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speechPlayerInEspeak add-on

Laughing Thunder
 

Hi,


Out of curiosity, are there any plans to update the speechPlayerInEspeak add-on to use the new eSpeak NG synthesizer? Or, are there plans to implement the NV Access version of the Klatt synthesizer into eSpeak NG itself?


Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

Gene
 

I don't know how well Chrome Vox works as a screen-reader.  Nor how good the design is.  But if I were going to use the Internet at all seriously, I would seriously consider not getting a Chrome Book.  I am assuming that Chromevox when used on the Internet uses the same interface as the ChromeVox add on for Chrome does.  It is completely nonstandard as far as working like Windows screen-readers do on the Internet and doesn't have quick navigation keys that allow movement in the same ways.  You can move to the next element but I consider the design to be markedly inferior to what is standard in Windows screen-readers now. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebooks and accessibility?

Well no chrome vox runs for chrome books but I don't know someone that
uses one.
To be honest if you want a lower end pc and don't want windows an amazon
fire with custom android may be better.



On 20/10/2016 4:13 a.m., Travis Siegel wrote:
> chrome books run (you guessed it, chrome os) Chrome os is not windows,
> chrome os is not windows, (this bears repeating) chrome os is not
> windows.  None of your windows programs are going to run on a chrome
> book.  Chrome os is a linux derivitive, and it runs linux apps
> specifically written for chrome os.  Sure, you can wipe it, and install
> a full version of linux if you like, and in that case, all your standard
> linux apps will work just fine, but out of the box, no, there's nothing
> you can run on a chrome book to get it to talk and be usable for the
> visually impaired.  The only thing you can do is (as mentioned above)
> install a full linux release, which would then give you the capability
> of running orca, speakup, or some combination thereof.  I suppose if
> it's got enough muscle, you might be able to get a version of windows
> installed, but generally speaking, chrome books are lower end machines,
> that wouldn't handle windows on a good day, though linux will work just
> fine.  I've seen some converted chrome books running linux, and they do
> it quite well, even with the minimal resources.  I have not, however,
> tried running orca/speakup on any of these converted boxes, as they
> weren't mine, and I had no call to experiment.  I was seriously
> considering purchasing one though, to see if I could get talkback to
> work on it, though I've not made the attempt just yet.  Perhaps next
> year I'll be able to carry out this experiment, and if I do, rest
> assured, I'll certainly let everyone on this list (and others) know my
> results.
>
>
>
> On 10/19/2016 10:59 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:
>> Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but
>> got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new
>> chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks
>> namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is
>> the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the
>> cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems
>> like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or
>> any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally
>> accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this
>> list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a
>> laptop this could be a good option for me.
>>
>
>
>
>



Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

 

Well no chrome vox runs for chrome books but I don't know someone that uses one.
To be honest if you want a lower end pc and don't want windows an amazon fire with custom android may be better.

On 20/10/2016 4:13 a.m., Travis Siegel wrote:
chrome books run (you guessed it, chrome os) Chrome os is not windows,
chrome os is not windows, (this bears repeating) chrome os is not
windows. None of your windows programs are going to run on a chrome
book. Chrome os is a linux derivitive, and it runs linux apps
specifically written for chrome os. Sure, you can wipe it, and install
a full version of linux if you like, and in that case, all your standard
linux apps will work just fine, but out of the box, no, there's nothing
you can run on a chrome book to get it to talk and be usable for the
visually impaired. The only thing you can do is (as mentioned above)
install a full linux release, which would then give you the capability
of running orca, speakup, or some combination thereof. I suppose if
it's got enough muscle, you might be able to get a version of windows
installed, but generally speaking, chrome books are lower end machines,
that wouldn't handle windows on a good day, though linux will work just
fine. I've seen some converted chrome books running linux, and they do
it quite well, even with the minimal resources. I have not, however,
tried running orca/speakup on any of these converted boxes, as they
weren't mine, and I had no call to experiment. I was seriously
considering purchasing one though, to see if I could get talkback to
work on it, though I've not made the attempt just yet. Perhaps next
year I'll be able to carry out this experiment, and if I do, rest
assured, I'll certainly let everyone on this list (and others) know my
results.



On 10/19/2016 10:59 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:
Hi list, ken here with a question. posted this on the tech zone but
got no reply. saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new
chromebook being released. I know some things about chromebooks
namely that they are a bare bones computer. all they have on them is
the browser and the media player. the operating system is in the
cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199. that seems
like a good option for those on a budget. the question is can NVDA or
any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally
accessibile for blind/visually impaired? not sure if anyone on this
list knows the answer to that. it seems like for someone without a
laptop this could be a good option for me.



Re: NVDA and Fractions

 

The synth doesn't know squat.
A synth is only as good as its dictionary, and symbol data thats why you can edit it.
Be happy you can do at least that.
Back in the days when I used an old keynote gold, while I could modify a dictionary for things there was only 1, you could not customise for different situations, etc.
The dictionary was part of the software, you lost it you would have to put it in again and again.
If you wanted another language it was something like 2000 dollars, because as I was told the language was programmed in the chip rom.
Be happy we can have as many data files as we need.

On 20/10/2016 4:06 a.m., Travis Siegel wrote:
heh, this whole the synthesizer knows better than you do has been an
ongoing argument for me with apple since around 2005. I still insist,
and insist most heartily that it's the screen reader's job to read the
screen, and it's the user's job to interpret what the read information
means. But, yet, synthesizer makers insist on putting anchronyms in the
text to speech so it pronounces things, even if they're not actually
there on the screen. I can't tell you how many hours of coding time
I've lost trying to figure why my source code was saying something, only
to find out later that what my synth was reading wasn't in the code at
all, but just some damned text expansion the synth maker put into the
text to speech output to make it more convinient for the user. Well,
let me tell you, it's not more convinient for me to hear the word volume
when the letters on the screen are v o l. And, it's certainly not
useful to hear something pronounced as saint ego soars when the word is
stegosaurus. You know, sometimes the letters s and t together don't
mean street or saint, and sometimes, an I and a V together don't
necessarily mean roman numeral four. Ok, I get it, they're trying to
make them more user friendly, but in my opinion, there's nothing more
friendly than a screen reader that reads the screen and leaves the
meaning of what it reads up to me to decide.



On 10/19/2016 10:51 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi:

I have found this to be a problem with several synthesizers such as
Microsoft Anna and others. For example, it is verry annoying to here
"ca" always being pronounced as "California" when I want it to be
pronounced as Canada. There are a number of others which I cannot
remember ofhand, but it seems that a number of speech synthesizers
have abrivations hardcoded into them and the only way to eliminate the
problem is to use another synthesizer. E-speak is a good alternative
if you can get used to its speech.
Kevin Huber



Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

slery <slerythema@...>
 

Doesn’t ChromeVox work on these?

 

Cindy

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 11:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] chromebooks and accessibility?

 

chrome books run (you guessed it, chrome os) Chrome os is not windows, chrome os is not windows, (this bears repeating) chrome os is not windows.  None of your windows programs are going to run on a chrome book.  Chrome os is a linux derivitive, and it runs linux apps specifically written for chrome os.  Sure, you can wipe it, and install a full version of linux if you like, and in that case, all your standard linux apps will work just fine, but out of the box, no, there's nothing you can run on a chrome book to get it to talk and be usable for the visually impaired.  The only thing you can do is (as mentioned above) install a full linux release, which would then give you the capability of running orca, speakup, or some combination thereof.  I suppose if it's got enough muscle, you might be able to get a version of windows installed, but generally speaking, chrome books are lower end machines, that wouldn't handle windows on a good day, though linux will work just fine.  I've seen some converted chrome books running linux, and they do it quite well, even with the minimal resources.  I have not, however, tried running orca/speakup on any of these converted boxes, as they weren't mine, and I had no call to experiment.  I was seriously considering purchasing one though, to see if I could get talkback to work on it, though I've not made the attempt just yet.  Perhaps next year I'll be able to carry out this experiment, and if I do, rest assured, I'll certainly let everyone on this list (and others) know my results.

 

 

On 10/19/2016 10:59 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:

Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me. 




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Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Well, it looks like they've done some work since the last time I checked on chromevox.  Last time I looked into chromevox, it was simply a browser extension, not a general screen reader, that's why I said you couldn't use a chrome book w/o installing something else.  I wasn't aware they'd expanded chrome vox to actually work as a stand-alone screen reader without the browser.  Good to know.



On 10/19/2016 3:04 PM, MistyDBradley@... wrote:
Hi,
Chrome books have their own built in screen reader called chrome vox. They run on the chrome operating system which is Google's operating system for chrome books, so as far as I know, NVDA or jaws or window eyes will not work with it. I am not too familiar with the chromeVox screen reader but have been researching it myself as I just ordered a new chrome book as an alternative to a laptop. The laptop I have is very heavy and cumbersome to take back and forth to school, and I wanted something light to use at school for notetaking and accessing my files on the cloud. From what I have learned doing my own research, there are lots of apps you can download that will make the chrome book just as functional as a laptop. There is a website you can go to to learn all about chromeVox, and it is www.chromevox.com.

Misty Bradley 
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On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:59 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io <kenlawrence124@...> wrote:

Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me. 




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Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

MistyDBradley@gmail.com <mistydbradley@...>
 

Hi,
Chrome books have their own built in screen reader called chrome vox. They run on the chrome operating system which is Google's operating system for chrome books, so as far as I know, NVDA or jaws or window eyes will not work with it. I am not too familiar with the chromeVox screen reader but have been researching it myself as I just ordered a new chrome book as an alternative to a laptop. The laptop I have is very heavy and cumbersome to take back and forth to school, and I wanted something light to use at school for notetaking and accessing my files on the cloud. From what I have learned doing my own research, there are lots of apps you can download that will make the chrome book just as functional as a laptop. There is a website you can go to to learn all about chromeVox, and it is www.chromevox.com.

Misty Bradley 
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On Oct 19, 2016, at 10:59 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io <kenlawrence124@...> wrote:

Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me. 


Re: NVDA And AVGVirus Scan

Gene
 

Also, antimalware programs have ways to turn off their shields while doing something like installing something if the shields are causing a problem.  I don't know the procedure for your specific antivirus program.  Perhaps someone else on list does.  I wouldn't be surprised if this can be done from the system trayy. 
 
If you do a google search for disable shields avg, you will find results.  Here is one that may be useful.  I haven't read it.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA And AVGVirus Scan

I am using two computers.  On one the OS is Windows 7.  NVDA  2016.3 works fine although I using AVG As the anti-virus scanner.  On my other computer, my OS Is Windows 10.  On it I am still using NVDA 2013.  When I try to upgrade NVDA to 2016.3, AVG Blocks it.  Can you help me solve this problem?      

Anthony Bernard


Re: NVDA and Fractions

Gene
 

Except that these synthesizers aren't developed for blind people.  It may be that screen-readers should have some sort of way of displaying information to the synthesizer that will not cause it to read it as a contraction.  But the underlying problem is the synthesizers, which are designed for sighted users.
 
Gene

------ Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and Fractions

heh, this whole the synthesizer knows better than you do has been an
ongoing argument for me with apple since around 2005.  I still insist,
and insist most heartily that it's the screen reader's job to read the
screen, and it's the user's job to interpret what the read information
means.  But, yet, synthesizer makers insist on putting anchronyms in the
text to speech so it pronounces things, even if they're not actually
there on the screen.  I can't tell you how many hours of coding time
I've lost trying to figure why my source code was saying something, only
to find out later that what my synth was reading wasn't in the code at
all, but just some damned text expansion the synth maker put into the
text to speech output to make it more convinient for the user.  Well,
let me tell you, it's not more convinient for me to hear the word volume
when the letters on the screen are v o l.  And, it's certainly not
useful to hear something pronounced as saint ego soars when the word is
stegosaurus.  You know, sometimes the letters s and t together don't
mean street or saint, and sometimes, an I and a V together don't
necessarily mean roman numeral four.  Ok, I get it, they're trying to
make them more user friendly, but in my opinion, there's nothing more
friendly than a screen reader that reads the screen and leaves the
meaning of what it reads up to me to decide.



On 10/19/2016 10:51 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I have found this to be a problem with several synthesizers such as
> Microsoft Anna and others.  For example, it is verry annoying to here
> "ca" always being pronounced as "California" when I want it to be
> pronounced as Canada.  There are a number of others which I cannot
> remember ofhand, but it seems that a number of speech synthesizers
> have abrivations hardcoded into them and the only way to eliminate the
> problem is to use another synthesizer.  E-speak is a good alternative
> if you can get used to its speech.
> Kevin Huber
>






Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

Gene
 

Why not get a truly capable laptop from the organization in Texas that sells computers that have been refurbished.  I don't recall the name of the organization now.  It is cheaper to get a Windows laptop from them than the price you gave in your message.  You won't have to be constantly online as you evidently do with a Chromebook and you won't have to learn how to use whatever serves as a screen-reader, I believe it's Chromevox.  You can still use what you are already using.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:59 AM
Subject: [nvda] chromebooks and accessibility?

Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me. 


Re: Scrolling in Adobe Reader

Gene
 

I doubt that if this works, that it matters if you switch to focus mode from browse mode.  You can experiment and see but I have not heard of such commands as page down being affected by the mode being used. 

Gene
----- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Scrolling in Adobe Reader

Hi:

What if you go into Focus Mode and press control-page down.

Kevin Huber
On 10/18/16, kelby carlson <kelbycarlson@...> wrote:
> While using NVDA to read a large PDF file, I don't want to open all of
> the pages at once. However in reading one page at a time, NVDA doesn't
> scroll down when I get to the bottom of that page; instead it just
> wraps around to the top of the page again. Is there a way to stop
> this?
>
>
>
>



Re: can't find team viewer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I found it after playing with settings last night.

On 10/19/2016 12:56 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Maybe its under a different name. One assumes the shortcut has for some reason been deleted or renamed.
Of course if it was installed by a different account and not made available to all accounts it would not appar to be there at all.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't find team viewer


Hi, everyone,


I know for a fact that team view is on this computer but I can't find it. I typed it in the start search box and it didn't work. Couldn't find it except in the programs and features. I don't know whaqt to do! This computer is brand-new and I'm having problems with it.


Rosemarie







Re: can't find team viewer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I did manage to find it after playing with the settings last night.

On 10/19/2016 1:02 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
you can dont install it and run it only you need it!
i installed it before, uninstall it and i run it whenever i need it.
or maybe you installed it in a different drive of your hard.
go to all program and certainly you should find it there!

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Maybe its under a different name. One assumes the shortcut has for some
reason been deleted or renamed.
Of course if it was installed by a different account and not made available

to all accounts it would not appar to be there at all.

Brian

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Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 6:24 AM
Subject: [nvda] can't find team viewer


Hi, everyone,


I know for a fact that team view is on this computer but I can't find it.

I typed it in the start search box and it didn't work. Couldn't find it
except in the programs and features. I don't know whaqt to do! This
computer is brand-new and I'm having problems with it.


Rosemarie








Re: NVDA And AVGVirus Scan

Chris Mullins
 

How are you doing the update, via the ‘Check for updates’ item in the NVDA help menu or running from the downloaded software installer?  Also ensure your AVG virus definitions are up-to-date.

 

I find it better to use the downloaded software installer and AVG should give you the option of allowing the file it identifies as viral, although the AVG dialogs are not particularly easy to navigate.

 

Cheers

Chris

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Sent: 19 October 2016 16:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA And AVGVirus Scan
Importance: High

 

I am using two computers.  On one the OS is Windows 7.  NVDA  2016.3 works fine although I using AVG As the anti-virus scanner.  On my other computer, my OS Is Windows 10.  On it I am still using NVDA 2013.  When I try to upgrade NVDA to 2016.3, AVG Blocks it.  Can you help me solve this problem?      

Anthony Bernard


Re: facebook question

Gary Metzler <gmtravel@...>
 

Thanks for getting back to me.  This was very helpful.  Thns,
 

From: Jeffrey Shockley
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2016 10:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] facebook question
 

Hello,

There's really nothing that can be done as far as NVDA goes.

However, what I would suggest is to either use the regular Facebook site which is a lot more accessible now, or contact the Facebook Accessibility team and file a bug so that they can fix it.

I hope this helps,
Jeffrey


On 10/19/2016 9:33 AM, Gary Metzler wrote:
Hi All,
 
I am using the latest win 10 and nvda.  When I am on the mobil facebook web site nvda says a lot of numbers and letters when it gets to list of people I know.  Is there any way I can limit this behavior or, is this normal for nvda?  Thanks for any help.Regards, Gary kn4ox


Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

This information, unfortunately, is not accurate. Chrome OS is a derivitive of Linux, however it is *very* accessible. Chrome OS has a screen reader called Chromevox. Chromevox has recently been rewritten to be much more user-friendly. With the use of Google Docs, sheets, slides, checking e-mail, playing music, watching movies and reading books, Chrome OS does a wonderful job. For most people, it works quite well... and as you saw, there are low-cost options. The low-cost options increase a bit of latency, but run just fine. I have a cheap one and a Google Pixel, which is quite expensive, and I like them both.

If you have additional questions about Chrome OS, please find the Google group called chromevox-discuss. This list is for the discussion of NVDA, and NVDA does not run on a Chromeboox.

Thanks.

On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:14 AM Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

chrome books run (you guessed it, chrome os) Chrome os is not windows, chrome os is not windows, (this bears repeating) chrome os is not windows.  None of your windows programs are going to run on a chrome book.  Chrome os is a linux derivitive, and it runs linux apps specifically written for chrome os.  Sure, you can wipe it, and install a full version of linux if you like, and in that case, all your standard linux apps will work just fine, but out of the box, no, there's nothing you can run on a chrome book to get it to talk and be usable for the visually impaired.  The only thing you can do is (as mentioned above) install a full linux release, which would then give you the capability of running orca, speakup, or some combination thereof.  I suppose if it's got enough muscle, you might be able to get a version of windows installed, but generally speaking, chrome books are lower end machines, that wouldn't handle windows on a good day, though linux will work just fine.  I've seen some converted chrome books running linux, and they do it quite well, even with the minimal resources.  I have not, however, tried running orca/speakup on any of these converted boxes, as they weren't mine, and I had no call to experiment.  I was seriously considering purchasing one though, to see if I could get talkback to work on it, though I've not made the attempt just yet.  Perhaps next year I'll be able to carry out this experiment, and if I do, rest assured, I'll certainly let everyone on this list (and others) know my results.



On 10/19/2016 10:59 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:
Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me. 




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NVDA And AVGVirus Scan

Anthony Bernard <par-avion@...>
 

I am using two computers.  On one the OS is Windows 7.  NVDA  2016.3 works fine although I using AVG As the anti-virus scanner.  On my other computer, my OS Is Windows 10.  On it I am still using NVDA 2013.  When I try to upgrade NVDA to 2016.3, AVG Blocks it.  Can you help me solve this problem?      

Anthony Bernard


Re: chromebooks and accessibility?

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

chrome books run (you guessed it, chrome os) Chrome os is not windows, chrome os is not windows, (this bears repeating) chrome os is not windows.  None of your windows programs are going to run on a chrome book.  Chrome os is a linux derivitive, and it runs linux apps specifically written for chrome os.  Sure, you can wipe it, and install a full version of linux if you like, and in that case, all your standard linux apps will work just fine, but out of the box, no, there's nothing you can run on a chrome book to get it to talk and be usable for the visually impaired.  The only thing you can do is (as mentioned above) install a full linux release, which would then give you the capability of running orca, speakup, or some combination thereof.  I suppose if it's got enough muscle, you might be able to get a version of windows installed, but generally speaking, chrome books are lower end machines, that wouldn't handle windows on a good day, though linux will work just fine.  I've seen some converted chrome books running linux, and they do it quite well, even with the minimal resources.  I have not, however, tried running orca/speakup on any of these converted boxes, as they weren't mine, and I had no call to experiment.  I was seriously considering purchasing one though, to see if I could get talkback to work on it, though I've not made the attempt just yet.  Perhaps next year I'll be able to carry out this experiment, and if I do, rest assured, I'll certainly let everyone on this list (and others) know my results.



On 10/19/2016 10:59 AM, ken lawrence via Groups.io wrote:
Hi list, ken here with a question.  posted this on the tech zone but got no reply.  saw an item in associated press yesterday about a new chromebook being released.  I know some things about chromebooks namely that they are a bare bones computer.  all they have on them is the browser and the media player.  the operating system is in the cloud this chromebook I saw released new only costs $199.  that seems like a good option for those on a budget.  the question is can NVDA or any screen reader run on a chromebook and are they generally accessibile for blind/visually impaired?  not sure if anyone on this list knows the answer to that.  it seems like for someone without a laptop this could be a good option for me. 




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Re: NVDA and Fractions

Kevin Huber
 

Hi Travis:

You are exactly right.
You have expressed it better than I ever could

Kevin Huber

On 10/19/16, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
heh, this whole the synthesizer knows better than you do has been an
ongoing argument for me with apple since around 2005. I still insist,
and insist most heartily that it's the screen reader's job to read the
screen, and it's the user's job to interpret what the read information
means. But, yet, synthesizer makers insist on putting anchronyms in the
text to speech so it pronounces things, even if they're not actually
there on the screen. I can't tell you how many hours of coding time
I've lost trying to figure why my source code was saying something, only
to find out later that what my synth was reading wasn't in the code at
all, but just some damned text expansion the synth maker put into the
text to speech output to make it more convinient for the user. Well,
let me tell you, it's not more convinient for me to hear the word volume
when the letters on the screen are v o l. And, it's certainly not
useful to hear something pronounced as saint ego soars when the word is
stegosaurus. You know, sometimes the letters s and t together don't
mean street or saint, and sometimes, an I and a V together don't
necessarily mean roman numeral four. Ok, I get it, they're trying to
make them more user friendly, but in my opinion, there's nothing more
friendly than a screen reader that reads the screen and leaves the
meaning of what it reads up to me to decide.



On 10/19/2016 10:51 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi:

I have found this to be a problem with several synthesizers such as
Microsoft Anna and others. For example, it is verry annoying to here
"ca" always being pronounced as "California" when I want it to be
pronounced as Canada. There are a number of others which I cannot
remember ofhand, but it seems that a number of speech synthesizers
have abrivations hardcoded into them and the only way to eliminate the
problem is to use another synthesizer. E-speak is a good alternative
if you can get used to its speech.
Kevin Huber





Re: NVDA and Fractions

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

heh, this whole the synthesizer knows better than you do has been an ongoing argument for me with apple since around 2005. I still insist, and insist most heartily that it's the screen reader's job to read the screen, and it's the user's job to interpret what the read information means. But, yet, synthesizer makers insist on putting anchronyms in the text to speech so it pronounces things, even if they're not actually there on the screen. I can't tell you how many hours of coding time I've lost trying to figure why my source code was saying something, only to find out later that what my synth was reading wasn't in the code at all, but just some damned text expansion the synth maker put into the text to speech output to make it more convinient for the user. Well, let me tell you, it's not more convinient for me to hear the word volume when the letters on the screen are v o l. And, it's certainly not useful to hear something pronounced as saint ego soars when the word is stegosaurus. You know, sometimes the letters s and t together don't mean street or saint, and sometimes, an I and a V together don't necessarily mean roman numeral four. Ok, I get it, they're trying to make them more user friendly, but in my opinion, there's nothing more friendly than a screen reader that reads the screen and leaves the meaning of what it reads up to me to decide.

On 10/19/2016 10:51 AM, Kevin Huber wrote:
Hi:

I have found this to be a problem with several synthesizers such as
Microsoft Anna and others. For example, it is verry annoying to here
"ca" always being pronounced as "California" when I want it to be
pronounced as Canada. There are a number of others which I cannot
remember ofhand, but it seems that a number of speech synthesizers
have abrivations hardcoded into them and the only way to eliminate the
problem is to use another synthesizer. E-speak is a good alternative
if you can get used to its speech.
Kevin Huber