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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 09:35 am, Gene wrote:
We don't know if it's a general problem. Gene, No, we don't know for certain. That being said, when two random users are seeing the same behavior on different machines under the same circumstances where there are no obvious other problems the direction that points is, "general problem." If it looks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, the most likely thing it is will be a duck, though there are other less probable fits as well. Also, right now, the general issue I'm concerned about is the fact that issuing the NVDA find command is not triggering the NVDA find on the Gmail Inbox page after I've done a Gmail find and the first NVDA find. I can replicate that reliably and have no reason to believe it's idiosyncratic based on the absence of other idiosyncracies. He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
Gene
This may be a problem on your machine and not a
general one.
I don't know what part of the log might be relevant
but there may be relevant information in the log.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in
search function that a) you are in browse mode and b) that you actually pressed the correct keyboard shortcut. On 1/12/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote: > I have also replicated the error in Firefox. I rebooted my system before > trying to do so as well. > > Everything works as expected on the first iteration of a Gmail search and > mass selection per my instructions for doing same. After that, if one > navigates back to the Gmail search edit box and performs another search, > INS+CTRL+F insists on pulling up the Firefox search, not the NVDA search. > This behavior continues even if I intentionally tab my way around the page > to get to another control and hit INS+CTRL+F again. In all instances I get > a Firefox search not an NVDA search. > > Windows 10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693, Firefox 50.1.0, NVDA 2016.4 > > -- > *Brian* > > * * *He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence * *lends an > illusion of profundity.* > > * ~ T. De Vere White* >
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
Gene
We don't know if it's a general problem. Do
you have Firefox? If not, all we know is that on your machine, there is no
problem using Chrome. But we don't know if there would be a problem using
firefox. I'd have to experiment to see what behavior I get on my machine
using both the newest NVDA and the newest Firefox.
Gene
Gene
From: Angelo Sonnesso
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 9:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in
search function It seems to be a Firefox problem. I just tried it in Chrome, and it works just fine. I also tried it on your email message, and it worked.
73 N2DYN Angelo
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Also, as of this morning, just now, I'm back to the *%$&^ behavior where when I'm hitting INS+CTRL+F I am not ever getting the NVDA search dialog box but always having the Firefox page search bar come up at the bottom of the screen. This is immensely frustrating for me and I cannot even begin to imagine the orders of magnitude of additional frustration that would be added were I depending on this to behave in a predictable way to actually get work done. -- Brian He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: OCR software?
kelby carlson
That isn't the PDF2TXt being referred to. The program may not be online anymore.
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On 1/12/17, Doug Parisian <eggmann@shaw.ca> wrote:
While slightly off topic for this list, I might end the diversion,
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
Gene
NVDA often places you at your previous position
when you leave and return to a page. I don't have a good enough
picture to be sure just what you are trying to do but it may be that the
situation can be solved by issuing a top of page command while in browse mode
before doing the second search. In other words, control home then do the
search. I often do a control home when I want to search from the top of a
page regardless of what I have or haven't done before to make sure I am
searching from the top. It depends. If I'm on a page I've done
nothing on and it's just loaded, I often don't use the top of page command but
if I want to be sure I'll search from the top of page and not inadvertently
search from farther down, I may. Rather than worry about what may be
farther down from my current position, if I'm on a page where I've done much of
any moving around, I often do a top of page command just so I know exactly where
I'm starting from. It takes almost no time and standardizes where I start
a search.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in
search function Gene, I can't honestly answer the "is it only Gmail's page" question because I do these kinds of intensive explorations pretty much in response to either a specific client need or a question that pops up on the groups. I can say that I am probably not "moving to the top of the page" insofar as forcing that via NVDA. I would think that when I go back to the Gmail search box, which is both very near the top of the visible page and clearly before the "Select Menu Button" in the virtual the first cycle around that this should return me to the same position in the virtual page as I was in when entering the first set of Gmail search criteria. That's why this leaves me so perplexed. Since part of this is performing a new Gmail search, which results in a reloaded Gmail page of results, I'd also rationally believe that the virtual page is being reloaded and I should be placed at the beginning, but it appears that's not happening. However, further research is needed. This is why I turn to you all who actually use NVDA day in and day out, because I recognize that I could be making a mistake that I have absolutely no idea I'm making because I'm not a "real user" and no one who isn't ever develops the "in the gut" ease and facility that a day-in-day-out user of any technology does. Yesterday, on a completely
different issue elsewhere, I was introduced to the Principle of Least Astonishment and that's what I'm
experiencing a seeming violation of in this instance. But it could be
stupid user error, and I need to eliminate that as a root cause first. He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
Gene
I should add that I don't use Skipe so if there is
a reason to correspond off list, it would have to be by e-mail.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in
search function I seldom correspond privately with list members and
if you have a problem you want help on, it's a much gbetter idea to ask about on
list. I have no idea if I can help and even if I can, others may have
other or additional information.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in
search function when i want search something in my gmail, nvda says the result not found and i dont know how to find everything that i needed! the situation in firefox or any browser is worse. gene, may i be contact with you via your gmail addresss or skype? On 1/12/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: > You haven't said whether this behavior occurs on other pages or just on this > one. There are sites, such as The New York Times where you can search for a > specific button such as the all button. You haven't established, at least > not in what you have described, whether this is behavior caused by this one > page or general behavior. Also, what happens if you don't just move to the > top of the page before repeating the search, but move to the top and then do > something like tabbing once. I'm not sure what is causing the problem but > it sounds as though something isn't calibrating correctly as you move in the > virtual buffer and starts a search from the location of the previous result > rather than from the top of the page. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian Vogel > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:45 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search > function > > > Well, there's good news and bad news. > > The good news is that using INS+CTRL+F in both Firefox and Chrome is > invoking the NVDA search now that I've rebooted. > > The bad news is that what NVDA finds (and I am going to have to do > additional testing) as far as the "Select Menu Button" seems to change after > having done a search. When I do my initial search in Firefox, then use > INS+CTRL+F to invoke the NVDA search and use "select" as my string it lands > on the Select Menu Button as I'd expect. If I go back and perform a > subsequent search and then use the same NVDA search, it lands me on "Select > Input Tool" rather than the "Select Menu Button" which is weird. > > Even though I have the Focus Highlight add-on added on I do not seem to be > able to follow exactly where NVDA has it's focus when doing anything other > than the first NVDA search. If I completely reload my inbox page before > doing a subsequent NVDA search things seem to behave as I'd expect. I would > have to believe that the "page state" (for lack of a better description) is > precisely the same when any given Gmail search completes from its search > box, so I would think that an NVDA search for Select immediately after > should always land one on the Select Menu Button, but it doesn't. > > More work to be done on my part, but if anyone has any thoughts about what I > am doing wrong or might try to do differently they will be gratefully > accepted. > -- > Brian > > > He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion > of profundity. > > ~ T. De Vere White > > > > > > > > > > -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration is: imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
Gene
I seldom correspond privately with list members and
if you have a problem you want help on, it's a much gbetter idea to ask about on
list. I have no idea if I can help and even if I can, others may have
other or additional information.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: nasrin khaksar
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in
search function when i want search something in my gmail, nvda says the result not found and i dont know how to find everything that i needed! the situation in firefox or any browser is worse. gene, may i be contact with you via your gmail addresss or skype? On 1/12/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote: > You haven't said whether this behavior occurs on other pages or just on this > one. There are sites, such as The New York Times where you can search for a > specific button such as the all button. You haven't established, at least > not in what you have described, whether this is behavior caused by this one > page or general behavior. Also, what happens if you don't just move to the > top of the page before repeating the search, but move to the top and then do > something like tabbing once. I'm not sure what is causing the problem but > it sounds as though something isn't calibrating correctly as you move in the > virtual buffer and starts a search from the location of the previous result > rather than from the top of the page. > > Gene > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Brian Vogel > Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 10:45 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search > function > > > Well, there's good news and bad news. > > The good news is that using INS+CTRL+F in both Firefox and Chrome is > invoking the NVDA search now that I've rebooted. > > The bad news is that what NVDA finds (and I am going to have to do > additional testing) as far as the "Select Menu Button" seems to change after > having done a search. When I do my initial search in Firefox, then use > INS+CTRL+F to invoke the NVDA search and use "select" as my string it lands > on the Select Menu Button as I'd expect. If I go back and perform a > subsequent search and then use the same NVDA search, it lands me on "Select > Input Tool" rather than the "Select Menu Button" which is weird. > > Even though I have the Focus Highlight add-on added on I do not seem to be > able to follow exactly where NVDA has it's focus when doing anything other > than the first NVDA search. If I completely reload my inbox page before > doing a subsequent NVDA search things seem to behave as I'd expect. I would > have to believe that the "page state" (for lack of a better description) is > precisely the same when any given Gmail search completes from its search > box, so I would think that an NVDA search for Select immediately after > should always land one on the Select Menu Button, but it doesn't. > > More work to be done on my part, but if anyone has any thoughts about what I > am doing wrong or might try to do differently they will be gratefully > accepted. > -- > Brian > > > He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion > of profundity. > > ~ T. De Vere White > > > > > > > > > > -- we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration is: imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org
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Accessible Internet Speed Test
Hello, Does anyone know of an accessible internet speed test? Most of the speed tests I have found only show speeds in a flash frame.
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
If someone wants a log all they need to do is tell me how to force NVDA to create one, where it will be located, and what it's name structure will be and I'll be happy to generate one. I have absolutely no doubt that I am in browse mode and am pressing INS+CTRL+F. I've tried it too many times and have taken both possibly having missed mode change and fat fingering the NVDA search key sequence into account. Neither is a factor.
-- Brian He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
Andre Fisher
You would probably need to send a log here so that there is evidence
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that a) you are in browse mode and b) that you actually pressed the correct keyboard shortcut.
On 1/12/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
I have also replicated the error in Firefox. I rebooted my system before
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Re: OCR software?
Doug Parisian <eggmann@...>
While slightly off topic for this list, I might end the diversion, respectfully of course, by providing the following link for the Image to tedxt conversion package. The assumption is that if you want to read print, you have means of scanning it and then processing the image through the software.
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With all the programming wizzards on this list, perhaps someone can provide a way for combo printer-scanners to integrate? Just a thought! https://www.dropbox.com/s/9cvb52w0wfgwyqm/p2tsetup.exe?dl=1
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From: Roger Stewart Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:05 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] OCR software? Also, can those who know the OCR engine that is use in PDF 2 TXT please give me the link to get it or at least give me the name of the OCR engine so I can search for it? Thanks. Roger On 1/11/2017 5:59 PM, Robert Kingett wrote: Does anyone have a link to this PDF2TXT installer? I am finding a lot of third party installers that I am sure have adware in them. I installed Unchecky to combat this, but still!
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Re: OCR software?
Antony Stone
Assuming that http://www.pdf2txt.com/ is the program people have been talking
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about (there is another application called PDF2TXT which runs on Linux systems, but I doubt that that's what's been discussed here), then given that it's not free (you can use it for 30 days as a trial version, and it costs US$35 after that), I doubt that the OCR engine behind it is going to be available to anyone to turn into an NVDA addon (unless the author is prepared to share the source code under an NDA and for the result then to be a paid add-on). See http://www.pdf2txt.com/eula.htm for the licensing details. Antony.
On Thursday 12 January 2017 at 17:05:29, Roger Stewart wrote:
Also, can those who know the OCR engine that is use in PDF 2 TXT please --
I'm not impossible, just highly implausible. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
I have also replicated the error in Firefox. I rebooted my system before trying to do so as well. Everything works as expected on the first iteration of a Gmail search and mass selection per my instructions for doing same. After that, if one navigates back to the Gmail search edit box and performs another search, INS+CTRL+F insists on pulling up the Firefox search, not the NVDA search. This behavior continues even if I intentionally tab my way around the page to get to another control and hit INS+CTRL+F again. In all instances I get a Firefox search not an NVDA search. Windows 10 Home 64-bit Build 14393.693, Firefox 50.1.0, NVDA 2016.4 -- He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: OCR software?
Roger Stewart
Also, can those who know the OCR engine that is use in PDF 2 TXT please give me the link to get it or at least give me the name of the OCR engine so I can search for it?
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Thanks. Roger
On 1/11/2017 5:59 PM, Robert Kingett wrote:
Does anyone have a link to this PDF2TXT installer? I am finding a lot of third party installers that I am sure have adware in them. I installed Unchecky to combat this, but still!
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
It seems to be a Firefox problem. I just tried it in Chrome, and it works just fine. I also tried it on your email message, and it worked.
73 N2DYN Angelo
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Also, as of this morning, just now, I'm back to the *%$&^ behavior where when I'm hitting INS+CTRL+F I am not ever getting the NVDA search dialog box but always having the Firefox page search bar come up at the bottom of the screen. This is immensely frustrating for me and I cannot even begin to imagine the orders of magnitude of additional frustration that would be added were I depending on this to behave in a predictable way to actually get work done. -- Brian He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
Also, as of this morning, just now, I'm back to the *%$&^ behavior where when I'm hitting INS+CTRL+F I am not ever getting the NVDA search dialog box but always having the Firefox page search bar come up at the bottom of the screen. This is immensely frustrating for me and I cannot even begin to imagine the orders of magnitude of additional frustration that would be added were I depending on this to behave in a predictable way to actually get work done. -- Brian He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
Gene, I can't honestly answer the "is it only Gmail's page" question because I do these kinds of intensive explorations pretty much in response to either a specific client need or a question that pops up on the groups. I can say that I am probably not "moving to the top of the page" insofar as forcing that via NVDA. I would think that when I go back to the Gmail search box, which is both very near the top of the visible page and clearly before the "Select Menu Button" in the virtual the first cycle around that this should return me to the same position in the virtual page as I was in when entering the first set of Gmail search criteria. That's why this leaves me so perplexed. Since part of this is performing a new Gmail search, which results in a reloaded Gmail page of results, I'd also rationally believe that the virtual page is being reloaded and I should be placed at the beginning, but it appears that's not happening. However, further research is needed. This is why I turn to you all who actually use NVDA day in and day out, because I recognize that I could be making a mistake that I have absolutely no idea I'm making because I'm not a "real user" and no one who isn't ever develops the "in the gut" ease and facility that a day-in-day-out user of any technology does. Yesterday, on a completely different issue elsewhere, I was introduced to the Principle of Least Astonishment and that's what I'm experiencing a seeming violation of in this instance. But it could be stupid user error, and I need to eliminate that as a root cause first. He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: NVDA and desktop keyboards without Home and End keys
Shawn, I'm glad this finally worked out for you. Now is when you need to contact Logitech Customer Service and complain about the accessibility of their documentation. The setup guide is one of those insanely frustrating things from an accessibility standpoint because it's at least 95% there from my playing with it, but the very tables that they use to explain the media key functions and the shortcut keys are not. They use great images of the actual keys from the keyboard at the top of each column but clearly do not have alternate text assigned to them, leaving you with the most vital piece of the puzzle missing. I also cannot tell whether those tables will register as tables with a screen reader because the PDF Reader I prefer does not "play well" with screen readers and I'm in a hurry. -- He discloses the workings of a mind to which incoherence lends an illusion of profundity. ~ T. De Vere White
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Re: NVDA and desktop keyboards without Home and End keys
Shawn Bever
Greetings,
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I couldn't tell if this posted when I sent it earlier, so sorry if it already did. I picked up one of the K780 keyboards yesterday. I can report that this keyboard works very well with NVDA. The key sequences needed to produce Home, End, Page Up and Page down are very simple and not cumbersome at all. The PDF file Bryan mentioned is, unfortunately, not screen reader friendly. The 4 aforementioned keystrokes are produced by pressing the FN key and pressing the left arrow for Home, right arrow for end, up arrow for Page up and down arrow for page down. The use of control and shift modifier keys work as expected to give all the usual functions of these keys. A software utility called Options (available from logitech) is needed to finish out the needed tweaks. This utility is used to reverse the function key row behavior back to it's normal mode, where no FN keypress is needed to perform the usual windows functions. The only other thing i changed was to disable the scroll lock key, which is mapped to control + caps lock (i'm sure you can see the problem here). With the funciton key row reverted to normal, you will have to use the FN key to switch between the three paired devices, and any other function keys that are described as not needing the FN key. This is a relatively minor adjestment though. The keyboard paired with my Samsung Note 4 and works beautifully. All in all, this compact, very solid feeling and quiet keyboard is a keeper. It's an excellent choice for anyone wanting one keyboard for all of their devices, except for devices running Windows Phone OS. Shawn Shawn
On 1/8/2017 5:46 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Oh, Logitech, did they not have some special driver for this? Its been a while. I have come across keyboards both like this and with no context key etc, which is a real pain. The worst is the Dolphin original large key keyboard with loads of keys not there at all.
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Re: Forcing an NVDA Search rather than a built-in search function
hi. i have this problem too.
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when i want search something in my gmail, nvda says the result not found and i dont know how to find everything that i needed! the situation in firefox or any browser is worse. gene, may i be contact with you via your gmail addresss or skype?
On 1/12/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
You haven't said whether this behavior occurs on other pages or just on this --
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation. holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107. in the very authentic narration is: imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation. best website for studying islamic book in different languages al-islam.org
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