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Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Hi Joseph!

Users should point out the problems, that is a must...

But, when I, and not only me, point out problems in Windows Live Mail, ok, it is a descontinued product, but is one of the most used mail apps by brazilian and portuguese comunity, and brazilian is by far the largest NVDA comunity, all problems remain without solution because is a descontinued app or with so low priority that never will be looked...

Regards, and, please, do not considere this as a personal criticism to you or NVDA team, but only as a outdurst!

Rui Fontes


-----Mensagem Original-----
De: Joseph Lee
Data: 24 de maio de 2017 17:39
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA



Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda



On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:



I agree, this was a great article!



Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10





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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian



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From: "Mallard" mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu

To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and
sighted...
I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I
won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make
an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).
Ciao, and thanks Christopher!
Ollie
Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which
you can read here.
http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/


Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Gene
 

I don't think describing how to use object navigation is a good idea in this context.  Giving resources for those interested, such as the tutorial chapter done by Joseph Lee would probably be a much better idea in terms of use of those creating such materials' time.  Also, the user in most cases, doesn't have to know about object navigation when first making the transition.  Better not to overload the user with a difficult concept to teach such as this at the outset. 
 
Using screen review mode can easily be explained in a work such as you are creating and it must be emphasized that after using screen review, the user must return to object navigation mode because if this isn't done, NVDA won't work properly in various contexts.  So just explaining how to enter screen review, numpad insert numpad 7 executed until you hear that there are no more review modes, then give the review commands to read current line, move to and read next line, etc. could be given.  How to move the mouse and click it could also be given. 
 
then how to return to object navigation, numpad insert 1 repeated until there are no more review modes would be done when finished.
 
It is better not to give Window-eyes and NVDA equivalent commands in the context of screen-review.  There are many equivalent commands but going into screen-review and returning to object navigation has no equivalent in Window-eyes.  this might be pointed out.  As for movement commands, the Window-eyes user will recognize equivalents such as read current line without the tutorial pointing out the actual Window-eyes command.
 
The listener or reader will know what is being discussed when the NVDA commands are given.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Howdy Mate,


That's what I was thinking also. If there are any other window eyes users out there whether they be former like myself or current who would like to help me with this endeavor, come on in, because there's loads I don't know. I'll try to have some basic ground work for the sheet up for all of you to look at by tomorrow.   


Tony
On 5/23/2017 5:09 PM, Gene wrote:
You can't compare the Window-eyes mouse pointer to object navigation.  You can give commands in NVDA for read current line, previous line, next line, and similar review commands
 
But you have to learn object navigation on its own. 
 
Screen review should be easy to teach since it is similar.  There are different commands but it's similar in movement and concept.
 
Commands such as read to end can be given.  As for browse mode, commands are either similar or identical in Window-eyes or NVDA.  I haven't used Window-eyes to any extent for years but just listing NVDA commands such as move by heading, h, skip blocks of links, n, move to next button, b, etc. should be sufficient. It should be explained how to stop automatic going into browse mode and how to change audio indications to words. 
 
As I more or less said earlier,  most of what most users do is use program commands, Windows commands, and quick navigation commands. 
 
In my opinion, that is the first important point to be made.
Maybe I'll try writing something.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Hi,


Give me a couple of days, Let me see what I can come up with


Tony


On 5/23/2017 2:38 PM, Brandon Cross wrote:
Yeah, agreed, I tried window eyes briefly, not enough to get a grasp on it, but if anyone did know both intimately, it would be a worthwhile venture to make a little cheat sheet, or more if needed. An article of sourts maybe.

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:40 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Amen!

I will be here to help anyone coming from Window-Eyes to switch to NVDA for their screen reader. I hope this does become a great way to promote NVDA and get many more people acquainted with it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Hi everyone.

 

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that

providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice

transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea

for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are

using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and

NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a

good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as

reporting features and bugs.

 

 

 





Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Rui Fontes
 

Your message is not clear!

What Windows?
What mail application?

Without details like that, is difficult to fix...

Regards,

Rui


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda



On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:



I agree, this was a great article!



Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10





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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian



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From: "Mallard" mailto:mallard@kimabe.eu

To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA





Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and
sighted...
I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I
won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make
an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).
Ciao, and thanks Christopher!
Ollie
Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which
you can read here.
http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Gene
 

The article makes interesting points but it's really overdone.  Here is most of a message I sent to another list on the subject.  I have added more comments. 
 
The assertion that a screen-reader can make a great piece of spyware sounds plausible to me, someone without in depth technical knowledge.  I suspect that it is technically true but I hardly think that VFO would risk the reputation of JAWS by doing so.  It would be illegal on its face, I would think and it would certainly be illegal if it weren't spelled out in the user agreement.  JAWS is very heavily dependent on business use for its revenue.  As one example of liability, if JAWS collected information, anyone business or individual doing medical work in The United States where a person's name is ever used, could prosecute VFO for violating the patient privacy act.  And that's just one example that comes to mind.  Are there blind psychiatrists or psychologists or social workers or people who work for them who use JAWS to keep patient records?  Another case of devastating liability for JAWS.  How about lawyers?  The idea that the owners of JAWS would turn it into spyware is just not credible.  To paraphrase the late Justice Scalia, it should strain the credulity of the credulous.  People may criticize JAWS and its developers for various reasons but it makes no sense to believe that the company is suicidal. 
 
And what is the risk when compared to the benefits?  The blind user base isn't large enough nore affluent enough to even begin to justify such risks, even if the company were suicidal. 
 
I'd have to read the article again to see if I disagree with other assertions, but that was the one I really remember.  There is no question that NVDA is a necessary program and that it fills a vital need in many peoples' lives.  And over time, JAWS will, I would think, lose an increasing amount of market share in the personal market.  It may lose some business market share over time as well.  But when assessing the need for NVDA and its future, paranoia about the irrationality of the major competitor is not a good basis to build a good deal of the argument. 
 
If you make such assertions, you lose credibility for your assertions that are well based.  And even here, one assertion I recall is possible but highly improbable at this time.  The assertion that JAWS is more likely to disappear may be correct, but its highly improbable unless things change dramatically and it should be regarded more as a remote possibility and largely academic at this time. 
 
There are lots of compelling arguments to support and use NVDA.  But such arguments as make up much of this article, while interesting and provocative, are so far-fetched, even though possible, that they are not a good basis to form much of such arguments.  They may gain support for NVDA among some people but they may needlessly erode support among some JAWS users, making NVDA appear more like a project supported by paranoid fanatics than what it actually is, a project that is hard-headed and realistic in its development and outlook.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda
On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 



Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Yes, reproducible. Surprisingly, it works in Edge – that is, when I press H to move to a search results heading and press ENTER, the new page opens. This looks like something odd with either the site’s code or something’s happYes I’m willing to test a beta if you think you get this figured out.  Feel free to email me at

Dennisl1982@...ening at our end (NVDA’s side of things). Was this issue reported via GitHub, and if so, do you have the issue number handy?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

It was reported through github I don’t have the issue number handy my computer crashed so there went that email.    It works with any other screen reader just fine. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Yes, reproducible. Surprisingly, it works in Edge – that is, when I press H to move to a search results heading and press ENTER, the new page opens. This looks like something odd with either the site’s code or something’s happening at our end (NVDA’s side of things). Was this issue reported via GitHub, and if so, do you have the issue number handy?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Yes, reproducible. Surprisingly, it works in Edge – that is, when I press H to move to a search results heading and press ENTER, the new page opens. This looks like something odd with either the site’s code or something’s happening at our end (NVDA’s side of things). Was this issue reported via GitHub, and if so, do you have the issue number handy?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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----- Original Message -----

From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

I reported it to the git hub and to Quinton I don’t know what else to do but since you asked I will report it hear as well.

1 set

www.ixquick.com as your home in internet explorer.

2 do the same in Firefox.

Now using Internet explorer do a search press h for heading  try clicking on any link in the search results  .  Nothing will happen.

If you do the same in Firefox the link will click.  I shouldn’t have to use Firefox or a browser I don’t want to use or am not comfortable with just for it to work right.  If the issues I stated were fixed I would gladly donate to NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

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Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: how to make links appear on a separate line

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


Wo! I didn't know that could be toggled without going into the web preferences? That is fantastic!
---
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Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line

Hello:
The NVDA+v will toggle this feature on and off. However, when its off, it will place the link or the object in a separate line. When its on, it will use the visual layout of the page. Hope this helps.

Hector;

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I think its the other way around I posted how to get to the actually setting to set the default.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...z>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line


Hi


Try while in the browser the NVDA key + letter V


It will toggle between screen layout on and off.


When it is on if i remember right it puts the link on a seperate line.


And the other way on the one line.


Gene nz



On 24/05/2017 4:17 PM, Dennis L wrote:
Hi, how do you prevent  links from appearing on the same line?  I saw this before but my computer crashed and I lost how to fix this.


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Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi,

Part of that involves users telling us how to reproduce bugs so the talented devs (inside and outside NV Access) can troubleshoot them. I’m not saying this lightly: user cooperation is also a key in making screen readers better.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dennis L
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:38 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: how to make links appear on a separate line

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

Thank you I found it.

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Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line

Browse mode turn off use screen layout when supported.

Brian

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From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 5:17 AM
Subject: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line


Hi, how do you prevent links from appearing on the same line? I saw this
before but my computer crashed and I lost how to fix this.


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

That requires NVDA start to fix bugs in a timely manner and add features that Jaws has like when you have messages rules set up and you have 14 unread messages give me the option to have that read automatically when I arrow to the NVDA folder it says NVDA14 unread messages or something like that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


Chris has written loads of good stuff about NVDA over the past few
moons. His blog is a worthwhile read for any one who is in the screen
reader business whether they be an instructor, IT guy, or end user. I'll
check it out.


Tony

On 5/23/2017 5:47 PM, Lino Morales wrote:
Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA
which you can read here.

http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/




Re: how to make links appear on a separate line

Dennis L <dennisl1982@...>
 

How do you set it so you don’t have to do that all the time there were instructions previously given but my computer crashed.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Hector Elias
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 12:05 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line

 

Hello:

The NVDA+v will toggle this feature on and off. However, when its off, it will place the link or the object in a separate line. When its on, it will use the visual layout of the page. Hope this helps.


Hector;

 

On Wed, May 24, 2017 at 8:30 AM, Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...> wrote:

I think its the other way around I posted how to get to the actually setting to set the default.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene New Zealand" <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to make links appear on a separate line


Hi


Try while in the browser the NVDA key + letter V


It will toggle between screen layout on and off.


When it is on if i remember right it puts the link on a seperate line.


And the other way on the one line.


Gene nz



On 24/05/2017 4:17 PM, Dennis L wrote:
Hi, how do you prevent  links from appearing on the same line?  I saw this before but my computer crashed and I lost how to fix this.


--
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net. Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations or location is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries | Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa -



 


Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Hi Tony,

Do you know any Window-Eyes app scripters besides Jeff Bishop? If so, please have them write to me directly, as I have a proposal for them.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tony Ballou
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Howdy Mate,

 

That's what I was thinking also. If there are any other window eyes users out there whether they be former like myself or current who would like to help me with this endeavor, come on in, because there's loads I don't know. I'll try to have some basic ground work for the sheet up for all of you to look at by tomorrow.   


Tony

On 5/23/2017 5:09 PM, Gene wrote:

You can't compare the Window-eyes mouse pointer to object navigation.  You can give commands in NVDA for read current line, previous line, next line, and similar review commands

 

But you have to learn object navigation on its own. 

 

Screen review should be easy to teach since it is similar.  There are different commands but it's similar in movement and concept.

 

Commands such as read to end can be given.  As for browse mode, commands are either similar or identical in Window-eyes or NVDA.  I haven't used Window-eyes to any extent for years but just listing NVDA commands such as move by heading, h, skip blocks of links, n, move to next button, b, etc. should be sufficient. It should be explained how to stop automatic going into browse mode and how to change audio indications to words. 

 

As I more or less said earlier,  most of what most users do is use program commands, Windows commands, and quick navigation commands. 

 

In my opinion, that is the first important point to be made.

Maybe I'll try writing something.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Hi,

 

Give me a couple of days, Let me see what I can come up with


Tony

On 5/23/2017 2:38 PM, Brandon Cross wrote:

Yeah, agreed, I tried window eyes briefly, not enough to get a grasp on it, but if anyone did know both intimately, it would be a worthwhile venture to make a little cheat sheet, or more if needed. An article of sourts maybe.

 

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:40 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Amen!

I will be here to help anyone coming from Window-Eyes to switch to NVDA for their screen reader. I hope this does become a great way to promote NVDA and get many more people acquainted with it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Hi everyone.

 

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that

providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice

transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea

for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are

using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and

NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a

good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as

reporting features and bugs.

 

 

 

 

 

 


help pairing and using Xamarin live player with visual studio on windows

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,

 

As some may have heard, Microsoft has released a new app.

This app is called “Xamarin live player.”

 

It’s available for both ios and android.

 

I’m trying to pair visual studio  on Windows, which I’m running through VMwware fusion, to my iPhone so I can use the app, but everything I’ve found says that you have to use the mac version, which is totally enaccessible with voiceover.

 

What should I do?

 

Does this app work under Windows?

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Tony Ballou
 

Howdy Mate,


That's what I was thinking also. If there are any other window eyes users out there whether they be former like myself or current who would like to help me with this endeavor, come on in, because there's loads I don't know. I'll try to have some basic ground work for the sheet up for all of you to look at by tomorrow.   


Tony

On 5/23/2017 5:09 PM, Gene wrote:
You can't compare the Window-eyes mouse pointer to object navigation.  You can give commands in NVDA for read current line, previous line, next line, and similar review commands
 
But you have to learn object navigation on its own. 
 
Screen review should be easy to teach since it is similar.  There are different commands but it's similar in movement and concept.
 
Commands such as read to end can be given.  As for browse mode, commands are either similar or identical in Window-eyes or NVDA.  I haven't used Window-eyes to any extent for years but just listing NVDA commands such as move by heading, h, skip blocks of links, n, move to next button, b, etc. should be sufficient. It should be explained how to stop automatic going into browse mode and how to change audio indications to words. 
 
As I more or less said earlier,  most of what most users do is use program commands, Windows commands, and quick navigation commands. 
 
In my opinion, that is the first important point to be made.
Maybe I'll try writing something.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2017 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Hi,


Give me a couple of days, Let me see what I can come up with


Tony


On 5/23/2017 2:38 PM, Brandon Cross wrote:
Yeah, agreed, I tried window eyes briefly, not enough to get a grasp on it, but if anyone did know both intimately, it would be a worthwhile venture to make a little cheat sheet, or more if needed. An article of sourts maybe.

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:40 PM, David Moore <jesusloves1966@...> wrote:

Amen!

I will be here to help anyone coming from Window-Eyes to switch to NVDA for their screen reader. I hope this does become a great way to promote NVDA and get many more people acquainted with it.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Andre Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 2:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

Hi everyone.

 

Although I was never a Window-Eyes user, strictly NVDA, I feel that

providing material, similarly to how VFO provided some nice

transitional material to help transition to JAWS is a very good idea

for NVDA. This will be especially beneficial to those persons who are

using the Free for Office Edition. As there is a page on the wiki and

NVDACon, I hope this suggestion can come to reality, as there is a

good opportunity to extend NVDA's reach and popularity, as well as

reporting features and bugs.

 

 

 





Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Hi all,

May I say something about this article and offer a suggestion to the community at large:

The article deals mostly with corporate attitudes, sales strategies, labels, standards and so on, using NVDA as an example and advocates for greater adoption of open-source solutions in screen reading. While I have mixed feelings about this, I’m more worried about what VFO and other parties will go through in the next while.

As for response, as a community, I think it is better to use reasoned and ethical advocacy than rushed, emotional retweets and replies. I’m sure of us might be thinking that retweets is a reasonable form of advocacy and that’s all. I’d say not: retweets is just one thing, but reasonable advocacy involves willingness to think things through and come up with educated arguments. I myself advised VFO to reevaluate their corporate attitudes, sales strategies and public relations front based on content presented in this article and from other reports, and did warn them that they’ll have to answer tough questions.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of The Wolf
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:11 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 

 


Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

I have to agree

lets tell vfo where to shove it

and get more people to drop jaws and switch to nvda

On 5/24/2017 9:08 AM, Devin Prater wrote:

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>

 

 

 

 



Re: A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

Devin Prater
 

I agree, this was a great article!

 

Devin Prater
Assistive Technology in training, World Services for the Blind
Sent from Mail for windows 10

 

From: Brian's Mail list account
Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 10:34 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

Except that every time someone says Floss to me I think of teeth.

sorry.

Brian

 

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From: "Mallard" <mallard@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2017 9:04 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] A very damn well written article promoting NVDA

 

 

> Wow! This is great! I'll forward it to all my friends, blind and

> sighted...

> I usually donate to NVDA each time a new version comes out, but I think I

> won't wait for NVDA 2017.2 to be officially released. This time I'll make

> an early donation to celebrate this great article... (smile).

> Ciao, and thanks Christopher!

> Ollie

> Il 23/05/2017 23:47, Lino Morales ha scritto:

>> Chris Hoffstater wrote a damn good article on his blog about NVDA which

>> you can read here.

>> 

>> http://chrishofstader.com/nvda-now-more-than-ever/

>> 

>> 

>> 

>> 

>

>