that's role is marked as alert, to thus try notify NVDA, and other screen readers about the role of that form field?

 

Stay well

 

Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-11-30 21:44, Snahendu Bhattacharya wrote:

 

Hi All!

I am facing some issue while trying to access the <input type="file">element using a Screen reader like NVDA with Firefox.

The Screen reader doesn't announce the label of the field. In stead it only speaks the BROWSE button.

This is the form control never read by Screen Reader hence the user doesn't understand what is the field is all about.



Can somebody help me to understand the accessibility experience of this field?

--

Snahendu Bhattacharya

 

 

 

 

 

 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
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--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 

 


Re: Possibility of supporting Microsoft Equation?

Quentin Christensen
 

Ideally, we'd like to be able to support this.  I know we've run into problems attempting to read math equations in Word.  For now, only equations using MathType / MathPlayer by Design Science are readable.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 12:03 AM, Supanut Leepaisomboon <supanut2000@...> wrote:

Hi list,

I'm really glad that NVDA has finally supported reading math symbols, namely math symbols created using MathType. But I wonder, will NVDA be able to natively read and edit equations and symbols created from Microsoft Equation Editor in future releases? That would be nice if NVDA could support reading math out of the box, without having to install any additional software.




--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVDA & Microsoft Word Forms #msftaccessibility

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Brian,

Interestingly, when I first opened this document, and it opened in protected mode, it DID read out that teacher / grade field that had focus.  When I enabled editing, closed the file and reopened it, for some reason it didn't want to read properly at all.  Next try, and it behaved just as you noted.  Reading the current line (NVDA+up arrow / NVDA+l for laptop) did identify the field as well as tab then shift+tab.

When I was writing the Microsoft Word with NVDA module, I gave up on forms because they behave so inconsistently - between versions of Word and as I encountered this morning, even with exactly the same document on the same machine (I'm using Office 2016 btw).

I wonder if Microsoft aren't trying to kill off Word forms, given that they are next to impossible for the average user to even find - you have to go into Word options, edit the ribbon and enable the developer ribbon.  Only then do you have access to the form fields to add to the document.  I found I could navigate around your form with its legacy controls ok.  When I tried using the ActiveX controls I forget now, but I could move between some controls but not others easily or reliably (I'd need to go back to my notes to double check).

Regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:49 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Hello All,

          The following discussion is in regard to how NVDA is working with this Microsoft Word Template:  BusNote.dotx.  When you open it in Word you get a form on which you can simply fill in various text fields and checkboxes.  I have developed it with status bar text which is announced when you land in a given checkbox or text field and the same announcement can be repeated using F1.  For those who have experience developing MS-Word form templates, I am using the legacy controls, not the active X controls, for the various text fields and checkboxes.

           When NVDA is running, and I open this template in MS-Word, I can see that focus is indeed on the first field, which is the "Teacher and or Grade" text box.  However, NVDA does not announce this as its initial landing position.  If I tab forward to the next field, Student Name, that gets announced and SHIFT+TAB back to the "Teacher and or Grade" field gets that one announced, too.

            Is this an NVDA bug, possibly, or is there something I'd need to do to the form such that the field on which NVDA has focus when it's opened for filling in is correctly announced?

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Re: File Upload Form Field Accessibility

Jacob Kruger
 

For me, in firefox, it just tells me it's a browse button, but, using opera, which uses chrome, it tells me the descriptions for the upload fields.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
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On 2016-12-01 21:41, Snahendu Bhattacharya wrote:

Hi Brian!

Please check the below link in Mozilla turning NVDA on, if it reads the label of the field.

http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/sample-accessibility/05-forms/input-file.html


On Dec 1, 2016 6:34 AM, "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:
Did I not see some comments on the dev list about such problems in browsers generally, maybe its just one of those visual only things like onmouseup etc. Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Snahendu Bhattacharya" <snahendu@...>
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Subject: Re: [nvda] File Upload Form Field Accessibility


Thanks Jacob!

I tried the example provided by you. But no luck in Mozilla. It doesn't
spell out the field label.

Snahendu Bhattacharya

On 30 November 2016 at 15:04, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, seems like NVDA doesn't take note of assigned aria and
other attributes - check out this example page:

http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/sample-accessibility/05-forms/input-file.html


Try jumping/navigating to file upload buttons, and, they'll just be
announced as buttons, and, think this page is trying to make use of various
labelling options - I also tried a few aria-specific attributes here on my
side, and, no-go.


Form of workaround might be to fire an event when those elements take
focus, and, use jQuery to do something like set the text contents of a
division that's role is marked as alert, to thus try notify NVDA, and other
screen readers about the role of that form field?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-11-30 21:44, Snahendu Bhattacharya wrote:


Hi All!

I am facing some issue while trying to access the <input type="file">element
using a Screen reader like NVDA with Firefox.

The Screen reader doesn't announce the label of the field. In stead it
only speaks the BROWSE button.

This is the form control never read by Screen Reader hence the user
doesn't understand what is the field is all about.


Can somebody help me to understand the accessibility experience of this
field?

--

Snahendu Bhattacharya













Re: File Upload Form Field Accessibility

Quentin Christensen
 

Oh you're right.  I was thinking from a user perspective, it's worth having a couple of browsers on hand for troublesome websites.  From a developer point of view, you can't expect that users will have whatever browser etc YOU happen to prefer.

On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 7:44 AM, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

Quentin, while agree with you, and, while this isn't really related to NVDA as such, as a web-developer myself, one of the first things you take note of is that you have less control over end-user-environment requirements - as in, you can't really control everything about what the user is making use of in terms of OS, software choices, some forms of configuration changes, etc., and, you thus often enough need to try to implement workarounds for sometimes common issues your target market might experience.


Like said, not really relevant, but, my one form of a mantra is cross-platform-backward-compatibility. <smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-11-30 23:36, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Depending on the form, it might be worth trying a different browser.  I just tried that test form in Chrome and it read the "Portfolio", "photo" etc labels, as well as that it was required etc.

Aria support is something we're working on improving.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
That's what am saying - think you might need to, in fact implement something using HTML5 and javascript/jQuery to set the text contents of a <div /> element that's set to have a role of alert, and, an aria-live attribute value of assertive, or something.

Or else, try educate the end-user on the prior parts of the page so they'll know what to expect lower down, or somethhing?

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-11-30 22:18, Snahendu Bhattacharya wrote:
Thanks Jacob!

I tried the example provided by you. But no luck in Mozilla. It doesn't spell out the field label.

Snahendu Bhattacharya

On 30 November 2016 at 15:04, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, seems like NVDA doesn't take note of assigned aria and other attributes - check out this example page:

http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/sample-accessibility/05-forms/input-file.html


Try jumping/navigating to file upload buttons, and, they'll just be announced as buttons, and, think this page is trying to make use of various labelling options - I also tried a few aria-specific attributes here on my side, and, no-go.


Form of workaround might be to fire an event when those elements take focus, and, use jQuery to do something like set the text contents of a division that's role is marked as alert, to thus try notify NVDA, and other screen readers about the role of that form field?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-11-30 21:44, Snahendu Bhattacharya wrote:


Hi All!

I am facing some issue while trying to access the <input type="file">element using a Screen reader like NVDA with Firefox.

The Screen reader doesn't announce the label of the field. In stead it only speaks the BROWSE button.

This is the form control never read by Screen Reader hence the user doesn't understand what is the field is all about.


Can somebody help me to understand the accessibility experience of this field?

--

Snahendu Bhattacharya








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: NVAccess podcast:

Kevin Cussick
 

it is a shame, they used to do it each time a new version was dew. but it is very infrequent now.

On 01/12/2016 05:02, Kenny Peyattt jr. wrote:
Hi when will NVAccess be recording a podcast on nvda?



Kenny Peyatt jr.




Re: File Upload Form Field Accessibility

Jacob Kruger
 

Quentin, while agree with you, and, while this isn't really related to NVDA as such, as a web-developer myself, one of the first things you take note of is that you have less control over end-user-environment requirements - as in, you can't really control everything about what the user is making use of in terms of OS, software choices, some forms of configuration changes, etc., and, you thus often enough need to try to implement workarounds for sometimes common issues your target market might experience.


Like said, not really relevant, but, my one form of a mantra is cross-platform-backward-compatibility. <smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-11-30 23:36, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Depending on the form, it might be worth trying a different browser.  I just tried that test form in Chrome and it read the "Portfolio", "photo" etc labels, as well as that it was required etc.

Aria support is something we're working on improving.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Dec 1, 2016 at 8:11 AM, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:
That's what am saying - think you might need to, in fact implement something using HTML5 and javascript/jQuery to set the text contents of a <div /> element that's set to have a role of alert, and, an aria-live attribute value of assertive, or something.

Or else, try educate the end-user on the prior parts of the page so they'll know what to expect lower down, or somethhing?

Stay well

Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-11-30 22:18, Snahendu Bhattacharya wrote:
Thanks Jacob!

I tried the example provided by you. But no luck in Mozilla. It doesn't spell out the field label.

Snahendu Bhattacharya

On 30 November 2016 at 15:04, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, seems like NVDA doesn't take note of assigned aria and other attributes - check out this example page:

http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/sample-accessibility/05-forms/input-file.html


Try jumping/navigating to file upload buttons, and, they'll just be announced as buttons, and, think this page is trying to make use of various labelling options - I also tried a few aria-specific attributes here on my side, and, no-go.


Form of workaround might be to fire an event when those elements take focus, and, use jQuery to do something like set the text contents of a division that's role is marked as alert, to thus try notify NVDA, and other screen readers about the role of that form field?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2016-11-30 21:44, Snahendu Bhattacharya wrote:


Hi All!

I am facing some issue while trying to access the <input type="file">element using a Screen reader like NVDA with Firefox.

The Screen reader doesn't announce the label of the field. In stead it only speaks the BROWSE button.

This is the form control never read by Screen Reader hence the user doesn't understand what is the field is all about.


Can somebody help me to understand the accessibility experience of this field?

--

Snahendu Bhattacharya








--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: File Upload Form Field Accessibility

Snahendu Bhattacharya
 

Hi Brian!

Please check the below link in Mozilla turning NVDA on, if it reads the label of the field.

http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/sample-accessibility/05-forms/input-file.html


On Dec 1, 2016 6:34 AM, "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:
Did I not see some comments on the dev list about such problems in browsers generally, maybe its just one of those visual only things like onmouseup etc. Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Snahendu Bhattacharya" <snahendu@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] File Upload Form Field Accessibility


Thanks Jacob!

I tried the example provided by you. But no luck in Mozilla. It doesn't
spell out the field label.

Snahendu Bhattacharya

On 30 November 2016 at 15:04, Jacob Kruger <jacob@...> wrote:

Unfortunately, seems like NVDA doesn't take note of assigned aria and
other attributes - check out this example page:

http://maxdesign.com.au/jobs/sample-accessibility/05-forms/input-file.html


Try jumping/navigating to file upload buttons, and, they'll just be
announced as buttons, and, think this page is trying to make use of various
labelling options - I also tried a few aria-specific attributes here on my
side, and, no-go.


Form of workaround might be to fire an event when those elements take
focus, and, use jQuery to do something like set the text contents of a
division that's role is marked as alert, to thus try notify NVDA, and other
screen readers about the role of that form field?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger

Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2016-11-30 21:44, Snahendu Bhattacharya wrote:


Hi All!

I am facing some issue while trying to access the <input type="file">element
using a Screen reader like NVDA with Firefox.

The Screen reader doesn't announce the label of the field. In stead it
only speaks the BROWSE button.

This is the form control never read by Screen Reader hence the user
doesn't understand what is the field is all about.


Can somebody help me to understand the accessibility experience of this
field?

--

Snahendu Bhattacharya