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off topic but interesting or: Add-ons in fireFox
Георги Ламбов <obichamlegiona@...>
Evening group!
I'm trying to install an add-on on firefox but the action is unsuccessful. With the latest firefox version. Otherwise I have some important add-ons installed and it seems to me that with each next version of firefox, the add-on's installation is more difficult and even immpossible. Are there any tricks for the latest version which I work with? Georgi
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Accessing various folders in Outlook 2016 with Windows 10 and NVDA 2016.4
Ketan Kothari
Hi friends,
I am using MS Office 365 with windows 10 and NVDA 2016.4. I am unable
to access folders other than In-box in MS Outlook 2016. How do I do
that? I wish to access sent items. Even when I press Contrl plus y I
can get the folders but am not able to move messages from one folder to
another. Any help will be appreciated.
With best wishes,
Ketan
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removing a forgotten password
Pascal Lambert
Please, need your urgent help. I need to remove a forgotten password on a laptop I need to access. It is an HP laptop using Win10. Many thanks. Blessings. Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools submenu. Select a fond in the list. Then tab once. You will be in a list of attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see what else is in the dialog.
Gene ----- Original Message -----
You can set fonts. It is more or less the case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.
Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good teaching tools and references.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: David Griffith Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor
HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Hi,
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Yep, that fix is under incubation at this time (next branch). I'll remove that fix from my add-on once the fix makes it to a stable version of NVDA. Cheers, Joseph
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Andre Fisher Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:40 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released One thing to point out though Joseph. The add-on does do one thing that is not Windows 10 specific. When Windows+D is used to go to the desktop, while the add-on is running, pane is not announced all across the board. Thanks. On 1/15/17, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote: Hi,
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Important announcement for StationPlaylist Studio add-on users: please update to todays' builds by February 1st due to change of add-on update address
Hi everyone, especially for SPL Studio add-on users,
If you are using add-on releases prior to 17.01.1 stable or 15.5A LTS (released today), please update to today’s builds by February 1st (LTS is for those using SPL 5.01). Starting from today’s builds, the add-on update address has changed as part of a transition process to replace nvda-kr.org with a brand new website.
The latest add-on releases can be found at: https://github.com/josephsl/stationPlaylist/releases/tag/17.01
Cheers, Joseph
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Re: Accessible Word Processor
Gene
Also, these sorts of attributes can be found by
opening the menus, opening tools, then opening fonts from the tools
submenu.
Select a fond in the list.
Then tab once. You will be in a list of
attributes for the font, italics being one. I didn't tab further to see
what else is in the dialog.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
You can set fonts. It is more or less the
case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you
type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text
will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such
commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just
comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built
on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training
material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the
point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.
Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus
under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play
around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good
teaching tools and references.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange location even with Jaws 18. Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know. It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold, italic, or underline. I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a word processor. Despite being buried away it does still work. Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE David Griffith David Griffith On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote: > I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible > word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but > I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features. > > >
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Re: Accessible Word Processor
Gene
You can set fonts. It is more or less the
case that if the old Wordpad can do something, HJPad can do it. If you
type a sentence and use control I to toggle between italics on and off, the text
will be italicized where indicated. I see no reason to believe other such
commands are absent. I haven't seen this stated anywhere, but just
comparing the old Wordpad to HJPad, even the name, indicates that it was built
on the old WordPad. It was intended for use with JAWS basic training
material. It may be that the basic training material has changed to the
point where HJPad isn't as useful with it as before.
Those who are curious will find, in the HJPad menus
under tools, a submenu named sample dialogs. It is interesting to play
around with the sample dialogs. Some of them would still make good
teaching tools and references.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David Griffith
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange location even with Jaws 18. Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know. It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold, italic, or underline. I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a word processor. Despite being buried away it does still work. Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE David Griffith David Griffith On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote: > I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible > word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but > I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features. > > >
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Re: Accessible Word Processor
David Griffith
HJPad does appear to have been removed as an explicitly supported Utility in Jaws but I actually found it buried away in a strange location even with Jaws 18.
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Quite why it would be hidden in this location I do not know. It does have a spell checker but little else really. As far as I can tell you can edit the font but cannot set any font attributes like bold, italic, or underline. I always saw it as really a possible notepad replacement rather than a word processor. Despite being buried away it does still work. Anyway I found it on my system under the follwoing very odd path C:\Windows\Installer\$PatchCache$\Managed\38E784264F70E08468F74BA4CC2F4C2E\18.0.1835\HJPAD.EXE David Griffith David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 10:10, Robert Kingett wrote:
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.
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Re: Reading math using NVDA
David Griffith
I have no knowledge of Mats I am afraid but I would simply comment that I routinely save Powerpoint presentations to PDF which personally i find much easer to review then.
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Whether this solves your maths problem is another matter of course. David Griffith
On 16/01/2017 11:07, Joel.B wrote:
Hi,
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Re: Reading math using NVDA
joel.benjamin@...
Hi,
Thanks, Joel
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Re: Accessible Word Processor
Gene
It was never in tools. In the JAWS menu, if
you down arrow through all the items, Run HJPad is in the main JAWS
menu.
I'm not sure what the all programs menu is called in later
versions of Windows but if its still included, it's in the JAWS menu found
there. While I would expect HJPad to be there, I don't know since I
haventt updated JAWS for many years.
Gene
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From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessible Word Processor Hi Gene, I have a JAWS 16 home edition version. It is not in that list of tools. I don't know if the full version demo would have it. On 1/16/2017 2:17 AM, Gene wrote:
-- They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes. They ask: "How Happy are You?" I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA
Quentin Christensen
Hi Sharni, When you reply to a list message, it automatically goes to the list, but if you reply all, you can grab the address of the sender, or read the header information of the message I sent (depending on how you read your mail it will often include it) but my address is quentin@... (Please note, I'm just saying that for information, not attacking you for not finding it - it's actually not obvious unless you know where to look!) I just tried writing the line I mentioned earlier "the quick brown fox" with brown italicised, in word 2016, saving it as doc and rtf and opening in both Jarte and WordPad. Neither wanted to open the doc file at all (Wordpad opened it all mangled - no actual text, and Jarte wanted that converter I linked to but never downloaded myself). Opening the RTF file, both Jarte and WordPad read it fine, either navigating by word / character, or using say all or read line. Definitely what I would say is that if you are constantly opening files that were written in Microsoft Office, and the formatting etc is very important, then you really are best off biting the bullet and buying Office - no other program is guaranteed to open it properly. If you write and save your own documents, then Jarte looks pretty good - as far as I notice, the issues we've been talking about have all been from importing a document from Word, is that correct? Writing text in Jarte and then saving and reopening works fine? Having said all that, I've been in situations at various times where I didn't have access to Word but needed to open a Word document and programs like Jarte and WordPad can do it almost always well enough to read and likely even edit. It just depends on what you are doing, where you are getting your files and what you need to do with them. Regards Quentin.
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 9:08 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...> wrote:
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Quentin Christensen Training Material Developer Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ www.nvaccess.org Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA
Sharni-Lee Ward
Well, my attached file didn't get sent. At least I don't think it did. That's annoying, as I can't get at Quentin's email.
Also, just downloaded the compatibility pack, and after installing it, tried to open one of my word files with Jarte. It opened, but all I saw was a bunch of gibberish. Is there a setting I need to tweak to make the content comprehensible? I'm using the
portable version of Jarte because I'm still deciding whether it's worth installing and the option was available.
On 16/01/2017 9:08 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
It says system language English US, Language Locale' English UK
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One assumes this means that there are rules for English always, but variations occur for different countries such as currency defaults and other stuff., like spelling dictionaries etc. I have on more than one occasion had sent to me doc files from machines set up all over the place from Cyrillic to English us and it can be a real pain when attempting to edit such files having to check the language the template used was in to get anything sensible. I've also found daft things going on like a line I've added apparently in English suddenly turning to what looks like Greek on print out, to the great hilarity of my sighted friends. I guess with computers a good sense of humour and patience is needed. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released Are you talking about system language, or keyboard language?
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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA
Sharni-Lee Ward
Hi,
I've just made this file in Jarte itself, saved in .rtf. It behaves as I described below. Since it's a test file specifically created to demonstrate my issue, I have no problems sending it to the list at large. It's perfectly safe, guys!
On 16/01/2017 8:58 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Chris
Yeah, that’s why its called Windows 10 App Essentials
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Re: Accessible Word Processor
I have not seen any H J Pad, but OpenOffice is the most accessible word processor besides Microsoft word. There is Jarte, of course, but I do not count that because you have to pay to get all of the features.
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Re: Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
On a similar issue in 7, I have one machine which persists in saying task switching list in the tab around of stuff on the screen. Unfortunately even with nothing running it does this and gets stuck there, needing the windows m to get back out again. I cannot find the checkbox in 7 to turn this off.
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Its the home premium version of 7, my other machine has the pro version and has not got this debatable feature. The other annoyance is often on power up I hear nvda say something like client cookie OK but nothing seems to be there to indeicate where this is coming from and what it means. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Jacob Kruger" <jacob@blindza.co.za> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows 10 App Essentials 17.01 released FWIW, I've just been using windows key + M since XP days, and, it does then announce that you've focused on desktop, etc.?
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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA
Sharni-Lee Ward
Quentin,
I've noticed the opposite. I had Microsoft Word Starter 2010 on my original computer when I first got it, and then Microsoft Office 2013 when Mum bought me a license for one computer. NVDA always reads italics and bold as expected, only on the words that formatting is affecting. In Word Pad, saved into rtf for the purposes of reading and working with it in JARTE, the same files the emphasis is clearly announced in have it blurred. Single italicised words in the middle of lines are passed over, while words at the beginning of the line dictate whether the whole line will be treated as plain, italic or bold. When scrolling over it character by character, it doesn't do this, but when I use say-all, it behaves as I described. It may be something to do with Office messing things up even when the file's saved as rtf, but I remember noticing this a long time ago when I thought writing in word pad was my only means of writing. That resulted in me posting a chapter of a fanfiction with a whole chunk of text in italics that I never meant to be so.
I'd send a file, but your email doesn't seem to be tied to this message, only the email address of the list, and all the relevant files are of stories or parts of stories I have written. I'm quite protective of rough drafts of things...
On 16/01/2017 4:50 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
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Re: accessible word processors with NVDA
Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
Ordinary jarte is free, if that is what you mean.
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Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field.
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From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:16 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA Hi, is there a free trial for Jot? If so how long is it free before you have to pay? Or, do you have to buy it in order to use it? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account Sent: January-15-17 2:38 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA The thing about Jarte is that to open docx files it needs the purchased version as far as I know. OOpen and Libra Office seem to be able to load in docx files, but as has been discussed here of late, the authors need to do some more work to allow screenreaders to work on all parts of them like read all etc. Of course it might be possible to find an old copy of an older version of Office pro corporate which I did and it still worked aand accepted the key. Legal? Well, its a grey area isn't it. if the original buyer is giving it away, then who cares. Brian bglists@blueyonder.co.uk Sent via blueyonder. Please address personal email to:- briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff' in the display name field. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharni-Lee Ward" <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 5:18 AM Subject: [nvda] accessible word processors with NVDA Hi,
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