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Re: Introduce Sao Mai AccessTech Issue with contents translated intp English

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Congratulations! This is a great thing you're doing.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Dang Manh Cuong
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 1:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Introduce Sao Mai AccessTech Issue with contents translated intp English

 

To all listers

I'm Cuong, and I work in Sao Mai Vocational and assistive technology for the blind in Vietnam

I'd like to introduce the Sao Mai accessTech Magazine to all of you because we've released the first issue with contents translated into English. People who care about this, please visit at http://bit.ly/2qlFI6Y

For people who care about: this magazine was first release in about 2008, which publish contents about technology for the blind, in both software and hardware. You’ll find news, articles, tips and tricks related to technology for the blind user, such as tutorials about screen reader, computer maintenance, tip to work better with a program…etc.  Until now, most of contents are useful for Vietnamese blind people, but we’ll try to make it useful for international user in the future.

Hope this useful for you.

Cuong

---------------
 Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
 391 Lac Long Quan, ward 5, Dst 11, HCMC, Vietnam
 Tel: +84862573309
 E-mail: vanphong@...; congnghe@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org

 

 Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
 E-mail: dangmanhcuong@...; cuong@...
 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
 facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
 Twitter: @ManhCuongTech


Re: Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Chris
 

It sounds like you are not saving the settings before you exit nvda

If you open the nvda menu and select save configuration after you have set it to the code factory synth

That should solve the issue

 

 

From: Fantasy Sports
Sent: 15 May 2017 19:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

 

I don't get that message, I just hear the default voice that NVDA comes with originally

instead of the Vocalizer voice.

 

Then i activate and it works until the next random reboot.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris
Sent: May 15, 2017 9:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing


Hello

 

When you start the computer and nvda runs Do you get the message its not activated?

Or you just assuming its not activated for whatever reason?

 

And you have entered the key correctly with no more than three activationsper key

 

Then I suggest contact code factory regarding this issue to see if they can help

 

 

 


Re: Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

I don't get that message, I just hear the default voice that NVDA comes with originally
instead of the Vocalizer voice.

Then i activate and it works until the next random reboot.

-----Original Message-----
From: Chris
Sent: May 15, 2017 9:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Hello

 

When you start the computer and nvda runs Do you get the message its not activated?

Or you just assuming its not activated for whatever reason?

 

And you have entered the key correctly with no more than three activationsper key

 

Then I suggest contact code factory regarding this issue to see if they can help

 

 


Re: Accessibility issues

Robert A. Hansen <roberthansen1970@...>
 

I updated the Toshiba with Creators edition.  Everything is back to normal.  Why do they do this?  I had almost a week of inaccessible computing and thankfully I have two phones I am able to use.  I was at a loss.  I searched the settings and then clicked on updates and security.  I was hesitantabout upgrading to the Creators edition, but when You all advised me to do so, I jumped at the opportunity and did it.  Thank you for the advice.


Robert




On 5/15/2017 12:12 PM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I was just wondering how come its only at that issue when new versions supersede it. Not that I'm worried myself as my windowws 10 machine died and I need to run up som dosh to get another one... grin.
 In the mean time 7 will do and shock horror, xp on this old machine which now sports a new update for the latest malware thanks Microsoft.
 Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessibility issues

I would recommend that you upgrade your windows to the latest  build 1703 for best results with nvda

It has greatly improved since your build of 1607

 

Good luck

 

 

 

From: Robert A. Hansen
Sent: 15 May 2017 00:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessibility issues

 

Hello all,

 

 

I am Robert H.  I have been using NVDA since Fall of 2013.  I ran it on

Windows 7, Lenovo laptop, and Windows 8.1, Toshiba Satellite laptop.  I

have had good luck and positive experience with NVDA, including the

transition to Windows 10 on both of my laptops in 2015.  A few days ago

I received a Windows 10 Build 1607 on both of my laptops.  I have

noticed a big decline in the accessibility of NVDA with this windows

update.  The ever present "unknown" is all over the place.  This occurs

on both my laptops that I own. Each laptop has the same build of Windows

10 running on it.  I noticed this on the task bar at first.  Now I have

noticed it on the Mozila Firefox browser and Mozila Thunderbird email

program. I use Mozila firefox and thunderbird exclusively.  There are a

few other places I have heard the "unknon" word uttered.  Also, when I

backspace to erase or make corrections, I do not hear what I am

correcting.  Has anyone else out there experienced this decline in

accessibility?  Am I doing something wrong?

 

Also webpages do not read correctly or not at all.

 

 

 

Thank you for any help I can get.

 

 

 

 

--

Sincerely, Robert A. Hansen roberthansen1970@... WZRD Chicago 88.3

FM www.wzrdchicago.org

 

 

 



Using Kodi with nvda, and the speech addon.

Matt Turner
 

Hi, subject pretty much says it all.

I installed kodi, and the screen reader add on.

I'm getting no speech from it.

Anyone on this list use it, or happen to no of a list for other kodi users?


Re: Accessibility issues

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 


I was just wondering how come its only at that issue when new versions supersede it. Not that I'm worried myself as my windowws 10 machine died and I need to run up som dosh to get another one... grin.
 In the mean time 7 will do and shock horror, xp on this old machine which now sports a new update for the latest malware thanks Microsoft.
 Brian

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Please address personal email to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: Chris
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2017 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Accessibility issues

I would recommend that you upgrade your windows to the latest  build 1703 for best results with nvda

It has greatly improved since your build of 1607

 

Good luck

 

 

 

From: Robert A. Hansen
Sent: 15 May 2017 00:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessibility issues

 

Hello all,

 

 

I am Robert H.  I have been using NVDA since Fall of 2013.  I ran it on

Windows 7, Lenovo laptop, and Windows 8.1, Toshiba Satellite laptop.  I

have had good luck and positive experience with NVDA, including the

transition to Windows 10 on both of my laptops in 2015.  A few days ago

I received a Windows 10 Build 1607 on both of my laptops.  I have

noticed a big decline in the accessibility of NVDA with this windows

update.  The ever present "unknown" is all over the place.  This occurs

on both my laptops that I own. Each laptop has the same build of Windows

10 running on it.  I noticed this on the task bar at first.  Now I have

noticed it on the Mozila Firefox browser and Mozila Thunderbird email

program. I use Mozila firefox and thunderbird exclusively.  There are a

few other places I have heard the "unknon" word uttered.  Also, when I

backspace to erase or make corrections, I do not hear what I am

correcting.  Has anyone else out there experienced this decline in

accessibility?  Am I doing something wrong?

 

Also webpages do not read correctly or not at all.

 

 

 

Thank you for any help I can get.

 

 

 

 

--

Sincerely, Robert A. Hansen roberthansen1970@... WZRD Chicago 88.3

FM www.wzrdchicago.org

 

 

 


Re: For Win10 Users who'd like an easy way to automatically include their Win10 Version, Build, & Type Information

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 


Does this mean then that the email client in windows 10 does not allow a sig line to be added at source?
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 11:20 PM
Subject: [nvda] For Win10 Users who'd like an easy way to automatically include their Win10 Version, Build, & Type Information

I know that most participants do not use the web interface, but here is an instance where you might want to make a "one shot" visit to your own Subscription page:
 
 
for the group to include a signature when you post via e-mail.  There is a checkbox on the page that reads, "Use signature for email posting" that's immediately followed by an edit box for the signature itself.
 
As you can see in my own, I've now added my current Windows 10 version, build, and specific type information following my name.  The name, of course, is not necessary.
 
This is an easy edit each time any one of the above mentioned pieces of information is changed and it will be automatically added to the end of any message you send to the group via e-mail (or web, too, if you check that checkbox and use the web interface).
--
Brian         Version 1703, Build 15063.296, Home 64-bit

 

     Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime.

            ~ Mark Twain

 

 


Re: Accessibility issues

Robert A. Hansen <roberthansen1970@...>
 

I upgraded my Lenovo earlier this morning.  It works like it should now.  I am in the process of upgrading my Toshiba to the new Creator.  It will work like it should within an hour or so. 


Robert




On 5/15/2017 2:13 AM, Chris wrote:

I would recommend that you upgrade your windows to the latest  build 1703 for best results with nvda

It has greatly improved since your build of 1607

 

Good luck

 

 

 

From: Robert A. Hansen
Sent: 15 May 2017 00:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessibility issues

 

Hello all,

 

 

I am Robert H.  I have been using NVDA since Fall of 2013.  I ran it on

Windows 7, Lenovo laptop, and Windows 8.1, Toshiba Satellite laptop.  I

have had good luck and positive experience with NVDA, including the

transition to Windows 10 on both of my laptops in 2015.  A few days ago

I received a Windows 10 Build 1607 on both of my laptops.  I have

noticed a big decline in the accessibility of NVDA with this windows

update.  The ever present "unknown" is all over the place.  This occurs

on both my laptops that I own. Each laptop has the same build of Windows

10 running on it.  I noticed this on the task bar at first.  Now I have

noticed it on the Mozila Firefox browser and Mozila Thunderbird email

program. I use Mozila firefox and thunderbird exclusively.  There are a

few other places I have heard the "unknon" word uttered.  Also, when I

backspace to erase or make corrections, I do not hear what I am

correcting.  Has anyone else out there experienced this decline in

accessibility?  Am I doing something wrong?

 

Also webpages do not read correctly or not at all.

 

 

 

Thank you for any help I can get.

 

 

 

 

--

Sincerely, Robert A. Hansen roberthansen1970@... WZRD Chicago 88.3

FM www.wzrdchicago.org

 

 

 



Re: Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Chris
 

Hello

 

When you start the computer and nvda runs Do you get the message its not activated?

Or you just assuming its not activated for whatever reason?

 

And you have entered the key correctly with no more than three activationsper key

 

Then I suggest contact code factory regarding this issue to see if they can help

 

 


Re: FW: [Nvda-devel] FW: [nvda] eSpeak/eSpeakNG GPL3 but NVDA GPL2?

Marshall handheld Flax
 

Thank you!  To summarize the email trail:

1. The NVDA developers have well-thought-out reasons why they wish to remain GPL2 (which of course is their right).  They have some problems with GPL3, but are more worried that GPL4 (if/when it is created) could have entirely unacceptable provisions.  In addition, NV Access is not assigned copyright on contributions to NVDA, so it would be a nearly-impossible project to get every developer who ever added code to NVDA to grant permissions to change from GPL2 to "GPL2-or-later" (or even from GPL2 to "GPL2-or-3").

2. They had a specific additional license from the original eSpeak developer to include it within NVDA, so there was no problem using the pre-fork eSpeak.

3. The core NVDA team will reach out to the eSpeakNG developers to get a similar dispensation (building upon the original eSpeak dispensation), which would resolve everything.  (Note: I'm not sure whether that dispensation would allow specifically allow inclusion within "NVDA" or more generally within any GPL2-licensed system.)  

As always, thanks for NVDA...may it last 1000 years!

Marshall

p.s. For those who are wondering why this is an issue: the problem isn't that an eSpeakNG developer would complain about NVDA...the problem is that some risk-adverse corporation might one day have a policy blocking the use of inconsistently-licensed software (because of the theoretical risk) and that NVDA might therefore be blocked from such employee's desktops.  

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 8:40 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

To whoever asked about this, please read the below emails to their entirety.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: Travis Siegel [mailto:tsiegel@...]
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 4:57 PM
To: NVDA screen reader development <nvda-devel@....net>
Subject: Re: [Nvda-devel] FW: [nvda] eSpeak/eSpeakNG GPL3 but NVDA GPL2?

 

Ok, that makes sense. 

Not sure it's an actual problem waiting to happen, but folks do have the ability to surprise, so I guess it'll have to do.

On 5/14/2017 7:29 PM, James Teh wrote:

What you suggest might result in forks which are GPL 3, in which case we couldn't pull in any of the affected code. That means that the fork benefits from our code without us being able to do the same. Also, there's still the concern of what future versions of the GPL might bring. Sure, the hardware restriction isn't so bad in most cases, but what if GPL 4 brought something we were 100% opposed to in all cases? We would not want anyone to redistribute under those terms in that instance.

 

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 9:16 AM, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

hmm, so because moving to gpl3 as a whole would restrict people from locking down the program, you're opposed to it? Seems a bit odd for a program that is trying to be used as widely as possible.  I get the whole folks might want to be proprietary thing, that's why the (or at your option) could allow others to use gpl3 if so desired, without restricting NVDA itself.  Keeping nvda itself at GPL2, but allowing others to redistribute it under GPL3 wouldn't prevent commercial usage with drm content, as they could simply distribute under GPL2 terms.  I understand the argument, but the whole (at your option) doesn't mean folks have to use GPL3, it only means they can if so desired.

I don't see this as a problem, but perhaps there's things I'm not aware of as regards NVDA and it's various libraries/plugins.

 

On 5/14/2017 6:34 PM, James Teh wrote:

This is not at all pedantic; it's important that such things are clear and transparent.

1. NVDA is quite intentionally not GPL 3. The reason is that GPL 3 does not permit hardware to prevent installation of modified copies of the software. Our concern is that this might prevent NVDA from being used in some cases which might provide benefit to the project; e.g. television products. Note that Linux and other notable projects refused to switch to GPL 3 for similar reasons. See the Wikipedia article on Tivoization and this excerpt from a video interview with Linus Torvalds for more info.

2. Licensing to GPL 2 or later would thus allow NVDA to be used under terms we do not agree with. This might not be so bad for GPL 3 - the use cases where the hardware restrictions apply are pretty limited for us - but there are no guarantees that some future version of the GPL won't include something we disagree with further still.

3. Changing NVDA's license would require permission from all copyright holders. Given the large number of contributors and the fact that we do not require copyright assignment, this is extremely difficult to coordinate and it's likely that at least someone would not approve.

4. We requested and received permission from Jonathan Duddington to use eSpeak with NVDA, despite the GPL 3's incompatibility with GPL 2. This was fine for eSpeak given that he was the sole copyright holder. However, this does raise a concern for eSpeak NG which we did not hitherto consider. We will need to look into this.

Jamie

 

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

I have to strongly agree here.  GPL3 is a much cleaner license than GPL2, and much easier to understand for nonlawyer types.  It's basically the same thing as GPL2, only stated more susinctly, and it addresses the ability to link with other software more clearly, as well as relaxing teh terms upon which software can be linked and distributed.  I have to think this would be a good thing for NVDA, since it's entire purpose is to get is used by as many people as possible.  I've personally not had any issues with any of the gpl licenses, but I have read all kinds of complaints, stories, and general gripes (as well as a wealth of wrong information) about various gpl licensing terms.  I believe the GPL3 addresses most of these issues, and would make for cleaner implementation of licensing if it were adopted.  If changing to GPL3 isn't possible, then by all means, add the (or at your option, any later license) into the program, so it's not restricted to GPL2, and folks will then be allowed to use GPL3 if so desired. 

In my opinion, this can only help.

The views above are my own, and reflect no information gathered elsewhere.  I have not done a comparison of GPL2 vs GPL3, so I can't state for certain the differences, this comes from my (admittedly) rather rattled memory, since it's been several months since I've read the GPL2 through in full, (I make it a habbit to do so periodically, though I'm a bit late on this one), so perhaps some of my recollections are flawed, but based on memory, of the GPL2 license, I'm all for converting entirely to GPL3, (or adding the later phrase) to the license terms.  Anyone is of course welcome to their interpretations of such, and I'm not an expert on GPL licenses, so feel free to correct or rebuff where necessary.

 

On 5/14/2017 12:19 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Any comments on this? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Marshall handheld Flax
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 6:17 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] eSpeak/eSpeakNG GPL3 but NVDA GPL2?

 

Two questions:

1. Should https://www.nvaccess.org/about/nvda-features/ be changed from pointing to http://espeak.sourceforge.net/ to pointing to https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng?

2. Both the Sourceforge and "espeak-ng" versions of espeak are currently licensed "GPL3 (or later)".  But NVDA itself is licensed under "GPL2" -- at least according to https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/blob/master/copying.txt, which reads "NVDA is available under the GNU General Public License version 2, with two special exceptions." However, https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.en.html#GPLCompatibleLicenses reads in part: "Please note that GPLv3 is not compatible with GPLv2 by itself. However, most software released under GPLv2 allows you to use the terms of later versions of the GPL as well."  Would it be possible for NVDA to change their license.txt to be "NVDA is available under the GNU General Public license 2 (or later), with two special exceptions"?  

 

I know this sounds pedantic, but it might be good to reflect upon the history of the eSpeakNG project itself...there was of course difficulty in deciding to branch (after the original developer because unavailable), but there was never any question as to whether it was legally possible -- all since all of the original code was consistently GPL licensed.  It would be worthwhile to make NVDA as similarly ironclad.

 

Thank you so much!

 

Marshall



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Re: Introduce Sao Mai AccessTech Issue with contents translated intp English

Juliette
 

Congratulations Cuong!
Juliette

On 15 May 2017 at 09:44, Dang Manh Cuong <dangmanhcuong@...> wrote:

To all listers

I'm Cuong, and I work in Sao Mai Vocational and assistive technology for the blind in Vietnam

I'd like to introduce the Sao Mai accessTech Magazine to all of you because we've released the first issue with contents translated into English. People who care about this, please visit at http://bit.ly/2qlFI6Y

For people who care about: this magazine was first release in about 2008, which publish contents about technology for the blind, in both software and hardware. You’ll find news, articles, tips and tricks related to technology for the blind user, such as tutorials about screen reader, computer maintenance, tip to work better with a program…etc.  Until now, most of contents are useful for Vietnamese blind people, but we’ll try to make it useful for international user in the future.

Hope this useful for you.

Cuong

---------------
 Dang Manh Cuong
 The Assistive technology specialist
 Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
 391 Lac Long Quan, ward 5, Dst 11, HCMC, Vietnam
 Tel: +84862573309
 E-mail: vanphong@...; congnghe@...
 Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter
 Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
 
 Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
 E-mail: dangmanhcuong@...; cuong@...
 Skype name: dangmanhcuong
 facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
 Twitter: @ManhCuongTech




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Re: Introduce Sao Mai AccessTech Issue with contents translated intp English

 

Wow its good to have another magazine, though to be brootally honest, god knows I have to many email lists and stuff allready, never the less I will go and read and if I like what I see I will take it.

On 15/05/2017 8:44 p.m., Dang Manh Cuong wrote:
To all listers

I'm Cuong, and I work in Sao Mai Vocational and assistive technology for the blind in Vietnam

I'd like to introduce the Sao Mai accessTech Magazine to all of you because we've released the first issue with contents translated into English. People who care about this, please visit at http://bit.ly/2qlFI6Y

For people who care about: this magazine was first release in about 2008, which publish contents about technology for the blind, in both software and hardware. You'll find news, articles, tips and tricks related to technology for the blind user, such as tutorials about screen reader, computer maintenance, tip to work better with a program.etc. Until now, most of contents are useful for Vietnamese blind people, but we'll try to make it useful for international user in the future.

Hope this useful for you.

Cuong

---------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
391 Lac Long Quan, ward 5, Dst 11, HCMC, Vietnam
Tel: +84862573309
E-mail: vanphong@trungtamsaomai.org; congnghe@trungtamsaomai.org
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org

Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
E-mail: dangmanhcuong@gmail.com; cuong@trungtamsaomai.org
Skype name: dangmanhcuong
facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
Twitter: @ManhCuongTech


Re: Introduce Sao Mai AccessTech Issue with contents translated intp English

Mallard
 

Hello Cuong,


How wonderful! Thanks!


It's so good to be able to know what's happening in other countries in terms of access to adaptive technologies for the blind and visually impaired.


This is much appreciated.


Ciao,

Ollie

Il 15/05/2017 10:44, Dang Manh Cuong ha scritto:

To all listers

I'm Cuong, and I work in Sao Mai Vocational and assistive technology for the blind in Vietnam

I'd like to introduce the Sao Mai accessTech Magazine to all of you because we've released the first issue with contents translated into English. People who care about this, please visit at http://bit.ly/2qlFI6Y

For people who care about: this magazine was first release in about 2008, which publish contents about technology for the blind, in both software and hardware. You’ll find news, articles, tips and tricks related to technology for the blind user, such as tutorials about screen reader, computer maintenance, tip to work better with a program…etc. Until now, most of contents are useful for Vietnamese blind people, but we’ll try to make it useful for international user in the future.

Hope this useful for you.

Cuong

---------------
Dang Manh Cuong
The Assistive technology specialist
Sao Mai Vocational and assistive center for the blind
391 Lac Long Quan, ward 5, Dst 11, HCMC, Vietnam
Tel: +84862573309
E-mail: vanphong@trungtamsaomai.org <mailto:vanphong@trungtamsaomai.org>; congnghe@trungtamsaomai.org <mailto:congnghe@trungtamsaomai.org>
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/SaoMaiCenter
Website: http://www.trungtamsaomai.org; http://www.saomaicenter.org
Mobile / Zalo: +84 902-572-300
E-mail: dangmanhcuong@gmail.com <mailto:dangmanhcuong@gmail.com>; cuong@trungtamsaomai.org <mailto:cuong@trungtamsaomai.org>
Skype name: dangmanhcuong
facebook: http://facebook.com/dangmanhcuong
Twitter: @ManhCuongTech


Introduce Sao Mai AccessTech Issue with contents translated intp English

 

To all listers

I'm Cuong, and I work in Sao Mai Vocational and assistive technology for the blind in Vietnam

I'd like to introduce the Sao Mai accessTech Magazine to all of you because we've released the first issue with contents translated into English. People who care about this, please visit at http://bit.ly/2qlFI6Y

For people who care about: this magazine was first release in about 2008, which publish contents about technology for the blind, in both software and hardware. You’ll find news, articles, tips and tricks related to technology for the blind user, such as tutorials about screen reader, computer maintenance, tip to work better with a program…etc.  Until now, most of contents are useful for Vietnamese blind people, but we’ll try to make it useful for international user in the future.

Hope this useful for you.

Cuong

---------------
 Dang Manh Cuong
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Re: Accessibility issues

Chris
 

I would recommend that you upgrade your windows to the latest  build 1703 for best results with nvda

It has greatly improved since your build of 1607

 

Good luck

 

 

 

From: Robert A. Hansen
Sent: 15 May 2017 00:05
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Accessibility issues

 

Hello all,

 

 

I am Robert H.  I have been using NVDA since Fall of 2013.  I ran it on

Windows 7, Lenovo laptop, and Windows 8.1, Toshiba Satellite laptop.  I

have had good luck and positive experience with NVDA, including the

transition to Windows 10 on both of my laptops in 2015.  A few days ago

I received a Windows 10 Build 1607 on both of my laptops.  I have

noticed a big decline in the accessibility of NVDA with this windows

update.  The ever present "unknown" is all over the place.  This occurs

on both my laptops that I own. Each laptop has the same build of Windows

10 running on it.  I noticed this on the task bar at first.  Now I have

noticed it on the Mozila Firefox browser and Mozila Thunderbird email

program. I use Mozila firefox and thunderbird exclusively.  There are a

few other places I have heard the "unknon" word uttered.  Also, when I

backspace to erase or make corrections, I do not hear what I am

correcting.  Has anyone else out there experienced this decline in

accessibility?  Am I doing something wrong?

 

Also webpages do not read correctly or not at all.

 

 

 

Thank you for any help I can get.

 

 

 

 

--

Sincerely, Robert A. Hansen roberthansen1970@... WZRD Chicago 88.3

FM www.wzrdchicago.org

 

 

 


答复: [nvda] Tutorials Wanted

manchen0528@...
 

              I'll see if I have them

 

发送自 Windows 10 邮件应用

 

发件人: Ron Canazzi
发送时间: 2017515 1:56
收件人: nvda@nvda.groups.io
主题: [nvda] Tutorials Wanted

 

Hi Group,

 

 

I am posting this in separate messages to 3 lists.  Someone sent me a

link or links to two tutorials.  I had a hard drive crash and while I

backed up almost everything else, for some reason, I didn't back those

tutorials up.

 

 

One tutorial was an extensive instruction on how to use the ribbons in

Windows 7, 8 and 10.  The other was a detailed instruction on using

Microsoft Outlook.

 

 

If anyone has these tutorials, could you please resend them to me at the

following e-mail address:

 

 

aa2vm@....

 

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

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Re: Accessibility issues

Jacob Kruger
 

Probably a silly question, but, presume you have the windows 10 app essentials add-on installed under NVDA?


Besides that I am currently running the NVDA next snapshot since I allowed windows 10 to update to the creators update version, so am not 100% sure how well NVDA 2017.1 would handle it, but, am not coming across anything like you're mentioning, and, this is on my lenovo w52 laptop, running windows 10 creators update 64 bit.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2017-05-14 23:49, Robert A. Hansen wrote:
Hello all,


I am Robert H. I have been using NVDA since Fall of 2013. I ran it on Windows 7, Lenovo laptop, and Windows 8.1, Toshiba Satellite laptop. I have had good luck and positive experience with NVDA, including the transition to Windows 10 on both of my laptops in 2015. A few days ago I received a Windows 10 Build 1607 on both of my laptops. I have noticed a big decline in the accessibility of NVDA with this windows update. The ever present "unknown" is all over the place. This occurs on both my laptops that I own. Each laptop has the same build of Windows 10 running on it. I noticed this on the task bar at first. Now I have noticed it on the Mozila Firefox browser and Mozila Thunderbird email program. I use Mozila firefox and thunderbird exclusively. There are a few other places I have heard the "unknon" word uttered. Also, when I backspace to erase or make corrections, I do not hear what I am correcting. Has anyone else out there experienced this decline in accessibility? Am I doing something wrong?

Also webpages do not read correctly or not at all.



Thank you for any help I can get.




Re: Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

Yes, I can't really make sense of this issue.   :)

Thank you for trying, not sure what to do.

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 14, 2017 9:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I don't think an Internet connection problem would cause problems once it is activated.  I doubt very much that it keeps checking.  You said it happens after you reboot.  I think it would happen if you unloaded NVDA when it is running, and then ran it again.  I don't think rebooting has any significance.  But when you reboot. NVDA stops running and then starts again.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

The deactivation only happens after a reboot.  It seems to happen at random, but always after
a reboot.  I run NVDA and the default robotic sounding voice plays instead of the Vocalizer voice.

Once I reactivate the add-on, NVDA will work with the Vocalizer the entire time the computer is on.

So I'm wondering if it checks everytime I reboot, and then deactivates if some internet connection
problem occurs.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 14, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I don't recall who said that it only checks in once a month.  but what is your experience?  When does deactivation occur, when you boot or when the speech is already running or when you unload NVDA and then run it again?  I won't say that uninstalling an reinstalling won't help, but I doubt it.  First, consider questions such as I asked.  it isn't just booting, it's unloading and running the program again.  The add on doesn't care when you boot.  It only cares when NVDA isn't running and then is started with the speech or when you switch to that speech if you initially ran NVDA with other speech and then switched.  Whenever it activates, once a month or sooner, it activates when it is run in whatever way it is run.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

The demo lasts a bit over a week.

Well if it only needs to check in once a month, then rebooting wouldn't have any
effect on the activation, right?  

The reason for the deactivations isn't really clear.    Maybe reinstalling NVDA
would help?





-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 14, 2017 3:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

If you use sleep or hibernate instead of shutting down the computer, the program won't have to authorize itself after the first verification.  You should reboot after a certain number of days to avoid instability.  Experimentation may help you decide how often.  You may be able to get away with not rebooting for a week, perhaps more, ore you may have to reboot more often such as every three or four days.  That will greatly reduce the number of authorizations.
 
Also, how are you still using the demo?  I haven't seen a demo of products like this that runs for mor than a week or two.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Hi!
Requiring Internet connectivity every time the software starts is just horribly bad design. What then about laptops used in travel, where Inet is a luxury?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...> schrieb am So., 14. Mai 2017 um 07:37 Uhr:
I've been using it for a few weeks, but I think the problem may be my slow connection.

Since I often lose connection when downloading, I think maybe it is failing to activate
itself during times when my connection is slow or bad.

I will probably just have to live with having to activate this product constantly.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 12, 2017 7:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I don't know if anyone can answer the question.  there are all sorts of add ons and there isn't any one prescribed behavior.  If you are using Eloquence, I don't think the SAPI 5 Eloquence software activates itselfmore than once as a demo and, I would think, once when you register it if purchased. 
 
But doesn't the add on stop working after a week or two?  How long have you been using it? 
 
Gene.  I think you get an unlock code for it and I don't
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Does that apply to other add-ons as well, such as the other voice software
add-ons released by other companies?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 12, 2017 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I would think that every time you start NVDA after it isn't running, that the add on has to authorize itself.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I am using the add-on which I downloaded here:

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 12, 2017 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Are you trying the add on or the SAPI 5 version, that is not an add on. 
 
I want to be sure because both are available for Eloquence.  The add on I am familiar with has Eloquence and another synthesizer.  the SAPI 5 Eloquence has only Eloquence.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 1:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Unfortunately, the Code Factory Vocalizer and Eloquence pack
that I downloaded is spontaneously de-activating itself.

This is happening both with my portable and installed versions
of NVDA.

I often have to manually re-activate the add-on everytime I
open NVDA.

Does anyone have a possible fix for this?

Thank you for the help.



Re: Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Gene
 

I don't think an Internet connection problem would cause problems once it is activated.  I doubt very much that it keeps checking.  You said it happens after you reboot.  I think it would happen if you unloaded NVDA when it is running, and then ran it again.  I don't think rebooting has any significance.  But when you reboot. NVDA stops running and then starts again.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

The deactivation only happens after a reboot.  It seems to happen at random, but always after
a reboot.  I run NVDA and the default robotic sounding voice plays instead of the Vocalizer voice.

Once I reactivate the add-on, NVDA will work with the Vocalizer the entire time the computer is on.

So I'm wondering if it checks everytime I reboot, and then deactivates if some internet connection
problem occurs.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 14, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I don't recall who said that it only checks in once a month.  but what is your experience?  When does deactivation occur, when you boot or when the speech is already running or when you unload NVDA and then run it again?  I won't say that uninstalling an reinstalling won't help, but I doubt it.  First, consider questions such as I asked.  it isn't just booting, it's unloading and running the program again.  The add on doesn't care when you boot.  It only cares when NVDA isn't running and then is started with the speech or when you switch to that speech if you initially ran NVDA with other speech and then switched.  Whenever it activates, once a month or sooner, it activates when it is run in whatever way it is run.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

The demo lasts a bit over a week.

Well if it only needs to check in once a month, then rebooting wouldn't have any
effect on the activation, right?  

The reason for the deactivations isn't really clear.    Maybe reinstalling NVDA
would help?





-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 14, 2017 3:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

If you use sleep or hibernate instead of shutting down the computer, the program won't have to authorize itself after the first verification.  You should reboot after a certain number of days to avoid instability.  Experimentation may help you decide how often.  You may be able to get away with not rebooting for a week, perhaps more, ore you may have to reboot more often such as every three or four days.  That will greatly reduce the number of authorizations.
 
Also, how are you still using the demo?  I haven't seen a demo of products like this that runs for mor than a week or two.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Hi!
Requiring Internet connectivity every time the software starts is just horribly bad design. What then about laptops used in travel, where Inet is a luxury?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...> schrieb am So., 14. Mai 2017 um 07:37 Uhr:
I've been using it for a few weeks, but I think the problem may be my slow connection.

Since I often lose connection when downloading, I think maybe it is failing to activate
itself during times when my connection is slow or bad.

I will probably just have to live with having to activate this product constantly.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 12, 2017 7:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I don't know if anyone can answer the question.  there are all sorts of add ons and there isn't any one prescribed behavior.  If you are using Eloquence, I don't think the SAPI 5 Eloquence software activates itselfmore than once as a demo and, I would think, once when you register it if purchased. 
 
But doesn't the add on stop working after a week or two?  How long have you been using it? 
 
Gene.  I think you get an unlock code for it and I don't
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Does that apply to other add-ons as well, such as the other voice software
add-ons released by other companies?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 12, 2017 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I would think that every time you start NVDA after it isn't running, that the add on has to authorize itself.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I am using the add-on which I downloaded here:

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 12, 2017 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Are you trying the add on or the SAPI 5 version, that is not an add on. 
 
I want to be sure because both are available for Eloquence.  The add on I am familiar with has Eloquence and another synthesizer.  the SAPI 5 Eloquence has only Eloquence.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 1:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Unfortunately, the Code Factory Vocalizer and Eloquence pack
that I downloaded is spontaneously de-activating itself.

This is happening both with my portable and installed versions
of NVDA.

I often have to manually re-activate the add-on everytime I
open NVDA.

Does anyone have a possible fix for this?

Thank you for the help.



Re: Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...>
 

The deactivation only happens after a reboot.  It seems to happen at random, but always after
a reboot.  I run NVDA and the default robotic sounding voice plays instead of the Vocalizer voice.

Once I reactivate the add-on, NVDA will work with the Vocalizer the entire time the computer is on.

So I'm wondering if it checks everytime I reboot, and then deactivates if some internet connection
problem occurs.  


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 14, 2017 6:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I don't recall who said that it only checks in once a month.  but what is your experience?  When does deactivation occur, when you boot or when the speech is already running or when you unload NVDA and then run it again?  I won't say that uninstalling an reinstalling won't help, but I doubt it.  First, consider questions such as I asked.  it isn't just booting, it's unloading and running the program again.  The add on doesn't care when you boot.  It only cares when NVDA isn't running and then is started with the speech or when you switch to that speech if you initially ran NVDA with other speech and then switched.  Whenever it activates, once a month or sooner, it activates when it is run in whatever way it is run.
 
Gene
----- Original message -----
Gene
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 6:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

The demo lasts a bit over a week.

Well if it only needs to check in once a month, then rebooting wouldn't have any
effect on the activation, right?  

The reason for the deactivations isn't really clear.    Maybe reinstalling NVDA
would help?





-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 14, 2017 3:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

If you use sleep or hibernate instead of shutting down the computer, the program won't have to authorize itself after the first verification.  You should reboot after a certain number of days to avoid instability.  Experimentation may help you decide how often.  You may be able to get away with not rebooting for a week, perhaps more, ore you may have to reboot more often such as every three or four days.  That will greatly reduce the number of authorizations.
 
Also, how are you still using the demo?  I haven't seen a demo of products like this that runs for mor than a week or two.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Felix G.
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2017 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Hi!
Requiring Internet connectivity every time the software starts is just horribly bad design. What then about laptops used in travel, where Inet is a luxury?
Kind regards,
Felix Grützmacher

Fantasy Sports <fantasylife@...> schrieb am So., 14. Mai 2017 um 07:37 Uhr:
I've been using it for a few weeks, but I think the problem may be my slow connection.

Since I often lose connection when downloading, I think maybe it is failing to activate
itself during times when my connection is slow or bad.

I will probably just have to live with having to activate this product constantly.


-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 12, 2017 7:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I don't know if anyone can answer the question.  there are all sorts of add ons and there isn't any one prescribed behavior.  If you are using Eloquence, I don't think the SAPI 5 Eloquence software activates itselfmore than once as a demo and, I would think, once when you register it if purchased. 
 
But doesn't the add on stop working after a week or two?  How long have you been using it? 
 
Gene.  I think you get an unlock code for it and I don't
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Does that apply to other add-ons as well, such as the other voice software
add-ons released by other companies?
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 12, 2017 3:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I would think that every time you start NVDA after it isn't running, that the add on has to authorize itself.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

I am using the add-on which I downloaded here:

-----Original Message-----
From: Gene
Sent: May 12, 2017 2:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Are you trying the add on or the SAPI 5 version, that is not an add on. 
 
I want to be sure because both are available for Eloquence.  The add on I am familiar with has Eloquence and another synthesizer.  the SAPI 5 Eloquence has only Eloquence.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, May 12, 2017 1:16 PM
Subject: [nvda] Code Factory Vocalizer Disappearing

Unfortunately, the Code Factory Vocalizer and Eloquence pack
that I downloaded is spontaneously de-activating itself.

This is happening both with my portable and installed versions
of NVDA.

I often have to manually re-activate the add-on everytime I
open NVDA.

Does anyone have a possible fix for this?

Thank you for the help.