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Does NVDA have a place marker function for web applications?

 



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Re: Sluggish NVDA response

 

hi.
did you try nvda 2016.1?
this version is the best for me without any hang or crash.
i realy wish that know its performance and compatibility with windows ten.
thanks

On 1/19/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Bit hard to be of much help. What is the processor in this device and more
to the point does it have a low power mode which cripples it to save power.

Often these settings are a pain in the rear end.
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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Sluggish NVDA response


I’m running the latest NVDA version on a 3 year old HP desktop. Originally
had 4 GB RAM and the graphics card that came with the PC (probably a pretty

standard graphics card). I’m also running Windows 10 Anniversary edition.
I’ve
upgraded the RAM to 12 GB. My problem is that NVDA is frequently going
silent until I restart it with Control/Alt/n. Also, when I’m doing pretty
basic tasks in MS Word or Excel, NVDA has 5 or 6 second lags between the
time I do a keyboard command and the time I get audio feedback. For example,

when I try to move between ribbon tabs in Word or Excel, I have to wait 5 or

6 seconds before NVDA gives me feedback? Makes it very difficult and
frustrating to get any work done. Any ideas?Thanks.






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Bit hard to be of much help. What is the processor in this device and more to the point does it have a low power mode which cripples it to save power.

Often these settings are a pain in the rear end.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 1:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Sluggish NVDA response


I’m running the latest NVDA version on a 3 year old HP desktop. Originally had 4 GB RAM and the graphics card that came with the PC (probably a pretty standard graphics card). I’m also running Windows 10 Anniversary edition. I’ve upgraded the RAM to 12 GB. My problem is that NVDA is frequently going silent until I restart it with Control/Alt/n. Also, when I’m doing pretty basic tasks in MS Word or Excel, NVDA has 5 or 6 second lags between the time I do a keyboard command and the time I get audio feedback. For example, when I try to move between ribbon tabs in Word or Excel, I have to wait 5 or 6 seconds before NVDA gives me feedback? Makes it very difficult and frustrating to get any work done. Any ideas?Thanks.


Re: Braille n' Speak Synthesizer

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Many years ago, people wrote emulators for hardware, and one was this little device. Its has been many years and many computers since I read this, but maybe the person was meaning this software.
I think originally it ran on Windows 98, so the chances of it working today on modern systems unless somebody has worked on it are, in my opinion rather remote!

Incidentally they also made an emulator for the Ti99/4A computer and its learning games.
Takes me back.

Bit off topic here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Braille n' Speak Synthesizer


I don't want to sound condescending or anything, but you do know you need
an actual Braille 'n Speak to use that right? It is just a driver, the
hardware and the cable are required.

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland <
clgilland07@gmail.com> wrote:

Uh, The Braille 'n Speak is a hardware device. Definitely! definitely
definitely not Sapi.

Chris.


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What is the system it uses? If its sapi it should just work but if its an
oddball one then it will need somebody to write a driver for nvda for it,
much like the pico one for the android voice.
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Subject: [nvda] Braille n' Speak Synthesizer


Is it possible to use this with NVDA? I used the ad-on but it gave me a
hardware error. (I'm not planning on using it regularly, but it's sort
of
neat for nostalgia's sake.)







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Re: Anti virus recommendations

lali
 

Sophos is soo good!

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Re: Accessible Word Processor

The Gamages
 

Hello,
 
I too tried Abiword and found a problem when trying to uninstall it, doing it in the normal way in control panel left the program in the programs folder and in start up, I had to get rid of it by deleting files one at a time, it also put lots of files on my C drive which I had to get rid of. I think there was an option in the program, if the context menu was used, to uninstall, maybe this is a better way of uninstalling, as I don’t have the program now, I can’t check this.
I’m using W10.
 
Best Regards, Jim.
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
 
Hi everyone,
 
I tested AbiWord this morning and indeed, it isn't usable as it stands.  I filed a bug on BugZilla as suggested on the AbiWord homepage (here if anyone is interested: http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13840) and I will advise if I hear anything from the AbiWord developers.
 
Another word processor I tried recently which again uses a custom edit and isn't readable with NVDA is Atlantis: http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/  I came across Atlantis as a word processor which can also export to ePub.  I sent them an e-mail noting the issues I encountered.

If you do try programs and find them to be inaccessible, then do please feel free to contact the developers to raise the issue with them.  As much as we may find it appalling, many developers simply aren't aware and haven't considered screen reader users when developing their programs.  Please do be polite when advising developers of bugs.  If you vent all your frustrations and are aggressive and rude when you contact them, then the developer will be likely to ignore your request.  The best thing to do is politely advise what you are trying to do, what you expect to happen, and what is actually happening.  Also, the more people who report issues to developers, the more notice they are likely to take.  If you are given a bug or issue number or a link to return to the bug, posting it here may enable others to "upvote" it, or confirm that they are also experiencing the same problems so that the developers know it affects more than one user.
 
In any case, I'll let you know if I hear from Atlantis or AbiWord.
 
Kind regards

Quentin.
 
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:36 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi david and all.
yes.
fortunately both openoffice and libreoffice can save documents as html.
also, abiword, which is not accessible by nvda, supports exporting
documents as html!

On 1/18/17, Ejaz Shah <eashah67@...> wrote:
> I have the demo of JAWS 18 and Run HJ Pad is in Utilities - JAWS 18.
>
>
> On 1/16/2017 12:44 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gene,
>>
>>
>> I have a JAWS 16 home edition version.  It is not in that list of
>> tools.  I don't know if the full version demo would have it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/16/2017 2:17 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> It likely still is available.  You can run it whether you are running
>>> JAWS or not.  It is in the JAWS menu which you open in the all
>>> programs menu.  There is an item that says run HJ Pad.  I don't know
>>> how the abilities of H J Pad compare with JARTE.  But H J Pad is
>>> based on the old menu version of Wordpad.  At least it was.  It has a
>>> spell checker, which Word Pad doesn't.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 16, 2017 12:33 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> I started a new thread on this because I accidentally deleted the
>>> original 'accessible word processor' thread.  In any case, I don't know
>>> if this is still valid or not and it also depends on just what you want
>>> to use your slimmed down and very accessible Word Processor software
>>> for.  IN the old days, you used to get a small program with a spell
>>> checker called HJ Pad when you installed a copy of JAWS (yes I know it's
>>> one of our competitors.)  This little package was totally accessible,
>>> had a spell checker and would save in text or RTF as I recall. It used
>>> to be available--even if you only had a demo of JAWS. I don't know
>>> whether this is true any more, but 5 years ago, it was so.  I wonder if
>>> anyone has tried installing the newest demos and seeing if they still
>>> include HJ Pad and seeing if it still works after 40 minutes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Anti virus recommendations

 

Msse and windows defender are now going cloud based so windows defender is upgrading to cloud like sophos.
I have malware bytes for those that do stupid things.
For me I have a lot more passive than active protections.
unchecky for boxes, noscript, ublock, privacy badger, https everywhere and beter privacy for firefox and chrome.
most of the addons bar better privacy and noscript are on all the systems I maintain.
Better privacy because not much uses flash and its a bit complex.
Noscript because while it can work you need to spend time making a profile as you go of sites you visit, eventually if you like something you can allow it through but if it works don't bother, its how I have handled add filled sites like livejournal and mediafire.
Its also good for not trusting add servers at facevalue, ie google analitics.
I will gladly add as much passive protection as I can, active stuff uses more resource than passive.
In fact the only thing that could get me into trouble is something I download or if I don't clear my junk files which in fact I do.

On 19/01/2017 5:15 p.m., coffeekingms@hotmail.com wrote:
hi

I Agree, MSE is a good first step. It's good enough for most people,
especially now that it's built into windows 10. I'd go so far as to say
it's good enough for nearly all cases, unless your company you work for
mandates you use some other program. Of course there are other options,
like avast, and avira, but avast was completely inaccessible the last
time I tried it. To be completely honest though, this was several years
ago before I found out about MSE. Avira might or might not be usable but
both it and avast bug the hell out of you to get you to upgrade to the
paid version, and I find that annoying. I also supplement windows
defender, since I run windows 10 with periodic scans using clam anti
virus on linux, but I would only recommend that to someone who already
uses or plans to try linux, it's not something a novice windows user
should do, since it means learning a new OS and not everyone is willing
to do that.

Just my two cents

Kendell Clark



On 1/18/2017 9:19 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
I would say Microsoft security essentials is accessible, fully. I can
tell you what programs are certainly not fully accessible, though!

avast. not accessible.

AVG. somewhat accessible.

There is an open source one that is accessible but is no longer being
updated. sorry, tat is all I got! I can't remember the name. darn!



Re: Antivirus recommendations

 

Which is the problem, even if they say they are aware its doubtable they will care to do much of anything and if they do it could change.
How does ms do it with msse.
True they have changed in their windows 10 latest to a universal but microsoft seems to be working to make stuff accessible for all right now.
Apple didit, android is working on it.
Then why can't others follow their example?
It seems that bar the gaming industry's large companies, security is being stuborn.

On 19/01/2017 4:37 p.m., Merv Keck wrote:
Hi,
Kaspersky Internet Security is very accessible. With the exception of the installer. There are work arounds for that which David I believe does address in his review. However, I like to prepare myself, as well as those with whom I interact, for a worst case scenario such as the need for a clean install.
Therefore, I will say that KIS 17 is very good and very accessible except for the installer. I, and others, have spoken with people at various levels of customer service and technical hierarchies. And they are very aware of screen readers. Still, the installer is still not accessible after several years of talking.
Their solution is to pay them to remote in to each machine and install whatever Kaspersky product we desire. My solution was to pay Geek Squad $100 for a year of tech support on 3 machines. And that included Kaspersky Internet Security free. And if I need it they will remote in on three machines and install it free. So far I have been lucky enough to not need it but I am glad I have it as an option.
And as an added bonus, in December Geek Squad pushed 2017 to all the machines in my house that were running 2016 so I did not need to do a thing.
I have tested Kaspersky Internet Security with several screen readers including NVDA and Jaws. The only real issue besides the installer is a module called Safe Money which I could not use with either screen reader. It was a secure way of surfing on the web. But the screen readers seemed to conflict with this module and I had to disable it. However, that is an entirely defend thread.
Hope that helps.
Merv


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti virus recommendations

The open source antivirus program you might be referring to could be Clamwin. I used it many years ago. It did seem rather accessible but those who know me will know that we need to consider the program's overall ability to protect us as much as, if not more, than its level of screen reader accessibility.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

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WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 1/18/2017 10:19 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
I would say Microsoft security essentials is accessible, fully. I can
tell you what programs are certainly not fully accessible, though!

avast. not accessible.

AVG. somewhat accessible.

There is an open source one that is accessible but is no longer being
updated. sorry, tat is all I got! I can't remember the name. darn!









Re: Anti virus recommendations

 

You know, there is an article or several at http://technology.jaredrimer.net
All on this issue.
The main blogger aggrees with me.
Most of the antimalware, intrusion protection, antivirus, and other so called security software is simply not accessable, though some of it may be at the current time.
For myself if it was just me, I'd buy something my issue is that I have several users, that can't afford cash, I could technically handle sophos I suppose but these users don't want to be bogged down with computer errors.
They don't get the same time as I do and or enjoy what the network has to offer.
In other words, while I have set as much to automate, they should get monthly or bymonthly updates.
I service their workstations and server units once a year just after christmas.
I have a couple days to defrag hdds, update existing software, run antimalware and kill software, fix user issues, and other things.
As well as fixing their clicking stuff they think was genuine and not clicking stuff that was.
Its not enough to really secure a system with a 1-2 day window.
Especially since its one week in a year and it needs to be working perfectly.
Msse means that for the most part I can have my cake and eat it.
If I could ownly know that whatever I chose would stay in ratings, continued to be accessible and would not cause major issues I'd go to that in a heartbeat.
Oh and if it was low work to service and either had a free or lifetime subscription for up to 5-10 units, and not to many false positives.
These users are busy people they don't have time to talk to me all the time and they want their units to work.
While sophos may fit the bill what happens if it dropps off ratings or changes interface, etc.
In short I am vary much suspecting that security software companies are ignoring our small userbase.
After using msse I found babysitting security software is a big issue and now I don't have to do it well.
I have blogged and other such things, and before you start owning my ass as a lot of you seem to do, you tell me how we can get these guys to do something in general.
We have no cash to force the law and I am really not sure if that will even help.
There is no reason for them for example to be not inaccessible.
There are off the shelf libraries that incorperate screen readers at their core.
One of them is tolque which teamtalk's qt interface uses.
Granted teamtalk was accessible in the first place, but there are enough libs and stuff out there that if they didn't want to write an addon for jaws they could probably get away with doing that.
What can we do to ensure that programs use standard controls.
We almost have some sort of rating system and database of inaccessible programs and accessible ones and reviews of those.
I am still not convinced that that would even help.
Its been a stumbling block for a long, long time.
I won't go into details that site has all the details.
You have heard me once and you hear me again, it is a rant into the fires of nothingness.
As threats come up, this gets discussed with no change in site.
Even when those at avast told us they would get us past the capchas they had that wasn't really the point.
Its why we have to have programs to crack captchas just to get the stupid things to work.
And if we can get past those others can.
On the other hand in most cases audio captchas including recaptcha have got a little better and in fact some can even be played back unlimited times at least more than twice or so and be downloadable as simple mp3 files.
For me a security program should have a simple menu or web page interface similar to old avg or msse.
One tab for scan, one for quarenteen, one tab for settings and one for protection.
You could even put protection in settings.
You could put quarenteen in a history of everything tab.
So 2-3 tabs and its simple.
Maybe an update tab, 4 tabs.
Its all you need if you can't be bothered.
Either that or we need some way to have an accessible interface to the net to run some sort of cloud system where you don't have to touch the software similar to sophos but can run it offline in an on demand mode if you wish.
I have issues submitting to much online in the background if you don't have to.
Its another part of your privacy gone, pluss it wastes bandwidth and thats quite important with costs like they are.

On 19/01/2017 4:19 p.m., Robert Kingett wrote:
I would say Microsoft security essentials is accessible, fully. I can
tell you what programs are certainly not fully accessible, though!

avast. not accessible.

AVG. somewhat accessible.

There is an open source one that is accessible but is no longer being
updated. sorry, tat is all I got! I can't remember the name. darn!


.


Re: Anti virus recommendations

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


From 2004 until 2010, Trend Micro Internet Security was very accessible. In 2011, they changed their interface from a standard menu system to an HTML type web interface. The problem is they used non standard coding for their HTML, so things like checking check boxes, clicking buttons and opening combo boxes simply wouldn't work. You could see everything, but could not interact with most things. I haven't checked this software out since 2011. Has anyone else done so since and has there been any improvements since then?


I was working as a private beta tester for Freedom Scientific and I actually tried working with tech support at Trend Micro on and off for several weeks. Their tech support people were located in the Philippines and communication was difficult. They kept saying the issue would be addressed, but it never was back then.


Any information would be greatly appreciated.

On 1/18/2017 10:38 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
Unfortunately, the accessible programs are not the best. what about forks of clamwin? I am also thinking of one called casperskee but that is not 100% accessible. It can be used with a little time and patience. The latest installer is not accessible so you would need to teamviewer with someone sighted.


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Re: Anti virus recommendations

Quentin Christensen
 

Thanks everyone!

David, I had seen that review you did and pointed several people to it, I'd forgotten about that!

Gene, thanks for the link to your site, I'll have a look through that now.

Personally, I also use Defender under Windows 10, but it doesn't offer as much in earlier versions of Windows I believe, so it's good to have a few other resources available.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

hi Quentin


A while ago a list was put together on programs that work with NVDA. it is broken up into different sections and comes off my website at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda_road_tested_programs.html

The list gets added to.


I do not think there is a wicki page for this sort of accessible programs for nvda that I know of apart from the one that was put together.


The anti virus stuff is under the anti malware section.


That page also has not been linked to the guide section as i already have some pages linked to it and this is off the website.


It hopefully guides the new user towards software that has been tested already by a few in the community.

Plus there is other stuff that will help the new user only for a desktop for nvda users and with there selves.



Gene nz



On 19/01/2017 2:27 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

There have been a couple of threads on the list lately about Anti-virus programs, and what different people do and don't recommend.  I thought this might be a good time to collate ONLY the recommendations for accessible anti-virus programs in one place.  I know a couple of people have suggested Sophos.  Has anyone found any other anti-virus programs for which the current version definitely is accessible?

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: Accessible Word Processor

Quentin Christensen
 

AbiWord is made by a group of developers.  From their website: "Like most Open Source projects, AbiWord started as a cathedral, but has become more like a bazaar. AbiWord is part of a larger project known as AbiSource, which was started by the SourceGear Corporation. The goal of the project was the development of a cross-platform, Open Source office suite beginning with AbiWord, the project's word processor.

SourceGear released the source code to AbiWord and a developer community quickly formed around the project. SourceGear has since then stopped working on the project.

The developer community has since then continued to make improvements and increase the quality of AbiWord. Version 1.0 was released in April 2002, followed by Version 2.0 in September 2003, 2.2 in December 2004 and 2.4 in September 2005."


http://www.abisource.com/information/about/


The latest windows compiled download is 2.8.6, which appears to be dated 2010.  The source download though goes up to 3.0.2 which appears to be dated October 2016: http://www.abisource.com/downloads/abiword/




On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 2:16 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:

Hi, Quentin,

 

I take it that Abiword is a mozilla product? I haven't heard of it.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor

 

Hi everyone,

 

I tested AbiWord this morning and indeed, it isn't usable as it stands.  I filed a bug on BugZilla as suggested on the AbiWord homepage (here if anyone is interested: http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13840) and I will advise if I hear anything from the AbiWord developers.

 

Another word processor I tried recently which again uses a custom edit and isn't readable with NVDA is Atlantis: http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/  I came across Atlantis as a word processor which can also export to ePub.  I sent them an e-mail noting the issues I encountered.


If you do try programs and find them to be inaccessible, then do please feel free to contact the developers to raise the issue with them.  As much as we may find it appalling, many developers simply aren't aware and haven't considered screen reader users when developing their programs.  Please do be polite when advising developers of bugs.  If you vent all your frustrations and are aggressive and rude when you contact them, then the developer will be likely to ignore your request.  The best thing to do is politely advise what you are trying to do, what you expect to happen, and what is actually happening.  Also, the more people who report issues to developers, the more notice they are likely to take.  If you are given a bug or issue number or a link to return to the bug, posting it here may enable others to "upvote" it, or confirm that they are also experiencing the same problems so that the developers know it affects more than one user.

 

In any case, I'll let you know if I hear from Atlantis or AbiWord.

 

Kind regards


Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:36 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi david and all.
yes.
fortunately both openoffice and libreoffice can save documents as html.
also, abiword, which is not accessible by nvda, supports exporting
documents as html!

On 1/18/17, Ejaz Shah <eashah67@...> wrote:
> I have the demo of JAWS 18 and Run HJ Pad is in Utilities - JAWS 18.
>
>
> On 1/16/2017 12:44 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gene,
>>
>>
>> I have a JAWS 16 home edition version.  It is not in that list of
>> tools.  I don't know if the full version demo would have it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/16/2017 2:17 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> It likely still is available.  You can run it whether you are running
>>> JAWS or not.  It is in the JAWS menu which you open in the all
>>> programs menu.  There is an item that says run HJ Pad.  I don't know
>>> how the abilities of H J Pad compare with JARTE.  But H J Pad is
>>> based on the old menu version of Wordpad.  At least it was.  It has a
>>> spell checker, which Word Pad doesn't.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 16, 2017 12:33 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> I started a new thread on this because I accidentally deleted the
>>> original 'accessible word processor' thread.  In any case, I don't know
>>> if this is still valid or not and it also depends on just what you want
>>> to use your slimmed down and very accessible Word Processor software
>>> for.  IN the old days, you used to get a small program with a spell
>>> checker called HJ Pad when you installed a copy of JAWS (yes I know it's
>>> one of our competitors.)  This little package was totally accessible,
>>> had a spell checker and would save in text or RTF as I recall. It used
>>> to be available--even if you only had a demo of JAWS. I don't know
>>> whether this is true any more, but 5 years ago, it was so.  I wonder if
>>> anyone has tried installing the newest demos and seeing if they still
>>> include HJ Pad and seeing if it still works after 40 minutes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>
>


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DictationBridge 1.0 public beta released

 

Hi all,

 

If you came to NVDACon International 2016, you may have heard about a project called DictationBridge, an add-on package that allows you to hear feedback as you dictate text and perform NVDA commands via Dragon Naturally Speaking. The people behind that project announced that the first public beta of DictationBridge is now available:

http://dictationbridge.com/2017/01/18/dictation-bridge-public-beta-now-available/

 

Note that this is under active testing. Bug reports are welcome, as noted by the project website. To file bugs with the NVDA add-on, you need to have a GitHub account.

 

Happy testing.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Anti virus recommendations

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi Quentin


A while ago a list was put together on programs that work with NVDA. it is broken up into different sections and comes off my website at http://accessibilitycentral.net/nvda_road_tested_programs.html

The list gets added to.


I do not think there is a wicki page for this sort of accessible programs for nvda that I know of apart from the one that was put together.


The anti virus stuff is under the anti malware section.


That page also has not been linked to the guide section as i already have some pages linked to it and this is off the website.


It hopefully guides the new user towards software that has been tested already by a few in the community.

Plus there is other stuff that will help the new user only for a desktop for nvda users and with there selves.



Gene nz



On 19/01/2017 2:27 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi everyone,

There have been a couple of threads on the list lately about Anti-virus programs, and what different people do and don't recommend.  I thought this might be a good time to collate ONLY the recommendations for accessible anti-virus programs in one place.  I know a couple of people have suggested Sophos.  Has anyone found any other anti-virus programs for which the current version definitely is accessible?

Kind regards

Quentin.

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Re: Anti virus recommendations

coffeekingms@hotmail.com
 

hi

I Agree, MSE is a good first step. It's good enough for most people,
especially now that it's built into windows 10. I'd go so far as to say
it's good enough for nearly all cases, unless your company you work for
mandates you use some other program. Of course there are other options,
like avast, and avira, but avast was completely inaccessible the last
time I tried it. To be completely honest though, this was several years
ago before I found out about MSE. Avira might or might not be usable but
both it and avast bug the hell out of you to get you to upgrade to the
paid version, and I find that annoying. I also supplement windows
defender, since I run windows 10 with periodic scans using clam anti
virus on linux, but I would only recommend that to someone who already
uses or plans to try linux, it's not something a novice windows user
should do, since it means learning a new OS and not everyone is willing
to do that.

Just my two cents

Kendell Clark

On 1/18/2017 9:19 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
I would say Microsoft security essentials is accessible, fully. I can
tell you what programs are certainly not fully accessible, though!

avast. not accessible.

AVG. somewhat accessible.

There is an open source one that is accessible but is no longer being
updated. sorry, tat is all I got! I can't remember the name. darn!


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Re: Antivirus recommendations

Merv Keck
 

Hi,
Kaspersky Internet Security is very accessible. With the exception of the installer. There are work arounds for that which David I believe does address in his review. However, I like to prepare myself, as well as those with whom I interact, for a worst case scenario such as the need for a clean install.
Therefore, I will say that KIS 17 is very good and very accessible except for the installer. I, and others, have spoken with people at various levels of customer service and technical hierarchies. And they are very aware of screen readers. Still, the installer is still not accessible after several years of talking.
Their solution is to pay them to remote in to each machine and install whatever Kaspersky product we desire. My solution was to pay Geek Squad $100 for a year of tech support on 3 machines. And that included Kaspersky Internet Security free. And if I need it they will remote in on three machines and install it free. So far I have been lucky enough to not need it but I am glad I have it as an option.
And as an added bonus, in December Geek Squad pushed 2017 to all the machines in my house that were running 2016 so I did not need to do a thing.
I have tested Kaspersky Internet Security with several screen readers including NVDA and Jaws. The only real issue besides the installer is a module called Safe Money which I could not use with either screen reader. It was a secure way of surfing on the web. But the screen readers seemed to conflict with this module and I had to disable it. However, that is an entirely defend thread.
Hope that helps.
Merv

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Goldfield
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 10:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Anti virus recommendations

The open source antivirus program you might be referring to could be Clamwin. I used it many years ago. It did seem rather accessible but those who know me will know that we need to consider the program's overall ability to protect us as much as, if not more, than its level of screen reader accessibility.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 1/18/2017 10:19 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
I would say Microsoft security essentials is accessible, fully. I can
tell you what programs are certainly not fully accessible, though!

avast. not accessible.

AVG. somewhat accessible.

There is an open source one that is accessible but is no longer being
updated. sorry, tat is all I got! I can't remember the name. darn!



Re: Anti virus recommendations

 

Unfortunately, the accessible programs are not the best. what about forks of clamwin? I am also thinking of one called casperskee but that is not 100% accessible. It can be used with a little time and patience. The latest installer is not accessible so you would need to teamviewer with someone sighted.


Re: Anti virus recommendations

David Goldfield
 

The open source antivirus program you might be referring to could be
Clamwin. I used it many years ago. It did seem rather accessible but
those who know me will know that we need to consider the program's
overall ability to protect us as much as, if not more, than its level of
screen reader accessibility.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
WWW.DavidGoldfield.Info

On 1/18/2017 10:19 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
I would say Microsoft security essentials is accessible, fully. I can
tell you what programs are certainly not fully accessible, though!

avast. not accessible.

AVG. somewhat accessible.

There is an open source one that is accessible but is no longer being
updated. sorry, tat is all I got! I can't remember the name. darn!



Re: Accessible Word Processor

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Quentin,

 

I take it that Abiword is a mozilla product? I haven't heard of it.

 

Rosemarie

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2017 3:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor

 

Hi everyone,

 

I tested AbiWord this morning and indeed, it isn't usable as it stands.  I filed a bug on BugZilla as suggested on the AbiWord homepage (here if anyone is interested: http://bugzilla.abisource.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13840) and I will advise if I hear anything from the AbiWord developers.

 

Another word processor I tried recently which again uses a custom edit and isn't readable with NVDA is Atlantis: http://www.atlantiswordprocessor.com/en/  I came across Atlantis as a word processor which can also export to ePub.  I sent them an e-mail noting the issues I encountered.


If you do try programs and find them to be inaccessible, then do please feel free to contact the developers to raise the issue with them.  As much as we may find it appalling, many developers simply aren't aware and haven't considered screen reader users when developing their programs.  Please do be polite when advising developers of bugs.  If you vent all your frustrations and are aggressive and rude when you contact them, then the developer will be likely to ignore your request.  The best thing to do is politely advise what you are trying to do, what you expect to happen, and what is actually happening.  Also, the more people who report issues to developers, the more notice they are likely to take.  If you are given a bug or issue number or a link to return to the bug, posting it here may enable others to "upvote" it, or confirm that they are also experiencing the same problems so that the developers know it affects more than one user.

 

In any case, I'll let you know if I hear from Atlantis or AbiWord.

 

Kind regards


Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:36 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi david and all.
yes.
fortunately both openoffice and libreoffice can save documents as html.
also, abiword, which is not accessible by nvda, supports exporting
documents as html!

On 1/18/17, Ejaz Shah <eashah67@...> wrote:
> I have the demo of JAWS 18 and Run HJ Pad is in Utilities - JAWS 18.
>
>
> On 1/16/2017 12:44 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gene,
>>
>>
>> I have a JAWS 16 home edition version.  It is not in that list of
>> tools.  I don't know if the full version demo would have it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 1/16/2017 2:17 AM, Gene wrote:
>>> It likely still is available.  You can run it whether you are running
>>> JAWS or not.  It is in the JAWS menu which you open in the all
>>> programs menu.  There is an item that says run HJ Pad.  I don't know
>>> how the abilities of H J Pad compare with JARTE.  But H J Pad is
>>> based on the old menu version of Wordpad.  At least it was.  It has a
>>> spell checker, which Word Pad doesn't.
>>> Gene
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> *From:* Ron Canazzi <mailto:aa2vm@...>
>>> *Sent:* Monday, January 16, 2017 12:33 AM
>>> *To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>> *Subject:* [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
>>>
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>> I started a new thread on this because I accidentally deleted the
>>> original 'accessible word processor' thread.  In any case, I don't know
>>> if this is still valid or not and it also depends on just what you want
>>> to use your slimmed down and very accessible Word Processor software
>>> for.  IN the old days, you used to get a small program with a spell
>>> checker called HJ Pad when you installed a copy of JAWS (yes I know it's
>>> one of our competitors.)  This little package was totally accessible,
>>> had a spell checker and would save in text or RTF as I recall. It used
>>> to be available--even if you only had a demo of JAWS. I don't know
>>> whether this is true any more, but 5 years ago, it was so.  I wonder if
>>> anyone has tried installing the newest demos and seeing if they still
>>> include HJ Pad and seeing if it still works after 40 minutes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
>> They ask: "How Happy are You?"
>> I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
>>
>
>


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org




 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess