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Re: working with tables in microsoft word

Angelo Sonnesso
 

Is there a way to read the entire row, or column with NVDA?

 

73 N2DYN Angelo

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2017 5:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] working with tables in microsoft word

 

Enes,

           Yes, but I was sticking with NVDA terminology.  Browse versus focus modes.   JAWS uses Browse versus Forms modes.  Focus/Forms mode is where you can do data entry and/or editing in the cell/edit box/other object that accepts text input that you find yourself in.
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Re: working with tables in microsoft word

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

They seem to be. Thank you for your help.


On 5/19/2017 3:17 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Enes,

         I just wanted to check in to see if the commands I suggested are actually working for you in practice.
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Program Query

Andrea Sherry
 

Please ignore my last message re file/folder attribute changer.

Andrea


Utility Query

Andrea Sherry
 

Need a program to change file/folder dates etc. I guess the program would change other attributes rhoufh my need is to change time/date stamp on files/folders.

Is there something like this that listers have used with NVDA?

Andrea


Re: Test Message

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi again, David,

 

I don't know why outlook went quirky but it's working ok now. I got out of it and then went back into it. Now it's working fine.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Hi, David,

 

I can't read the message.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Hi Tom,

Great to see you here!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Thanks, Joseph, and good to see you here!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Hi professor,

Yes it did.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Test Message

 

Just checking to be sure my subscription went through.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: Test Message

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, David,

 

I can't read the message.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 9:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Hi Tom,

Great to see you here!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Thanks, Joseph, and good to see you here!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Hi professor,

Yes it did.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Test Message

 

Just checking to be sure my subscription went through.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: Test Message

David Moore
 

Hi Tom,

Great to see you here!

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Thanks, Joseph, and good to see you here!

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Test Message

 

Hi professor,

Yes it did.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Tom Behler
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 7:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Test Message

 

Just checking to be sure my subscription went through.

 

Dr.  Tom Behler from Michigan

 

 


Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

 

You know that could be good, what about a way to just remove settings within the program if they screw.

On 19/05/2017 6:34 a.m., Gene wrote:
Maybe the uninstaller should ask if you want to remove your settings or just the program. It shouldn't be this convoluted to remove everything, should people want to.
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tyler Spivey
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install


NVDA is in several parts.
The program can be removed with Programs and Features.

The user configuration won't be removed when the program is, and this
confuses a lot of people. Do this:
1. From the Run dialog (Windows+r), type:

%appdata%

And press enter.
2. Find nvda in that directory and delete it.

It's best to do this when NVDA is not running.

If you just want to restore your user settings to factory defaults
without addons, then deleting the configuration should be enough.

On 5/18/2017 9:36 AM, Earle Zwicker wrote:
'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?

Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?

I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.

Thanks for any ideas.

Earle

Sent from my iPhone



Re: Best Way To Remove Nvda And Do A Clean Install

 

well 1. uninstall nvda as normal using a portable nvda just uninstall nvda from the nvda menu or programs and features

then go to the following folder %username%\%appdata%

or just type %appdata% in run box.

locate nvda folder and hit delete on that.

Next go to c:\program files on 32 bit systems or c:\program files(x86) on 64 bit systems find the nvda folder and hit delete.

Next go to c:\programdata and find anything called nvda and delete it.

The most important folder is the application data one.

Reinstall nvda and redo your settings.

On 19/05/2017 4:36 a.m., Earle Zwicker wrote:
'What is the best way to remove Nvda and all components and addons, so that I can start from scratch?

Would removing it by using programs and features be the best way, or is there a more thorough option?

I'm running Windows 10 creater with all of the latest updates.

Thanks for any ideas.

Earle

Sent from my iPhone

.


Re: NVDA With SmashWords eBooks?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

As I mentioned to David in a private email, Epub files are just zip files with (mostly) html files inside. There's other things mixed in there too, but I just unzip the epub files, and read them in my browser of choice (which of course varies depending on what os I'm on). It works for me, and no special epub software is recuired. Now, encrypted epubs are a different matter, for those, you will need a dedicated epub reading software, as unencrypting the files is not a simple process, and is most easily performed by software designed for the process.

Hope this helps.

On 5/18/2017 9:27 PM, Pranav Lal wrote:
Hi David,

I have published on smashwords and have bought a few books from there too. Their PDF option works. You upload your book as a doc file I think.

Their epub format also works. I use the qread program to read epub files.
Pranav



Re: NVDA With SmashWords eBooks?

Pranav Lal
 

Hi David,

I have published on smashwords and have bought a few books from there too. Their PDF option works. You upload your book as a doc file I think.

Their epub format also works. I use the qread program to read epub files.
Pranav


Re: working with tables in Microsoft word

Pranav Lal
 

Hi enes,

 

It is possible that the text in the table cell is not wrapping. You may have to adjust the properties of the table. Once you are in the table, go to the ribbon or right click the table and adjust things. You do not need to play with brows and focus modes. You stay in focus mode all the time.

You can navigate with the control+alt+arrow keys within a table as other people have explained. The thing with using the tab key is that it highlights the contents of the cell you tab too. Which means, that it is easy to type over them. Sometimes, this ability is handy.

 

Pranav

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of enes saribas
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] working with tables in microsoft word

 

hi,

When you say focus mode, do you mean edit mode?

 

On 5/17/2017 11:52 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 11:32 am, enes sarıbaş wrote:

To enter data into a column, do I just activate browse mode and start typing? I would previously activate browse mode, and arrow through the table until I found the spot and start typing. That was a really bad idea.

 Enes,

          Although I have to believe a typo is at play here.  When you're trying to navigate through the table to see what's already there you would be in browse mode  and the cell content would be read to you.  When you want to change it you need to be in focus mode to allow typing of data into the cell, selection of pre-existing data for replacement, etc., using the usual selection commands as appropriate (other than CTRL+A, which will always get you the whole darned document, or at least that's what it does in Office 2010).
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Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, Brian,

 

I used to be a Jaws user until 2011 when I upgraded to windows 7. You're right about Jaws and NVDA being very similar to one another.

 

Rosemarie

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 12:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:31 pm, Tony Ballou wrote:

The concept is almost 2 different animals.

 The above being written with regard to Window-Eyes and NVDA, and that perspective fascinates me since I have very limited experience with Window Eyes.

This is very different from my personal experience [proviso: as a sighted person who only tutors screen reader use rather than actually using a screen reader as my primary access to the computer] between JAWS and NVDA.  I know JAWS (or at least knew JAWS, I'm getting a bit rusty but it'll be like riding a bike) and when I wanted to learn NVDA the major annoyance was unlearning a few keystrokes that they don't share for the same functions.  By and large they're very similar animals in my opinion.

How do others who used or may still use both JAWS and NVDA feel about this observation?   You're much better able to speak to whether my perspective is utterly skewed or not.
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

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Re: Keep reading area that is not the focus

 

Hi,

The solution depends on what the app does when things change. If it sends specific events that NVDA knows about, then it might be possible to write an app module to take care of this.

May we have the info for this app, including the name, version, and the vendor info? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 4:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Keep reading area that is not the focus

 

Bruno,

         Someone else may have a much better solution, but my first reaction is that you should take a look at the Golden Cursor add-on.
 
          If what you need to do is jumping from specific location to specific location on the screen where the elements you're looking at are in fixed locations this add-on is absolutely ideal for setting up to do that.  If mouse tracking is on you'll hear what's under the mouse as soon as you land on top of the thing to be spoken.

          It seems to me that someone has mentioned a method of getting updated reports for a fixed area on the screen, but I'll be darned if I can point you to where.
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Re: working with tables in microsoft word

 

Enes,

         I just wanted to check in to see if the commands I suggested are actually working for you in practice.
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Brian         Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Re: Keep reading area that is not the focus

 

Bruno,

         Someone else may have a much better solution, but my first reaction is that you should take a look at the Golden Cursor add-on.
 
          If what you need to do is jumping from specific location to specific location on the screen where the elements you're looking at are in fixed locations this add-on is absolutely ideal for setting up to do that.  If mouse tracking is on you'll hear what's under the mouse as soon as you land on top of the thing to be spoken.

          It seems to me that someone has mentioned a method of getting updated reports for a fixed area on the screen, but I'll be darned if I can point you to where.
--
Brian         Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Keep reading area that is not the focus

bsmasiero@...
 

Hello everyone,


I´m new to NVDA and I´m hopping you can help me with a usability question.

I have a audiology student that should use a audiometer control software.
He can control the audiometer with the arrow keys.
This will modify a figure, wich is the focus region, but also will alter the values displayed at another area of the software.
If I hover the area with the mouse NVDA will read the new values.

My question is: can I set up NVDA to continually scan a single area in the screen and read it´s values once they are altered?
Or can I create a macro that reads that area every time I hit an arrow key?

Thank you guys for your help.
Cheers,
Bruno Masiero


Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 01:04 pm, Gene wrote:
Most of what you do is with Windows commands and program commands unless you are an advanced user. 

I'd go so far as to say this applies even when you are an advanced user of screen reader specific functionality.

Some of my students have gotten mildly perturbed when I've been pretty picky about making the distinction about what they're doing being a Windows keyboard shortcut versus a screen reader command.   After a while they get why I'm making this distinction, and insisting they understand it, because so many "in program" shortcuts under Windows are shared between wildly different programs because they're invoking the same functions, even if the details differ, and Windows shortcuts for the OS in general are in no way related to your screen reader.   If a screen reader stops talking, and you're good about knowing where you were and how to navigate around in silence, it's a lot easier to make sure that graceful exits of various programs can be made and no data loss occurs.
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

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Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

Gene
 

JAWS is more similar to NVDA in some keystrokes.  Window-eyes uses a lot of control shift commands because it implements its equivalent of the JAWS cursor very differently and doesn't have nearly as many insert letter commands.  .  But if you learn a small number of NvDA commands, control shift t is read title bar in Window-eyes and insert t in JAWS and NVDA, time is insert f12 in JAWS and NVDA, and insert t in Window-eyes, and you must learn commands such as read current line and other review commands in NVDA, while there will be other things to learn, you don't have to learn much to do a lot of what you did before using Window-eyes.  I've used JAWS, Window-eyes, NVDA and System Access to go.  People get hung up on the screen-reader being different.  Most of what you do is with Windows commands and program commands unless you are an advanced user.  You don't have to learn a lot to do most of what you would do as a typical user from one screen-reader to another.  there are times when you may have to learn more, such as if your screen-reader has different proprietary commands to read fields in an opened e-mail message, for example.  But I can use any Windows computer with a version of Windows I am familiar with, and, given any screen-reader, I can learn about ten basic commands and do most of what I ordinarily do. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2017 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:31 pm, Tony Ballou wrote:
The concept is almost 2 different animals.

 The above being written with regard to Window-Eyes and NVDA, and that perspective fascinates me since I have very limited experience with Window Eyes.

This is very different from my personal experience [proviso: as a sighted person who only tutors screen reader use rather than actually using a screen reader as my primary access to the computer] between JAWS and NVDA.  I know JAWS (or at least knew JAWS, I'm getting a bit rusty but it'll be like riding a bike) and when I wanted to learn NVDA the major annoyance was unlearning a few keystrokes that they don't share for the same functions.  By and large they're very similar animals in my opinion.

How do others who used or may still use both JAWS and NVDA feel about this observation?   You're much better able to speak to whether my perspective is utterly skewed or not.
--
Brian         Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Re: Window-Eyes Tutorials and Transition

 

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:47 pm, Gene wrote:
It is important for any instructional material to help with the transition to make such points as I made yesterday. 

With which I agree completely.

One of the mistakes that a lot of transitional training material makes is not trying to make the analogies needed to allow the gut level, "Oh, this thing here is just like that thing there," connections.

I have received some very flattering, and unexpected, private feedback on my brief tutorial on using the Ribbons under windows because I try to make the analogs between menu and ribbon very explicit.   I don't know why, exactly, this particular "fire" doesn't light on its own for some [and that's not a slap or criticism, just an observation] but if you just strike some metaphorical matches along the way suddenly it does.
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     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain