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Re: vocalizer tiflotecnia

Nimer Jaber
 

I believe that there is no update, that all this hype isn't doing any good. A year ago, this update was coming. Since then, we keep asking and the update is still coming. I highly recommend that, if you wish to use Vocalizer with more voices, check out the version from code factory. I also own Vocalizer for NVDA, and due to PC upgrades I requested a reset of my licenses, however this never happened. Stay away from this product. If many in the community weren't using it, I would consider a ban on the topic of this particular TTS engine, as I hate to think of the users buying it that have not received updates or support.

Thanks.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 10:56 AM Andre Fisher <andrefisher729@...> wrote:
What exactly is delaying the release of the update? There are
additional voices and higher qualiy speech to be gained from this
update. I don't use the product, but am curious as to the reason for
the delay

On 4/14/17, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@...> wrote:
> Yes, it will be released as soon as it is ready...
>
> Regards,
>
> Rui Fontes
> Tiflotecnia, Lda.
>
>
> -----Mensagem Original-----
> De: Quentin Christensen
> Data: 14 de abril de 2017 06:17
> Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotechnia
>
>
> Rui from Tiflotechnica is on this forum so hopefully can answer, but in the
>
> meantime, are you experiencing a particular problem that you hope an update
>
> will resolve?  Or is there a particular feature you would like in a new
> update?
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, are they ever going to update the driver and voices?
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
> Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available:
> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
> Ph +61 7 3149 3306
> www.nvaccess.org
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> Twitter: @NVAccess
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Re: Email Client

Gene
 

No, NVDA reads the items in the same way. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

Yes that is what I mean go through and check the items you want in the spell tab if he is using WLM 2012 there is an options sub menu and in there is
one called mail and there are several tabs in there and one is called spell tab using jaws you need to tab through there and check the options you
want. I hope you can understand what I mean this time I have not used NVDA in there so jaws may read differently I was only trying to help maybe
NVDA reads this differently I hope this may help.
 
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
I'm not sure what you mean by check the spell tab.  You can't check the spell tab, it isn't a check item.  It's a tab that announces that you are in the spell part of the dialog.  If you mean check the items in the spell tab, meaning tab around and look at how they are set, that may help, but I doubt it.  But there's no harm in trying.
 
Gene

----- Original Messsage ------
From: andy.tidwell
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
This may sound crazy but did you go in to the options and mail options and check the spell tab?
 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM.  If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?
Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?


Re: Email Client

andy.tidwell
 

Yes that is what I mean go through and check the items you want in the spell tab if he is using WLM 2012 there is an options sub menu and in there is
one called mail and there are several tabs in there and one is called spell tab using jaws you need to tab through there and check the options you
want. I hope you can understand what I mean this time I have not used NVDA in there so jaws may read differently I was only trying to help maybe
NVDA reads this differently I hope this may help.
 

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 11:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
I'm not sure what you mean by check the spell tab.  You can't check the spell tab, it isn't a check item.  It's a tab that announces that you are in the spell part of the dialog.  If you mean check the items in the spell tab, meaning tab around and look at how they are set, that may help, but I doubt it.  But there's no harm in trying.
 
Gene

----- Original Messsage ------
From: andy.tidwell
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 
This may sound crazy but did you go in to the options and mail options and check the spell tab?
 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM.  If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?
Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?


Re: vocalizer tiflotecnia

Andre Fisher
 

What exactly is delaying the release of the update? There are
additional voices and higher qualiy speech to be gained from this
update. I don't use the product, but am curious as to the reason for
the delay

On 4/14/17, Rui Fontes <rui.fontes@tiflotecnia.com> wrote:
Yes, it will be released as soon as it is ready...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 06:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotechnia


Rui from Tiflotechnica is on this forum so hopefully can answer, but in the

meantime, are you experiencing a particular problem that you hope an update

will resolve? Or is there a particular feature you would like in a new
update?

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, are they ever going to update the driver and voices?










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Re: vocalizer tiflotecnia

Rui Fontes
 

Yes, it will be released as soon as it is ready...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Quentin Christensen
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 06:17
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] vocalizer tiflotechnia


Rui from Tiflotechnica is on this forum so hopefully can answer, but in the meantime, are you experiencing a particular problem that you hope an update will resolve? Or is there a particular feature you would like in a new update?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 7:52 AM, Isaac <bigikemusic@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, are they ever going to update the driver and voices?










--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager


Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/


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www.nvaccess.org
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Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

Rui Fontes
 

Not all! NASA, by example, is read as a word...

Rui

-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 16:20
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?



On my machine, if NVDA is written as capital letters, it is pronounced properly. This is a general behavior. Any time a number of letters is written together and capitalized, Radio station WBBM, for example, the letters are read individually.

Gene

----- Original Message -----


On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 08:06 am, Brian Vogel wrote:


In playing with a couple of things this morning it hit me that when NVDA sees either NVDA in all caps or nvda in lower case, using the synthesizer I'm using (SAPI-5) it always pronounces it as "en vda" (I don't even know how to write out something I think would be pronounced correctly) rather than N V D A.

The probability of NVDA ever occuring, whether upper case, lower case, or mixed case as a stand alone word that is something other than the N V D A acronym is so vanishingly close to zero that I'd think building in recognition of itself, and saying N V D A like it does when starting up and shutting down, would be a nice touch.
--
Brian



The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill


Re: Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

Gene
 

On my machine, if NVDA is written as capital letters, it is pronounced properly.  This is a general behavior.  Any time a number of letters is written together and capitalized, Radio station WBBM, for example, the letters are read individually.  

Gene

----- Original Message -----

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 08:06 am, Brian Vogel wrote:

In playing with a couple of things this morning it hit me that when NVDA sees either NVDA in all caps or nvda in lower case, using the synthesizer I'm using (SAPI-5) it always pronounces it as "en vda"  (I don't even know how to write out something I think would be pronounced correctly) rather than N V D A.

The probability of NVDA ever occuring, whether upper case, lower case, or mixed case as a stand alone word that is something other than the N V D A acronym is so vanishingly close to zero that I'd think building in recognition of itself, and saying N V D A like it does when starting up and shutting down, would be a nice touch.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill


 


Re: Email Client

Rui Fontes
 

Hello.
Checking the first item of that table...

Rui


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Gene
Data: 14 de abril de 2017 16:06
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] Email Client


I'm not sure what you mean by check the spell tab. You can't check the spell tab, it isn't a check item. It's a tab that announces that you are in the spell part of the dialog. If you mean check the items in the spell tab, meaning tab around and look at how they are set, that may help, but I doubt it. But there's no harm in trying.

Gene

----- Original Messsage ------
From: andy.tidwell
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

This may sound crazy but did you go in to the options and mail options and check the spell tab?

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client


I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM. If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
--
Brian

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill





Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?


Anyone ever thought about making NVDA recognize NVDA or nvda as its own acronym?

 

In playing with a couple of things this morning it hit me that when NVDA sees either NVDA in all caps or nvda in lower case, using the synthesizer I'm using (SAPI-5) it always pronounces it as "en vda"  (I don't even know how to write out something I think would be pronounced correctly) rather than N V D A.

The probability of NVDA ever occuring, whether upper case, lower case, or mixed case as a stand alone word that is something other than the N V D A acronym is so vanishingly close to zero that I'd think building in recognition of itself, and saying N V D A like it does when starting up and shutting down, would be a nice touch.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Email Client

Gene
 

I'm not sure what you mean by check the spell tab.  You can't check the spell tab, it isn't a check item.  It's a tab that announces that you are in the spell part of the dialog.  If you mean check the items in the spell tab, meaning tab around and look at how they are set, that may help, but I doubt it.  But there's no harm in trying.
 
Gene

----- Original Messsage ------

Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 9:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

This may sound crazy but did you go in to the options and mail options and check the spell tab?
 
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM.  If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?


Re: Email Client

andy.tidwell
 

This may sound crazy but did you go in to the options and mail options and check the spell tab?
 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client
 

I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM.  If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

Jesus dyed for us, why can't we live for him?


Re: Reading of numbers

 

Regardless of whether one would want something like 2.2.23 read as two point two point twenty-three or two point two point two three the only likely way you're going to get that to happen is by using regular expressions to recognize "numbers not likely to be money or other standard 2-decimal place numbers."

The number string matched by the regular expression would then be broken apart into its component parts then spoken.   I had to do something similar for the word, "cup," which, for some unknown reason, was constantly being read as "Cuban pesos" if it occurred after a number, and I was dealing with recipes, so two Cuban pesos of flour made no sense.  Oddly enough, if you substituted "Cup", with a capital C, for "cup" and the synthesizer got that it would say "cup."

I'm trying to think about how a regular expression could be constructed for this if the number of point separated numbers is unknown and could be more than three number groupings.  It can be done, but I'm rusty in thinking up how it could be done.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Email Client

 

I'll second Gene's suggestion that you do not uninstall Microsoft Office.

It is a simple matter to uninstall and reinstall Windows Live Mail (provided you have the installer downloaded already, and if you don't you can snag in in 7z zipped format here) and, provided you've been using IMAP access to get to your email account(s) all of your messages will have been retained on the server and will be visible again when you set up your account(s) in a fresh installation of WLM.  If you've been using POP, with the conventional settings that delete messages from the server either on download or after a certain number of days, the issue becomes significantly more complicated if you need to keep old messages.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: Email Client

Gene
 

That should have nothing to do with the problem.  Windows Live Mail doesn't use the Microsoft word processor's spell checker.  I don't have Word installed and the spell checker in the program works fine. You can experiment but I'm not sure what might happen if you uninstall and reinstall Word or Office.  It may damage something NVDA needs to function properly and you may have a new and more serious problem.  If anything, try reinstalling Windows Live Mail and I would be very reluctant to uninstall and reinstall Word or Office.  I wouldn't do it before asking the list about possible general effects on NVDA and if reinstalling gets rid of the problem I've seen discussed here that uninstalling causes.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Chin
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 4:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

Thanks for your suggestion.
I do have Microsoft Office installed but I think it was installed after WLM
so therein lies the problem. It looks like I shall have either to reinstall
WLM or download a separate spellchecker.



-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

If you do not have any microsoft office product installed you have no spell
hecker. Its another reason why I'm still using Outlook express.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client


I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well.
However, I have not found a way to  enable the spellcheck facility.
Suggestions would be appreciated.

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses.

Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works
beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers.  One can teach basic use and
ignore all the bells and whistles not needed.  That being said, the less
sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by
fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know
about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit.  That is the
trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird.

I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially
supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their
proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows
Live Mail.   It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client.
If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft
Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in
7-Zip format here.  I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of
weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support.

I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client,
that looks quite good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an
accessibility standpoint.  The interface seems to be simpler than
Thunderbird's is, and that can be critical.   If you do evaluate this client
for accessibility please report back.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the
right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill






 




Re: Reading of numbers

Andre Fisher
 

In certain English speaking dialects, numbers are treated as single
digits after the decimal point is used. For example. 1.44 is 'one
point four four'. and 2.2.23 is 'two point two point two three'

Thanks

On 4/14/17, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com> wrote:
I may ask where do you find it that language? Are you using speech
synthesis for the eSpeak?

Robert Mendoza

On 4/14/2017 6:41 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi quentin.
fortunately with farsi language it works great!
nvda says 1 . 49 instead of 4 9
also i should that for farsi we uncheck Automatic language switching
(when supported) in the voice settings.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 4/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Robert,

I'm still not 100% sure which way you want the numbers to be read, but
in
any case, yes, you should be able to force the behaviour you want using
the
speech dictionary. If you have particular numbers that are specifically
used, then you could add entries for those, otherwise, you could use
regex
to capture any numbers between full stops.

We try not to force NVDA to override the synthesizer too much out of the
box, because for many things, there are multiple ways of interpreting
text
and we try not to make assumptions on that (for instance is "dr" as a
word
Doctor, or Drive?).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi, Quentin!

Sorry for the late response. I would like to add to my note that after
doing a test to the speech synthesis for the Microsoft version 5, I got
the
same result of reading or having output. If there is a chance do you
have
means to mitigate this to fix this in the speech dictionaries so that
nvda
could read it precisely and correct this occurrences. Again, the
speech
mentioned for the version 5 is the one that is built to the version
2017.1.

Robert Mendoza

On 4/12/2017 1:52 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi, Quentin!


The test normally occurs when using in the eSpeak ng synthesizer which
I
usually used with with my test, but never had a chance to play it to
Microsoft speech version 5. Ever since I never had a chance either the
speech settings is change as well.

Robert Mendoza

On 4/12/2017 1:29 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Robert,

Can you please clarify what behaviour you are getting vs what you
expect
exactly?

When I write 1.49.1 in Word or NotePad, exactly what is read depends on
the synthesizer I am using:

Using eSpeak NG, NVDA reads it as "one point four nine point one"
Using Microsoft Speech API Version 5, NVDA reads "one dot forty-nine
dot
one"

The exact text read will depend on the synthesizer, unless you have
created an entry in the speech dictionary which covers the text
encountered.

I did try just 1.49 and both synthesizers read it as "one point four
nine". At a guess, both synthesizers see this is a decimal number and
read
the numbers after the decimal point individually (since you wouldn't
usually say "one point forty-nine". There isn't as clear a rule on
numbers
with multiple dots / decimal places. For instance, I've heard "255" in
the
middle of an IP address pronounced as both "two five five" and "two
hundred
and fifty-five".

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Robert Mendoza
<lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
wrote:

While testing earlier, just noticed that nvda reports the set of
number
1.49.1
Instead of saying this proper by, 1 point 49 point 1

Normally, this is happening when the first one number occurs. Or, I
may
say the one's place value of digit after the period, as stated above
mentioned sample. Is there a way to correct it to the speech settings
to
make it more precise of readings numbers. I appreciate your advice.
or,
perhaps someone could replicate this case. Otherwise, this is a sort
of
a
fix that I would needed to one users or primarily errors in nvda.
Again,
I'm using the latest version of release of 2017.1 to my windows 10 Pro
machine.


--
Robert Mendoza




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Re: donating

Antony Stone
 

So, two questions:

1. how *are* you trying to pay?

2. which web page are you on which accepts that form of payment for donating
to NV Access?


Antony.

On Friday 14 April 2017 at 14:52:23, Don H wrote:

I am not using PayPal.

On 4/14/2017 12:15 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It might be worth contacting PayPal as that shouldn't be happening. You
are into the PayPal system by that point, so it's possibly something on
their end or something between your computer and PayPal.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:29 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net

<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>> wrote:
Get as far as typing in my first name.

On 4/13/2017 8:45 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
What part are you getting to before you get the message?

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net

<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>> wrote:
I don't have a PayPal account.

On 4/12/2017 8:26 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I haven't encountered this either. Have you happened

to pay for

anything else with PayPal on any other site lately?

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:58 PM, erik burggraaf
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>>>> wrote:
Hi Don, did you try donating directly from the

website?

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On April 12, 2017 8:45:49 AM "Don H"

wrote:
Going through it with no hesitations and it

still times

out.

On 4/12/2017 6:50 AM, Brian's Mail list

account wrote:
Unless you take a number of minutes to

fill it out,

this

does not happen
to me I have tosay. if you leave it

sitting there,

and go

and make a cup
of tea it does, but not normally. Very

strange.

Brian
----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H"
<lmddh50@comcast.net

<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>

<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net

<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>>>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>

<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>>

Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] donating

I am trying to make a donation to NVDA

using

the donate

link in the
NVDA menu. I can select my amount and

hit the

donate

now button. On
the next page when I try to enter my

name and

other info

I get a error
page that says the web page has

expired. How

do I get

around this
problem?
If it matters I am in the United
States.

-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
--
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aren't original, and the parts that are original aren't good.

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Re: Reading of numbers

Robert Mendoza
 

I may ask where do you find it that language? Are you using speech synthesis for the eSpeak?

Robert Mendoza

On 4/14/2017 6:41 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi quentin.
fortunately with farsi language it works great!
nvda says 1 . 49 instead of 4 9
also i should that for farsi we uncheck Automatic language switching
(when supported) in the voice settings.
thanks so much and God bless you.

On 4/13/17, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org> wrote:
Hi Robert,

I'm still not 100% sure which way you want the numbers to be read, but in
any case, yes, you should be able to force the behaviour you want using the
speech dictionary. If you have particular numbers that are specifically
used, then you could add entries for those, otherwise, you could use regex
to capture any numbers between full stops.

We try not to force NVDA to override the synthesizer too much out of the
box, because for many things, there are multiple ways of interpreting text
and we try not to make assumptions on that (for instance is "dr" as a word
Doctor, or Drive?).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 6:23 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
wrote:

Hi, Quentin!

Sorry for the late response. I would like to add to my note that after
doing a test to the speech synthesis for the Microsoft version 5, I got
the
same result of reading or having output. If there is a chance do you have
means to mitigate this to fix this in the speech dictionaries so that
nvda
could read it precisely and correct this occurrences. Again, the speech
mentioned for the version 5 is the one that is built to the version
2017.1.

Robert Mendoza

On 4/12/2017 1:52 PM, Robert Mendoza wrote:

Hi, Quentin!


The test normally occurs when using in the eSpeak ng synthesizer which I
usually used with with my test, but never had a chance to play it to
Microsoft speech version 5. Ever since I never had a chance either the
speech settings is change as well.

Robert Mendoza

On 4/12/2017 1:29 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

Hi Robert,

Can you please clarify what behaviour you are getting vs what you expect
exactly?

When I write 1.49.1 in Word or NotePad, exactly what is read depends on
the synthesizer I am using:

Using eSpeak NG, NVDA reads it as "one point four nine point one"
Using Microsoft Speech API Version 5, NVDA reads "one dot forty-nine dot
one"

The exact text read will depend on the synthesizer, unless you have
created an entry in the speech dictionary which covers the text
encountered.

I did try just 1.49 and both synthesizers read it as "one point four
nine". At a guess, both synthesizers see this is a decimal number and
read
the numbers after the decimal point individually (since you wouldn't
usually say "one point forty-nine". There isn't as clear a rule on
numbers
with multiple dots / decimal places. For instance, I've heard "255" in
the
middle of an IP address pronounced as both "two five five" and "two
hundred
and fifty-five".

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 11:15 PM, Robert Mendoza <lowvisiontek@gmail.com>
wrote:

While testing earlier, just noticed that nvda reports the set of number
1.49.1
Instead of saying this proper by, 1 point 49 point 1

Normally, this is happening when the first one number occurs. Or, I may
say the one's place value of digit after the period, as stated above
mentioned sample. Is there a way to correct it to the speech settings
to
make it more precise of readings numbers. I appreciate your advice. or,
perhaps someone could replicate this case. Otherwise, this is a sort of
a
fix that I would needed to one users or primarily errors in nvda. Again,
I'm using the latest version of release of 2017.1 to my windows 10 Pro
machine.


--
Robert Mendoza




--
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Re: donating

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hi Don,

I could be wrong, but I think NVAccess uses paypal for all transactions. Paypal has an option that allows users without paypal accounts to enter card information for one time use and so I suspect that's what you're seeing.

Paypal's systems are designed all screwy. I find a lot of niggling stuff especially on my devices which are all mobile. Whenever I call them for help they never seem to care overmuch. You can try it, but if you have another device you can try it on, that may save you an awful amount of frustration. You could also set up a paypal account. Then donating would become a kind of direct banking process and you get all the benefits, yes and the tribulations too, of having a paypal account.

Sorry all this is happening to you, but thanks for persevering. If there is anything I can actually do to help, I will be happy to.

Best,

Erik

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On April 14, 2017 8:53:22 AM "Don H" <lmddh50@comcast.net> wrote:

I am not using PayPal.

On 4/14/2017 12:15 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It might be worth contacting PayPal as that shouldn't be happening. You
are into the PayPal system by that point, so it's possibly something on
their end or something between your computer and PayPal.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:29 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>> wrote:

Get as far as typing in my first name.

On 4/13/2017 8:45 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

What part are you getting to before you get the message?

On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>> wrote:

I don't have a PayPal account.

On 4/12/2017 8:26 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

I haven't encountered this either. Have you happened
to pay for
anything else with PayPal on any other site lately?

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:58 PM, erik burggraaf
<erik@erik-burggraaf.com
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com> <mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>>
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>>>> wrote:

Hi Don, did you try donating directly from the
website?

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On April 12, 2017 8:45:49 AM "Don H"
<lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>>>
wrote:

Going through it with no hesitations and it
still times
out.

On 4/12/2017 6:50 AM, Brian's Mail list
account wrote:

Unless you take a number of minutes to
fill it out,
this
does not happen
to me I have tosay. if you leave it
sitting there,
and go
and make a cup
of tea it does, but not normally. Very
strange.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>>
<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>>>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>>
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>>>,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H"
<lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] donating


I am trying to make a donation to NVDA
using
the donate
link in the
NVDA menu. I can select my amount and
hit the
donate
now button. On
the next page when I try to enter my
name and
other info
I get a error
page that says the web page has
expired. How
do I get
around this
problem?
If it matters I am in the United States.



















-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA
E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org> <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>>
Twitter: @NVAccess







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
Twitter: @NVAccess







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
Twitter: @NVAccess


Re: donating

Don H
 

I am not using PayPal.

On 4/14/2017 12:15 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It might be worth contacting PayPal as that shouldn't be happening. You are into the PayPal system by that point, so it's possibly something on their end or something between your computer and PayPal.
Kind regards
Quentin.
On Fri, Apr 14, 2017 at 1:29 AM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>> wrote:
Get as far as typing in my first name.
On 4/13/2017 8:45 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
What part are you getting to before you get the message?
On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 10:38 PM, Don H <lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>> wrote:
I don't have a PayPal account.
On 4/12/2017 8:26 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I haven't encountered this either. Have you happened
to pay for
anything else with PayPal on any other site lately?
On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 10:58 PM, erik burggraaf
<erik@erik-burggraaf.com
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com> <mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>>
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com
<mailto:erik@erik-burggraaf.com>>>> wrote:
Hi Don, did you try donating directly from the
website?
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On April 12, 2017 8:45:49 AM "Don H"
<lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>>>
wrote:
Going through it with no hesitations and it
still times
out.
On 4/12/2017 6:50 AM, Brian's Mail list
account wrote:
Unless you take a number of minutes to
fill it out,
this
does not happen
to me I have tosay. if you leave it
sitting there,
and go
and make a cup
of tea it does, but not normally. Very
strange.
Brian
bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>>
<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>
<mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:bglists@blueyonder.co.uk>>>
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal email to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk <mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>>
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk
<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>>>,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Don H"
<lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net> <mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net
<mailto:lmddh50@comcast.net>>>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>>>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2017 10:34 PM
Subject: [nvda] donating
I am trying to make a donation to NVDA
using
the donate
link in the
NVDA menu. I can select my amount and
hit the
donate
now button. On
the next page when I try to enter my
name and
other info
I get a error
page that says the web page has
expired. How
do I get
around this
problem?
If it matters I am in the United States.
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA
E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org> <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>>
Twitter: @NVAccess
--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now
available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
<tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
<http://www.nvaccess.org/>
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
<http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
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Training and Support Manager
Basic Training for NVDA & Microsoft Word with NVDA E-Books now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
Ph +61 7 3149 3306 <tel:%2B61%207%203149%203306>
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Re: Email Client

Peter Chin
 

Thanks for your suggestion.
I do have Microsoft Office installed but I think it was installed after WLM so therein lies the problem. It looks like I shall have either to reinstall WLM or download a separate spellchecker.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Friday, April 14, 2017 1:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

If you do not have any microsoft office product installed you have no spell
hecker. Its another reason why I'm still using Outlook express.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Chin" <peter.chinpk@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 8:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client


I am using mainly Windows Live Mail and for the most part it works well.
However, I have not found a way to enable the spellcheck facility.
Suggestions would be appreciated.

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2017 11:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Email Client

I'm with everyone so far, but in different senses.

Thunderbird is indeed an excellent e-mail client overall and works
beautifully with NVDA and other screen readers. One can teach basic use and
ignore all the bells and whistles not needed. That being said, the less
sophisticated user can and often does get themselves into trouble by
fat-fingering something and triggering some function that they do not know
about, do not wish to trigger, and have no idea how to exit. That is the
trouble with using a really full-featured e-mail client like Thunderbird.

I like Windows Live Mail 2012, and even though it's no longer officially
supported that is mostly because Microsoft decided to change their
proprietary access methods and did not wish to continue updating Windows
Live Mail. It still serves perfectly well as a POP or IMAP e-mail client.
If you want to download a copy of the full offline installer for Microsoft
Essentials, of which Windows Live Mail is a part, it's on my Google Drive in
7-Zip format here. I snagged a copy of the offline installer a couple of
weeks before Microsoft withdrew active support.

I have recently learned of another fairly simple email client, eM Client,
that looks quite good but I have not had a chance yet to evaluate it from an
accessibility standpoint. The interface seems to be simpler than
Thunderbird's is, and that can be critical. If you do evaluate this client
for accessibility please report back.
--
Brian

The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the
right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

~ Dorothy Nevill