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NVDA2016.4 issue on Windows 10 Anniversary Update

 

Hi all,

I just updated my laptop to Windows 10 Aniversary Update along with NVDA to the new 2016.4 release, and I'm having one issue. When in universal apps, even the settings app, NVDA won't read any characters that I typed, for instance into the Settings app's search field, but when I pressed the backspace key, NVDA reads the deleted character just fine. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling NVDA, running NVDA as admin, still no luck.

Is this a NVDA bug?


Re: Donating During Update

Gene
 

I just checked further.  If you use the letter r, each item will be read individually.  If you up and down arrow, the entire list of donations will be read from where you are to the end every time you down arrow.  This, obviously should be changed.  So the page can be significantly improved in that way.  The reason I didn't hafve this problem is because I had use screen layout if supported turned off in my NVDA.  If this is the setting used, down arrowing works properly.  Just one more reason to have this setting off by default.  My recollection is that is on by default.  That's a really bad default setting.  New or inexperienced users won't even know such a setting exists. 
 
It might still be worth considering having a page explaining the use of radio buttons, as I suggested in a previous message.  But new or unknowledgeable users should have the most web pages presented in the most useable manner and that is to have use screen layout if supported off by default.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 5:42 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donating During Update

Thanks for raising this, I'll look into it.

Kind regards

Quentin

On 16 Dec. 2016 10:09 pm, "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes this has been a bit odd for some time. Somebody told me that you can sort it a bit by changing the way the page is shown to you in one of the settings, but I forgot which one now.
You should be ok if you are careful as you cannot spend anything until the end in any case.
I'll be doing mine when I get a quiet period, indeed I was never asked at update time so I'll need to do it via the menu in any case.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donating During Update


I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an simplified.

On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options   unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are initially read out as a single strihng  which is a little overwhelming and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.
To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.
It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.
More importantly on a couple of occasion  this has meant I have checked the wrong amount when trying to donate  and again on my system once a check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.

This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I genuinely wanted to donate.

The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor down and hear each donation option as a separate option  with a clear safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page read out.
My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.
Just a suggestions.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10






Re: Donating During Update

Gene
 

I don't see how this part of the page could be improved.  The only thing that might be useful would be to have a link in the introductory material telling users that if they want information working with radio buttons, since they are used in the form, to follow this link.  On the page the link leads to, would be explanatory material and a return to form link or previous page link or whatever the designers want to call it.
You imply that you can't down arrow.  The only way that is occurring, assuming things are working correctly on your machine, is if you are doing something to go into forms mode.  Stop reading when you get to that part of the page with control.  Then down arrow through the items.  You don't have to be in forms mode.  When you get to the radio button you want, press the space bar on it.  The amount is above the radio button if you down arrow.  You may hear the amount twice, as a line of text above the radio button and when you are on the radio button.  These are not check boxes.  Pay careful attention to the announcement of structures on unfamiliar web pages and in unfamiliar interfaces such as dialogs everywhere.  You can't uncheck radio buttons by repeating the action that checked them.  The only way to uncheck a radio button is to check another one.  Radio buttons are used instead of check boxes because with check boxes, more than one could be accidentally checked. 
 
If you have trouble efficiently getting to things and working with things on Internet pages in general and you want to use the Internet efficiently and well, I would urge you to work through a good Internet tutorial that emphasizes web page navigation and working with forms. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----

I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an simplified.

 

On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options   unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are initially read out as a single strihng  which is a little overwhelming and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.

To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.

It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.

More importantly on a couple of occasion  this has meant I have checked the wrong amount when trying to donate  and again on my system once a check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.

 

This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I genuinely wanted to donate.

 

The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor down and hear each donation option as a separate option  with a clear safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page read out.

My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude  and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.

Just a suggestions.

 

David Griffith

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 



cloud OCR

Devin Prater
 

Hi all. Has anyone noticed that the Cloud OCR addon has stopped working? Is there, now, a better solution than the addon made in 2011 or so?
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Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

 

whats the system requirements for nvda 2017.1?
i am realy curious about it and the new features and changes of nvda.

On 12/16/16, Gerardo Corripio <gera1027@...> wrote:
Yes just updated my copy of NVDA to 2016.4 and working just great!
Thanks for making available a free screen reader for those in
less-developped countries where the luxury of the competition is way too
expensive to use as needed and not (you know what i mean).

El 16/12/2016 06:30 a.m., Mário Navarro escribió:



Hi
I want to thank you for all that NV Access and collaborators have done
for all the blind in the world.
God bless and give you years of healthy life.
You are the best in this world.
Thank you and congratulations for another excellent NVDA release!
Thank you!
Cheers.


Às 01:26 de 16/12/2016, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2016.4 Now Available

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2016.4 of NVDA, the
free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, has now been released.

Highlights of this release include improved support for Microsoft
Edge; browse mode in the Windows 10 Mail app; and significant
improvements to NVDA’s dialogs.

See the full release announcement and download link for #nvdasr
2016.4 at: http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4-now-available/
<http://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nvaccess.org%2Fpost%2Fnvda-2016-4-now-available%2F&h=QAQEFYvVwAQEgvZeQY9NX5kAYJ8X98Z6ZBXHfRkFOiX-BnA&enc=AZP2-ASs3Us4H4VLyIVukfll1eAFodxp1wsttuyefcfhBhml_MUwh8Q2IysLjDG-ocYl6s0H9UOk6pu7ByhyJ9QxagLqZDfkwxAm8jp12hI5GqkIFRn8GBxPDzvwU8VbvEha2sjRVDd5ShzT3p8aNWjsbq2HHgtzxHGsBgz9Mo7igaf7zGjwfGl4w9AUvlzOUQ3-I70S-AVidKJWtzvt1QPR&s=1>


Kind regards


Quentin.


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Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

Gerardo Corripio
 

Yes just updated my copy of NVDA to 2016.4 and working just great! Thanks for making available a free screen reader for those in less-developped countries where the luxury of the competition is way too expensive to use as needed and not (you know what i mean).

El 16/12/2016 06:30 a.m., Mário Navarro escribió:

       


Hi
I want to thank you for all that NV Access and collaborators have done for all the blind in the world.
 God bless and give you  years of healthy life.
You are the best in this world.
Thank you and congratulations for another excellent NVDA release!
Thank you!
Cheers.


Às 01:26 de 16/12/2016, Quentin Christensen escreveu:
Hi everyone,

NVDA 2016.4 Now Available

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2016.4 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, has now been released.

Highlights of this release include improved support for Microsoft Edge; browse mode in the Windows 10 Mail app; and significant improvements to NVDA’s dialogs.

See the full release announcement and download link for #nvdasr 2016.4 at: http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4-now-available/


Kind regards


Quentin.


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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: NVDA and icloud.com

Chris
 

The only thig I can suggest is to view the files in the icloud drive folder on your pc

The folder should be in your c:\users\yourprofile\icloud drive

 

 

And yes the web interface is in accessible

 

Good luck

 


Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

Mário Navarro
 

       


Hi
I want to thank you for all that NV Access and collaborators have done for all the blind in the world.
 God bless and give you  years of healthy life.
You are the best in this world.
Thank you and congratulations for another excellent NVDA release!
Thank you!
Cheers.


Às 01:26 de 16/12/2016, Quentin Christensen escreveu:

Hi everyone,

NVDA 2016.4 Now Available

NV Access is pleased to announce that version 2016.4 of NVDA, the free screen reader for Microsoft Windows, has now been released.

Highlights of this release include improved support for Microsoft Edge; browse mode in the Windows 10 Mail app; and significant improvements to NVDA’s dialogs.

See the full release announcement and download link for #nvdasr 2016.4 at: http://www.nvaccess.org/post/nvda-2016-4-now-available/


Kind regards


Quentin.


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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

 

I use to play around with the Next snapshot branch, but kind of stopped as on my desktop I don't use NVDA very often and I don't really want to use beta/alpha builds of NVDA on my laptop as I'm using that one for college and so I want only stable builds.

What features/enhancements I can look forward to for the 2017.1 release?


Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

 

quentin,
may i ask something?
send my regard and best wishes to your team also and say that i pray
for you and your team in my five times daily obligatory praying
specially in recitation of chapter hamd from the holy Quran and qunoot
of my praying.

On 12/16/16, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
No indeed and I tend to get mine not from the actual rc produced for the
masses but from the snapshots page.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Kwork" <istherelife@...>
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 3:28 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr


and you could have been using it for a few weeks now as the rc (release
candidate) is always the nearly final version, and not much, if anything
changes between the rc and the final. No need to be afraid of rc versions.
They don't bite.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Supanut Leepaisomboon
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr


Finally! I've been waiting for months for this release!





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Re: Donating During Update

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks for raising this, I'll look into it.

Kind regards

Quentin

On 16 Dec. 2016 10:09 pm, "Brian's Mail list account" <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes this has been a bit odd for some time. Somebody told me that you can sort it a bit by changing the way the page is shown to you in one of the settings, but I forgot which one now.
You should be ok if you are careful as you cannot spend anything until the end in any case.
I'll be doing mine when I get a quiet period, indeed I was never asked at update time so I'll need to do it via the menu in any case.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donating During Update


I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an simplified.

On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options   unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are initially read out as a single strihng  which is a little overwhelming and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.
To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.
It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.
More importantly on a couple of occasion  this has meant I have checked the wrong amount when trying to donate  and again on my system once a check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.

This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I genuinely wanted to donate.

The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor down and hear each donation option as a separate option  with a clear safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page read out.
My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.
Just a suggestions.

David Griffith

Sent from Mail for Windows 10






Re: anti virus suggestion?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well I don't think anything is going to somebody who does not take care online with obvious precautions like not clicking links in emails from fake addresses and spam etc and indeed dodgy content like free music downloads here type of thing, where the great ransomware hacked html code resides for the unwary and greedy.

If your friend can be got to a point where its not going to actually ask for malware then Microsofts msse is very good and simple.Avg can work well but it seems to slow things up and to my mind keeps plonking warnings up and some are not very easy to interact with. A typical case of a program written by a committee!


The biggest dangers as I'm sure you know are trojans and ransom ware just now, the rest can be found with stand alone scanners like malwarbytes etc every few weeks, but if you keep any financial info on your computer or need it to survive you most certainly do not want trojans or ransomware, and most certainly don't pay them as few get their machines decrypted as they have no incentive once they have your money in their account.
Shrug and reformat.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Kingett" <@blindjourno>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 11:13 AM
Subject: [nvda] anti virus suggestion?


so my friend is a trojan horse manet and an adware magnet. when I could see some I had avast on her computer. she is very low tech so had no idea about changing the avast settings and making boot time scans, ETC, so now that I am totally blind is there an antivirus program anyone could suggest that is fully accessible with NVDA? she also says she will not upgrade to windows 10 because change bad! :) any suggestions for windows 7?


Re: changing the function key

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

Not really so true.


If my FN-key is pressed, and I hit letters J, K and L, they act as Numpad 1, 2 and 3 - and so forth. That means, the FN-key taped, you could not even write a normal text. Turning off the Numlock, which would be something like FN-F8, things would go even more crazy, as now the letters would work as Object-operators in NVDA.


In very short terms, taping the FN-key, is the least effecient way of all. Sorry.




On 12/15/2016 11:02 PM, Gene wrote:
As I understand it, the problem you describe won't occur.  When the fn key is down, it is equivalent to it being up under traditional operation.  I haven't heard that the effect of this change is limited to specific keys.  Indeed, I heard someone say, on another list, that they couldn't use alt f4 under this change because f4 was being treated as a function key combination.  As far as restart is concerned, I have no idea if there will be any effect. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] changing the function key

Also the problem with taping the key down, is that for any other keys that use Fn+key combinations, they will always act as if the key was down.  it also might not register properly when the machine restarts.  It sounds like it would be worth getting sighted help to get into the bios and change this setting once and for all.  At least, once it's done you can just use the PC normally again.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Robert,

          I know of no way to change this on HP hardware without going into either UEFI or BIOS (depending on the age of the machine).  This feature is known as Action Keys.  My laptop had this enabled and I promptly disabled via the BIOS settings under UEFI.  Under UEFI it's in the BIOS settings, System Configuration settings and is enabled if you have to hit Fn in order for the function key to act like a function key, not perform the function shown on its icon.

          There are some brands that have a way to do this via the user interface.  I can't find any for HP.  Here's a link to their support page giving details on how to turn it off via BIOS for machines from the straight BIOS era.  It's virtually identical under UEFI once you know where to look, which I mentioned above.
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Re: changing the function key

Rui Fontes
 

The only company I know allowing to change some BIOS settings bia software is Toshiba...
There are more?

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: David
Data: 16 de dezembro de 2016 11:23
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] changing the function key

In case this is of any comfort to you, smile, you are not the only one
to be frustrated about the scenario you experience.


Several months ago, I ended up with a laptop exhibiting the same kind of
issue. That too, was an HP.


I have searched the net, have asked around, and it is all in vain. Only
way I am aware of, is to go into BIOS - and when you have no eyes to
assist you, learn to deal with the new key-layout. Sorry, but even
sighted people complain about the inconveniences caused. And many of
them are either not familiar with BIOS modification, or are afraid to
even consider trying.


Until the day the manufacturers would let us do the swapping of
key-layouts through some kind of accessible software, I am afraid the
shortest answer to your query has already been given, it is a loud and
clear NO. From what I learn, seemingly certain manufacturers have
provided pieces of software to do the swap, but only for their own brand
and models.


OK, one last resort, which I have not tried, but which should work. You
could get hold of a key-remapper. That is, a tiny software that will let
you remap any key, or combination, on your keyboard. You then would have
to remap the FN-combos to work as media-keys, and the normal keys to
work as normal. With some scripting insight, you might be able to build
a small key-remapper yourself. AutoHotkey, script development tool,
might be one such lane to follow. Never worked under python, but if it
can be done there, may be some kind of an idea for an
NVDA addon.


My personal solution, might not be the most adviceable for a normal
budget, but I ended up parking the whole computer, and getting hold of
something that works the good old way.


OK, should I leave you one extra advice? Do you have any computer shop
nearby? If so, try bring your laptop there, and explain to them what you
cannot do due to being blind. Perhaps you even could find the
instructions on how to remedy the situation, on the net, and have them
printed out. Then, ask the personel in the store,if they could please
give you a hand, in changing that one setting in the BIOS. IF they are
anything familiar with computers, it should be possible for them to do
it in less than a minute. Smile nicely, and see if they could do it for you.


It is my understanding, that the modern BIOS setup, is much like most
graphical, mouse-operated screens. So if you have any computer person in
amongst your friends, and you look up the instructions on how to do the
job, even that might be a solution. From what I can read, it is only one
simple setting that needs be changed.


Sorry, I could not be more uplifting on the matter.

On 12/15/2016 8:04 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
Hi all, I had a quick question. On my HP laptop the function keys are
defaulted to their media options, so if I want to hit shift F10, I
have to hit FN shift F10. Is there anyway I can change this without
going into the BIOS? I have no sighted person here to assist me with
the BIOS so is there a work around?



.


Re: changing the function key

David <trailerdavid@...>
 

In case this is of any comfort to you, smile, you are not the only one
to be frustrated about the scenario you experience.


Several months ago, I ended up with a laptop exhibiting the same kind of
issue. That too, was an HP.


I have searched the net, have asked around, and it is all in vain. Only
way I am aware of, is to go into BIOS - and when you have no eyes to
assist you, learn to deal with the new key-layout. Sorry, but even
sighted people complain about the inconveniences caused. And many of
them are either not familiar with BIOS modification, or are afraid to
even consider trying.


Until the day the manufacturers would let us do the swapping of
key-layouts through some kind of accessible software, I am afraid the
shortest answer to your query has already been given, it is a loud and
clear NO. From what I learn, seemingly certain manufacturers have
provided pieces of software to do the swap, but only for their own brand
and models.


OK, one last resort, which I have not tried, but which should work. You
could get hold of a key-remapper. That is, a tiny software that will let
you remap any key, or combination, on your keyboard. You then would have
to remap the FN-combos to work as media-keys, and the normal keys to
work as normal. With some scripting insight, you might be able to build
a small key-remapper yourself. AutoHotkey, script development tool,
might be one such lane to follow. Never worked under python, but if it
can be done there, may be some kind of an idea for an
NVDA addon.


My personal solution, might not be the most adviceable for a normal
budget, but I ended up parking the whole computer, and getting hold of
something that works the good old way.


OK, should I leave you one extra advice? Do you have any computer shop
nearby? If so, try bring your laptop there, and explain to them what you
cannot do due to being blind. Perhaps you even could find the
instructions on how to remedy the situation, on the net, and have them
printed out. Then, ask the personel in the store,if they could please
give you a hand, in changing that one setting in the BIOS. IF they are
anything familiar with computers, it should be possible for them to do
it in less than a minute. Smile nicely, and see if they could do it for you.


It is my understanding, that the modern BIOS setup, is much like most
graphical, mouse-operated screens. So if you have any computer person in
amongst your friends, and you look up the instructions on how to do the
job, even that might be a solution. From what I can read, it is only one
simple setting that needs be changed.


Sorry, I could not be more uplifting on the matter.

On 12/15/2016 8:04 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
Hi all, I had a quick question. On my HP laptop the function keys are
defaulted to their media options, so if I want to hit shift F10, I
have to hit FN shift F10. Is there anyway I can change this without
going into the BIOS? I have no sighted person here to assist me with
the BIOS so is there a work around?



.


Re: Donating During Update

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes this has been a bit odd for some time. Somebody told me that you can sort it a bit by changing the way the page is shown to you in one of the settings, but I forgot which one now.
You should be ok if you are careful as you cannot spend anything until the end in any case.
I'll be doing mine when I get a quiet period, indeed I was never asked at update time so I'll need to do it via the menu in any case.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Griffith" <daj.griffith@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 8:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] Donating During Update


I wonder if the donation page during update could be looked at an simplified.

On Firefox the donation options are not read as discrete options unless you use control keys with arrow keys, and to my deaf ears at leazst it is confusing as all the suggested amounts of donations are initially read out as a single strihng which is a little overwhelming and scary as some of the suggested amounts are pretty considerable.
To my ears at least the check box for the amount is not clear – does it relate to the amount before or after the amount etc.
It is a little anxiety making and does not feel quite safe and the worry is that you are to donate an amount you cannot afford.
More importantly on a couple of occasion this has meant I have checked the wrong amount when trying to donate and again on my system once a check box is check is seems impossible to uncheck it. Pressing space or enter does not seem possible to amend this once it has been entered.

This has twice meant that I have pulled out of the donation page when I genuinely wanted to donate.

The behaviour of the page which would feel safe to me would be to cursor down and hear each donation option as a separate option with a clear safe option to check or uncheck the amount you are committing, rather than only being able to review by hearing whole sections of the page read out.
My inability to complete this page is probably down to my own ineptitude and user error but I would have thought that a donation page at least should be ultra straightforward and easy to complete.
Just a suggestions.

David Griffith

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anti virus suggestion?

 

so my friend is a trojan horse manet and an adware magnet. when I could see some I had avast on her computer. she is very low tech so had no idea about changing the avast settings and making boot time scans, ETC, so now that I am totally blind is there an antivirus program anyone could suggest that is fully accessible with NVDA? she also says she will not upgrade to windows 10 because change bad! :) any suggestions for windows 7?


Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

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No indeed and I tend to get mine not from the actual rc produced for the masses but from the snapshots page.
Brian

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and you could have been using it for a few weeks now as the rc (release candidate) is always the nearly final version, and not much, if anything changes between the rc and the final. No need to be afraid of rc versions. They don't bite.
Travis
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Finally! I've been waiting for months for this release!


Re: NVDA 2016.4 released #nvdasr

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Well you could have use the Master branch, its been mostly stable for a while now.

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Finally! I've been waiting for months for this release!


Re: Reinstalling Windows 10

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Yes but do check the hardware like the drive and connections before you spend loads of time fixing it.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Reinstalling Windows 10



I've got someone to help me fix it. It is just so frustrating when these things happen and you are down for a day until you can get someone to help you.

Doug


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On Dec 15, 2016, at 9:00 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

I don't know enough to advise you about using an accessible reinstallation environment. There are installation environments developed evidently by some blind users that allow you to run enough of Windows from an external source to then reinstall Windows. they also load a screen-reader from their files, as far as I know, NVDA. But I don't know enough about this to tell you more. No one has said anything about this in the discussion. perhaps they will now.

but you will have to be able to boot from whatever medium you are using, such as a thumb drive and I have no idea what sources the computer currently looks at when booting.

gene
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Well you can try a reset, to be honest though it may be time to just
take your box to a shop and ask them to reformat it for you.
I still am a firm believer that a box should run the system it was
designed for for best performance.
So if you ran xp on it it should run that or 7 well you get the picture.
I'd actually be wandering if you either have a virus or something or
simply that your hardwre has issues and it may do.


On 16/12/2016 7:33 a.m., Douglas Lawlor wrote:
Hello Brian,
I would do this if I could, but I cannot use the system at all in it's current state. It is taking minutes for NVDA to respond to a command which should normally take milliseconds. I just don't know what to do here. I've got no sited assistance to help me which makes this problem that much more frustrating.

Doug


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On Dec 15, 2016, at 1:29 PM, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:

Doug,

Have you considered using the Reset function under the Update & Security Settings, Recovery Pane? It wipes the existing Win10 installation and completely reinstalls the operating system but you can choose whether to keep your files (or at least the vast majority of them) or to start with an entirely clean slate. I never resort to an actual clean reinstallation of Windows 10 from external media until and unless a Reset has not solved the problem.
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