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Re: soft-voice and objPad comments

 

can you do a tutorial on

how to use objPad?

On 5/30/2017 7:20 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:
Upon using objPad for a bit I can say that it is excellent at what it does! I wanted a jaws-like-cursor for NVDA? I got one and in fact its so awesome because it takes the old jaws cursor along with the jaws touch cursor and rolls them into one yet its even easier to use! I really really like objPad and will be telling everyone about it. And I may have found another free synthesizer addon for NVDA for all of us to use. For personal use only, not commercial use... It is called soft-voice and it sounds similar to eloquence but better than eSpeak. I have one or two more things to check out with the soft-voice tts makers but once I do and everything is go then I'll let all of you know the final verdict on soft-voice tts. I can tell you that it sounds a bit like eloquence but it only supports english and spanish languages. and that it has a bunch of interesting novelty voices along with the normal voices and its very small and fast and responsive. I will not post it here though until I'm certain its fine with the authors.




Re: soft-voice and objPad comments

Gene
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] soft-voice and objPad comments

Where do you get the object pad add on?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] soft-voice and objPad comments

 

I haven't used ObjPad but I don't think your description is accurate.  The documentation appears to indicate that it allows moving through objects without respect to their position in the tree, if that is a proper way to put it, in other words, without respect to whether they are parent or child.  You evidently don't have to move into a child object to move through it.  But that is not the same as screen review and there are times when you see something in screen review you don't in object navigation.  the opposite is also true depending on how a program is designed. 

 

It is important not to provide misleading information when describing something. 

 

You may be enthusiastic about the add on because you don't like using object navigation as it is implemented in NVDA itself.  But my preference is to see how things are organized.  You are making it sound as though the add on somehow does more than object navigation in NVDA.  It appears to me that that isn't true.  It just does it differently. 

 

Others will, I hope, indicate whether my understanding is correct. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Josh Kennedy

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:20 AM

Subject: [nvda] soft-voice and objPad comments

 

Upon using objPad for a bit I can say that it is excellent at what it
does! I wanted a jaws-like-cursor for NVDA? I got one and in fact its so
awesome because it takes the old jaws cursor along with the jaws touch
cursor and rolls them into one yet its even easier to use! I really
really like objPad and will be telling everyone about it. And I may have
found another free synthesizer addon for NVDA for all of us to use. For
personal use only, not commercial use... It is called soft-voice and it
sounds similar to eloquence but better than eSpeak. I have one or two
more things to check out with the soft-voice tts makers but once I do
and everything is go then I'll let all of you know the final verdict on
soft-voice tts. I can tell you that it sounds a bit like eloquence but
it only supports english and spanish languages. and that it has a bunch
of interesting novelty voices along with the normal voices and its very
small and fast and responsive. I will not post it here though until I'm
certain its fine with the authors.




Re: soft-voice and objPad comments

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Where do you get the object pad add on?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 11:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] soft-voice and objPad comments

 

I haven't used ObjPad but I don't think your description is accurate.  The documentation appears to indicate that it allows moving through objects without respect to their position in the tree, if that is a proper way to put it, in other words, without respect to whether they are parent or child.  You evidently don't have to move into a child object to move through it.  But that is not the same as screen review and there are times when you see something in screen review you don't in object navigation.  the opposite is also true depending on how a program is designed. 

 

It is important not to provide misleading information when describing something. 

 

You may be enthusiastic about the add on because you don't like using object navigation as it is implemented in NVDA itself.  But my preference is to see how things are organized.  You are making it sound as though the add on somehow does more than object navigation in NVDA.  It appears to me that that isn't true.  It just does it differently. 

 

Others will, I hope, indicate whether my understanding is correct. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:20 AM

Subject: [nvda] soft-voice and objPad comments

 

Upon using objPad for a bit I can say that it is excellent at what it
does! I wanted a jaws-like-cursor for NVDA? I got one and in fact its so
awesome because it takes the old jaws cursor along with the jaws touch
cursor and rolls them into one yet its even easier to use! I really
really like objPad and will be telling everyone about it. And I may have
found another free synthesizer addon for NVDA for all of us to use. For
personal use only, not commercial use... It is called soft-voice and it
sounds similar to eloquence but better than eSpeak. I have one or two
more things to check out with the soft-voice tts makers but once I do
and everything is go then I'll let all of you know the final verdict on
soft-voice tts. I can tell you that it sounds a bit like eloquence but
it only supports english and spanish languages. and that it has a bunch
of interesting novelty voices along with the normal voices and its very
small and fast and responsive. I will not post it here though until I'm
certain its fine with the authors.




Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

Danny D. Mendoza <run210nis@...>
 

Good morning!
Running the latest update and using Quicken. Installed for the very 1st time and all things were just awesome. Menus and Sub Menus were narrated. After a couple of days. It is no longer narrating the Sub Menus. Which is needed using Quicken. Quicken is only use and really need the Sub Menus to be able to hear to what or where I am.  Does anyone has this problem. If so, how did you solved this important part of using Quicken.
 
Thank you,
Danny
 

From: Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update
 

Check for automatic updates is indeed checked.

 

So, hopefully, I’m now set.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,

Do what the others members of the list suggest.

For next update, if you want NVDA to update automatically, go to preferences, general, and check the checkox for automatically cheking updates.

Good luck!

Sylvie

Le 30/05/2017 à 16:27, Tom Behler a écrit :

Sylvi:

 

I just checked, and I still have version 2017.1.

 

I’m not sure why my NVDA has not automatically updated to 2017.2, but I can certainly use 2017.1 for now.

 

If anyone knows how I can get NVDA to automatically update, or why it is not updating on its own, I’d appreciate that information.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,
Yesterday I used a computer with the 2017.1 version of NVDA and it offered me to update to the 2017.2 that was just released.
So if you don't have the latest version, it should propose you to update.
To check which version of NVDA you have,
open the NVDA menu with nvda+n,
choose help (with the up arrow keys) or type h
choose about with up arrow or type a.
You will hear the content of the displayed dialog alert in typing nvda+b.
This should be nvda 2017.2
I hope this helps!
Best
Sylvie
Le 30/05/2017 à 16:09, Tom Behler a écrit :

Hello, everyone.

 

I’m very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list a week or so ago.

 

I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I’m not sure how to know what version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.

 

Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?

 

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 


Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

Tom Behler <tombehler@...>
 

Check for automatic updates is indeed checked.

 

So, hopefully, I’m now set.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,

Do what the others members of the list suggest.

For next update, if you want NVDA to update automatically, go to preferences, general, and check the checkox for automatically cheking updates.

Good luck!

Sylvie

Le 30/05/2017 à 16:27, Tom Behler a écrit :

Sylvi:

 

I just checked, and I still have version 2017.1.

 

I’m not sure why my NVDA has not automatically updated to 2017.2, but I can certainly use 2017.1 for now.

 

If anyone knows how I can get NVDA to automatically update, or why it is not updating on its own, I’d appreciate that information.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,
Yesterday I used a computer with the 2017.1 version of NVDA and it offered me to update to the 2017.2 that was just released.
So if you don't have the latest version, it should propose you to update.
To check which version of NVDA you have,
open the NVDA menu with nvda+n,
choose help (with the up arrow keys) or type h
choose about with up arrow or type a.
You will hear the content of the displayed dialog alert in typing nvda+b.
This should be nvda 2017.2
I hope this helps!
Best
Sylvie
Le 30/05/2017 à 16:09, Tom Behler a écrit :

Hello, everyone.

 

I’m very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list a week or so ago.

 

I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I’m not sure how to know what version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.

 

Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?

 

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 


Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hi professor,

One can configure NVDA to check for updates automatically by going to NVDA menu/Preferences/General Settings. If this is checked, NVDA will check for updates every day and will notify you if an update is available.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

So, are you saying this has to be done manually, and that the updates don’t occur automatically without you actually checking?

 

Just trying to clarify.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ethan
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,

 

If you press NVDA+N, followed by H, followed bye C, NVDA will automatically check if there is a new update available.

 

Let me know if I can help more,

Ethan


Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

Hello, everyone.

 

I’m very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list a week or so ago.

 

I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I’m not sure how to know what version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.

 

Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?

 

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Thank you!!!!
Sally 

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

Expect a huge announcement today regarding a transition guide.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

 

Hello all

 

Thank you for compiling these and especially for highlighting the transition from another screen reader tutorials. 

 

As one of those longtime window-eyes users having to switch, I definitely have more than jitters and appreciate the inclusion of window-eyes references in some of these tutorials. 

 

Are there any other window-eyes related posts or threads I should know about?

 

Thank you again for this!

Sally 

 

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@....nz> wrote:

Hi guys

It is Gene NZ (who is putting together the AccessibilityCentral.net
website). It is a blindness related website where I also post both
written and audio tutorials for the NVDA screen reader, along with other
blindness related material.

These are fairly easy to follow, (that is they are step by step
instructions) and for a desktop computer.
They are basically, to get a new user of NVDA up and running.

At present, any that are written are identified under a heading on the
main AccessibilityCentral.net homepage of the website. The heading is
called pages recently updated, and they are listed below this heading or
put onto my AccessibilityCentral.net Facebook page.

Recently updated:  How to show or hide columns in your Mozilla
Thunderbird email header (changes made)
http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html


New: Added new page called Migrating to NVDA from another screen reader
for both a desktop and laptop user (new link added to all NVDA related
pages
http://accessibilitycentral.net/Migrating%20from%20other%20screen%20readers%20to%20the%20NVDA%20screen%20reader.html).


I will add more tutorials to this thread as they are written up.

Gene NZ

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations or location is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


 



Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

Tom Behler <tombehler@...>
 

So, are you saying this has to be done manually, and that the updates don’t occur automatically without you actually checking?

 

Just trying to clarify.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ethan
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,

 

If you press NVDA+N, followed by H, followed bye C, NVDA will automatically check if there is a new update available.

 

Let me know if I can help more,

Ethan


Sent from my iPhone


On May 30, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

Hello, everyone.

 

I’m very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list a week or so ago.

 

I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I’m not sure how to know what version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.

 

Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?

 

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

 

Hi,

Expect a huge announcement today regarding a transition guide.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sally Kiebdaj
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

 

Hello all

 

Thank you for compiling these and especially for highlighting the transition from another screen reader tutorials. 

 

As one of those longtime window-eyes users having to switch, I definitely have more than jitters and appreciate the inclusion of window-eyes references in some of these tutorials. 

 

Are there any other window-eyes related posts or threads I should know about?

 

Thank you again for this!

Sally 

 

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:

Hi guys

It is Gene NZ (who is putting together the AccessibilityCentral.net
website). It is a blindness related website where I also post both
written and audio tutorials for the NVDA screen reader, along with other
blindness related material.

These are fairly easy to follow, (that is they are step by step
instructions) and for a desktop computer.
They are basically, to get a new user of NVDA up and running.

At present, any that are written are identified under a heading on the
main AccessibilityCentral.net homepage of the website. The heading is
called pages recently updated, and they are listed below this heading or
put onto my AccessibilityCentral.net Facebook page.

Recently updated:  How to show or hide columns in your Mozilla
Thunderbird email header (changes made)
http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html


New: Added new page called Migrating to NVDA from another screen reader
for both a desktop and laptop user (new link added to all NVDA related
pages
http://accessibilitycentral.net/Migrating%20from%20other%20screen%20readers%20to%20the%20NVDA%20screen%20reader.html).


I will add more tutorials to this thread as they are written up.

Gene NZ

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations or location is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -


 


Re: NVDA tutorials posted to Accessibilitycentral.net

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello all

Thank you for compiling these and especially for highlighting the transition from another screen reader tutorials. 

As one of those longtime window-eyes users having to switch, I definitely have more than jitters and appreciate the inclusion of window-eyes references in some of these tutorials. 

Are there any other window-eyes related posts or threads I should know about?

Thank you again for this!
Sally 

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 6:34 AM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi guys

It is Gene NZ (who is putting together the AccessibilityCentral.net
website). It is a blindness related website where I also post both
written and audio tutorials for the NVDA screen reader, along with other
blindness related material.

These are fairly easy to follow, (that is they are step by step
instructions) and for a desktop computer.
They are basically, to get a new user of NVDA up and running.

At present, any that are written are identified under a heading on the
main AccessibilityCentral.net homepage of the website. The heading is
called pages recently updated, and they are listed below this heading or
put onto my AccessibilityCentral.net Facebook page.

Recently updated:  How to show or hide columns in your Mozilla
Thunderbird email header (changes made)
http://accessibilitycentral.net/accessible%20email%20client%20mozilla%20thunderbird.html


New: Added new page called Migrating to NVDA from another screen reader
for both a desktop and laptop user (new link added to all NVDA related
pages
http://accessibilitycentral.net/Migrating%20from%20other%20screen%20readers%20to%20the%20NVDA%20screen%20reader.html).


I will add more tutorials to this thread as they are written up.

Gene NZ

--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you
are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a
copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out
which locations or location is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries |
Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -





Re: copy and paste

Sally Kiebdaj
 

Hello Don,

I've been using Window-eyes for over 15 years and am not looking forward to greater JAWS dominion. Nice to see another GWMicro-er here.  

Thank you to those who have offered support and sympathy on this thread! 

It is reassuring   to know that hotkeys can be rewritten in NVDA as that was definitely one of my favorite features in window-eyes. 

Cheers,
Saly 

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 3:05 AM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:
Yes I think its really important there are more than one option, as we all learn differently. I do have an uphil struggle with people who are using Guide for a while but outgrow it. Yes it was simple but it had nothing in common with windows which makes attempting to teach anyone how to use a real screenreader doubly hard in my view. I used to use
Dolphin Supernova, which works well, but to me it was a bit slow compared to nvda at times, plus of course you have to pay for updates and are stuck with the cost, albeit not such a rip of price as Jaws has been.
What I do now with nvda is give a largish donation each new version but I did a small interim one this time as the  better way that select all and some other things got fixed and worked this time in snapshots.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Arlene" <nedster66@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] copy and paste


Wow! when my room mate and I thought we were forced off the JFW beta testing team. My room mate went and downloaded a demo of windoweyes.  We lasted with it for only 2 hours!  Then we ran back home to JFW!  My room mate asked a friend who had a free version of windoweyes and he told us to uninstall it at the control panel.  We could have got used to it. But we had no support using it.  We tested Jaws 5.0   We were going to leave the team anyway! I was on the verge of getting a new computer of my own. that was when I got my first xp box!  I felt I wanted it because I was not learning how to use the computer properly.  I have a slight learning disability and I have to learn things hands on!  I wished I had tried using windoweyes.  Someone said it looks a lot like windows.  NVDA was easy as well. With my own computer. I can learn at my own pace.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: May-29-17 7:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] copy and paste

I am one of those Window Eyes long time users that is now being forced to learn a new screen reader.  I knew this was coming so downloaded and started learning how to use NVDA several weeks ago.  I did take the offer for a free copy of Jaws and am also trying to learn it as well.
I compare ease of use between NVDA and Jaws and in many cases find NVDA easier to use.
One function I find better with NVDA is the ability and accuracy of selecting text in a Word document or Web page with the NVDA key F9 and Nvda key F10.
One area where I think Window eyes had advantages over NVDA and Jaws was the ability to label keys and change hot keys to your likeing.











Re: soft-voice and objPad comments

Gene
 

I haven't used ObjPad but I don't think your description is accurate.  The documentation appears to indicate that it allows moving through objects without respect to their position in the tree, if that is a proper way to put it, in other words, without respect to whether they are parent or child.  You evidently don't have to move into a child object to move through it.  But that is not the same as screen review and there are times when you see something in screen review you don't in object navigation.  the opposite is also true depending on how a program is designed. 
 
It is important not to provide misleading information when describing something. 
 
You may be enthusiastic about the add on because you don't like using object navigation as it is implemented in NVDA itself.  But my preference is to see how things are organized.  You are making it sound as though the add on somehow does more than object navigation in NVDA.  It appears to me that that isn't true.  It just does it differently. 
 
Others will, I hope, indicate whether my understanding is correct. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 9:20 AM
Subject: [nvda] soft-voice and objPad comments

Upon using objPad for a bit I can say that it is excellent at what it
does! I wanted a jaws-like-cursor for NVDA? I got one and in fact its so
awesome because it takes the old jaws cursor along with the jaws touch
cursor and rolls them into one yet its even easier to use! I really
really like objPad and will be telling everyone about it. And I may have
found another free synthesizer addon for NVDA for all of us to use. For
personal use only, not commercial use... It is called soft-voice and it
sounds similar to eloquence but better than eSpeak. I have one or two
more things to check out with the soft-voice tts makers but once I do
and everything is go then I'll let all of you know the final verdict on
soft-voice tts. I can tell you that it sounds a bit like eloquence but
it only supports english and spanish languages. and that it has a bunch
of interesting novelty voices along with the normal voices and its very
small and fast and responsive. I will not post it here though until I'm
certain its fine with the authors.





braille display with NVDA and open book 9.0

mkanary@...
 

 

Hello,

 

I am trying to use a pearl scanner to scan documents into openbook 9.0. I am wondering if there is a way to get NVDA to output what openbook is reading to my braille display. I have been able to get this working with JAWS but I would rather use NVDA.

 

Thank you,

 

Michael Kanary

 


NVDA with Edge browser

Don H
 

I am finding that the latest version of NVDA works pretty well with the Edge browser. Guess my question now is what advantages does the Edge browser have over any other browser? Maybe a tutorial for Edge is out there somewhere that would answer such questions. I would like to get away from using the IE browser as it crashes more than Firefox or ?Google Chrome.
I really appreciate all the people who work on the development of NVDA.
Thanks


Re: fear mongering? Re: [nvda] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Gene
 

(I hope enough people see my message that they don't change subject lines unnecessarily.  A lot of people never change them but some people on lists I'm on change them too often.
 
Gene

------ Original Message -----
From: Kwork
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: fear mongering? Re: [nvda] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Gene, it was erik burggraaf who changed the subject line and originally added the "fear mongering?" before the "Re" in the subject line.
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: fear mongering? Re: [nvda] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Such events cause rumor and speculation to spread throughout the blind computer using community.  You may not be susceptible to such rumors but a lot of people give serious attention to such rumors and speculation. 
 
I am now speaking as a moderator.  My previous comments were as a member, not a moderator.
I haven't followed the subject line carefully for this thread.  Did you change it and add the phrase fear mongering?  If you want to characterize it, please don't change the subject line to do so.  Characterize it in the message body.  Subject lines should not be changed unless a subject departs from the original to the extent that it has no meaningful relation to the original subject.  This is still a discussion of the original subject.  If you change subject lines, it creates a new branch in the archives.  It also causes all those who read mail by conversation to see an entirely new conversation where none exists. 
 
Now speaking as a member again, fear mongering is not an accurate characterization of the message. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Dennis L
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 2:03 AM
Subject: Re: fear mongering? Re: [nvda] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

My point is that is was so unlikely to happen people shouldn’t be worried about it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 3:02 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: fear mongering? Re: [nvda] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

 

If you had been worried about the future of NVDA, you might not have considered it pointless.  I thought the talk of VFO possibly aquiring NVDA was so unlikely it wasn't worth worrying about but others were seriously maintaining that it might happen. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Dennis L

Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 1:44 AM

Subject: Re: fear mongering? Re: [nvda] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

 

The blog post was pointless in my opinion.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 1:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: fear mongering? Re: [nvda] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?

Hi Eric,
No, I have no role at NV Access in that sense, but consider myself simply an educated NVDA user. I have striven to not be subjective or opininiated in the blog post, and any views I may have personally expressed are also backed with facts. All in all, I have nowhere stated in my piece anything but publicly verifiable facts. The 'VFO Acquires NV Access' situation was one that I thought needed explication after I read a related debate on another online forum where people actually believed that NVDA was purchasable.
No worries if you missed attending NVDACon International 2017 live.
All sessions have been recorded, and some have already been archived while a few others are being actively edited for public availability.
Check https://www.nvdacon.org/past-conferences for the same.
Competition always spurs bilateral, trilateral and multilateral innovation, and innovation is all that matters to the end-user.
Consumers are always better off with choices and alternatives to pick from. Therefore, a monopoly is almost always something worth avoiding.
Thanks.
P.S. In case anyone has missed the original article being discussed, its URL is https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-access/

On 5/30/17, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
> Well I don't want nvda to be jawasified to be honest.
>
> Unless ofcause it meant that jaws for home users was free and fs were
> not so stupid about licences, ie pro for running on oses with pro in
> them and no extra features.
>
> On the other hand, if microsoft simply intigrated narator and nvda
> together and we could continue having nvda as a major part of windows
> and could continue to update it and continue the opensource model like
> chrome and chromium, etc does then I'd nave no issue with it..
>
> While narator has a lot of issues meaning its still quite bad in some
> situations there is no doubt about it, it does have a few more tricks
> being intergrated into windows like that and we don't it would be a
> huge boost.
>
> It does seem the next reader to probably go is the dolphin one since
> its only supporting ie and a few other things.
>
> My issue is having everyone jawsified.
>
> Jaws hasn't inovated to much either, true its the biggest but things
> can't stay stale like this.
>
> What I like about nvda is even when its core doesn't move, there are
> more modules for it.
>
> And the users also can develop for it so if there is a problem or a
> need you ask and at some point soon someone will do it.
>
>
>
>
> On 30/05/2017 6:11 a.m., erik burggraaf wrote:
>> Just to follow up, I read the blog post, and it's not fearmongering.
>> I wish I had been available for nvda con.  I had surgery at the time
>> and missed the festivities.
>>
>> Based on the transcript provided in the blog post, my dream of NVDA
>> becoming a core windows component is just that and can never happen.
>>
>> I still don't understand, and the article fails to explain, why
>> screen reader monopolies are bad.  Apple has two very successful ones.
>> Android doesn't preclude any one from developing a screen reader, but
>> google's product is good enough now that it's put numerous screen
>> access and accessibility suite tools out of business, and the biggest
>> losers there unfortunately are the early adopters who largely paid
>> and now have no viable product.
>>
>> How would we feel if NVDA became the recognized gold standard and a
>> combination of NVDA and built in tools for windows forced VFO out of
>> the AT software market?  I suspect most of us would feel better about
>> a market controlled by NVAccess than we would about one controlled by
>> VFO, but if we don't want an AT monopoly, who will compete with NVDA
>> when governments stop funding AT for good? Will we still love the
>> more established NVDA when the next upstart comes along, or will the
>> new thing fade into obscurity leaving NVDA with what amounts to an
>> unchallenged monopoly?
>>
>> I haven't really observed negative effects of screen reader
>> monopolies on other platforms, and personally I'd welcome a monopoly
>> driven by NVDA in the windows space.  I don't really see that
>> happening either, but NVDA continues to meet the needs of consumers
>> and it's easy to see the passion users and contributers have for it.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Erik
>>
>>
>> On May 29, 2017 1:41:55 PM "erik burggraaf" <erik@...>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pardon folks,
>>>
>>> Could it be that I have an overdeveloped sense of delete button?
>>> Have I missed important announcements from nvda developers, blog
>>> posts, or interviews intimating that ownership changes are in the
>>> offing at NV Access?  Have I missed similar from any company
>>> intimating they wish to buy up interest in NV Access?  Have there
>>> been development changes in the nvda sycle that suggest new
>>> directions in control of the product? Please direct me to those if
>>> they exist.
>>>
>>> I haven't read Bavia.  Does he have a roll in development of NVDA or
>>> directing interest there-in?  I suspect not.  Well, Chris Hofsteader
>>> has some things on the ball and others not.  Despite what he has to
>>> say about VFO's adjenda he clearly has one of his own and despite
>>> his experience in the industry, his facts aren't always right.  I
>>> ask you where Bavia is coming from and whether his experience
>>> suggests he may have knowledge or perspective beyond that of an end
>>> user?
>>>
>>> Why are we talking about an acquisition of NVDA as if it's a thing
>>> that could happen?  No evidence have I observed to justify any such.
>>>
>>> I was a proud window-eyes user for 10 years, and signs of it's
>>> impending discontinuance had been available for any to see for years
>>> before the acquisitions.  Development slowed, then stopped.  Spin
>>> off software from new developers emerged to keep the company
>>> generating reviniew. Old hands left not to be replaced.  Dan and
>>> Doug are retired, presumably happily, and never was there ever a
>>> thought in the hofsteader post that insiders at gw micro were ready
>>> to move on at the time of the acquisitions.  As far as I know,
>>> nothing like this is looming on the horizon of NV access.
>>> Correct me
>>> if I'm wrong.
>>>
>>> Personally, I think that the end of windows as we know it will have
>>> a much bigger impact on NVDA than the VFO group.  Those people will
>>> milk access for all they can get while the gettin is still somewhat
>>> good, but does any one here believe the money in the AT market now
>>> is on par with what it was
>>> 5 and 10 years ago?  In November of 2016, dollar volume of mobile
>>> device sales globally exceeded dollar volume of personal computer
>>> sales for the first time, while PC sales themselves have been
>>> steadily droping since 2011 and have not been bouncing back.  Both
>>> major opperating systems in the pc space have gone from completely
>>> paid to free or alternatively priced in an attempt to revive
>>> interest in the personal computer, but corporations and consumers
>>> are slowly pulling the bandaids off of their eyes.
>>> Accessibility
>>> features of mobile devices are equal to or better than those built
>>> into personal computers.  Mobile devices can be had cheaper outright
>>> than pc's, and better communication regulations are forcing carriers
>>> to share back more of their prophets with users in the form of more
>>> user friendly contracts, and more service delivery for less money.
>>> Canada isn't really onboard unfortunately, but the rest of the
>>> western world seems to be doing more to provide value for money over
>>> all.  The two biggest mobile players, IOS and android, have
>>> professional quality accessibility suites built in and those tools
>>> are getting better.
>>>
>>> To me, it makes more sense for microsoft to buy NVDA and make it a
>>> core operating system feature in place of narrator than for VFO to
>>> acquire it just to put it out of business.  At least MS with full
>>> control over development and system intergration would have the
>>> ability to make money from the product, even if the income stream
>>> were nowhere near enough to pay for development.
>>>
>>> The real questions are, what will the next itteration of windows in
>>> a year or two look like? and, How much longer will I want a personal
>>> computer?
>>> Myself, I haven't owned a computer in nine months.  The only thing I
>>> missed about a pc was the ability to store large files, and I got a
>>> little box for
>>> $150 to hook up to a drive tower last month.  I need a bigger,
>>> better phone, but the only time I'm prevented from doing anything I
>>> want on my phone is when there's a badly designed website or
>>> inaccessible app.  The fact that I can litterally work anywhere, and
>>> have access to modern computing will mean that I will never want a
>>> computer for day to day use again, and you'll be there yourself in
>>> the next 1-3 years.  How windows and NVDA fit in modern computing
>>> remains to be seen as far as I'm concerned. I don't see it
>>> disappearing over night, but I don't see it lasting forever either.
>>> Yes, I still have an old dos machine, and yes, I do regret not
>>> taking the old apple IIe I was offered back in 2005, but that
>>> doesn't mean I use information the way I did in the 80's and 90's.
>>>
>>> I'm a proud NVDA contributer and I plan to use nothing else on any
>>> windows systems I may need in future, but I don't think NVDA will
>>> last forever, nor do I think it necessarily should last forever, nor
>>> do I believe the people working on NVDA will pull the rug out from
>>> under us with no warning, nor do I believe speculation without
>>> information contributes meaningfully to the community.  Fire away if
>>> you think I'm wrong, but seriously, there's no reason for panick or
>>> uncertainty that I can see.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Erik
>>>
>>>
>>> On May 29, 2017 12:44:36 PM "Rosemarie Chavarria"
>>> <knitqueen2007@...>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I don't think V F O will acquire NV access. We need to keep NVDA
>>>> open source as it is now because so many people can't afford to pay
>>>> for Jaws plus the upgrades. I hope and pray that NVDA will stay as it is now.
>>>>
>>>> Rosemarie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
>>>> Bhavya shah
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 28, 2017 9:03 PM
>>>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>>> Subject: [nvda] New Blog Post: Will VFO Acquire NV Access?
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> ‘Will VFO Acquire NVDA?’ has been a highly debated topic in the
>>>> blindness community in recent times. Find out the answer to this
>>>> inquiry with all the cogent reasoning, justification and arguments
>>>> you may desire as I explore all the possibilities and probabilities
>>>> in my new blog post.
>>>> ‘Now, let me restate the question of the hour in a simplified form
>>>> – will the VFO-Group, owners of the Freedom Scientific made JAWS
>>>> screen reader, after phasing out its subsidiary AI Squared’s Window
>>>> Eyes screen reader, venture out (caught the pun?) to buy out NV
>>>> Access and its free and open source NVDA screen reader, and thereby
>>>> establish an absolute monopoly as far as Windows screen readers
>>>> go?’
>>>> Post URL:
>>>> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/2017/05/28/will-vfo-acquire-nv-
>>>> access/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Blog Address: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to drop your comments, follow the blog or share the post.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Best Regards
>>>> Bhavya Shah
>>>>
>>>> Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
>>>> https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/
>>>>
>>>> Contacting Me
>>>> E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@... Follow me on Twitter
>>>> @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91
>>>> 7506221750
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@... Follow me on Twitter @BhavyaShah125 or www.twitter.com/BhavyaShah125 Mobile Number: +91 7506221750






Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello Tom,

Do what the others members of the list suggest.

For next update, if you want NVDA to update automatically, go to preferences, general, and check the checkox for automatically cheking updates.

Good luck!

Sylvie

Le 30/05/2017 à 16:27, Tom Behler a écrit :

Sylvi:

 

I just checked, and I still have version 2017.1.

 

I’m not sure why my NVDA has not automatically updated to 2017.2, but I can certainly use 2017.1 for now.

 

If anyone knows how I can get NVDA to automatically update, or why it is not updating on its own, I’d appreciate that information.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,
Yesterday I used a computer with the 2017.1 version of NVDA and it offered me to update to the 2017.2 that was just released.
So if you don't have the latest version, it should propose you to update.
To check which version of NVDA you have,
open the NVDA menu with nvda+n,
choose help (with the up arrow keys) or type h
choose about with up arrow or type a.
You will hear the content of the displayed dialog alert in typing nvda+b.
This should be nvda 2017.2
I hope this helps!
Best
Sylvie
Le 30/05/2017 à 16:09, Tom Behler a écrit :

Hello, everyone.

 

I’m very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list a week or so ago.

 

I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I’m not sure how to know what version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.

 

Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?

 

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 



Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

Tom Behler <tombehler@...>
 

I now have the update to version 2017.2.

 

Is there any way to get the updates automatically, or must they be gotten manually as they come out?

 

Thanks to all for the help.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Matt Turner
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:41 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

In the NVDA menu, hit h for help, then c for check for updates.

 

On 5/30/2017 10:27 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Sylvi:

 

I just checked, and I still have version 2017.1.

 

I’m not sure why my NVDA has not automatically updated to 2017.2, but I can certainly use 2017.1 for now.

 

If anyone knows how I can get NVDA to automatically update, or why it is not updating on its own, I’d appreciate that information.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,
Yesterday I used a computer with the 2017.1 version of NVDA and it offered me to update to the 2017.2 that was just released.
So if you don't have the latest version, it should propose you to update.
To check which version of NVDA you have,
open the NVDA menu with nvda+n,
choose help (with the up arrow keys) or type h
choose about with up arrow or type a.
You will hear the content of the displayed dialog alert in typing nvda+b.
This should be nvda 2017.2
I hope this helps!
Best
Sylvie
Le 30/05/2017 à 16:09, Tom Behler a écrit :


Hello, everyone.

 

I’m very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list a week or so ago.

 

I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I’m not sure how to know what version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.

 

Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?

 

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

 


Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

Ethan
 

Hello Tom,

If you press NVDA+N, followed by H, followed bye C, NVDA will automatically check if there is a new update available.

Let me know if I can help more,

Ethan

Sent from my iPhone

On May 30, 2017, at 10:09 AM, Tom Behler <tombehler@...> wrote:

Hello, everyone.

 

I’m very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list a week or so ago.

 

I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I’m not sure how to know what version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.

 

Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?

 

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 


Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

Matt Turner
 

In the NVDA menu, hit h for help, then c for check for updates.


On 5/30/2017 10:27 AM, Tom Behler wrote:

Sylvi:

 

I just checked, and I still have version 2017.1.

 

I’m not sure why my NVDA has not automatically updated to 2017.2, but I can certainly use 2017.1 for now.

 

If anyone knows how I can get NVDA to automatically update, or why it is not updating on its own, I’d appreciate that information.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,
Yesterday I used a computer with the 2017.1 version of NVDA and it offered me to update to the 2017.2 that was just released.
So if you don't have the latest version, it should propose you to update.
To check which version of NVDA you have,
open the NVDA menu with nvda+n,
choose help (with the up arrow keys) or type h
choose about with up arrow or type a.
You will hear the content of the displayed dialog alert in typing nvda+b.
This should be nvda 2017.2
I hope this helps!
Best
Sylvie
Le 30/05/2017 à 16:09, Tom Behler a écrit :

Hello, everyone.

 

I’m very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list a week or so ago.

 

I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I’m not sure how to know what version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.

 

Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?

 

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 



Re: How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,

Please do the following:

  1. Go to the NVDA menu, then find and activate the “check for update” option.

If it shows up, go ahead and install it.

 

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tom Behler
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Sylvi:

 

I just checked, and I still have version 2017.1.

 

I’m not sure why my NVDA has not automatically updated to 2017.2, but I can certainly use 2017.1 for now.

 

If anyone knows how I can get NVDA to automatically update, or why it is not updating on its own, I’d appreciate that information.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sylvie Duchateau
Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 10:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] How To Know If You Have The Latest NVDA Update

 

Hello Tom,
Yesterday I used a computer with the 2017.1 version of NVDA and it offered me to update to the 2017.2 that was just released.
So if you don't have the latest version, it should propose you to update.
To check which version of NVDA you have,
open the NVDA menu with nvda+n,
choose help (with the up arrow keys) or type h
choose about with up arrow or type a.
You will hear the content of the displayed dialog alert in typing nvda+b.
This should be nvda 2017.2
I hope this helps!
Best
Sylvie
Le 30/05/2017 à 16:09, Tom Behler a écrit :

Hello, everyone.

 

I’m very new to NVDA, having just installed the program and joined this list a week or so ago.

 

I understand there is a new NVDA update, but I’m not sure how to know what version of NVDA I currently have, and how to get the latest update.

 

Or, does NVDA update itself automatically?

 

Any thoughts on this would be appreciated.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan