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Re: Reading the Windows Explorer Window

David Griffith
 

I have been away so I am late coming to this thread.

However I also have this problem with NVDA and Windows/File Explorer – I am actually using

 Windows 10.

I am getting this problem on both my Desktop using Anniversary and Laptop machine  which is using the Creator’s update.

 

Personally I am using Detailed and not List view in File Explorer but switching to List view does not change matters.

 

The charactgeristic of the problem is that you can tab around the File Explorer window but NVDA is very laggy. When you get to where the list of files and folders should be read you do not get a response for a very long time if you try curssoring up and down to read the contents of the folder.

The problem seems to gtet worse the larger the folder of files is.

The problem does not occur when using either Jaws or Narrator both of which read the files without delay.

 

The workaround  I find is not to use NVDA with File Explorer but for NVDA only I use Explorer ++ which works with the same folders absolutely  fine and responsively.

 

David Griffith

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From: Jonathan Milam
Sent: 01 June 2017 12:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

 

Thanks, Quentin!  Unfortunately, it just happens randomly.  However, whenever it happens, it impacts Outlook as well.  Perhaps there is an invisible window as Brian indicated, but I am unable to see it if it does exist.  However, when it happens, I can’t navigate at all through Outlook messages, Explorer windows, etc.  It doesn’t seem to impact the web.  Perhaps we can use the Remote feature if you wanted to see it in real time when it happens.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

 

Can you give steps to reproduce?  Does it happen every time you use the arrow keys in the tree view?

 

I haven't got Windows 8.1 in front of me to test with just now, so if I can get as many details as possible for when I can test it that would be great.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

I am, WIN8.1.

Jonathan


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Which version of windows? Are you using an installed version of nvda?
 Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window


> Hi All,
>
>
>
> In 2017.2, and even in earlier versions of NVDA, I am having an issue
> where
> NVDA will not speak the contents of windows explorer windows whenever I
> arrow up and down through listviews.  Is anyone else seeing this?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan
>






 

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Re: nvda 2017.2 rc1

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Nasrin,

We are keeping the same name and same address.  There will be a new, updated site there in due course (some of the same content, some new content, some rewritten content and hopefully easier navigation!)

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:43 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
i realy wish to use previous site but with new and more accessible design.
is it possible or do you want to change nvaccess.org to anything else?
all things are great, except than download page for me.
thanks so much and divine extreme mercy i wish for you.

On 5/26/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> Just to follow up on the comments re the NV Access site.  Yes, we are aware
> it has outgrown its current setup.  As many of you know, we are (slowly)
> going through a rebranding (same name, new logo), and part of that is a new
> website.  The new site is currently being worked on and unfortunately isn't
> ready yet.
>
> I'll be sure and pass on when the new site is ready to explore!
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 07:33 pm, David Tanner wrote:
>>
>> Could someone please post the link to the new release candidate I can't
>> seem to find it anywhere.
>>
>>  See:  https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/18634
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>> charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Re: moving to NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi yes you are correct.


There was a free version that was released if you had a office 2010 and above package that was stripped down.


but there was a message that said about window eyes users and migrating to jaws which can be found at http://www.gwmicro.com/window-eyes/migrate/


It looks as though it is no more so if you had a payed version and the latest they would upgrade you to jaws 18 at no extra price but the next one you  will pay for the upgrade or sma each time.

if you had a earlier version like 8 you would have to pay for the upgrade to 18 so not sure if you had to buy the whole jaws package or the price of the sma or upgrade to jaws 18.

the free version will not be updated but over time it will stop working with other programs. they would probably like you to go to jaws or if people do not there is nvda which is free but donations always welcome.

it says what is happening on the link in this email to that page.

Gene nz

On 2/06/2017 5:00 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi gene.
about windows eyes i heard thats its completely commercial like jaws.
am i right?
and about automatic playing of video in websites:
in the address bar of firefox type about:config
then press enter twice and accept the risk.
then type these in the search bar or copy them one by one and press
enter to make them false.
it prevents, automatic playing of any media files in different windows
versions using websites.
i also dont have flash player and this is very helpful for security
and also preventing automatic playing medias.
media.directshow.enabled
media.autoplay.enabled
media.play-stand-alone

On 6/2/17, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin and all developers.
i have a suggestion in this regard.
make tutorial available and let users select what they want to read first.
for example: basic tutorial for voices, reading texts, reading web
pages, nvda command, etc.
like user guide but more simple and shorter than user guide that
novice users can learn how to use nvda in the first time.

On 6/2/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
I just downloaded a copy of Windows eyes the free version and it did some
thing simular to what is spoken when setting up.


I do not think there was a interactive tutorial, but the thing i did like
was tips on using it.


There is a add on that is simular that can be found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/tipOfTheDay.en.html

It is called tip of the day and i wonder how many new users know of it or
even where to get them from. At present it is a separate add on and not
part
of nvda.


I put new users of nvda once nvda has been downloaded i install the add
on
and show them where to get resources from to help them.


Most people know the basics but in short bursts like the tip of the day
add
on it is a good way to get some one up and running.


It can always be added to.


The idea of a interactive tutorial i have only used on a apple phone and
a
android phone. it was just as easy for me to grab the gestures to learn
but
that was more with a touch screen.


You do not want information overload and object navigation would do that
to
a new user. There are people on this list who might only do the basics
and
that is all they want to know.


I just looked at the welcome dialogue and that tells you how to get into
the
user manual which a new user could do easily then pick out wheather he
learns the desk top layout for a desktop or the other for a laptop.
then learn a little at a time.

.

I wanted to find out a little more say for guides or help on the nvaccess
website from nvda and as soon as you go to the website it plays the
video.
That i am guessing is a turn off and makes you want to get out of there
quick.
I know the idea was to pro moat nvda with the video, but i think it
should
not automatically play.

If i done that to my pages on my website on every one i wonder how many
people whould come back.
Funny thing it happens in mozilla fire fox but not my other browsers so
does
that happen to other people using mozilla fire fox? or not? maybe there
is
some thing that needs to be disabled in my browser from playing
automatically.
.

What it is would any one have a clue it is driving me crazy when it does
it.

.

I guess for a new user it helps if they are pointed in the right area
from
the screen reader.
I guess as in training resources if needed.

Gene nz

The stuff i would want to find is the shop pretty easy to get there and
was
looking for resources to help me learn not that i need it.
The guides are some where there or are they off the community website? or
even some of the other resources?


I do not know how others feel about the video that plays straight away but
i
do not like it i would rather click on it if i want to listen to it.
A new user would freak and could confuse them even more.


Gene nz

On 2/06/2017 3:20 PM, Gene wrote:
On other e-mail lists I'm on, new users often have certain questions.
The
best thing might be to have a short document explaining certain things
that
appear likely to be the most asked and/or the most useful.

The document could explain how to change synthesizers and speed
parameters.
A very often asked question, how do you unload NVDA, could be answered.
I'm
not sure if users see information on running NVDA with a short cut
command
when they install it.  Perhaps it should say that if they are using a
portable version, no such icons or commands will be made.
I don't think it's a good idea to give too much information.  The things
people would probably want to know immediately are how to work with
speech
and synthesizers, how to unload the program, the read to ed command, and
how
to run it.  How to look at help would be a good thing to tell people and
also, how to get tutorials since, presumably, a lot of people would
rather
learn from a tutorial.

This document could be a part of help and it could be shown until a do
not
show this check gbox is checked.  A certain amount of information is
already
shown and continues to be shown when the program runs but my recollection
is
that it isn't as much as I have suggested and that many important things
for
new users are not discussed such as how to get to help and where to look
for
tutorials and some other things I've discussed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee<mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

Hi,
Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from
welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want
it
to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for
new
users.

I created an issue to document the idea:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242  Feel free to comment on the
issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any
progress of it.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy
<joshknnd1982@...<mailto:joshknnd1982@...>> wrote:
I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would
have
a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer
that
would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will
for
those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be
a
yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all
voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft
speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a
keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a
voice,
hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when
you
first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an
interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff
like
lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up
a
sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar
with
some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would
guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to
find
certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock
enter,
and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it
would
let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of
the
current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by
hitting
escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard
you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using
NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only
edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a
tutorial
and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select
your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly
downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching
to
the newly downloaded free voice.







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Re: nvda 2017.2 rc1

 

hi quentin.
i realy wish to use previous site but with new and more accessible design.
is it possible or do you want to change nvaccess.org to anything else?
all things are great, except than download page for me.
thanks so much and divine extreme mercy i wish for you.

On 5/26/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi everyone,

Just to follow up on the comments re the NV Access site. Yes, we are aware
it has outgrown its current setup. As many of you know, we are (slowly)
going through a rebranding (same name, new logo), and part of that is a new
website. The new site is currently being worked on and unfortunately isn't
ready yet.

I'll be sure and pass on when the new site is ready to explore!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, May 23, 2017 at 07:33 pm, David Tanner wrote:

Could someone please post the link to the new release candidate I can't
seem to find it anywhere.

See: https://nvda.groups.io/g/nvda/message/18634
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Re: NVDA 2017.2 official release announcement

Quentin Christensen
 

HI Nasrin,

No problem, welcome back, it's great to see you again!  And thank you for your kind prayers.

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 4:03 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
sorry for the delay.
i had not internet charge for three weeks.
i waited for nvda 17.2 for months and i follow its progress in github.
i dont forget you in my five times daily obligotary prayers and i
request divine infinite mercy and blessings for you.

On 5/30/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
> The user interface translation changes all the messages and dialog box text
> into the chosen language.  The Burmese eSpeak changes the way the voice
> speaks to pronounce letter groups and words, as they would normally be in
> Burmese speech.  Your system language will determine the default behaviour
> of NVDA, but you could change the language to Burmese and choose a Burmese
> synthesizer.  It won't actually translate anything though, so if you try
> and read say a Word document that is in English, it will still read it in
> English, just with very odd pronunciation.
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...>
> wrote:
>
>> OK, so when you see that NVDA has a new language, you don't mean that I
>> can now access Burmese from my English NVDA. Darn it darn it darn! There
>> is
>> an E speak and G voice for Burmese, but it's terrible in my view, even
>> though I don't speak Burmese.
>>
>> On May 29, 2017, at 17:09, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ben,
>>
>> Good questions.  Re Burmese, the translation was done by native speakers
>> in Myanmar.
>>
>> Re Aria-current.  I can't find any statistics on how commonly it is used
>> yet, however having it working means that as and when you do come across
>> a
>> web page which uses it, you should find that NVDA is able to handle it
>> correctly, so that's a good thing!
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>> Quentin.
>>
>> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> OK, here goes my geeky self.
>>>
>>> Burmese is one of those difficult languages from Southeast Asia. How
>>> well
>>> has anyone heard it working.? I think my night is eighty-sixed. I can't
>>> wait to also look at edge more. How well used is the aria current
>>> attribute?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Ben
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2017, at 16:26, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> NVDA 2017.2 is officially available.
>>>
>>> See the announcement here: https://www.nvaccess.org
>>> /post/announcing-nvda-2017-2-release/
>>>
>>> Version 2017.2 of the free NVDA screen Reader from NV Access is now
>>> available for download. Highlights of this release include full support
>>> for
>>> audio ducking in the Windows 10 Creators Update; fixes for several
>>> selection issues in browse mode, including problems with select all;
>>> significant improvements in Microsoft Edge support; and improvements on
>>> the
>>> web such as indication of elements marked as current (using
>>> aria-current).
>>>
>>> NVDA is used by 10s of thousands of blind and vision impaired people
>>> spanning more than 120 countries, enabling them to socialise, get an
>>> education and participate in the workforce regardless of their location,
>>> language or economic situation. However, NV Access needs your help to
>>> continue this important work. Please consider making a donation
>>> <https://www.nvaccess.org/donate/> when downloading.
>>>
>>> To download NVDA, please visit our Download
>>> <https://www.nvaccess.org/download/> page.
>>> The full what's new is below, which I know if of interest to many:
>>>
>>> 2017.2
>>>
>>> Highlights of this release include full support for audio ducking in the
>>> Windows 10 Creators Update; fixes for several selection issues in browse
>>> mode, including problems with select all; significant improvements in
>>> Microsoft Edge support; and improvements on the web such as indication
>>> of
>>> elements marked as current (using aria-current).
>>> New Features
>>>
>>>    - Cell border information can now be reported in Microsoft Excel by
>>>    using NVDA+f. (#3044 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3044>)
>>>    - In web browsers, NVDA now indicates when an element has been marked
>>>    as current (specifically, using the aria-current attribute). (#6358
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6358>)
>>>    - Automatic language switching is now supported in Microsoft Edge. (
>>>    #6852 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6852>)
>>>    - Added support for Windows Calculator on Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB
>>>    (Long-Term Servicing Branch) and Server. (#6914
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6914>)
>>>    - Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells
>>>    the line with character descriptions. (#6893
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6893>)
>>>    - New language: Burmese.
>>>    - Unicode up and down arrows and fraction symbols are now spoken
>>>    appropriately. (#3805 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3805>)
>>>
>>> Changes
>>>
>>>    - When navigating with simple review in applications using UI
>>>    Automation, more extraneous objects are now ignored, making
>>> navigation
>>>    easier. (#6948 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6948>, #6950
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6950>)
>>>
>>> Bug Fixes
>>>
>>>    - Web page menu items can now be activated while in browse mode. (
>>>    #6735 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6735>)
>>>    - Pressing escape while the configuration profile "Confirm Deletion"
>>>    dialog is active now dismisses the dialog. (#6851
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6851>)
>>>    - Fixed some crashes in Mozilla Firefox and other Gecko applications
>>>    where the multi-process feature is enabled. (#6885
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6885>)
>>>    - Reporting of background color in screen review is now more accurate
>>>    when text was drawn with a transparent background. (#6467
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6467>)
>>>    - Improved support for control descriptions provided on web pages in
>>>    Internet Explorer 11 (specifically, support for aria-describedby
>>> within
>>>    iframes and when multiple IDs are provided). (#5784
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5784>)
>>>    - In the Windows 10 Creators Update, NVDA's audio ducking again works
>>>    as in previous Windows releases; i.e. Duck with speech and sounds,
>>> always
>>>    duck and no ducking are all available. (#6933
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6933>)
>>>    - NVDA will no longer fail to navigate to or report certain (UIA)
>>>    controls where a keyboard shortcut is not defined. (#6779
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6779>)
>>>    - Two empty spaces are no longer added in keyboard shortcut
>>>    information for certain (UIA) controls. (#6790
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6790>)
>>>    - Certain combinations of keys on HIMS displays (e.g. space+dot4) no
>>>    longer fail intermittently. (#3157
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3157>)
>>>    - Fixed an issue when opening a serial port on systems using certain
>>>    languages other than English which caused connecting to braille
>>> displays to
>>>    fail in some cases. (#6845
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6845>)
>>>    - Reduced the chance of the configuration file being corrupted when
>>>    Windows shuts down. Configuration files are now written to a temporary
>>> file
>>>    before replacing the actual configuration file. (#3165
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3165>)
>>>    - When performing the read current line command twice quickly to
>>>    spell the line, the appropriate language is now used for the spelled
>>>    characters. (#6726 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6726>)
>>>    - Navigating by line in Microsoft Edge is now up to three times
>>>    faster in the Windows 10 Creators Update. (#6994
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6994>)
>>>    - NVDA no longer announces "Web Runtime grouping" when focusing
>>>    Microsoft Edge documents in the Windows 10 Creators Update. (#6948
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6948>)
>>>    - All existing versions of SecureCRT are now supported. (#6302
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6302>)
>>>    - Adobe Acrobat Reader no longer crashes in certain PDF documents
>>>    (specifically, those containing empty ActualText attributes). (#7021
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7021>, #7034
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7034>)
>>>    - In browse mode in Microsoft Edge, interactive tables (ARIA grids)
>>>    are no longer skipped when navigating to tables with t and shift+t. (
>>>    #6977 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6977>)
>>>    - In browse mode, pressing shift+home after selecting forward now
>>>    unselects to the beginning of the line as expected. (#5746
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5746>)
>>>    - In browse mode, select all (control+a) no longer fails to select
>>>    all text if the caret is not at the start of the text. (#6909
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6909>)
>>>    - Fixed some other rare selection problems in browse mode. (#7131
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7131>)
>>>
>>> Changes for Developers
>>>
>>>    - Commandline arguments are now processed with Python's argparse
>>>    module, rather than optparse. This allows certain options such as -r
>>> and -q
>>>    to be handled exclusively. (#6865
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6865>)
>>>    - core.callLater now queues the callback to NVDA's main queue after
>>>    the given delay, rather than waking the core and executing it
>>> directly.
>>>    This stops possible freezes due to the core accidentally going to
>>> sleep
>>>    after processing a callback, in the midle of a modal call such as the
>>>    desplaying of a message box. (#6797
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6797>)
>>>    - The InputGesture.identifiers property has been changed so that it
>>>    is no longer normalized. (#6945
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6945>)
>>>       - Subclasses no longer need to normalize identifiers before
>>>       returning them from this property.
>>>       - If you want normalized identifiers, there is now an
>>>       InputGesture.normalizedIdentifiers property which normalizes the
>>>       identifiers returned by the identifiers property .
>>>    - The InputGesture.logIdentifier property is now deprecated. Callers
>>>    should use InputGesture.identifiers[0] instead. (#6945
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6945>)
>>>    - Removed some deprecated code:
>>>       - `speech.REASON_*` constants: `controlTypes.REASON_*` should be
>>>       used instead. (#6846
>>> <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6846>
>>>       )
>>>       - `i18nName` for synth settings: `displayName` and
>>>       `displayNameWithAccelerator` should be used instead. (#6846
>>>       <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6846>, #5185
>>>       <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5185>)
>>>       - `config.validateConfig`. (#6846
>>>       <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6846>, #667
>>>       <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/667>)
>>>       - `config.save`: `config.conf.save` should be used instead. (#6846
>>>       <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6846>, #667
>>>       <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/667>)
>>>    - The list of completions in the autocomplete context menu of the
>>>    Python Console no longer shows any object path leading up to the
>>> final
>>>    symbol being completed. (#7023
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7023>)
>>>    - There is now a unit testing framework for NVDA. (#7026
>>>    <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7026>)
>>>       - Unit tests and infrastructure are located in the tests/unit
>>>       directory. See the docstring in the tests\unit\*init*.py file for
>>>       details.
>>>       - You can run tests using "scons tests". See the "Running Tests"
>>>       section of readme.md for details.
>>>       - If you are submitting a pull request for NVDA, you should first
>>>       run the tests and ensure they pass.
>>>
>>> Kind regards
>>>
>>> Quentin.
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>
>>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
>>> available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>>> www.nvaccess.org
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Quentin Christensen
>> Training and Support Manager
>>
>> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>
>> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
>> www.nvaccess.org
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
>


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in the very authentic narration is:
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best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org






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Training and Support Manager

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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: Moving to NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Nasrin,

That's right, Input gestures lets you assign keystrokes to various NVDA functions.  There are a range of reasons why you might want to do this: from having a keyboard with a particular key missing or not working, or you have trouble reaching a certain key combination, or it conflicts with a key combination from another program you use etc, all the way to you are used to a certain keystroke from another screen reader and want to replicate it with NVDA.

Firstly, your NVDA key will either be INSERT, or CAPS LOCK.  So, to get into the Input Gestures dialog:

1. Press NVDA+N to open the NVDA menu.
2. Press P for preferences.
3. Press N or else use the ARROW KEYS to get to Input Gestures (it's near the bottom of the list) and press ENTER.

The main part of the dialog is a tree view, that is, you can use the up and down arrow keys to move between items.  When NVDA announces an item as "collapsed", you can press the right arrow to open it and then sub-items are listed below.  For instance, inside "Browse Mode" are all the Browse Mode single letter navigation keys.  Under each item is a further level with each of the keys / keystrokes to activate that function.  Under the "Activate the current object in the document" there are three keystrokes, SPACEBAR, NUMPAD ENTER and ENTER.

To add a new shortcut, locate the action to add a shortcut for, then press ALT+A.  Next, press the shortcut key to be associated with the action.  A context menu opens - press the DOWN ARROW and select whether the keystroke is to be used for the current keyboard layout (desktop or laptop) or all layouts.

Press ENTER again to close the dialog.

Note the relevant section of the User Guide is here: file:///C:/Program%20Files%20(x86)/NVDA/documentation/en/userGuide.html#InputGestures

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:28 PM, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin.
i wish that know about imput gestures.
is it shortcut customization?
i could not learn how to use it and whats it!
thanks so much for your kindness and help and God bless you.

On 6/1/17, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> And that is also my complaint against aggregators and programs that do
> something for you.  Radio station aggregators are very convenient.  But if
> someone is learning to use the Internet, they hneed to learn how to do
> effective searches and using an aggregator before such skills are developed
> removes what may be an important motivation for learning.  Likewise,
> programs like Kurzweil and Openbook, with their searches of sites like Book
> Share built in, remove incentives to practice and learn how to do effective
> searches on the Internet.  I have nothing against such features per se.  But
> they shouldn't be taught or used until the person learns how to do what they
> do using Internet search engines and working with the sites themselves.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin Huber
> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 1:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving to NVDA
>
>
> Hi Gene:
>
> I totally agree with you.  Having used all three screen readers and
> the office ribbon itself, I find that it is easiest to learn something
> new as it is and not dressed up to look like something you are
> familiar with.
> Kevin Huber
>
>
>
> On 5/31/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
>> On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:53 am, Gene wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I consider the Window-eyes JAWS emulation layout to be a gimmick that
>>> actually works against people learning Window-eyes fully since the JAWS
>>> emulation doesn't incorporate all the Window-eyes commands.
>>
>> And I have to concur.
>>
>> In virtually all cases the "crutches" that are offered are just that:
>>  crutches.   I don't like the JAWS virtual ribbon because it stops people
>> from learning how to use the Windows ribbon, which is never going away.
>>  There are all sorts of these things and they do as much, sometimes more,
>> damage than good.
>>
>> Not having used Window Eyes much I can't speak to what it would be like
>> to
>> transition to either JAWS or NVDA, but having done the JAWS to NVDA
>> learning
>> myself, and flip-flopping back and forth between the two, both are most
>> functional when understood on their own terms.  And what they have in
>> common
>> is, in my opinion, far more than what separates them (though some of
>> those
>> separating things can come in really, really handy at times on both sides
>> of
>> the equation).
>>
>> --
>> Brian  - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332
>>
>> *     * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
>> But
>> the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*
>>
>> *           ~ * *Niels Bohr*
>>
>
>
>


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www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: marking messages as read or replied in thunderbird

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi


You will need to do the following

first when you go up or down your treeview when you tab into your message header, you will need to do the following.

Change in to object navigation mode use the nvda key + one on the numeric keypad.


On my desktop computer use the nvda key + 4 on the numeric keypad until you hear list.

next use the nvda key + 2 on the numeric keypad to go down a level. You should then hear NVDA say Thread Display message threads.

next use the nvda key +number 6 on the numeric keypad to keep on going right. you will hear some thing like select columns to display button. When you hear this use the nvda key + enter key on the numeric keypad to activate it Not sure if the space bar or enter will do it without doing it, but the other way should work

it should then do a drop down list of which you can use the arrow keys to go down or up the list in this case down. find the status one then press the enter key on it so it is checked.


After that it should tell you if you replied etc


There are written directions that got updated on the accessible email client page that says what to do as it changed so got updated.

it also covers moving columns.


Gene nz




On 2/06/2017 5:48 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,

How do I mark messages as read or replied in thunderbird? I used to know how to mark messages but I can't recall the steps to do this. It's been a while since I marked messages as read or replied.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: How NVDA works: feature development

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Joseph,

Great work, as always!  It could indeed be something we do a feature on in In-Process as I think we have a wide range of readers and it is interesting to touch on all aspects of the process from all different views.

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

A few days ago I posted on the NVDA development list that I’ll be sending a message about feature development on the users list. Then I thought about making this a regular series in hopes that users would understand how NVDA works and appreciate the work that goes on behind the scenes.

 

But before I do so, an important announcement:

 

ACB Radio’s Main Menu for June 2nd will be devoted to NVDACon 2017 keynote. You can go to acbradio.org to listen to the show at 6 PM Pacific (9 PM Eastern and other times elsewhere).

 

Back to the subject at hand:

 

Recently, NV Access has set out to improve their brand image, and one of them was deployed on NVDA alpha builds not long ago: new sounds. I’m sure some of you may have tasted it, and for those who didn’t, don’t worry, it’ll come to you at a later date.

 

One of the questions that came up during our discussion of new sounds was feature development. As an answer, I’d like to give you an overview of how a feature is born and make it to NVDA stable builds, with a recent addition of ability to disable add-ons as an example (a feature I enjoyed implementing and had massive impact on your NVDA lives).

 

In 2013, I posted a suggestion to an older bug tracking system NV Access employed, asking if there could be a way to disable individual add-ons. I forgot about this suggestion until last year when I somehow stumbled upon that issue. Thus began a journey to bring this feature to life, culminating in NVDA 2016.3 release where it did come to life.

 

To start with, I’d like to say that developing features in NVDA is fun yet challenging. You get to learn how certain things work behind the scenes, yet at the same time you are responsible to making sure your code doesn’t ruin someone’s hard work at his or her office. In other words, every code fragment you write impacts someone, and I can give you various examples regarding this (both from NVDA Core development and in add-ons world).

 

In regards to feature development, I didn’t start coding right away. I began with writing specifications, imagining how users would use this functionality. I then presented a prototype, then set out to incorporating it into NVDA itself, then went through a rigorous code review process. After months of work, the feature finally made it to NVDA master branch, and eventually it landed as part of NVDA 2016.3.

 

The ability to disable individual add-ons works by checking if an add-on is part of a set of add-ons that should be disabled at startup. By disabling add-ons, you’re effectively telling NVDA, “I want this add-on to be included in a set of disabled add-ons” and vice versa (if you’re enabling add-ons). In order to avoid technical issues encountered when NVDA resumes from a crash, I told NVDA to save this disabled add-ons set to disk when you exit add-ons manager after enabling or disabling add-ons.

 

Originally, I didn’t allow you to use shortcut commands to enable or disable add-ons from add-ons manager. However, some felt that it would be best to add one, so someone else came along and added that enhancement. The hotkey did make it to NVDA 2016.4.

 

Reference:

 

I hope to present a series of posts like this that explains how features in NVDA work behind the scenes, along with a backstage tour of how they were developed. Please let me know the next feature I should talk about, and if it’s something I don’t know, I’ll try my best to have an expert or the actual feature developer to explain it to you. And yes, one of the future installments might be the ongoing saga of search suggestion sounds.

 

Suggestion for Quentin: If you believe this would be something In-Process would like to talk about, please feel free to incorporate them.

 

Cheers,

Joseph




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Re: marking messages as read or replied in thunderbird

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

hi


You will need to do the following

first when you go up or down your treeview when you tab into your message header, you will need to do the following.

Change in to object navigation mode use the nvda key + one on the numeric keypad.


On my desktop computer use the nvda key + 4 on the numeric keypad until you hear list.

next use the nvda key + 2 on the numeric keypad to go down a level. You should then hear NVDA say Thread Display message threads.

next use the nvda key +number 6 on the numeric keypad to keep on going right. you will hear some thing like select columns to display button. When you hear this use the nvda key + enter key on the numeric keypad to activate it Not sure if the space bar or enter will do it without doing it, but the other way should work

it should then do a drop down list of which you can use the arrow keys to go down or up the list in this case down. find the status one then press the enter key on it so it is checked.


After that it should tell you if you replied etc


There are written directions that got updated on the accessible email client page that says what to do as it changed so got updated.

it also covers moving columns.


Gene nz




On 2/06/2017 5:48 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, everyone,

How do I mark messages as read or replied in thunderbird? I used to know how to mark messages but I can't recall the steps to do this. It's been a while since I marked messages as read or replied.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie




--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: moving to NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi thanks


I have disabled them now all of them i ended up going through the add on section in the browser


On 2/06/2017 5:00 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi gene.
about windows eyes i heard thats its completely commercial like jaws.
am i right?
and about automatic playing of video in websites:
in the address bar of firefox type about:config
then press enter twice and accept the risk.
then type these in the search bar or copy them one by one and press
enter to make them false.
it prevents, automatic playing of any media files in different windows
versions using websites.
i also dont have flash player and this is very helpful for security
and also preventing automatic playing medias.
media.directshow.enabled
media.autoplay.enabled
media.play-stand-alone

On 6/2/17, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:
hi quentin and all developers.
i have a suggestion in this regard.
make tutorial available and let users select what they want to read first.
for example: basic tutorial for voices, reading texts, reading web
pages, nvda command, etc.
like user guide but more simple and shorter than user guide that
novice users can learn how to use nvda in the first time.

On 6/2/17, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
I just downloaded a copy of Windows eyes the free version and it did some
thing simular to what is spoken when setting up.


I do not think there was a interactive tutorial, but the thing i did like
was tips on using it.


There is a add on that is simular that can be found at
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/tipOfTheDay.en.html

It is called tip of the day and i wonder how many new users know of it or
even where to get them from. At present it is a separate add on and not
part
of nvda.


I put new users of nvda once nvda has been downloaded i install the add
on
and show them where to get resources from to help them.


Most people know the basics but in short bursts like the tip of the day
add
on it is a good way to get some one up and running.


It can always be added to.


The idea of a interactive tutorial i have only used on a apple phone and
a
android phone. it was just as easy for me to grab the gestures to learn
but
that was more with a touch screen.


You do not want information overload and object navigation would do that
to
a new user. There are people on this list who might only do the basics
and
that is all they want to know.


I just looked at the welcome dialogue and that tells you how to get into
the
user manual which a new user could do easily then pick out wheather he
learns the desk top layout for a desktop or the other for a laptop.
then learn a little at a time.

.

I wanted to find out a little more say for guides or help on the nvaccess
website from nvda and as soon as you go to the website it plays the
video.
That i am guessing is a turn off and makes you want to get out of there
quick.
I know the idea was to pro moat nvda with the video, but i think it
should
not automatically play.

If i done that to my pages on my website on every one i wonder how many
people whould come back.
Funny thing it happens in mozilla fire fox but not my other browsers so
does
that happen to other people using mozilla fire fox? or not? maybe there
is
some thing that needs to be disabled in my browser from playing
automatically.
.

What it is would any one have a clue it is driving me crazy when it does
it.

.

I guess for a new user it helps if they are pointed in the right area
from
the screen reader.
I guess as in training resources if needed.

Gene nz

The stuff i would want to find is the shop pretty easy to get there and
was
looking for resources to help me learn not that i need it.
The guides are some where there or are they off the community website? or
even some of the other resources?


I do not know how others feel about the video that plays straight away but
i
do not like it i would rather click on it if i want to listen to it.
A new user would freak and could confuse them even more.


Gene nz

On 2/06/2017 3:20 PM, Gene wrote:
On other e-mail lists I'm on, new users often have certain questions.
The
best thing might be to have a short document explaining certain things
that
appear likely to be the most asked and/or the most useful.

The document could explain how to change synthesizers and speed
parameters.
A very often asked question, how do you unload NVDA, could be answered.
I'm
not sure if users see information on running NVDA with a short cut
command
when they install it.  Perhaps it should say that if they are using a
portable version, no such icons or commands will be made.
I don't think it's a good idea to give too much information.  The things
people would probably want to know immediately are how to work with
speech
and synthesizers, how to unload the program, the read to ed command, and
how
to run it.  How to look at help would be a good thing to tell people and
also, how to get tutorials since, presumably, a lot of people would
rather
learn from a tutorial.

This document could be a part of help and it could be shown until a do
not
show this check gbox is checked.  A certain amount of information is
already
shown and continues to be shown when the program runs but my recollection
is
that it isn't as much as I have suggested and that many important things
for
new users are not discussed such as how to get to help and where to look
for
tutorials and some other things I've discussed.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee<mailto:joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

Hi,
Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from
welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want
it
to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for
new
users.

I created an issue to document the idea:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242  Feel free to comment on the
issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any
progress of it.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy
<joshknnd1982@...<mailto:joshknnd1982@...>> wrote:
I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would
have
a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer
that
would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will
for
those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be
a
yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all
voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft
speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a
keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a
voice,
hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when
you
first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an
interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff
like
lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up
a
sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar
with
some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would
guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to
find
certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock
enter,
and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it
would
let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of
the
current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by
hitting
escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard
you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using
NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only
edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a
tutorial
and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select
your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly
downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching
to
the newly downloaded free voice.







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Re: moving to NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Do not worry about the part now about the video playing automatically  i have disabled all the add ons in my browser then go back and see which one was causing it.


But the other questions still hope  sound right.


Gene nz

.


now it does not automatically play it was driving me crazy.


Gene nz



On 2/06/2017 4:37 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

I just downloaded a copy of Windows eyes the free version and it did some thing simular to what is spoken when setting up.


I do not think there was a interactive tutorial, but the thing i did like was tips on using it.


There is a add on that is simular that can be found at https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/tipOfTheDay.en.html

It is called tip of the day and i wonder how many new users know of it or even where to get them from. At present it is a separate add on and not part of nvda.


I put new users of nvda once nvda has been downloaded i install the add on and show them where to get resources from to help them.


Most people know the basics but in short bursts like the tip of the day add on it is a good way to get some one up and running.


It can always be added to.


The idea of a interactive tutorial i have only used on a apple phone and a android phone. it was just as easy for me to grab the gestures to learn but that was more with a touch screen.


You do not want information overload and object navigation would do that to a new user. There are people on this list who might only do the basics and that is all they want to know.


I just looked at the welcome dialogue and that tells you how to get into the user manual which a new user could do easily then pick out wheather he learns the desk top layout for a desktop or the other for a laptop.
then learn a little at a time.

.

I wanted to find out a little more say for guides or help on the nvaccess website from nvda and as soon as you go to the website it plays the video. That i am guessing is a turn off and makes you want to get out of there quick.
I know the idea was to pro moat nvda with the video, but i think it should not automatically play.

If i done that to my pages on my website on every one i wonder how many people whould come back.
Funny thing it happens in mozilla fire fox but not my other browsers so does that happen to other people using mozilla fire fox? or not? maybe there is some thing that needs to be disabled in my browser from playing automatically.
.

What it is would any one have a clue it is driving me crazy when it does it.

.

I guess for a new user it helps if they are pointed in the right area from the screen reader.
I guess as in training resources if needed.

Gene nz
 
The stuff i would want to find is the shop pretty easy to get there and was looking for resources to help me learn not that i need it.
The guides are some where there or are they off the community website? or even some of the other resources?


I do not know how others feel about the video that plays straight away but i do not like it i would rather click on it if i want to listen to it.
A new user would freak and could confuse them even more.


Gene nz

On 2/06/2017 3:20 PM, Gene wrote:
On other e-mail lists I'm on, new users often have certain questions.  The best thing might be to have a short document explaining certain things that appear likely to be the most asked and/or the most useful. 
 
The document could explain how to change synthesizers and speed parameters.  A very often asked question, how do you unload NVDA, could be answered.  I'm not sure if users see information on running NVDA with a short cut command when they install it.  Perhaps it should say that if they are using a portable version, no such icons or commands will be made.
I don't think it's a good idea to give too much information.  The things people would probably want to know immediately are how to work with speech and synthesizers, how to unload the program, the read to ed command, and how to run it.  How to look at help would be a good thing to tell people and also, how to get tutorials since, presumably, a lot of people would rather learn from a tutorial.  
 
This document could be a part of help and it could be shown until a do not show this check gbox is checked.  A certain amount of information is already shown and continues to be shown when the program runs but my recollection is that it isn't as much as I have suggested and that many important things for new users are not discussed such as how to get to help and where to look for tutorials and some other things I've discussed.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

Hi,

Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

 

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want it to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for new users.

 

I created an issue to document the idea: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242  Feel free to comment on the issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any progress of it.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.






 

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Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
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Re: moving to NVDA

Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


Do not worry about the part now about the video playing automatically  i have disabled all the add ons in my browser then go back and see which one was causing it.


But the other questions still hope  sound right.


Gene nz



On 2/06/2017 4:37 PM, Gene New Zealand wrote:

I just downloaded a copy of Windows eyes the free version and it did some thing simular to what is spoken when setting up.


I do not think there was a interactive tutorial, but the thing i did like was tips on using it.


There is a add on that is simular that can be found at https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/tipOfTheDay.en.html

It is called tip of the day and i wonder how many new users know of it or even where to get them from. At present it is a separate add on and not part of nvda.


I put new users of nvda once nvda has been downloaded i install the add on and show them where to get resources from to help them.


Most people know the basics but in short bursts like the tip of the day add on it is a good way to get some one up and running.


It can always be added to.


The idea of a interactive tutorial i have only used on a apple phone and a android phone. it was just as easy for me to grab the gestures to learn but that was more with a touch screen.


You do not want information overload and object navigation would do that to a new user. There are people on this list who might only do the basics and that is all they want to know.


I just looked at the welcome dialogue and that tells you how to get into the user manual which a new user could do easily then pick out wheather he learns the desk top layout for a desktop or the other for a laptop.
then learn a little at a time.

.

I wanted to find out a little more say for guides or help on the nvaccess website from nvda and as soon as you go to the website it plays the video. That i am guessing is a turn off and makes you want to get out of there quick.
I know the idea was to pro moat nvda with the video, but i think it should not automatically play.

If i done that to my pages on my website on every one i wonder how many people whould come back.
Funny thing it happens in mozilla fire fox but not my other browsers so does that happen to other people using mozilla fire fox? or not? maybe there is some thing that needs to be disabled in my browser from playing automatically.
.

What it is would any one have a clue it is driving me crazy when it does it.

.

I guess for a new user it helps if they are pointed in the right area from the screen reader.
I guess as in training resources if needed.

Gene nz
 
The stuff i would want to find is the shop pretty easy to get there and was looking for resources to help me learn not that i need it.
The guides are some where there or are they off the community website? or even some of the other resources?


I do not know how others feel about the video that plays straight away but i do not like it i would rather click on it if i want to listen to it.
A new user would freak and could confuse them even more.


Gene nz

On 2/06/2017 3:20 PM, Gene wrote:
On other e-mail lists I'm on, new users often have certain questions.  The best thing might be to have a short document explaining certain things that appear likely to be the most asked and/or the most useful. 
 
The document could explain how to change synthesizers and speed parameters.  A very often asked question, how do you unload NVDA, could be answered.  I'm not sure if users see information on running NVDA with a short cut command when they install it.  Perhaps it should say that if they are using a portable version, no such icons or commands will be made.
I don't think it's a good idea to give too much information.  The things people would probably want to know immediately are how to work with speech and synthesizers, how to unload the program, the read to ed command, and how to run it.  How to look at help would be a good thing to tell people and also, how to get tutorials since, presumably, a lot of people would rather learn from a tutorial.  
 
This document could be a part of help and it could be shown until a do not show this check gbox is checked.  A certain amount of information is already shown and continues to be shown when the program runs but my recollection is that it isn't as much as I have suggested and that many important things for new users are not discussed such as how to get to help and where to look for tutorials and some other things I've discussed.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

Hi,

Wouldn’t it be better if we provide a button to open the user guide from welcome dialog? See my comment on that issue.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 5:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] moving to NVDA

 

I like the idea, I think as the others have said, that you wouldn't want it to be too in-depth (eg object navigation) as that would be confusing for new users.

 

I created an issue to document the idea: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7242  Feel free to comment on the issue if you'd like to clarify anything or subscribe to be updated on any progress of it.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 10:01 PM, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.






 

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


--
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--
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Re: NVDA 2017.2 official release announcement

 

hi quentin.
sorry for the delay.
i had not internet charge for three weeks.
i waited for nvda 17.2 for months and i follow its progress in github.
i dont forget you in my five times daily obligotary prayers and i
request divine infinite mercy and blessings for you.

On 5/30/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
The user interface translation changes all the messages and dialog box text
into the chosen language. The Burmese eSpeak changes the way the voice
speaks to pronounce letter groups and words, as they would normally be in
Burmese speech. Your system language will determine the default behaviour
of NVDA, but you could change the language to Burmese and choose a Burmese
synthesizer. It won't actually translate anything though, so if you try
and read say a Word document that is in English, it will still read it in
English, just with very odd pronunciation.



On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:14 PM, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@icloud.com>
wrote:

OK, so when you see that NVDA has a new language, you don't mean that I
can now access Burmese from my English NVDA. Darn it darn it darn! There
is
an E speak and G voice for Burmese, but it's terrible in my view, even
though I don't speak Burmese.

On May 29, 2017, at 17:09, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>
wrote:

Hi Ben,

Good questions. Re Burmese, the translation was done by native speakers
in Myanmar.

Re Aria-current. I can't find any statistics on how commonly it is used
yet, however having it working means that as and when you do come across
a
web page which uses it, you should find that NVDA is able to handle it
correctly, so that's a good thing!

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Ben J. Bloomgren <bbloomgren@icloud.com>
wrote:

OK, here goes my geeky self.

Burmese is one of those difficult languages from Southeast Asia. How
well
has anyone heard it working.? I think my night is eighty-sixed. I can't
wait to also look at edge more. How well used is the aria current
attribute?

Thanks,

Ben

On May 29, 2017, at 16:26, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org>
wrote:

Hi everyone,

NVDA 2017.2 is officially available.

See the announcement here: https://www.nvaccess.org
/post/announcing-nvda-2017-2-release/

Version 2017.2 of the free NVDA screen Reader from NV Access is now
available for download. Highlights of this release include full support
for
audio ducking in the Windows 10 Creators Update; fixes for several
selection issues in browse mode, including problems with select all;
significant improvements in Microsoft Edge support; and improvements on
the
web such as indication of elements marked as current (using
aria-current).

NVDA is used by 10s of thousands of blind and vision impaired people
spanning more than 120 countries, enabling them to socialise, get an
education and participate in the workforce regardless of their location,
language or economic situation. However, NV Access needs your help to
continue this important work. Please consider making a donation
<https://www.nvaccess.org/donate/> when downloading.

To download NVDA, please visit our Download
<https://www.nvaccess.org/download/> page.
The full what's new is below, which I know if of interest to many:

2017.2

Highlights of this release include full support for audio ducking in the
Windows 10 Creators Update; fixes for several selection issues in browse
mode, including problems with select all; significant improvements in
Microsoft Edge support; and improvements on the web such as indication
of
elements marked as current (using aria-current).
New Features

- Cell border information can now be reported in Microsoft Excel by
using NVDA+f. (#3044 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3044>)
- In web browsers, NVDA now indicates when an element has been marked
as current (specifically, using the aria-current attribute). (#6358
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6358>)
- Automatic language switching is now supported in Microsoft Edge. (
#6852 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6852>)
- Added support for Windows Calculator on Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB
(Long-Term Servicing Branch) and Server. (#6914
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6914>)
- Performing the read current line command three times quickly spells
the line with character descriptions. (#6893
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6893>)
- New language: Burmese.
- Unicode up and down arrows and fraction symbols are now spoken
appropriately. (#3805 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3805>)

Changes

- When navigating with simple review in applications using UI
Automation, more extraneous objects are now ignored, making
navigation
easier. (#6948 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6948>, #6950
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6950>)

Bug Fixes

- Web page menu items can now be activated while in browse mode. (
#6735 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6735>)
- Pressing escape while the configuration profile "Confirm Deletion"
dialog is active now dismisses the dialog. (#6851
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6851>)
- Fixed some crashes in Mozilla Firefox and other Gecko applications
where the multi-process feature is enabled. (#6885
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6885>)
- Reporting of background color in screen review is now more accurate
when text was drawn with a transparent background. (#6467
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6467>)
- Improved support for control descriptions provided on web pages in
Internet Explorer 11 (specifically, support for aria-describedby
within
iframes and when multiple IDs are provided). (#5784
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5784>)
- In the Windows 10 Creators Update, NVDA's audio ducking again works
as in previous Windows releases; i.e. Duck with speech and sounds,
always
duck and no ducking are all available. (#6933
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6933>)
- NVDA will no longer fail to navigate to or report certain (UIA)
controls where a keyboard shortcut is not defined. (#6779
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6779>)
- Two empty spaces are no longer added in keyboard shortcut
information for certain (UIA) controls. (#6790
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6790>)
- Certain combinations of keys on HIMS displays (e.g. space+dot4) no
longer fail intermittently. (#3157
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3157>)
- Fixed an issue when opening a serial port on systems using certain
languages other than English which caused connecting to braille
displays to
fail in some cases. (#6845
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6845>)
- Reduced the chance of the configuration file being corrupted when
Windows shuts down. Configuration files are now written to a temporary
file
before replacing the actual configuration file. (#3165
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/3165>)
- When performing the read current line command twice quickly to
spell the line, the appropriate language is now used for the spelled
characters. (#6726 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6726>)
- Navigating by line in Microsoft Edge is now up to three times
faster in the Windows 10 Creators Update. (#6994
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6994>)
- NVDA no longer announces "Web Runtime grouping" when focusing
Microsoft Edge documents in the Windows 10 Creators Update. (#6948
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6948>)
- All existing versions of SecureCRT are now supported. (#6302
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6302>)
- Adobe Acrobat Reader no longer crashes in certain PDF documents
(specifically, those containing empty ActualText attributes). (#7021
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7021>, #7034
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7034>)
- In browse mode in Microsoft Edge, interactive tables (ARIA grids)
are no longer skipped when navigating to tables with t and shift+t. (
#6977 <https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6977>)
- In browse mode, pressing shift+home after selecting forward now
unselects to the beginning of the line as expected. (#5746
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5746>)
- In browse mode, select all (control+a) no longer fails to select
all text if the caret is not at the start of the text. (#6909
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6909>)
- Fixed some other rare selection problems in browse mode. (#7131
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7131>)

Changes for Developers

- Commandline arguments are now processed with Python's argparse
module, rather than optparse. This allows certain options such as -r
and -q
to be handled exclusively. (#6865
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6865>)
- core.callLater now queues the callback to NVDA's main queue after
the given delay, rather than waking the core and executing it
directly.
This stops possible freezes due to the core accidentally going to
sleep
after processing a callback, in the midle of a modal call such as the
desplaying of a message box. (#6797
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6797>)
- The InputGesture.identifiers property has been changed so that it
is no longer normalized. (#6945
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6945>)
- Subclasses no longer need to normalize identifiers before
returning them from this property.
- If you want normalized identifiers, there is now an
InputGesture.normalizedIdentifiers property which normalizes the
identifiers returned by the identifiers property .
- The InputGesture.logIdentifier property is now deprecated. Callers
should use InputGesture.identifiers[0] instead. (#6945
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6945>)
- Removed some deprecated code:
- `speech.REASON_*` constants: `controlTypes.REASON_*` should be
used instead. (#6846
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6846>
)
- `i18nName` for synth settings: `displayName` and
`displayNameWithAccelerator` should be used instead. (#6846
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6846>, #5185
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/5185>)
- `config.validateConfig`. (#6846
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6846>, #667
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/667>)
- `config.save`: `config.conf.save` should be used instead. (#6846
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/6846>, #667
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/667>)
- The list of completions in the autocomplete context menu of the
Python Console no longer shows any object path leading up to the
final
symbol being completed. (#7023
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7023>)
- There is now a unit testing framework for NVDA. (#7026
<https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/7026>)
- Unit tests and infrastructure are located in the tests/unit
directory. See the docstring in the tests\unit\*init*.py file for
details.
- You can run tests using "scons tests". See the "Running Tests"
section of readme.md for details.
- If you are submitting a pull request for NVDA, you should first
run the tests and ensure they pass.

Kind regards

Quentin.
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Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
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--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess




--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306
www.nvaccess.org
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess
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in the very authentic narration is:
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Re: NVDA with Edge browser

 

hi/
i remember that somewhere i read that edge has a bug that hackers can
still cookies, but i dont remember the address of website.
and gene i agree with your comment.

On 5/31/17, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Its supposed to be more secure, but I still find it awkward for downloads
and some other things and prefer Firefox as it runs on older systems as well

and has a well known interface.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 4:00 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA with Edge browser


I am finding that the latest version of NVDA works pretty well with the
Edge browser. Guess my question now is what advantages does the Edge
browser have over any other browser? Maybe a tutorial for Edge is out
there somewhere that would answer such questions. I would like to get away

from using the IE browser as it crashes more than Firefox or ?Google
Chrome.
I really appreciate all the people who work on the development of NVDA.
Thanks





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marking messages as read or replied in thunderbird

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

How do I mark messages as read or replied in thunderbird? I used to know how to mark messages but I can't recall the steps to do this. It's been a while since I marked messages as read or replied.

Thanks for your help in advance.

Rosemarie


Important Button On Weather Underground Settings Page Will Not Activate With NVDA

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


I know that some people have reported this type of an issue on some web pages. I hadn't seen one recently, but here's one that fits the example.


Recently, the Weather Underground (and this includes the weather Underground braille Page as well) has made changes to it's structure. They no longer have a zip code field for you to enter your zip code to look up local weather conditions. You now must set up an account (there is a free level) and then log in to your home page and get the information there. In order to set up your home page/favorites, after you set up an account, you must click profile/member settings and then home and favorites. Under this menu item, there is a simple form to fill in. Everything goes fine until you try clicking the save to favorites button. When you do this, nothing happens. If it's any consolation, JAWS and Narrator fare no better.


I don't know if anything can be done about this, but I thought it was worth reporting to this list--since others have found similar pages where this has occurred.


--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

NVDA is the only free open-source screen reader I know of.

On 6/1/2017 10:20 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
for me it causes conflict installing more than one screen reader and
my screen readers hang.
but i only told my experience using windows xp in my laptop but for
others, the result was good.
i have one question.
is nvda only free screen reader or is there any other free and
opensource screen reader too?
thanks.

On 6/1/17, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sally:

You definitely don't want them running at the same time because not
only iwill the speech be confusing but the keyboard commands will not
work well because, for instance Window-eyes uses insert-q to announce
your battery status if you are using a laptop, and NVDA uses that same
key combination to close the program, so when they are both running,
insert-q can either perform one action or the other.
Kevin Huber



On 5/31/17, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before
uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to
avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally






Re: Moving to NVDA

 

hi quentin.
i wish that know about imput gestures.
is it shortcut customization?
i could not learn how to use it and whats it!
thanks so much for your kindness and help and God bless you.

On 6/1/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
And that is also my complaint against aggregators and programs that do
something for you. Radio station aggregators are very convenient. But if
someone is learning to use the Internet, they hneed to learn how to do
effective searches and using an aggregator before such skills are developed
removes what may be an important motivation for learning. Likewise,
programs like Kurzweil and Openbook, with their searches of sites like Book
Share built in, remove incentives to practice and learn how to do effective
searches on the Internet. I have nothing against such features per se. But
they shouldn't be taught or used until the person learns how to do what they
do using Internet search engines and working with the sites themselves.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Huber
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Moving to NVDA


Hi Gene:

I totally agree with you. Having used all three screen readers and
the office ribbon itself, I find that it is easiest to learn something
new as it is and not dressed up to look like something you are
familiar with.
Kevin Huber



On 5/31/17, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:53 am, Gene wrote:


I consider the Window-eyes JAWS emulation layout to be a gimmick that
actually works against people learning Window-eyes fully since the JAWS
emulation doesn't incorporate all the Window-eyes commands.
And I have to concur.

In virtually all cases the "crutches" that are offered are just that:
crutches. I don't like the JAWS virtual ribbon because it stops people
from learning how to use the Windows ribbon, which is never going away.
There are all sorts of these things and they do as much, sometimes more,
damage than good.

Not having used Window Eyes much I can't speak to what it would be like
to
transition to either JAWS or NVDA, but having done the JAWS to NVDA
learning
myself, and flip-flopping back and forth between the two, both are most
functional when understood on their own terms. And what they have in
common
is, in my opinion, far more than what separates them (though some of
those
separating things can come in really, really handy at times on both sides
of
the equation).

--
Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1703, Build 15063.332

* * *The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement.* *
But
the opposite of a profound truth may well be another* * profound truth.*

* ~ * *Niels Bohr*

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we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: installing NVDA on a machine with Window-eyes already installed

 

hi.
for me it causes conflict installing more than one screen reader and
my screen readers hang.
but i only told my experience using windows xp in my laptop but for
others, the result was good.
i have one question.
is nvda only free screen reader or is there any other free and
opensource screen reader too?
thanks.

On 6/1/17, Kevin Huber <kevin.huber1@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Sally:

You definitely don't want them running at the same time because not
only iwill the speech be confusing but the keyboard commands will not
work well because, for instance Window-eyes uses insert-q to announce
your battery status if you are using a laptop, and NVDA uses that same
key combination to close the program, so when they are both running,
insert-q can either perform one action or the other.
Kevin Huber



On 5/31/17, Sally Kiebdaj <fiddle.pup@gmail.com> wrote:
Good morning list,


How much hassle am I asking for if I install NVDA on my laptop before
uninstalling window-eyes? I'm hoping to do a soft transition but want to
avoid software conflicts.


I would never actually run these simultaneously, obviously.


Suggestions welcome.


Thank you!

Sally






--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org


Re: Hot Keys in Gmail to Forward Email with Attachment

 

hi.
use alt+shift+f to activate forward.
then you can send your emails completely and there is no seperation
for attachments.
i use web interface of gmail in basic html view using firefox.
hope that help and God bless you all.

On 6/2/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
What e-mail program are you using? Or are you using a web mail interface
and if so, which one?

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David Russell
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 4:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Hot Keys in Gmail to Forward Email with Attachment


Hi NVDA Group,
FireFox is my browser.
I cannot find user-friendly steps to forward an email that includes an
attached document that I wish to forward to a business associate.
The email will forward but the attachment will not.

Moreover, The icon labeled "more" cannot be found when using the
arrow keys in the forward message box. Is there a simple solution?

Thanks.
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


--
we have not sent you but as a mercy to the creation.
holy quran, chapter 21, verse 107.
in the very authentic narration is:
imam hosein is the beacon of light and the ark of salvation.
best website for studying islamic book in different languages
al-islam.org