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Re: love the new sounds

Kara Goldfinch <kara.louise18@...>
 

I'm glad you like them.
I created the startup and shutdown sounds, and Andre Louis created the rest.

All the best,
Kara

On 31/05/2017 22:11, Dennis L wrote:

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..



Re: love the new sounds

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

I would also like to vote for this feature. I don't use the sounds myself.

On June 1, 2017 8:28:44 AM "Laz" <laz@talkingmp3players.com> wrote:

My vote is for the capability of turning off sounds.

Laz

On 6/1/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short
blank wave files in the sounds folder. I see no reason for any sounds and I
think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want
any. Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd
and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake. Why does one of
the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a
frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord? Why do the start
and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the
intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness. I'm not saying
I like the newer or the older sounds more. As I said, I don't like sounds
in general. but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds
sound as they do should be reconsidered. Maybe a pleasant chord sounding
like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord
should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream
flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be
used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of
a trumpet playing a note.

I'm not advocating for these specific sounds. I'm saying that just odd
sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis
on which to define sounds, in my opinion.

Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds. It might take
sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with
whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original
NVDA sounds.

And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows
and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds


Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am
currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder
of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to
test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis's opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old
ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use
with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an
extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don't know whether this can be
done, that's for the developers to decide of course.

That's my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don't all share the
same opinion, that's all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of
sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis
L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds



I love the new sounds they should be an option. Give an option to revert to
the old sound scheme for those that want it..



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Re: love the new sounds

Laz
 

My vote is for the capability of turning off sounds.

Laz

On 6/1/17, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com> wrote:
I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short
blank wave files in the sounds folder. I see no reason for any sounds and I
think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want
any. Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd
and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake. Why does one of
the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a
frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord? Why do the start
and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the
intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness. I'm not saying
I like the newer or the older sounds more. As I said, I don't like sounds
in general. but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds
sound as they do should be reconsidered. Maybe a pleasant chord sounding
like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord
should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream
flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be
used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of
a trumpet playing a note.

I'm not advocating for these specific sounds. I'm saying that just odd
sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis
on which to define sounds, in my opinion.

Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds. It might take
sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with
whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original
NVDA sounds.

And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows
and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds


Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am
currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder
of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to
test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis's opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old
ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use
with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an
extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don't know whether this can be
done, that's for the developers to decide of course.

That's my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don't all share the
same opinion, that's all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of
sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis
L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds



I love the new sounds they should be an option. Give an option to revert to
the old sound scheme for those that want it..


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Re: braille note classic nvda support?

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
How do I get NVDA to work with my braillenote touch?
No matter what I do, I gett a message about the drivers not being loaded.
How can I fix this?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 1, 2017, at 6:05 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
Yes it does.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] braille note classic nvda support?

Hello out of curiousity does nvda support the older braille note classics, say from 2003?

I have a brialle note classic that some one gave me and I am wanting to use it as a external braille display, and possibly a external synth

the synth that is uses is

keynote sa

I have a serial to usb adapter and the proper plugs pluged in to the adapter.

thanks

Hank








Re: moving to NVDA

Sally Kiebdaj
 

I have definitely used that to refresh my voice-over, chromevox, and talkback skills. It would definitely smooth the transition.


On Jun 1, 2017 08:01, "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...> wrote:
I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current  voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.






moving to NVDA

Josh Kennedy
 

I just had a good idea for NVDA. for those who are new to NVDA it would have a startup wizard with a interactive tutorial and default voice changer that would 1. when you first install it or start the installer wizard it will for those newcomers ask if you want to use the current voice? There would be a yes or no button. If you say no NVDA would bring up a list box with all voices available on the machine, including ability to download microsoft speech platform and one of those voices. It would also let you choose a keyboard layout in the getting started wizard. So you would choose a voice, hit ok, NVDA would use that one as the default during install and when you first run the installed copy. and 2. After installation it would have an interactive tutorial like talkback does on android. It would say stuff like lets practice object navigation and screen review. Then it would bring up a sample desktop with 2 or 3 icons, a list box, a checkbox, and a toolbar with some buttons in it and a sample edit box. The interactive tutorial would guide you through moving in and out of objects, using screen review to find certain items on screen, activating objects with insert or capslock enter, and routing the mouse and clicking. Also during the startup wizard it would let you set the rate and pitch and volume and if needed the variant of the current default voice. You could cancel the interactive tutorial by hitting escape at any time and when you complete the tutorial and startup wizard you'd hit finnish button and you're ready to go with the basics of using NVDA. Also during the interactive tutorial it would bring up a read only edit box with web movement commands you could read. I think such a tutorial and startup wizard would really help newcomers. oh and also in the select your default voice dialog it would give you the option of directly downloading and installing several free voices for you and then switching to the newly downloaded free voice.


Re: New nvda sounds

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
I see your point about the new sounds in the next snapshot not being loud
enough, Brian, so I'd say the sounds from the .zip file you sent us a
Dropbox link to seem like a good compromise for me, more unobtrusive than
the original NVDA sounds but hopefully loud enough for people with hearing
problems to still be able to hear them.
Bye for now!
From Clare

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Sent: jeudi 1 juin 2017 10:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Chuckle..
Try the 'NEXT; branch.
Or for alternatives based on them...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1

Good luck.
Brian

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From: "Noah Carver via Groups.Io" <carvernoah309=yahoo.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


which beta branch contains the new sounds? I personally think a new sound
change might be good. I always hated the default sounds, so much so that I
created my own. Yes, I hate the default ones that much!

Noah Carver

On May 31, 2017, at 19:13, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:

hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.

From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

I thought system access died?


On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:
There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal
notification by default.

System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed
somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to
allow browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on
what you can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a
long time but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do
something I couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and
forms mode.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.


Re: Reading the Windows Explorer Window

Jonathan Milam
 

Thanks, Quentin!  Unfortunately, it just happens randomly.  However, whenever it happens, it impacts Outlook as well.  Perhaps there is an invisible window as Brian indicated, but I am unable to see it if it does exist.  However, when it happens, I can’t navigate at all through Outlook messages, Explorer windows, etc.  It doesn’t seem to impact the web.  Perhaps we can use the Remote feature if you wanted to see it in real time when it happens.

 

Thanks,

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Thursday, June 1, 2017 12:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

 

Can you give steps to reproduce?  Does it happen every time you use the arrow keys in the tree view?

 

I haven't got Windows 8.1 in front of me to test with just now, so if I can get as many details as possible for when I can test it that would be great.

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 10:05 PM, Jonathan Milam <milamj@...> wrote:

I am, WIN8.1.

Jonathan


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Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window

Which version of windows? Are you using an installed version of nvda?
 Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:10 PM
Subject: [nvda] Reading the Windows Explorer Window


> Hi All,
>
>
>
> In 2017.2, and even in earlier versions of NVDA, I am having an issue
> where
> NVDA will not speak the contents of windows explorer windows whenever I
> arrow up and down through listviews.  Is anyone else seeing this?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jonathan
>







 

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Re: love the new sounds

Gene
 

I cause all sounds not to be played, if necessary by inserting very short blank wave files in the sounds folder.  I see no reason for any sounds and I think there should be some sort of all off setting for those who don't want any.  Aside from that, my question is, why do the new sounds have to be odd and novel, seemingly just different for differences' sake.  Why does one of the settings in the browse mode/focus mode notification have to sound like a frog clearing its throat and the other be an odd chord?  Why do the start and unload sounds have to be odd chords whose main purpose aside from the intended one seems to be to call attention to their oddness.  I'm not saying I like the newer or the older sounds more.  As I said, I don't like sounds in general.  but what I'm saying is, maybe the whole idea of why sounds sound as they do should be reconsidered.  Maybe a pleasant chord sounding like a synthesizer imitating a string instrument playing a major chord should signify browse mode while a very different sound, maybe a stream flowing or the musical instrument that sounds like water flowing could be used for focus mode, or if something more assertive is wanted, the sound of a trumpet playing a note. 
 
I'm not advocating for these specific sounds.  I'm saying that just odd sounding novelty for the sake of odd sounding novelty is not a proper basis on which to define sounds, in my opinion. 
 
Why isn't there a feature for the user to define sounds.  It might take sounds from the Windows sounds folder and the user could choose, along with whatever sounds have been selected for the program to use that are original NVDA sounds. 
 
And I'll point out that Microsoft has a none option for events in Windows and a no sounds provile already available as well.
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Clare Page
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 5:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] love the new sounds

Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis’s opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don’t know whether this can be done, that’s for the developers to decide of course.

That’s my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don’t all share the same opinion, that’s all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds

 

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..


Re: love the new sounds

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

After downloading the next snapshot with the new sounds in it, I am currently trying them out, having copied those sounds into the Waves folder of my installed copy of NVDA, as the sounds are the only new thing I want to test right now.

I must say,I agree with Dennis’s opinion below, on both counts.

Much as I personally prefer the new sounds, which are not as loud as the old ones, I agree that there should be the choice of which set of sounds we use with NVDA, even if that means adding an extra dialogue to choose them, or an extra section in the NVDA preferences. I don’t know whether this can be done, that’s for the developers to decide of course.

That’s my two cents worth on this subject, but I know we don’t all share the same opinion, that’s all the more reason to allow us to choose which set of sounds we want if possible while using NVDA.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: mercredi 31 mai 2017 23:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] love the new sounds

 

I love the new sounds they should be an option.  Give an option to revert to the old sound scheme for those that want it..


Re: braille note classic nvda support?

 

Hi,
Yes it does.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] braille note classic nvda support?

Hello out of curiousity does nvda support the older braille note classics, say from 2003?

I have a brialle note classic that some one gave me and I am wanting to use it as a external braille display, and possibly a external synth

the synth that is uses is

keynote sa

I have a serial to usb adapter and the proper plugs pluged in to the adapter.

thanks

Hank


Re: Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2

Quentin Christensen
 

Re Peter's message that Rosemary couldn't read, it said "A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with
the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version."

Re Excel 2003, I did get a log from someone (who confirmed that the cell coordinates setting in document formatting was on, and that log does show errors, so at least we've got something to start looking at.  If anyone else has any odd behaviour to investigate, do feel free to throw it my way (or create an issue on GitHub: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues)

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 7:09 PM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
I notice no issues even with auto switching on, so it has probably got also to do with what is being used to display the message. I'm using Outlook express tweaked for windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2



His message is in English, but the language is set to Danish, so
automatic language switching tries to read it in Danish.

There are two ways to get around this:
1. Turn off automatic language switching in NVDA's Voice Settings
dialog. Disabling that will keep the synthesizer in one language, with
the disadvantage that it won't automatically switch for you if you have
a properly marked up document in multiple languages.
2. Switch to a synthesizer that can't switch languages.

On 5/31/2017 10:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Peter,


I can't read this message. It sounds like it's either in another
language or gibberish. I tried both in outlook and thunderbird and the
same thing. Could it be the encoding? I'm not sure what to make of

it.

Rosemarie
On 5/31/2017 2:33 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with
the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version.

*From:* Daniel Gartmann <mailto:lists@...k>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2




Hi,



Anybody out there using NVDA with Office 2003?



I have a report from one of our users saying that Outlook 2003 freezes
when opening a message. Sorry but at the moment no time available for
gathering logs.



Our solution for now is to reinstall 2017.1 and switch off automatic
updates.



Thanks in advance for your feedback.



Daniel

















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Re: Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2

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I notice no issues even with auto switching on, so it has probably got also to do with what is being used to display the message. I'm using Outlook express tweaked for windows 7.
Brian

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From: "Tyler Spivey" <tspivey@pcdesk.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 7:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2


His message is in English, but the language is set to Danish, so
automatic language switching tries to read it in Danish.

There are two ways to get around this:
1. Turn off automatic language switching in NVDA's Voice Settings
dialog. Disabling that will keep the synthesizer in one language, with
the disadvantage that it won't automatically switch for you if you have
a properly marked up document in multiple languages.
2. Switch to a synthesizer that can't switch languages.

On 5/31/2017 10:33 PM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:
Hi, Peter,


I can't read this message. It sounds like it's either in another
language or gibberish. I tried both in outlook and thunderbird and the
same thing. Could it be the encoding? I'm not sure what to make of

it.

Rosemarie
On 5/31/2017 2:33 PM, Peter Beasley wrote:
A friend of mine uses Office 2003 and said that it doesn’t work with
the latest version of NVDA, so he has gone back to the previous version.

*From:* Daniel Gartmann <mailto:lists@danielgartmann.dk>
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 31, 2017 6:09 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] Office 2003 with NVDA 2017.2




Hi,



Anybody out there using NVDA with Office 2003?



I have a report from one of our users saying that Outlook 2003 freezes
when opening a message. Sorry but at the moment no time available for
gathering logs.



Our solution for now is to reinstall 2017.1 and switch off automatic
updates.



Thanks in advance for your feedback.



Daniel





Re: New nvda sounds

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Me too, laggy and , well weird!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Arlene" <nedster66@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 3:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Oh golly! Did you have to curse? I hated system access! My computer gagged
and spat it out as though it ate a food it did not like! I was glad to have
rid of it! It would not let me instal the free version when I wanted to try
the free trial. I tried this before a friend gave me his key. Even with my
friend's key it would not instal properly. My computer gagged and spat it
out!



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Michael
Capelle
Sent: May-31-17 4:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.



From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



I thought system access died?



On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:

There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal
notification by default.



System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed
somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow
browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you
can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time
but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I
couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.



Gene

----- Original Message -----

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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.








Re: New nvda sounds

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I think its down to permissions of access for the account in use at the time so might be more complicated than you imagine it is.
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Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 2:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


I absolutely agree. Most portable programs do create their own folder. NVDA does not. I installed a portable version at one time in a main folder assuming NVDA would create its own. Big mistake. I had to go in manually and figure out which files and folders belonged to NVDA, and which ones were there already. Learned an unnecessary, in my opinion, lesson.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Run the installer. Tab through the dialog and you will see that you mustg accept the license agreement. The next dialog gives you choices such as install, make portable version and continue running. Create a portable version. Don't designate a folder with any other files in it. The portable creator doesn't place the files in a folder of its own. It will place the files directly in a folder you specify. I had thought about commenting on this in the past but I didn't. But NVDA should, in my opinion, create a folder when creating a portable version. I had believed it would and so I designated a folder at one time and had the NVDA files placed in a folder with lots of other files. Just as zip programs create a folder when unzipping, so, I think, should NVDA.

Gene
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From: Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


I am not sure how to install it as a portable could someone email me the
sounds

Dennisl1982@gmail.com
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 2:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Dennis, download the NVDA decelopment snapshot, install it to something like
a portable installation location, and then go copy the sound clips from the
./waves folder into your current installation's ./waves folder.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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On 2017-05-31 19:01, Dennis L wrote:
How can we get these new sounds now is there a way?

-----Original Message-----
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Jacob Kruger
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 9:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

Brian, I was feeling the same way - I actually prefer the old, 'classic'
sounds myself.


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On 2017-05-31 13:19, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I notice in the next branch of snaps, we are being given new start
and end sounds and new edit and browse mode sounds. I have issues
with some of these myself, but wanted to flag these up here for a a
wider audience to try and perhaps feed back on on the devel list.
My main issue is the quietness of the edit mode and the similarity of
the start and stop ones for nvda.


However others may beg to differ and love them, I don't know either
way might be nice to have a choice rather than to just get the new ones.
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Re: New nvda sounds

 

Well to be honest I do like the piano sound we have now.

However it would be good if nvda could have start and end sfx like schemes in windows and we would have several ones.

For those that are deff it may be hard to hear small sounds.

I can hear the start of nvda a long way away.

And when I am round the house or office I know my system is on the way to being on.

On 1/06/2017 8:44 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I'm not sure about the start and end sounds. Too short to detect rising and lowering pitch in. My versions are a bit longer.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@samobile.net>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Chris Mullins I just followed your instructions and I like it so much better.
Thanks.





Re: New nvda sounds

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No its on a page just like any other download.


https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

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Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


what is the process for downloading a version from this branch? Please tell me it doesn't involve Github!

Noah Carver

On May 31, 2017, at 19:36, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
It’s not in stable, not in beta either. It’s under active testing in an alpha-level branch.
Cheers,
Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

which beta branch contains the new sounds? I personally think a new sound change might be good. I always hated the default sounds, so much so that I created my own. Yes, I hate the default ones that much!

Noah Carver

On May 31, 2017, at 19:13, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:

hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.

From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

I thought system access died?


On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:
There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal notification by default.

System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.




Re: Laptops and sound issues

 

Well if you turn off all effects or remove everything down to standard even if you have to reformat to do it and loose some function you will eventually get the full sound of the speaker.

At home when I know I will not be angering anyone I use a pair of logitech z100 speakers they are old but they work.

I use a pair of senheiser hd204s, lately someone gave me a pair of unknown brand studeo style industrial grade headsets.

Ofcause away from home they are to bulky to handle.

When I need something I have a pair of cheap crappy headphones which are totally crap and stupid.

They are tinny and really suck.

However when away from home I need them just for speech output.

I have not used it much but for christmas last year I had some family come back from china and all of us got kingone 5kxx 5000 speakers which are bluetooth and the top speaker in china at the time.

Touch rewind and fast forward only run on windows media player but they have an aux port and a smart card and can be used with smartphones the sound is rather good for a unit of that type.

I also have an old 1930s amp and speakers all of which are no longer made or sold but which were my dads first set and which he gave to me.

I use that for my tv mostly but thats about it.

I havn't needed to run things while away.

Anyway with all effects off and other such things as long as your environment is quiet to mid noise level having the units at 50% is fine.

My only issue is when I have to share a lorn mower or bacuum in close proximity.

I also have a pair of andriea phones which I do use on and off as portable devices and also several sound cards usb mainly.

I also have if I really get stuck a crappy old usb 1x plantronix headset.

This one actually is really not nice to wear and its really crappy but I use it for sound troublechooting and driver upgrades.

I wouldn't use your laptop for serious work.

On 1/06/2017 7:59 p.m., Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I'd agree but to my ears, no matter how hyped up they get about sound on laptops they all sound tinny and rattle the keys if played loud.
I think the suck it and see approach is going to be the only way out. Its not unknown for some desktops to suffer from these issues as well. sometimes one can select a speaker config that will turn all the fancy rubbish off, but finding it and finding if its accessible are other challenges.
I tend to use a little sound box plugged into usb myself on all machines as often the internal sound output is noisy with interference generated inside the computer so if you want good sound, say through a hi fi you are not going to get it without an external card and often a powered hub to get rid of 5v line noise on the usb as well... sigh.


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----- Original Message ----- From: "Nikos Demetriou via Groups.Io" <nikosdemetriou=googlemail.com@groups.io>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 1:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues


Ok dell was my last hope.
It was the only make I didn't try yet and I was hoping that they left the
sound drivers alone.

The problem is that we won't know these types of problems unless if we try
nvda on them before we buy because on laptop specks sound gets very little
mention or even not at all.
We know about the processor, the hard drive, the ram, connectivity but not
the sound.
Nikos

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I've noticed this with A friends Dell, it clips off the end of things as
if some kind of time limit or noise gate is in use.. I could only solve it
with an external usb device as the driver seemed to do this on many voices
and indeed even on some effects inside programs. I cannot see why they do
this as I'd have thought that sound was important. How do they play audio
if it cuts out all the time?

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 12:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] Laptops and sound issues



Hi all.
Sorry if this issue has been discussed before.
I don't know what is going on with laptop sound cards these days, but nvda
doesn't seam to work well with some of them.

I tried nvda on toshiba laptops, hp laptops and lenovo laptops and I
didn't
like the way nvda responds and sounds like.
I have got the impression that this problem started under windows vista or
7 and above.
I didn't find similar situations under windows xp.
I was using espeak in all situations.
I don't want to imagine how it would sound like with vocalizer or some
other hi-q sapi5 voices which are heavier in resorces.
I found the following issues.
Sometimes nvda responds with some delay after we press a button on the
keyboard.
The sound card cuts sometimes the beginning and the end of a word or
sentence.
The sound card doesn't seam to cope well when doing things quickly such as
typing, or when pressing arrow keys rubbitly.

Sometimes the issue can be fixed if we disable all the enhancements under
playback settings but this option is not available in some laptops.

I am not very familiar with the issues system yet.
I searched but I didn't find something on laptops, sound cards, espeak
etc.
If there isn't a similar issue perhaps I can create a new one.

Yesterday I encountered a very unusual situation where nvda was working
well on a lenovo laptop, but it became very slow in responding after
updating to the latest creators update of windows 10.

Narator on this particular laptop was responding well with the windows 10
voices.
I don't know if it would be possible to have different bitrates to choose
for espeak in cases where nvda is not very responsive in some sound cards.

So what are your experiences with laptops these days and how did you fix
any sound issues?
I don't know the exact models right now because the laptops belong to
friends but if necessary I can find out.
Thanks
Nikos





.


Re: New nvda sounds

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Yes in Next as was said before. I have them here which means they are in next.

See my last message for some suggested modifications for those with a hearing loss.
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Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


Hi,

It’s not in stable, not in beta either. It’s under active testing in an alpha-level branch.

Cheers,

Joseph



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Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



which beta branch contains the new sounds? I personally think a new sound change might be good. I always hated the default sounds, so much so that I created my own. Yes, I hate the default ones that much!

Noah Carver


On May 31, 2017, at 19:13, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net <mailto:mcapelle@charter.net> > wrote:

hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.



From: The Wolf <mailto:hank.smith966@gmail.com>

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



I thought system access died?



On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:

There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal notification by default.



System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.



Gene

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From: Chris Shook <mailto:chris0309@samobile.net>

Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds



A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.


Re: New nvda sounds

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Chuckle..
Try the 'NEXT; branch.
Or for alternatives based on them...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/hkkz61mwjxjsqbk/waves.zip?dl=1

Good luck.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2017 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds


which beta branch contains the new sounds? I personally think a new sound change might be good. I always hated the default sounds, so much so that I created my own. Yes, I hate the default ones that much!

Noah Carver

On May 31, 2017, at 19:13, Michael Capelle <mcapelle@charter.net> wrote:

hell no, satogo and system access are still running strong.

From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 5:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

I thought system access died?


On 5/31/2017 3:28 PM, Gene wrote:
There already is a choice for verbal notification. It should be verbal notification by default.

System Access doesn't have a forms and browse mode because it is designed somehow to allow the page to be changed such as in edit fields and to allow browsing at the same time. However, this imposes limitations on what you can do. I haven't used System Access to Go hardly at all for a long time but I recall coming across occasions where I wanted to do something I couldn't do because I couldn't switch between browse and forms mode.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2017 4:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] New nvda sounds

A verbal prompt that brouse mode was on would be good. So long as
there is some sort of indication that brouse mode is on, I don't see a
problem with getting rid of sounds.
System Access doesn't have a brouse mode at all. You simply go to the
website go to the edit field you want and type. It used to allow you to
type in any edit field. It doesn't work with Google anymore.
Regardless, it's an idea for the NVDA developers.