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Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

 

On Sat, Dec 26, 2020 at 08:42 AM, Scott Berry wrote:
Go check it out that's the only way you will learn
-
Amen to that!  And since you can download a 30-day trial at the ViewPlus Page for Tiger Software Suite 7, you have absolutely nothing to lose.

The best way to determine if something is accessible, or at least "accessible enough for what I need it for," is to play with it yourself.
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[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

Ali Savas
 

Hi,

I had to make the experience so far that the tiger software suite is
somehow usable, but I would not speak of accessible here yet. Actually
very sad, considering that the target group is actually the blind users.

Regards
Ali


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

Scott Berry <sb356607@...>
 

Go check it out that's the only way you will laearn Josh.

On 12/25/2020 5:32 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
hi,

Is tiger software sweet the software used by the tiger braille embossers along with Microsoft word is it accessible with screen readers such as or NVDA? I am considering saving money and getting the basic configuration of the braille buddy embosser. But first I would like to know if the tiger software suite is accessible or not. I would probably just be using it with braille blaster, perky duck, and perhaps Microsoft office once I buy the home version.
Sent from my iPhone




Re: anyone willing to look into NVDA and Zara Radio?

 

Hi,
If you hear percentage tones while a file is playing, chances are that it represents audio volume. At this stage, I won't worry about that until we hear from Zara developers.
Cheers,
Jsoeph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] anyone willing to look into NVDA and Zara Radio?

I can try to write them again, thank you for that detailed explanation. I actually wrote the developers a month or more ago, so this was plenty of time for them to respond. Even with the accessibility issues, it's still a viable replacement for Station Playlist. There are several things I can't do with Zara, but I've found, sometimes by accident, workarounds for most as described below:
1. The default playlist mode is repeat, when most of the time I want it in normal. This is easily dealt with by adding a stop command to the end of the playlist.
2. Adding jingles, these can't be added to the jingles portion as described in the manual, but what you could do is add that track to the playlist, then making sure the playlist is stopped so it doesn't play when you don't want it to, then pressing control+P when the item is selected will effectively do the same thing as the jingles.
3. Using the event scheduler, this is the only thing I haven't been able to find a viable workaround for, and if your station doesn't require a timed ID at the top of the hour, it's not a huge deal.
Joseph, did you try playing audio to figure out what those percentages it keeps speaking are and how to keep NVDA from endlessly speaking them? That's the other big annoyance.

On 12/24/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
At least the interface looks promising (testing Zara Radio 1.6 free
edition). The biggest issue might be that, despite being a program
that uses a toolkit known for good interface accessibility, there's no
label for controls and keyboard navigation is incomplete.
Technical: it uses wxWidgets, a toolkit that's known for great
accessibility (wxWidgets is the same toolkit that powers NVDA's own
graphical interface, so we already have proof of its potential). If
keyboard accessibility and labels issues are solved, it can serve as a
viable and low-cost alternative to StationPlaylist Studio.
For reference, here's how I tested Zara Radio:
1. Download Zara Radio from: https://www.zarastudio.es/download.php
2. Installed Zara Radio.
3. Once Zara Radio loads, I used Tab key to navigate around the interface.
4. I used object navigation (NvDA+Numpad arrows in desktop layout) to
look at its interface, along with using screen review to look at its layout.
5. I opened Python Console to find out the window class name for the
foreground object, and it turned up a common window class name used by
wxWidgets applications. This is more than enough to tell me about the
accessibility potential.
6. I then moved to both unlabeled lists and pressed NVDA+F1 to obtain
developer info for these lists, and they are SysListView32 lists.
Among other things, it will allow you to use table navigation commands
to examine tracks and what not. This is the same approach used in
StationPlaylist add-on, although in the case of SPL, I had to force
NVDA to treat playlists as SysListView32 items in order to enable table navigation commands.
Bob indicates that he wrote to developers with no reply; or rather, I
think folks won't respond until January. Come January, if Bob doesn’t
get an answer from the developers, let us know so someone from the
NVDA community can write to developers and copy NV Access in the
process. If developers are willing to work with screen reader users,
that's great, otherwise we can at least convince them about the
viability of their software for blind broadcasters. Only if developers
are unwilling to listen to screen reader users should the community
consider writing an app module and package it as an add-on in order to
highlight lack of accessibility (hopefully that can serve to persuade
some developers to change their minds and collaborate with us). In
other words, it isn't really NVDA's fault, but more towards the app that can see some improvements.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob
Cavanaugh
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] anyone willing to look into NVDA and Zara Radio?

I tried to contact them to ask a few questions as to how to do things
when I first installed the program, but I never heard back. Many of
the accessibility bugs I've found workarounds for, the event scheduler
is probably the biggest one there doesn't seem to be an accessible way
to access at the moment.

On 12/24/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you contacted the developer and shown them via video if possible
what is and is not accessible? this would be a good start if you did
not do this already.

--

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On 24 Dec 2020, at 16:00, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Can anyone look into NVDA with Zara Radio? They have a paid version
and a free version, which is the one I have. There are three things
I'd like taken a look at:
1. Apparently, there are buttons at the bottom of the window for
scheduling events, adding jingles, changing the playlist mode, and a
couple other things I can't remember at the moment, but there seems
to be no way to access them with conventional navigation methods.
Can anyone try to use object navigation to try and access these
buttons and then walk me through how to do it?
2. When playing and the Zara window has focus, NVDA speaks an
endless series of percentages. Can a change be made so that these
aren't spoken?
3. When working with the playlist, there are actually two lists,
neither of which are read by NVDA. I can see what is in them, but
using NVDA I don't know what they are. I can't remember what System
Access reads for the first one if it is empty, but if there are
elements in it and a length is available, it actually reads the
length. When tabbing, System Access also reads that the second list
is the upcoming events list. Can a change be made in NVDA so that it
reads these things?
Bob
















Re: anyone willing to look into NVDA and Zara Radio?

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I can try to write them again, thank you for that detailed
explanation. I actually wrote the developers a month or more ago, so
this was plenty of time for them to respond. Even with the
accessibility issues, it's still a viable replacement for Station
Playlist. There are several things I can't do with Zara, but I've
found, sometimes by accident, workarounds for most as described below:
1. The default playlist mode is repeat, when most of the time I want
it in normal. This is easily dealt with by adding a stop command to
the end of the playlist.
2. Adding jingles, these can't be added to the jingles portion as
described in the manual, but what you could do is add that track to
the playlist, then making sure the playlist is stopped so it doesn't
play when you don't want it to, then pressing control+P when the item
is selected will effectively do the same thing as the jingles.
3. Using the event scheduler, this is the only thing I haven't been
able to find a viable workaround for, and if your station doesn't
require a timed ID at the top of the hour, it's not a huge deal.
Joseph, did you try playing audio to figure out what those percentages
it keeps speaking are and how to keep NVDA from endlessly speaking
them? That's the other big annoyance.

On 12/24/20, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi all,
At least the interface looks promising (testing Zara Radio 1.6 free
edition). The biggest issue might be that, despite being a program that uses
a toolkit known for good interface accessibility, there's no label for
controls and keyboard navigation is incomplete.
Technical: it uses wxWidgets, a toolkit that's known for great accessibility
(wxWidgets is the same toolkit that powers NVDA's own graphical interface,
so we already have proof of its potential). If keyboard accessibility and
labels issues are solved, it can serve as a viable and low-cost alternative
to StationPlaylist Studio.
For reference, here's how I tested Zara Radio:
1. Download Zara Radio from: https://www.zarastudio.es/download.php
2. Installed Zara Radio.
3. Once Zara Radio loads, I used Tab key to navigate around the interface.
4. I used object navigation (NvDA+Numpad arrows in desktop layout) to look
at its interface, along with using screen review to look at its layout.
5. I opened Python Console to find out the window class name for the
foreground object, and it turned up a common window class name used by
wxWidgets applications. This is more than enough to tell me about the
accessibility potential.
6. I then moved to both unlabeled lists and pressed NVDA+F1 to obtain
developer info for these lists, and they are SysListView32 lists. Among
other things, it will allow you to use table navigation commands to examine
tracks and what not. This is the same approach used in StationPlaylist
add-on, although in the case of SPL, I had to force NVDA to treat playlists
as SysListView32 items in order to enable table navigation commands.
Bob indicates that he wrote to developers with no reply; or rather, I think
folks won't respond until January. Come January, if Bob doesn’t get an
answer from the developers, let us know so someone from the NVDA community
can write to developers and copy NV Access in the process. If developers are
willing to work with screen reader users, that's great, otherwise we can at
least convince them about the viability of their software for blind
broadcasters. Only if developers are unwilling to listen to screen reader
users should the community consider writing an app module and package it as
an add-on in order to highlight lack of accessibility (hopefully that can
serve to persuade some developers to change their minds and collaborate with
us). In other words, it isn't really NVDA's fault, but more towards the app
that can see some improvements.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] anyone willing to look into NVDA and Zara Radio?

I tried to contact them to ask a few questions as to how to do things when I
first installed the program, but I never heard back. Many of the
accessibility bugs I've found workarounds for, the event scheduler is
probably the biggest one there doesn't seem to be an accessible way to
access at the moment.

On 12/24/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you contacted the developer and shown them via video if possible
what is and is not accessible? this would be a good start if you did
not do this already.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com)

Check out my [adventures with a shadow
machine.](http://tffppodcast.com/shadow)

to subscribe to the feed click
[here](http://feeds.feedburner.com/tffp)
and you can also [follow us on
twitter](http://twitter.com/tffppodcast)

Our [discord](http://discord.tffppodcast.com) is where you will know
when we go live on [twitch.](http://twitch.tv/ke7zum) Feel free to
give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit [my main lbry
page](http://lbry.tv/@ke7zum) and my [tffp lbry
page](http://lbry.tv/@tffp) You will also be able to buy some of my
products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go
[here](Http://patreon.com/tffppodcast)

On 24 Dec 2020, at 16:00, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Can anyone look into NVDA with Zara Radio? They have a paid version
and a free version, which is the one I have. There are three things
I'd like taken a look at:
1. Apparently, there are buttons at the bottom of the window for
scheduling events, adding jingles, changing the playlist mode, and a
couple other things I can't remember at the moment, but there seems
to be no way to access them with conventional navigation methods. Can
anyone try to use object navigation to try and access these buttons
and then walk me through how to do it?
2. When playing and the Zara window has focus, NVDA speaks an endless
series of percentages. Can a change be made so that these aren't
spoken?
3. When working with the playlist, there are actually two lists,
neither of which are read by NVDA. I can see what is in them, but
using NVDA I don't know what they are. I can't remember what System
Access reads for the first one if it is empty, but if there are
elements in it and a length is available, it actually reads the
length. When tabbing, System Access also reads that the second list
is the upcoming events list. Can a change be made in NVDA so that it
reads these things?
Bob
















Re: NVDA 20.4 beta and Chrome acting flakey

George Kerscher
 

Hello,

 

I followed Jason’s guidance and went back to 20.3, but it did not resolve my issue. I recall I installed the caret browser plug-in to test Hypothesis annotation functions. Once I enabled this, the editing returned to what I normally expect.

 

So not a bug in 20.4 beta.

 

Best

George

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jason White via groups.io
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2020 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA 20.4 beta and Chrome acting flakey

 

 

On 12/25/20 10:25 AM, George Kerscher wrote:

Also, how do I roll back to the previous version?

I've never had to do this, but you could visit nvaccess.com and install 2020.3.

 

 


Re: Advice wanted: Accessible twain document cameras that work with NVDA?

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi.

Many thanks to everyone who responded to this query. There were certainly some very interesting suggestions. I have decided to go with a flatbed scanner for the time being, though I am still on the lookout for a document camera. If I test one, I will of course report back to the list.

Very best wishes,

Mo.


On 21/12/2020 11:33, Milos Przic wrote:
Hello,
Since February I have been using a book scanner. It is an Iris Book scanner. Basically it is a small device, as long as the width of an a4 size paper. You put it on a page and drive it across the page. You can scan the document as a pdf, multi-page pdf or jpg into its memory, but also you can install its software for OCR, which works pretty well with NVDA, coppy a scanned page to clipboard or wherever you want and just read in realtime. It is how I use it, though as I said you can also scan documents on an sd card and then do an OCR with whichever software you want. I use it with its software as I like reading in realtime, because if a page is badly scanned I can just repeat it and read again. Also, for my research assignments, I must go to libraries and stuff so carying the laptop and the scanner, as the Iris one, turned out very practical.
Best,
          Miloš


Re: NVDA not coming through Bluetooth devices

 

Sharni-Lee,

            What follows applies to Bluetooth sound devices generally with Windows 10.  Most often, when you pair and connect a Bluetooth device, Windows then recognizes both its own internal sound card as well as the Bluetooth device, with sound being directed as it had been initially (which is usually to the computer's speakers or a plugged in wired headset).

             If you use Windows Key+B to throw focus to the System Tray, then arrow over to your volume settings, when more than one sound device is active there will be a choice of sound devices, and switching from the built-in Speaker/Headphone option to whatever your Bluetooth device is shifts audio output to that device in many instances (there are times this doesn't work, but it's what I'd try first).  Once the Bluetooth device is selected, the volume slider applies to it.  A word of warning if you are using earbuds or a headset, and have no idea what the computer volume setting is for that Bluetooth device, it's better to keep them somewhere other than right in/on top of your ears when doing the initial switch over.  I have been absolutely blasted on a couple of occasions because my laptop speakers are crap, and need to be turned way up, while the Bluetooth devices are not, and an equal volume used with them is deafeningly loud.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version 20H2, Build 19042  

[Regarding the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case brought by Texas to overturn the votes certified by 4 states:Pleased with the SCOTUS ruling, but also immediately slightly terrified of where this crazy train goes next.  We should know by now there’s a bottomless supply of crazy.

        ~ Brendan Buck, former adviser to Speakers of the House Paul Ryan and John Boehner 

 


NVDA not coming through Bluetooth devices

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

So I got a bluetooth speaker for my birthday, and bluetooth headphones for Christmas. I've gotten the hang of using my speaker, but after the last major Windows Update, NVDA's speech stopped coming through the speaker when it was active. It comes through the computer's speakers instead. I don't really mind this with the speaker, as I use it primarily to listen to music out loud and with NVDA coming through the computer speakers, it doesn't disrupt the enjoyment of my music nearly as much as it can when I'm using normal headphones. However, when I test the Bluetooth headset I got for Christmas, I'll need to either figure out how to get NVDA to transmit through them while they're active, or be ready for a future event where an update may alter the relevant settings. I'm told there are scenarios where you have to change which soundcard NVDA is on, but I don't want to be unable to use NVDA when I power off my headphones.

Could someone explain this process to me? I'm sure someone here has had experience with this kind of issue before.


Re: Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Hi Josh.

Yes, it's accessible. The word add-on certainly is and so is the tiger editor.

Very best wishes,

Mo.

On 25/12/2020 12:32, Josh Kennedy wrote:
hi,

Is tiger software sweet the software used by the tiger braille embossers along with Microsoft word is it accessible with screen readers such as or NVDA? I am considering saving money and getting the basic configuration of the braille buddy embosser. But first I would like to know if the tiger software suite is accessible or not. I would probably just be using it with braille blaster, perky duck, and perhaps Microsoft office once I buy the home version.
Sent from my iPhone




Re: NVDA 20.4 beta and Chrome acting flakey

Jason White
 


On 12/25/20 10:25 AM, George Kerscher wrote:
Also, how do I roll back to the previous version?
I've never had to do this, but you could visit nvaccess.com and install 2020.3.

 



NVDA 20.4 beta and Chrome acting flakey

George Kerscher
 

Hello,

 

With the latest beta, I am having problems with web pages. In GitHub, I found it almost impossible to create an issue and provide a description. It seems to flip to a new location on the page when switching from browse to edit mode.

 

Also, how do I roll back to the previous version?

 

Best

George

 

 

 

George Kerscher Ph.D.

-In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.

Chief Innovations Officer, DAISY Consortium

http://www.daisy.org

Senior Advisor, Global Literacy, Benetech

http://www.benetech.org

President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)

http://www.idpf.org

Member of the National Museum and Library Services  Board (IMLS)

http://www.imls.gov

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http://www.w3.org/WAI

Phone: +1 406/549-4687

Cell:+1 406/544-2466

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Tiger software suite accessibility with NVDA?

Josh Kennedy
 
Edited

hi,

Is tiger software suite the software used by the tiger braille embossers along with Microsoft word is it accessible with screen readers such as or NVDA? I am considering saving money and getting the basic configuration of the braille buddy embosser. But first I would like to know if the tiger software suite is accessible or not. I would probably just be using it with braille blaster, perky duck, and perhaps Microsoft office once I buy the home version.
Sent from my iPhone


Re: LibreOffice Query

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

I don’t know what you mean by “TGeneral Settings”.  I get details of the filename etc when I first enter a spreadsheet and I press f2 then escape to start reading the sheet properly.

 

As you are a a seasoned user, do you know how to prevent Libra Office Calc from truncating trailing zeroes, for example 123.40 is displayed as 123.4 even though the cell is formatted for 2 decimal places.  I have spent hours trying to find a solution but nothing seems to work.

 

Happy Chrismas

Chris

 

From: Ivan pivac
Sent: 25 December 2020 04:35
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] LibreOffice Query

 

Hi Everyone,

 

 

I have been using LibreOffice successfully for a number of years. 

Recently, I have noted that when in a spreadsheet, NVDA begins to

announce automatically the general properties of the file.  The only

method I have found to remedy this is to reset general properties.  I do

suspect that this problem has occurred in the latest version of NVDA. 

Any suggestions how to resolve this issue would be appreciated.  I

haven't found any setting in NVDA to help.

 

 

 

 

Many thanks

 

Ivan

 

 

 

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LibreOffice Query

Ivan pivac
 

Hi Everyone,


I have been using LibreOffice successfully for a number of years.  Recently, I have noted that when in a spreadsheet, NVDA begins to announce automatically the general properties of the file.  The only method I have found to remedy this is to reset general properties.  I do suspect that this problem has occurred in the latest version of NVDA.  Any suggestions how to resolve this issue would be appreciated.  I haven't found any setting in NVDA to help.




Many thanks

Ivan



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Re: Reading highlighted columns in MS word

Vaibhav Saraf
 

Yeah, unfortunately NVDA + F is not reading the correct colors in these cases.


On Fri, 25 Dec 2020 at 08:32, Aravind R <aravind.andhrabank@...> wrote:
Dear team,

I have a word document of my bank, where questions and answers are
listed as a table.
There, answers are highlighted with separate color.
If i press insert+F after making NVDA announce color in document
setting, still its saying default color everywhere.
Is there any way to announce column color alone using NVDA?
Else, i have to depend on sighted to find out correct highlighted answer.

--


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nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

manager
Department of sales
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mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@..., aravind.andhrabank@....
aravind.rajendran@....






Reading highlighted columns in MS word

Aravind R
 

Dear team,

I have a word document of my bank, where questions and answers are
listed as a table.
There, answers are highlighted with separate color.
If i press insert+F after making NVDA announce color in document
setting, still its saying default color everywhere.
Is there any way to announce column color alone using NVDA?
Else, i have to depend on sighted to find out correct highlighted answer.

--


--
--
nothing is difficult unless you make it appear so.

r. aravind,

manager
Department of sales
bank of baroda specialised mortgage store, Chennai.
mobile no: +91 9940369593,
email id : aravind_069@yahoo.com, aravind.andhrabank@gmail.com.
aravind.rajendran@bankofbaroda.co.in.


Re: anyone willing to look into NVDA and Zara Radio?

 

Hi all,
At least the interface looks promising (testing Zara Radio 1.6 free edition). The biggest issue might be that, despite being a program that uses a toolkit known for good interface accessibility, there's no label for controls and keyboard navigation is incomplete.
Technical: it uses wxWidgets, a toolkit that's known for great accessibility (wxWidgets is the same toolkit that powers NVDA's own graphical interface, so we already have proof of its potential). If keyboard accessibility and labels issues are solved, it can serve as a viable and low-cost alternative to StationPlaylist Studio.
For reference, here's how I tested Zara Radio:
1. Download Zara Radio from: https://www.zarastudio.es/download.php
2. Installed Zara Radio.
3. Once Zara Radio loads, I used Tab key to navigate around the interface.
4. I used object navigation (NvDA+Numpad arrows in desktop layout) to look at its interface, along with using screen review to look at its layout.
5. I opened Python Console to find out the window class name for the foreground object, and it turned up a common window class name used by wxWidgets applications. This is more than enough to tell me about the accessibility potential.
6. I then moved to both unlabeled lists and pressed NVDA+F1 to obtain developer info for these lists, and they are SysListView32 lists. Among other things, it will allow you to use table navigation commands to examine tracks and what not. This is the same approach used in StationPlaylist add-on, although in the case of SPL, I had to force NVDA to treat playlists as SysListView32 items in order to enable table navigation commands.
Bob indicates that he wrote to developers with no reply; or rather, I think folks won't respond until January. Come January, if Bob doesn’t get an answer from the developers, let us know so someone from the NVDA community can write to developers and copy NV Access in the process. If developers are willing to work with screen reader users, that's great, otherwise we can at least convince them about the viability of their software for blind broadcasters. Only if developers are unwilling to listen to screen reader users should the community consider writing an app module and package it as an add-on in order to highlight lack of accessibility (hopefully that can serve to persuade some developers to change their minds and collaborate with us). In other words, it isn't really NVDA's fault, but more towards the app that can see some improvements.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bob Cavanaugh
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2020 5:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] anyone willing to look into NVDA and Zara Radio?

I tried to contact them to ask a few questions as to how to do things when I first installed the program, but I never heard back. Many of the accessibility bugs I've found workarounds for, the event scheduler is probably the biggest one there doesn't seem to be an accessible way to access at the moment.

On 12/24/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you contacted the developer and shown them via video if possible
what is and is not accessible? this would be a good start if you did
not do this already.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our
[website.](http://www.tffppodcast.com)

Check out my [adventures with a shadow
machine.](http://tffppodcast.com/shadow)

to subscribe to the feed click
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On 24 Dec 2020, at 16:00, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Can anyone look into NVDA with Zara Radio? They have a paid version
and a free version, which is the one I have. There are three things
I'd like taken a look at:
1. Apparently, there are buttons at the bottom of the window for
scheduling events, adding jingles, changing the playlist mode, and a
couple other things I can't remember at the moment, but there seems
to be no way to access them with conventional navigation methods. Can
anyone try to use object navigation to try and access these buttons
and then walk me through how to do it?
2. When playing and the Zara window has focus, NVDA speaks an endless
series of percentages. Can a change be made so that these aren't
spoken?
3. When working with the playlist, there are actually two lists,
neither of which are read by NVDA. I can see what is in them, but
using NVDA I don't know what they are. I can't remember what System
Access reads for the first one if it is empty, but if there are
elements in it and a length is available, it actually reads the
length. When tabbing, System Access also reads that the second list
is the upcoming events list. Can a change be made in NVDA so that it
reads these things?
Bob







Re: anyone willing to look into NVDA and Zara Radio?

Bob Cavanaugh <cavbob1993@...>
 

I tried to contact them to ask a few questions as to how to do things
when I first installed the program, but I never heard back. Many of
the accessibility bugs I've found workarounds for, the event scheduler
is probably the biggest one there doesn't seem to be an accessible way
to access at the moment.

On 12/24/20, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Have you contacted the developer and shown them via video if possible
what is and is not accessible? this would be a good start if you did not
do this already.

--

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On 24 Dec 2020, at 16:00, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Can anyone look into NVDA with Zara Radio? They have a paid version
and a free version, which is the one I have. There are three things
I'd like taken a look at:
1. Apparently, there are buttons at the bottom of the window for
scheduling events, adding jingles, changing the playlist mode, and a
couple other things I can't remember at the moment, but there seems to
be no way to access them with conventional navigation methods. Can
anyone try to use object navigation to try and access these buttons
and then walk me through how to do it?
2. When playing and the Zara window has focus, NVDA speaks an endless
series of percentages. Can a change be made so that these aren't
spoken?
3. When working with the playlist, there are actually two lists,
neither of which are read by NVDA. I can see what is in them, but
using NVDA I don't know what they are. I can't remember what System
Access reads for the first one if it is empty, but if there are
elements in it and a length is available, it actually reads the
length. When tabbing, System Access also reads that the second list is
the upcoming events list. Can a change be made in NVDA so that it
reads these things?
Bob







Re: anyone willing to look into NVDA and Zara Radio?

Sarah k Alawami
 

Have you contacted the developer and shown them via video if possible what is and is not accessible? this would be a good start if you did not do this already.

--

Sarah Alawami, owner of TFFP. . For more info go to our website.

Check out my adventures with a shadow machine.

to subscribe to the feed click here and you can also follow us on twitter

Our discord is where you will know when we go live on twitch. Feel free to give the channel a follow and see what is up there.

For stream archives, products you can buy and more visit my main lbry page and my tffp lbry page You will also be able to buy some of my products and eBooks there.

Finally, to become a patron and help support the podcast go here

On 24 Dec 2020, at 16:00, Bob Cavanaugh wrote:

Hi all,
Can anyone look into NVDA with Zara Radio? They have a paid version
and a free version, which is the one I have. There are three things
I'd like taken a look at:
1. Apparently, there are buttons at the bottom of the window for
scheduling events, adding jingles, changing the playlist mode, and a
couple other things I can't remember at the moment, but there seems to
be no way to access them with conventional navigation methods. Can
anyone try to use object navigation to try and access these buttons
and then walk me through how to do it?
2. When playing and the Zara window has focus, NVDA speaks an endless
series of percentages. Can a change be made so that these aren't
spoken?
3. When working with the playlist, there are actually two lists,
neither of which are read by NVDA. I can see what is in them, but
using NVDA I don't know what they are. I can't remember what System
Access reads for the first one if it is empty, but if there are
elements in it and a length is available, it actually reads the
length. When tabbing, System Access also reads that the second list is
the upcoming events list. Can a change be made in NVDA so that it
reads these things?
Bob

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