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locked Re: well, I guess I shouldn't have expected much

Sarah k Alawami
 

Use brave. It's good foryou. I don't use firefox unless i have to, but I love and use brave every day. It's fast and the add blocker just works.

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On 21 Oct 2020, at 9:25, Shaun Everiss wrote:

Subject says it all.

After all the bad bugs and other messages on the support readit, you'd think waterfox would fix their broken brouser in classic mode but I guess not.

Decided even though changes stated that there were only security updates this round, decided to try the program again.

As soon as I loaded one of my slower loading forums, waterfox froze and nvda had a garbage deleted objects issue where both stacks froze and I had emence trouble getting speech back, let alone narator to work in that state.

I have returned to 08.

Rumor seems to be that they seem to be putting all energies in their 3rd gen engine.

However of more concern is the fact they don't seem to be pulling current performance updates from firefox.

Technically I can stay on 08 for the rest of my life without an issue.

My add and script blockers are probably good enough and I don't leave my brouser open but still for a program with so much prommice its something really stupid and weird going on with this thing.

If there was a way to use classic accessability menus and not fiddle round with the modern  and wacky interface for all the extra addons and such in firefox, I'd switch to that.

Point is I like the classic uncluttered interface but if this continues to break, I may just have to stay here.

Its a pitty  that 2020.08 will be the last working version of waterfox classic for me, but it doesn't seem they are really improving the brouser much.

I'd probably make a fuss on github but I have other things to bother about, the brouser aint one of them and I don't intend it to be.

I am just slightly put off at all this goings on.

I was hoping that things would be better.

Maybe they are but right now I can't use a program that can generate interaction errors and take my reader with it pluss other things.

To be honest if I could find another classic firefox brouser that works without the drama going on or a classic chrome interfaced brouser or simply a simple classic brouser I may switch.

But some shops on chrome and others seem to be missing out decimal points in prices and I can't find a solution to have these read right and know waterfox handles it ok.


locked well, I guess I shouldn't have expected much

 

Subject says it all.

After all the bad bugs and other messages on the support readit, you'd think waterfox would fix their broken brouser in classic mode but I guess not.

Decided even though changes stated that there were only security updates this round, decided to try the program again.

As soon as I loaded one of my slower loading forums, waterfox froze and nvda had a garbage deleted objects issue where both stacks froze and I had emence trouble getting speech back, let alone narator to work in that state.

I have returned to 08.

Rumor seems to be that they seem to be putting all energies in their 3rd gen engine.

However of more concern is the fact they don't seem to be pulling current performance updates from firefox.

Technically I can stay on 08 for the rest of my life without an issue.

My add and script blockers are probably good enough and I don't leave my brouser open but still for a program with so much prommice its something really stupid and weird going on with this thing.

If there was a way to use classic accessability menus and not fiddle round with the modern  and wacky interface for all the extra addons and such in firefox, I'd switch to that.

Point is I like the classic uncluttered interface but if this continues to break, I may just have to stay here.

Its a pitty  that 2020.08 will be the last working version of waterfox classic for me, but it doesn't seem they are really improving the brouser much.

I'd probably make a fuss on github but I have other things to bother about, the brouser aint one of them and I don't intend it to be.

I am just slightly put off at all this goings on.

I was hoping that things would be better.

Maybe they are but right now I can't use a program that can generate interaction errors and take my reader with it pluss other things.

To be honest if I could find another classic firefox brouser that works without the drama going on or a classic chrome interfaced brouser or simply a simple classic brouser I may switch.

But some shops on chrome and others seem to be missing out decimal points in prices and I can't find a solution to have these read right and know waterfox handles it ok.


locked Re: Exporting NVDA features to Orca

 

I'm not going to lock this topic, because to my mind it is NVDA related.  But, it's NVDA-related in a way not really suited to an end user venue like this one.

As bizarre as it may seem, I'd advise you to take this to the Chat Subgroup, where there are no topic restrictions (within the realm of decency) and where a long and complicated conversation about the "under the hood" bits involved in such an effort can be discussed at length, and with as many members from the group as are interested in working on such an effort involved.

I'd move this topic there if I could, but Groups.io does not offer a mechanism to do so.

I suspect that there is a small, but significant, minority of the membership who might take a keen interest in an effort such as this.  For those that don't, and are already members of the Chat Subgroup, that's what the "Mute this Topic" link at the end of messages is for.
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Re: lion OCR addon

Peter Beasley
 

What does it actually do?

 

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From: Josh Kennedy
Sent: 21 October 2020 14:54
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] lion OCR addon

 

here is the link for the latest version of lion live OCR. 
https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon

 


Re: lion OCR addon

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

How does one activate the add-on?


Hettie


On 2020/10/21 3:53 pm, Josh Kennedy wrote:
here is the link for the latest version of lion live OCR. 
https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon



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locked Re: Exporting NVDA features to Orca

John J. Boyer
 

For example, specifying line and page lengths, better handling of websites.

Orca has many fewer developers than NVDA, but since they are both written in Python much code could be copied without great alterations.
They are both under the GPL (GNU General Public license).
John

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 09:38:45AM -0400, Andy B. wrote:
What ones?


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 9:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Exporting NVDA features to Orca

Hello,

I hope the moderator will excuse this slightly off-topic message.
I want to improve the Orca screenreader for Linux by exporting NVDA features
to it. Some have already been exported. I wish to continue this work.
If you are also interested please contact me offlist at
John.boyer@abilitiessoft.org

Thanks,
John

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Re: lion OCR addon

Josh Kennedy
 

here is the link for the latest version of lion live OCR. 
https://blindieconnect.net/files/lion-latest.nvda-addon


Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, they are.


Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 14:18 de 21/10/2020, David Goldfield escreveu:

Well, my copy of the Eloquence/Vocalizer voices allows for two versions, embedded pro, which is smaller in size, and embedded high. The embedded pro voices sound a bit like the compact voices. Are they actually different from those voices?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 10/21/2020 4:51 AM, Socheat Muth wrote:

Hmm. Can't see them listed here. Maybe I'm missing something. Only the premium and premium high are listed.

On 10/21/2020 10:45 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Actually, the Eloquence/Vocalizer NVDA voices from Code Factory are supplied with both the compact as well as the higher quality Vocalizer voices.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 10/20/2020 11:29 PM, Socheat Muth wrote:
It depends on what Vocalizer voices you are purchasing from. If you buy the one from Tiflotecnia, they have both the compact voices and premium voices. But if you buy the vocalizer from Code Factory, the only voices that available to you are premium voices only.

On 10/21/2020 1:27 AM, Daniel McGee wrote:
It is because I have a hearing impairment. This is why I prefer  compact versions. I'm only seeing the normal versions of the vocalizer expressive voices and not the compact ones.

On 20 Oct 2020, at 17:24, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...> wrote:

I personally don't know why people like the compact voices.  To me,
they sound like complete crap and are all full of static.  I've got
Daniel on my computer and could use him with NVDA if I wanted.  I have
the scansoft version of him using SAPI5.  However, he isn't my
favorite voice.  He sounds very arrogant and snobbish at least to me.
But to each their own.  Good luck.

On 10/20/20, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley@...> wrote:
You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever
other voices you need to use


From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

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locked Re: Exporting NVDA features to Orca

Andy B.
 

What ones?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John J. Boyer
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 9:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Exporting NVDA features to Orca

Hello,

I hope the moderator will excuse this slightly off-topic message.
I want to improve the Orca screenreader for Linux by exporting NVDA features
to it. Some have already been exported. I wish to continue this work.
If you are also interested please contact me offlist at
John.boyer@abilitiessoft.org

Thanks,
John

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Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM
services
that are available at no cost


locked Exporting NVDA features to Orca

John J. Boyer
 

Hello,

I hope the moderator will excuse this slightly off-topic message.
I want to improve the Orca screenreader for Linux by exporting NVDA features to it. Some have already been exported. I wish to continue this work.
If you are also interested please contact me offlist at
John.boyer@abilitiessoft.org

Thanks,
John

--
John J. Boyer
Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org
website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org
Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live.
Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA
Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services
that are available at no cost


Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

David Goldfield
 

Well, my copy of the Eloquence/Vocalizer voices allows for two versions, embedded pro, which is smaller in size, and embedded high. The embedded pro voices sound a bit like the compact voices. Are they actually different from those voices?

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 10/21/2020 4:51 AM, Socheat Muth wrote:

Hmm. Can't see them listed here. Maybe I'm missing something. Only the premium and premium high are listed.

On 10/21/2020 10:45 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Actually, the Eloquence/Vocalizer NVDA voices from Code Factory are supplied with both the compact as well as the higher quality Vocalizer voices.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 10/20/2020 11:29 PM, Socheat Muth wrote:
It depends on what Vocalizer voices you are purchasing from. If you buy the one from Tiflotecnia, they have both the compact voices and premium voices. But if you buy the vocalizer from Code Factory, the only voices that available to you are premium voices only.

On 10/21/2020 1:27 AM, Daniel McGee wrote:
It is because I have a hearing impairment. This is why I prefer  compact versions. I'm only seeing the normal versions of the vocalizer expressive voices and not the compact ones.

On 20 Oct 2020, at 17:24, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...> wrote:

I personally don't know why people like the compact voices.  To me,
they sound like complete crap and are all full of static.  I've got
Daniel on my computer and could use him with NVDA if I wanted.  I have
the scansoft version of him using SAPI5.  However, he isn't my
favorite voice.  He sounds very arrogant and snobbish at least to me.
But to each their own.  Good luck.

On 10/20/20, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley@...> wrote:
You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever
other voices you need to use


From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

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Re: control+f - The General Purpose Find Command in Windows

Hettie <woehler.hettie@...>
 

Please do not take away this shortcut as it is important and essential when fonts descriptions is needed.


Hettie


On 2020/10/20 2:02 pm, John Sanfilippo wrote:
I have two wishes concerning NVDA control F: 1, That it change to just NVDA f, I never use that. 2, That they do away with having to press Enter when search not found. O, and #, that it makes a sound and wraps to the top again.



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Re: control+f - The General Purpose Find Command in Windows

John Sanfilippo
 

Ok, leave the assigned key alone. But #2, bag the OK prompt, and #3 make a sound and wrap to top I think would greatly improve what we have.

John S


Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

Socheat
 

Hmm. Can't see them listed here. Maybe I'm missing something. Only the premium and premium high are listed.

On 10/21/2020 10:45 AM, David Goldfield wrote:
Actually, the Eloquence/Vocalizer NVDA voices from Code Factory are supplied with both the compact as well as the higher quality Vocalizer voices.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 10/20/2020 11:29 PM, Socheat Muth wrote:
It depends on what Vocalizer voices you are purchasing from. If you buy the one from Tiflotecnia, they have both the compact voices and premium voices. But if you buy the vocalizer from Code Factory, the only voices that available to you are premium voices only.

On 10/21/2020 1:27 AM, Daniel McGee wrote:
It is because I have a hearing impairment. This is why I prefer  compact versions. I'm only seeing the normal versions of the vocalizer expressive voices and not the compact ones.

On 20 Oct 2020, at 17:24, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...> wrote:

I personally don't know why people like the compact voices.  To me,
they sound like complete crap and are all full of static.  I've got
Daniel on my computer and could use him with NVDA if I wanted.  I have
the scansoft version of him using SAPI5.  However, he isn't my
favorite voice.  He sounds very arrogant and snobbish at least to me.
But to each their own.  Good luck.

On 10/20/20, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley@...> wrote:
You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever
other voices you need to use


From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

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win10 20h2 installation notes

 

Hi all.

Note for those that have installed this and it works, after reading the bug reports there seemed to be no showstoppers so I installed this manually.

Here are notes.

Firstly you will need to set the multitasking to how you want.

You also will need to reinstall virtual midi synth because the device will not show up in windows device manager.

For any recording program such as virtual recorder you may have to set your microphone because it may be unset.

You will need to reinstall all screen reader display drivers if they don't do that on startup because things may not work till you do.

A reminder to deactivate and activate your synths like vocaliser and eloquence.

A reminder to also deauthorise and reauthorise itunes before and after you update else you will have a ghost machine.

To get to classic system properties for now go to start and search for create a restore point, hit enter on that and then hit left and right arrow and adjust as you see fit.

At one point, I guess someone will have to make a list of all the classic control panels, where they are and commands to run.

There are some on the net, sysdm.cpl is system, and mmsys.cpl is sound.

so yeah, unless microsoft delete the files for control panel right now its possible to run the interfaces, all we need is someone to create an app with all the classic control panels in it and we can run that like that as well as use settings.


Bugs/ regressions.

The biggest issue is system restore.

At least in my system, system restore was turned off and I had to turn it back on.

Windows griped about html and pdf causing errors and defaulting them back to their programs of origin, however when I checked the files out after running the programs they were set right so not sure about those.

Audio on realtech cards is slightly quieter at half volume but it sounds a little nicer now at least.

Little was changed, and no extras needed installing.

One last thing, for those that use resilio, in your windows.old folder under windows, system32 config, systemprofile and appdata roaming there is a folder called resilio sync service.

its important you transfer this to system32 in windows config, systemprofile and put it in the appdata roaming folder else you will lose all your path links

On this amd system, fans will spike then suddenly drop for no reason, and I have had at least 1 explorer crash after brousing folders in device manager and a few large file folders and had to restart explorer but so far not much.

Other users have not noticed the update.

For those with amd systems, the latest display driver according to the change log has fixed most of what was left of the majority of the show stopping issues with amd displays.

The biggest for us is youtube playback.

The only other issue to report is that the build ships with edge chromium 84 as well as older components and ll will need to be updated.

I have no idea why microsoft actually did this.

And just before I go, I will be on holiday for 3 days next week, so if I respond to something I shouldn't or seem out of touch its because I am, as I will be shutting down all technology and going away with my radio, recorder and a basic phone  to forget about the world for a little bit.


Re: lion OCR addon

Quentin Christensen
 

I'm not familiar with Lion Live OCR, do you have a link please?


On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 3:36 PM Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

Hi,

The lion live OCR addon is not working with NVDA 2020.3. Does anyone know why? Or does this addon need to be updated?

 

Josh

 

 

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lion OCR addon

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

The lion live OCR addon is not working with NVDA 2020.3. Does anyone know why? Or does this addon need to be updated?

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

David Goldfield
 

Actually, the Eloquence/Vocalizer NVDA voices from Code Factory are supplied with both the compact as well as the higher quality Vocalizer voices.

David Goldfield,
Blindness Assistive Technology Specialist
JAWS Certified, 2019

WWW.DavidGoldfield.org
On 10/20/2020 11:29 PM, Socheat Muth wrote:

It depends on what Vocalizer voices you are purchasing from. If you buy the one from Tiflotecnia, they have both the compact voices and premium voices. But if you buy the vocalizer from Code Factory, the only voices that available to you are premium voices only.

On 10/21/2020 1:27 AM, Daniel McGee wrote:
It is because I have a hearing impairment. This is why I prefer  compact versions. I'm only seeing the normal versions of the vocalizer expressive voices and not the compact ones.

On 20 Oct 2020, at 17:24, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@...> wrote:

I personally don't know why people like the compact voices.  To me,
they sound like complete crap and are all full of static.  I've got
Daniel on my computer and could use him with NVDA if I wanted.  I have
the scansoft version of him using SAPI5.  However, he isn't my
favorite voice.  He sounds very arrogant and snobbish at least to me.
But to each their own.  Good luck.

On 10/20/20, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley@...> wrote:
You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever
other voices you need to use


From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

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Re: Buying Compact vocalizer voices

Socheat
 

It depends on what Vocalizer voices you are purchasing from. If you buy the one from Tiflotecnia, they have both the compact voices and premium voices. But if you buy the vocalizer from Code Factory, the only voices that available to you are premium voices only.

On 10/21/2020 1:27 AM, Daniel McGee wrote:
It is because I have a hearing impairment. This is why I prefer compact versions. I'm only seeing the normal versions of the vocalizer expressive voices and not the compact ones.

On 20 Oct 2020, at 17:24, Joshua Hendrickson <louvins@gmail.com> wrote:

I personally don't know why people like the compact voices. To me,
they sound like complete crap and are all full of static. I've got
Daniel on my computer and could use him with NVDA if I wanted. I have
the scansoft version of him using SAPI5. However, he isn't my
favorite voice. He sounds very arrogant and snobbish at least to me.
But to each their own. Good luck.

On 10/20/20, Chris via groups.io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
You get all voices available to you to use including Daniel and whatever
other voices you need to use


From: Daniel McGee
Sent: 20 October 2020 16:29
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Buying Compact vocalizer voices

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Re: Microsoft Edge

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Don


There are 2 for edge and one is for the new chromium one.

Which one did you use as there are different directions for both.


I just had a quick look at the tutorial for setting a home page in the new chromium browser.


It looks as though when you go into the settings  now you hear tree view  so you have to arrow down to the on startup menu then press the enter key then the tab key.


When the next page comes up you then need to arrow down the page the directions are still the same to set a home page..


I can look and amend if needed in the next few days.


Gene nz

On 21/10/2020 9:43 am, Don H wrote:
Sorry to say your tutorial meems to be out of date as I can not follow your instructions to set the home page.

On 10/20/2020 3:18 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Don


is it for the old edge or the new one? I have both on the website at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html <http://www.accessibilitycentral.net/nvda%20tutorials%20for%20other%20programs.html>

When you go to the page jump down by headings until you you get to those tutorials on edge.


Hope it helps.


Gene nz


On 21/10/2020 9:07 am, Don H wrote:
Wanting to make the leap to Edge.  Are there any good tutorials to help me get started?  For example can't figure out how to set the home or start up page.














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