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Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

    Yes I do want updates to be announced as they come in asI get updates when Icheck for them and I wait until I know that they have been successfully installed or not and there is no reason that this can't be done but you just don't care.  This is the second request that I have made and I got the same response.  The first request was for an add on for ie to read the percentages when downloading and now this request for an add on to announce every update as it comes in.  The clear reality here is if the developers of nvda don't want somthing in nvda it's just not going to happen.   It's not about it's about the en users of your product nvda.  If you truly did care about the users of nvda then you would make theese 2 add ons that I have requested.  There is no such as it can't be done that only says that you just don't want to do it.  The developers and the add on community does not really care at all about the requests of the users of nvda because the profe is in the poodding.

Brian Sackrider


On 4/12/2017 6:21 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian,

          I can see.  I cannot see what updates I will get until the list has populated, usually one by one.  Yes, I can see what's coming in before the install begins, but what does that matter because you can't stop it.

          If you want to know what's being installed then you need to constantly go and trigger a Check for Updates and wait for the first to begin either downloading or installing (depending on the sizes involved) and review the list.

          It's essentially no different than what the sighted get except that you need to wait for the auditory cue that the updates have begun downloading or installing.

          Things have changed in Windows 10 and the vast majority of users, including myself, have no idea of what's being installed until after the fact because Windows Update has changed significantly and by design keeps the process as "set it and forget it" as possible.

           I don't know what you think that the add-on should do unless you want it to lock up your processing by watching and waiting for each update name to be populated in the list, which is not always quick.

           If you want to know what's coming in you can wait and listen using NVDA, rather than look, as the sighted world has to do but with sight.  No screen reader is telepathic about how a dynamic list might populate until it's done populating.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

 

Jessica,

           I suspect that the Bootcamp version will not have System Restore available as Enes noted that the Mac Virtual Windows environment of his friend's does not.

           I have no idea whether a virtual machine would, either, as I have not dealt with Windows as a virtual machine.

           Perhaps someone else will have some ideas, but the conjecture I might offer would have no basis in experience and in this particular instance that's really not good.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

Brian,

          I can see.  I cannot see what updates I will get until the list has populated, usually one by one.  Yes, I can see what's coming in before the install begins, but what does that matter because you can't stop it.

          If you want to know what's being installed then you need to constantly go and trigger a Check for Updates and wait for the first to begin either downloading or installing (depending on the sizes involved) and review the list.

          It's essentially no different than what the sighted get except that you need to wait for the auditory cue that the updates have begun downloading or installing.

          Things have changed in Windows 10 and the vast majority of users, including myself, have no idea of what's being installed until after the fact because Windows Update has changed significantly and by design keeps the process as "set it and forget it" as possible.

           I don't know what you think that the add-on should do unless you want it to lock up your processing by watching and waiting for each update name to be populated in the list, which is not always quick.

           If you want to know what's coming in you can wait and listen using NVDA, rather than look, as the sighted world has to do but with sight.  No screen reader is telepathic about how a dynamic list might populate until it's done populating.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



PC slowing on starting

Holger Fiallo <hfiallo@...>
 

 

Using new W10, NVDA, current browser IE. Noticing that now my PC takes several minutes to restart when I restar my PC. Before it was very fast. What can I do to make it fast again. Did disc cleaning. There is sometime in start where you can go to uncheck apps to run unless you do it manually. Help please. Was able to do so with W7.
Holger Fiallo


Re: windows 10 creators update version, along with NVDA

 

Yes I had no issues with 2017.1 and the latest windows 10 apps here everything works as it should.

On 12/04/2017 10:25 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
Shaun, are you referring to 2017.1? That's why have now moved over to next snapshot - 2017.2 hasn't been released yet?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-04-12 12:04, Shaun Everiss wrote:
well 2017.2 and the latest win10 apps worked.

I didn't lose much at all, in fact I lost nothing.




On 12/04/2017 9:47 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
One thing was glad of/quite impressed by was that on first bootup after the upgrade/install process, besides being able to launch narrator before anything else was really happening - it was in last stages of setup wizard - one of the first active app that came up was classicshell.net, telling me it had to reconfigure itself, and, it then immediately told me it had been successful.


So, seems like of all the software had installed here, windows 10 upgrade only really seemed to remove the pseudo-form of outlook express that use for a separate e-mail account - nothing major, and, had pretty much expected it to happen.


Also think that, while not sure it was really an issue, should maybe have switched over to the NVDA next snapshot before upgrading, but anyway.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-04-12 11:23, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

Hi,

I updated my laptop to Windows 10 Creator's Update, and things seem to work fine. Be aware, if you attempt to update from version 1607 via a disk image and select to only keep files, you may encounter an issue where some settings, like some start menu settings, won't save properly. I contacted Microsoft support and they remoted into my laptop, created a new test account, and the issue was not present in the test account. So today in order to fix the issue I decided to reset my computer, rather than using the test account that the Microsoft support personnel created.







.


How do I access invisible icons in Firefox?

Richard Tomaszewski <ritoma1@...>
 

Hi.

I have tried to install VPN apps in Firefox, and they do install, but
they need to be activated. That is done by clicking their icon at the
top right of the Firefox screen. However, I haven't been able to find
the icon with Firefox. Is there a way to do this? Perhaps label the
icon with the help of a sighted person?

Richard


Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
I’m not familiar with the first option you gave, and don’t know how to restore my system using “system restore.”

I should quickly say that I have Windows 10, twice.
Once as a virtual machine, and once via Bootcamp.

What can I do?

Thanks,
Jessica

On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:54 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:42 am, Jessica D wrote:
Is that what I should try?

 Not knowing your specific problem, nor what you may already have done or not done, I can't advise you specifically.

That being said, when I get weirdnesses with Windows 10 and/or previously functioning applications after an update here are the steps I follow:

  1. The step by step instructions in:  Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
  2. If that doesn't work, and I don't want to necessarily reset yet, I will try using System Restore to roll back to a restore point before the update was applied and allow the update to reapply itself.  There can be inexplicable errors in a given update installation that do not recur if it's allowed to run again.
  3. If step number two is either skipped or gives an unsatisfactory result, then one absolutely must take a full backup of one's user data files and, preferably, a system image backup before continuing.  You want this for insurance.
  4. If you don't have System Restore on, or the roll back and reapplication of the "offending update" gives an unsatisfactory result, then I first try Reset with "keep your files" option.
  5. If the "Keep my files" Reset refuses to complete, and sometimes it will, then try Reset with a full wipe, knowing you'll have to restore your user data and probably reinstall certain programs, too.
  6. If neither Reset option will run then go to the Windows 10 Download Page, download the Media Creation Tool, run the Media creation tool to either create a bootable USB drive or get the Windows ISO file for burning to optical media to make a bootable DVD, then use that bootable media to reinstall Windows 10 or to try a reset using it as the mechanism.

--
Brian


     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

    The add on should still tell you what updates you have when you check for updates people who can see will know what updates they have but we won't unless we check the list.  You may not want this but some of us do.  It be an option in the add on settings for those who do.  I don't use every setting that is nvda but I am glad that they are there for those who need them.  The question is nvda really and truly user driven or not?  Options that users want should be given serious conciteration but they are not. 

rian Sackrider


On 4/12/2017 3:05 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Brian,

          I just did a "Check for Updates" and got an update for Windows Defender definitions.  I was focused on the update History link so I would only have known that an update was found because the "install ascending beeps began" but I was able to hit SHIFT+TAB to go back to the updates list and it read off the update that had been downloaded and was being applied.  Since this was prefaced by "List" I'd have to believe I could navigate through additional list items if such had existed.

          Like I said, most updates occur in the background if they're "trivial" and I don't even know that they've occurred unless I check Update History.  Since you can't reject them it's more than a bit of a moot point if you know about them either immediately before or immediately after they've been applied.  They will be applied so I simply don't concern myself with them until or unless a problem occurs that requires fixing.  If you want to know what's been applied that you didn't manually initiate and watch then use the Updates History link to get to the list.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

Brian,

          I just did a "Check for Updates" and got an update for Windows Defender definitions.  I was focused on the update History link so I would only have known that an update was found because the "install ascending beeps began" but I was able to hit SHIFT+TAB to go back to the updates list and it read off the update that had been downloaded and was being applied.  Since this was prefaced by "List" I'd have to believe I could navigate through additional list items if such had existed.

          Like I said, most updates occur in the background if they're "trivial" and I don't even know that they've occurred unless I check Update History.  Since you can't reject them it's more than a bit of a moot point if you know about them either immediately before or immediately after they've been applied.  They will be applied so I simply don't concern myself with them until or unless a problem occurs that requires fixing.  If you want to know what's been applied that you didn't manually initiate and watch then use the Updates History link to get to the list.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

Hi,

As the updates are being downloaded, you can check what updates will be installed. This lives in a list that shows up when you TAB from Windows Update subcategory item.

Cheers,

Joseph

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of brian
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 11:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

    My point was that when you do check for updates and you do have updates you don't know what they are but in windows 7 you always did.  why can't this be done in windows 10? We should be able to what updates just the sighted can and you should not to wait until they are installed and check your pdate history.

Brian Sackrider

 

On 4/12/2017 2:43 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Won't NVDA announce the Updates in the Windows Update pane of Update & security settings?

I've never seen the specific updates listed other than in that dialog or when checking Update History from within that same dialog.  With "Windows as a Service" updates to Windows Defender definitions and the like occur without your knowing about it most of the time unless you specifically look in Update History.  I generally don't know that an Update has been applied unless said update requires a restart.  I look in Update History after the fact most of the time since you cannot reject updates to Windows 10 and I wouldn't want to, anyway.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill

 

 


Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

 

On Wed, Apr 12, 2017 at 11:42 am, Jessica D wrote:
Is that what I should try?

 Not knowing your specific problem, nor what you may already have done or not done, I can't advise you specifically.

That being said, when I get weirdnesses with Windows 10 and/or previously functioning applications after an update here are the steps I follow:

  1. The step by step instructions in:  Using SFC (System File Checker) and DISM (Deployment Imaging Servicing and Management) to Repair Windows 8 & 10
  2. If that doesn't work, and I don't want to necessarily reset yet, I will try using System Restore to roll back to a restore point before the update was applied and allow the update to reapply itself.  There can be inexplicable errors in a given update installation that do not recur if it's allowed to run again.
  3. If step number two is either skipped or gives an unsatisfactory result, then one absolutely must take a full backup of one's user data files and, preferably, a system image backup before continuing.  You want this for insurance.
  4. If you don't have System Restore on, or the roll back and reapplication of the "offending update" gives an unsatisfactory result, then I first try Reset with "keep your files" option.
  5. If the "Keep my files" Reset refuses to complete, and sometimes it will, then try Reset with a full wipe, knowing you'll have to restore your user data and probably reinstall certain programs, too.
  6. If neither Reset option will run then go to the Windows 10 Download Page, download the Media Creation Tool, run the Media creation tool to either create a bootable USB drive or get the Windows ISO file for burning to optical media to make a bootable DVD, then use that bootable media to reinstall Windows 10 or to try a reset using it as the mechanism.

--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

    My point was that when you do check for updates and you do have updates you don't know what they are but in windows 7 you always did.  why can't this be done in windows 10? We should be able to what updates just the sighted can and you should not to wait until they are installed and check your pdate history.

Brian Sackrider


On 4/12/2017 2:43 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Won't NVDA announce the Updates in the Windows Update pane of Update & security settings?

I've never seen the specific updates listed other than in that dialog or when checking Update History from within that same dialog.  With "Windows as a Service" updates to Windows Defender definitions and the like occur without your knowing about it most of the time unless you specifically look in Update History.  I generally don't know that an Update has been applied unless said update requires a restart.  I look in Update History after the fact most of the time since you cannot reject updates to Windows 10 and I wouldn't want to, anyway.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




Re: windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

 

Won't NVDA announce the Updates in the Windows Update pane of Update & security settings?

I've never seen the specific updates listed other than in that dialog or when checking Update History from within that same dialog.  With "Windows as a Service" updates to Windows Defender definitions and the like occur without your knowing about it most of the time unless you specifically look in Update History.  I generally don't know that an Update has been applied unless said update requires a restart.  I look in Update History after the fact most of the time since you cannot reject updates to Windows 10 and I wouldn't want to, anyway.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
Is that what I should try?

What should I do?

Thanks,
Jessica

On Apr 12, 2017, at 2:38 PM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

If DISM doesn't work I don't have any other ideas that a Reset with "keep my files" as the first option and moving on from there.

Since this is a virtual Windows environment running on a Mac the software maker for the virtual environment may have some tricks that I know nothing about.  I've worked with one and only one "Win10 on Mac" client.
--
Brian


     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill





Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

 

If DISM doesn't work I don't have any other ideas that a Reset with "keep my files" as the first option and moving on from there.

Since this is a virtual Windows environment running on a Mac the software maker for the virtual environment may have some tricks that I know nothing about.  I've worked with one and only one "Win10 on Mac" client.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill



Re: a problem a friend is having after installing a windows update

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Tried sfc with no success. However, will try dism. Additionally, this was an ssd on a mac, so system restore was disabled. Therefore, this is not an option.


On 4/12/2017 7:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Enes,

          Have you tried SFC followed by DISM (possibly followed again by SFC)?   I have found that DISM often fixes bits that SFC does not.

If you can't get this fixed via SFC & DISM then I'd consider using System Restore to roll back to a restore point prior to the latest cumulative update install.  There are times when some really inexplicable (and seemingly undetectable) error occurs during an update and allowing it to reapply itself after a restore to before it was first applied allows it to get itself installed correctly on the second shot.

If you want to "go extreme" you could use system restore to roll back to before that last cumulative update then use the Windows 10 Update Assistant to force an update to Creators Update.  This, however, would be my last resort.
--
Brian

     The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.

            ~ Dorothy Nevill




windows 10 app esencials announsing what updates you have

brian <sackriderbrian45@...>
 

Why can't windows app esencials announce what updates you have/? in windows 7 you always knew what updates you had but in windows 10 you don't. It would be nice to know what updates you have if it's a windows defender update or a major build or some cumulitive update.

Brian Sackrider


Issues with NVDA and 1703, inside VM ware fusion

Jessica D <jldail13@...>
 

Hi,
 
I’m using vM ware fusion, as a free trial, and I can’t press “insert+ N” for the NVDA menu.
Ive made other key combinations, but none of them work.
Also, on occasion, other keys, like “alt tab” won’t work.
 
How can I fix this?
 
I’ve updated my installation media, just in case.
 
Is telling the computer to boot from installation media accessible?
 
Thanks,
Jessica


Re: windows 10 creators update version, along with NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


I was about to say.
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 creators update version, along with NVDA

Shaun, are you referring to 2017.1? That's why have now moved over to
next snapshot - 2017.2 hasn't been released yet?


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-04-12 12:04, Shaun Everiss wrote:
> well 2017.2 and the latest win10 apps worked.
>
> I didn't lose much at all, in fact I lost nothing.
>
>
>
>
> On 12/04/2017 9:47 p.m., Jacob Kruger wrote:
>> One thing was glad of/quite impressed by was that on first bootup
>> after the upgrade/install process, besides being able to launch
>> narrator before anything else was really happening - it was in last
>> stages of setup wizard - one of the first active app that came up was
>> classicshell.net, telling me it had to reconfigure itself, and, it
>> then immediately told me it had been successful.
>>
>>
>> So, seems like of all the software had installed here, windows 10
>> upgrade only really seemed to remove the pseudo-form of outlook
>> express that use for a separate e-mail account - nothing major, and,
>> had pretty much expected it to happen.
>>
>>
>> Also think that, while not sure it was really an issue, should maybe
>> have switched over to the NVDA next snapshot before upgrading, but
>> anyway.
>>
>>
>> Stay well
>>
>>
>> Jacob Kruger
>> Blind Biker
>> Skype: BlindZA
>> "Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."
>>
>> On 2017-04-12 11:23, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I updated my laptop to Windows 10 Creator's Update, and things seem
>>> to work fine. Be aware, if you attempt to update from version 1607
>>> via a disk image and select to only keep files, you may encounter an
>>> issue where some settings, like some start menu settings, won't save
>>> properly. I contacted Microsoft support and they remoted into my
>>> laptop, created a new test account, and the issue was not present in
>>> the test account. So today in order to fix the issue I decided to
>>> reset my computer, rather than using the test account that the
>>> Microsoft support personnel created.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: windows 10 creators update version, along with NVDA

Christopher-Mark Gilland <clgilland07@...>
 


You wrote:
 
To the rest as you can see I am being extremely sarcastic.
 
Yee'ee'ee'eeh. I was kind a hopin' so...
---
Christopher Gilland
Co-founder of Genuine Safe Haven Ministries
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2017 6:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] windows 10 creators update version, along with NVDA

Why bother with the reset.

After the update I went through the settings setting things as they
should be.

Why bother updating if you will reset, why not just get a fresh image
and reformat and fix everything that way if you are set on a reinstall.

A good reformat always fixes everything and makes your system work as it
should.

In fact its the first thing you should do to fix any issue reformat and
the problem will go away.


To the rest as you can see I am being extremely sarcastic.

A reset is almost a reformat and there is no need for resetting with
settings and stuff.




On 12/04/2017 9:23 p.m., Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I updated my laptop to Windows 10 Creator's Update, and things seem to work fine. Be aware, if you attempt to update from version 1607 via a disk image and select to only keep files, you may encounter an issue where some settings, like some start menu settings, won't save properly. I contacted Microsoft support and they remoted into my laptop, created a  new test account, and the issue was not present in the test account. So today in order to fix the issue I decided to reset my computer, rather than using the test account that the Microsoft support personnel created.
>